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A42468 The churche[s] publick order argued and opened by a second confere[nce] betweene Silvanus and Himeneu[s] ... wherein the ordinances of the Church of Engla[nd for] Gods publick worship are proved to beagreeable to Gods sacred word / by L.G. [i.e. I.G.], a continuall friend and lover ofthe tr[uth]. J. G. 1643 (1643) Wing G33; ESTC R42041 23,389 47

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that first execution of Iustice aggravates and argues the fault of the people abundantly in making the Temple a Market-place Saint John saith John 2.15 our Lord made a scourge of small cords and drove them all out of the Temple and the Sheep and the Oxen and poured out the Changers money and overthrew their Tables and said unto them that sold Doves take these things hence make not my Fathers house a house of Merchandize Marke how exact and particular he is in every thing and how reverently he speakes of the materiall Temple and calls it his Fathers house and by Saint Matthew The Temple of the Lord And it is further to be noted that all the foure Evangelists testifie to this act of our Saviour which wrought so upon their affections that it is said And his Disciples remembred that it was written The zeale of thy house hath eaten me up John 2.17 Hym. I thanke you for this satisfaction for these passages of our Lord are very considerable in all the circumstances I pray let me heare your judgement also of the last question the worship it selfe both for matter and manner Sil. For the matter of Gods worship it is clearly set down in both the parts of it by our Lord himselfe to the Samaritan woman John 4.23 The houre commeth and now is when the true Worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth God is worshipped in ●irit and in truth when Gods Word is read and the tru●●nse and meaning opened and made knowne So Ezra the Scribe and the other Priests did truely worship God Ezra 8.8 The Text saith thus So they read in the book in the Law of God distinctly and gave the sense and caused them to understand the reading And Saint James preaching to the Church at Jerusalem saith For Moses of old time hath in every City them that preach him being read in the Synagogues every Sabbath day Acts 15.21 To this purpose speaks our Saviour of the Pharisees Matth. 15.9 But in vaine doe they worship me teaching for Doctrine the Commandments of men undenyably proving they had worshipped God truely if they had taught for Doctrines the Commandments of God Hymen It is cleare and proved plainly that Reading and preaching Gods Word are materiall parts of Gods worship but what are the rest Silv. Prayer and prayses are other parts of Gods publike worship to be performed in the Temple and especially Prayer and therefore all the rest are included in that denomination of prayer As the Lord saith It is written my house shall be called a house of prayer Matth. 21.13 Notwithstanding it was also the house of preaching and reading and praysing offering Incense and Sacrifice and of blessing God and the people And to prove prayses a part of Gods worship David is excellent Psal 149. Sing unto the Lord Sing unto the Lord a new song and his prayse in the Congregation of Saints And Psalme 150. Prasse yee the Lord And that 's not enough but he appoynts the place too Praise God in his Sanctuary yea his expressions are so full of excellent variety Psalme 100. Enter into his Gates with thankes-giving and into his Courts with prayse bee thankfull unto him and blesse his name And in another place My praise shall bee of thee in the great Congregation I will pay my vowes before them them that feare him Psalme 22.25 Yea this worship is so acceptable both in publike and in private that the Holy Ghost beareth witnesse that whosoever offereth praise glorifieth God Psal 50.22 Hym. The Scriptures thus consorting methinks makes a sweet harmony and excellent are these considerations from them but I pray proceed to shew the other parts of Gods publike worship Sil. Friend at this time I will speak onely of the Ordinance of the Lords Supper because the time will not permit me else to make you answer concerning the manner of these perticulars in their administrations Now the communion of the body of the Lord as the Apostle calls it is one of the parts of that dayes publick worship Acts 20.7 where he proves all that I have said in every particular to the office of administration to that hee himselfe was ordained as hee proves to Timothy 1 Tim. 2.7 whereunto saith he I am ordained a Preacher and an Apostle And because of the greatnesse and verity of the office he therefore speaks with the greater testimony saying I speake the truth in Christ and lye not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity And in the faithfull administration of the Gospell comming to Troas Verse 6. met together with the Disciples upon the first day of the week there is the time And the place is said to bee an upper chamber where they came together verse 8. And the matter of their worsh●●nd service is expressed to bee preaching and breaking of br●● and conference And that which is included is prayer 〈◊〉 giving of thanks for so the same Apostle doth prove to the Church of Corinth that our Lord did first institute the S●●●●ent with prayer 1 Cor. 11.23 saying the Lord Iesus the ●he night hee was betrayed took bread and when he had g●●●n thanks he brake it and sayd Take eate c. Yea praying and blessing at the Communion was this Apostles practice in this Church of Corinth as in all other Churches for so he testifieth himself in imitation to the first institution 1 Cor. 10.16 The cup of blessing which we blesse is it not the Communion of the bloud of Christ the bread which we break is it not the Communion of the body of Christ Hym. These are all cleared and manifested by plain Scripture I pray is not the manner of the administration of these particular Ordinances prescribed in the Scripture also Sil. As I have shewed before that I find no forme in the Scriptures for Ordination neither can I find any Rule prescribed for the time when to receive the Lords Supper nor the place where nor the manner how nor the particular kind of Wine nor bread of what graine nor who shall provide them ready nor the gesture of giving nor receiving and yet without these we cannot Communicate in them Hym. Some say there is a word for all these things an● urge it upon this Scripture Hebrewes 1.2 3. Wherefor● holy brethren partakers of the heavenly calling conside● the Apostle and high Priest of our profession Christ I●sus who was faithfull to him that appoynted him as al● Moses was faithfull in all his house Silv If there were a word in the Scripture they shoul● doe a good office to Gods people to shew them whe● they may finde them written I am sure there is no such thir● in those words you have read I know the bold audacio● Brownists and the ignorant seduced Annabaptists a● both as one enemy grossely falsifie and abuse wrong a● spoyle this holy testimony by affirming that Christ is m● perfect and exact in prescribing an outward forme for 〈◊〉 particulars in
Gods publick worship under the Gospell● Christians than Moses was under the Law to the Iewes 〈◊〉 making and ordering every particular according to 〈◊〉 perfect platforme and patterne which was shewed him 〈◊〉 the Mount Exodus 25.9 The Holy Ghost proves ind● that Moses was a faithfull servant of God to heare 〈◊〉 doe the Commandement the worke of the Sanctua● the Tabernacle and all the instruments and every ve●● from the least to the greatest even to every pinne th● of Exodus 27.19 And in this comparison Moses was fa● full in all his house that is to make the materiall or ea●ly Tabernacle that was but a shadow a representation 〈◊〉 figure of that spirituall heavenly true and everlas● Tabernacle which Christ made or built purchased and sanctified with his owne bloud wherein Christ our Lord was much more faithfull as a Sonne to make to redeem ●o blesse and save his owne house And the Apostle to the Hebrewes shewes what this house of the Sonne is saying whose house we are If wee hold fast the confidence and ●ejoycing of the hope firme unto the end Hebrewes 3.6 Marke how the Apostle excells in expressing this spirituall House as wee made a descrption in our first conference ●pon Saint Peters words Page 10. where the Apostle ●alls the building living stones and the house it selfe a spi●tuall house 1 Pet. 2.5 Hym. It appeares there is not any such thing in the Text as ●e Separatists 〈…〉 ●abaptists doe affirme from it for the out●ard Order and 〈◊〉 of the Church Silv. This mak● 〈◊〉 ●he Separatists bold and auda●ous because that like the ●otten-hearted Pharisees they ●stifie themselve● for a 〈◊〉 side of their owne fancy ●d so in word onely never 〈…〉 nor heard of in the Scrip●es and neglect the inwa●●grace the truth and pow● that whosoever hath not shall perish Luke 13. and ●ark 16 and 16. And notwithstanding our Saviours ●unsell is Make cleane the in-side and the out-side ●ll bee cleane also Matthew 23.26 And therefore I call 〈◊〉 Anabaptists ignorant and seduced because all this ●ile they have not learned the difference between that ●tizme the putting away the filth of the flesh which ●an may have and perish And that Baptisme the an●r of a good Conscience unto God that whosoever is ●tized with shall be saved the one being called the fi●e or outward figne the other the substance that saveth ●●ward grace 1 Pet. 3.21 which substance indeed is the pu●ifying the heart by Faith as before I shewed at our first Conference Page 8 9. And so speaketh the Apostle Paul clearly to the Galatians for you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Iesus for as many as have been Baptized into Christ have put on Christ Chapter 3.26 27. Hymen Doubtlesse these Scriptures must be thus understood I pray Sir informe me what ground the Church of England hath to prescribe a rule for the time and the rest that concernes the manner of Celebrating the Lords Supper Silv. But before I shew you that wee will take a brief● view how particular Moses was to give direction for every circumstance as well as for the substance in Circumcision and the Paschall Lambe And then consider what rules ou● Lord and his Apostles have given for Baptisme and th● Lords Supper which are significations and outward signe● of the same substance and grace under the Gospell as th● other were Ceremonies Types and Figures of the sam● heavenly truth under the Law Therefore the Apostl● Paul to the Collossians uses both the termes of Circumcisi● on and Baptisme expressing one and the same life an● grace in Christ in whom saith hee yee are Circumcise 〈◊〉 with the Circumcision made without hands in putting 〈◊〉 the body of the sinnes of the flesh by the Circumcisio● of Christ buried with him in Baptisme wherein also yo● are risen with him through the faith of the operation 〈◊〉 God c. Colos 2.11 12. Now Moses speaking of ● braham gives rules for Circumcision for the parties wh● shall be circumcised that is all the Males And the tim● when at eight dayes old Genesis 17.12 And the pla● or part of the body the fore-skin Verse 11. And th● parties who shall doe it Abraham the Father Verse 2● and Joshuah the Magistrate Jos 5.3 Also for the Passeover which was the same to the Jewes as the Lords Supper is to the Christians He appoynts the time the tenth day of the moneth and it shall be kept till the 14. day of the same moneth and then appoynts who shall kill it the whole Congregation and what time of the day the evening and who shall provide it that is every house and if the houshold bee too little then two Families shall joyne together he appoynts what it shall be for the kind of it that is a Lambe and not every Lambe but a Lambe without blemish and not Male or Female but Male onely and not of any age but a Lambe of a yeare old Also he prescribes the manner of dressing it not cut to pieces but whole his body with his Legges and with the purtenances thereof 〈◊〉 must not be boyled or baked but roasted with 〈◊〉 and yee shall eate the flesh in that night And hee prescribe the manner and gesture how they shall eate it saying thus shall you eate it with your Loynes girded your shooes on your feet and your staffe in your hand and you shall eate it in haste c. Exod. 12. ult For it is the Lords Passeover Hymen Moses hath beene very particular in Gods direction to Abraham concerning Circumcision and abundant in the Paschall Lambe for every Circumstance I pray shew me how the Scriptures in the new Testament give rules for the Celebration of Baptisme and the Lords Supper Silvan All the rule wee finde for Baptisme is in these words Goe yee therefore and teach all Nations Baptizing them in the Name of the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost Matth. 28.19 Here is a plaine direction for the forme of words that are to be used but none for the Action of the Baptizer nor for the gesture of the baptized so wee read the Eunuch went downe into the water but which part of the bodie Philip washed is not mentioned neither is there direction for the Sex nor the age neither for eight dayes nor eight yeares nor of time place nor of what sort of Water salt or fresh So for the Lords Supper the words in the Institution are these Iesus tooke bread and blessed it and brake it and gave to his Disciples and said Take eate this is my body And hee took the Cup and gave thanks and gave it to them saying Drinke yee all of it for this is my blond of the new Testament which is shed for many for the remission of sinnes Yet in all these words here is no commission for his Disciples as there is for Baptisme Yet Saint Paul saith hee hath received Commission from the Lord concerning the Lords Supper 1