honoure due to the cros may be sayd of anie other holy image Protestantes position 1. The images of holy personnes may not without idolatrie or other inconuenience be made placed in churches oratories or places of prayer 2. The images of holy personnes may not or ought not to be honored reuerenced or worshiped THE ELEVENTHE Controuersie Of Purgatorie Catholique position AFter this life there is a purgatorie or place where the soules of the faythfull departinge out of this world Ī the state of grace are detayned vntill they be wholly purged from all guilt and payne due vnto sinn Proofe 1. Hee that shall speake against the holy ghost it shall not be forgiuen him nether in this world nor in the world to come Hence it is manifest that some sinnes are forgiuen in the world to come not in heauen whither no sinner entereth nor in hell where there is no remission therfore in a third place which is Purgatorie S. Augustin aludinge to this place expresly sayth that some sinnes are remitted in the next world 2. Bee att agrement with thy aduersarie betymes whilest thou art in the way with him lest perhappes thy aduersarie deliuer thee to the iudg and the Iudge deliuer thee to the officers and thou be cast into prisone Amen I saye to thee thou shalt not goe from thence till thou repaye the last farthinge To these wordes S. Cyprian alludinge Sayth Another thinge it is for him that is in prison not to goe out til he hath payde the last farthinge another thinge presently to receaue rewarde of faythe and Vertue another thinge beinge by longe payne tormented to be clensed and purged by longe fire 3. The worke of eueire one shal be manifest for the day of our lorde will declare because it shal be reuealed in fire and the worke of euerie one of what kinde it is the fire shall trye Vf anie mans worke burae he shall suffer detriment but hee himselfe shal be saued yet soe as by fire S. Augustine Vnderstandeth this place of Purgatorie sayinge yf they did build vpon the foundation gold siluer and pretions stones they should be secure from both fyres not onely from that euerlasting which shall torment the impiouse eternally but also from that which shall amende them that shal be Saued by fire For it is sayd hee shal be safe yet soe as by fyer Catholique Positions The soules in Purgatorie are holpen by the prayers Sacrifices and other workes of pietie done for them by the faithfull liuinge in this world And therfore is it à good worke to praye for them Proofe Otherwise what sh. il they doe that are baptised for the dead yf the dead rise not agayne at all why also are they baptised for them By baptisme here is vnderstoode all corporall afflictione and chastisement vndertaken for the departed in like manner as it is vnderstoode by our sauiour when he say the with the baptisme wher with Iam Baptised shall yee be baptised 2. And Iudas makeinge a gatheringe he sent 12000. Drachmes of Siluer to Hierusalem for sacrifice to be offred for sinne well and religiouslye thinking of the resurrection for vnless he hoped that they that were slayne should rise agayne it should seeme super stuouse and vayne to pray for the dead it is therfore a holy and healthfull cogitation to pray for the dead that they may be loosed from sinnes For the iudgment of the churche in before S. Augustines tyme lett the industrius reader see the confessione of Chemnitius in his examen where he vndertaketh to dispute against S. Augustine and S. Chrisostome of purgatoire prayer for the dead Protestant position 1. After his life there is no purgatorie or place where the soules of the faithfull departed in the state of grace are purged ether from guilt or payn of sinn 2. The sowles in purgatorie are not holpen by the prayers and other workes of pietie done for them by the faithful liueinge in this worlde And therfore it is att least in vayne to pray for them THE XII CONTROuersie of the Sacraments Catholique position THere are seauen Sacramēts of the newe lawe properly so called That is seauen visible or sensible signes ordayned or instituted by our sauiour Christ wherby grace is giuen to those that worthely receaue thē The protestantes doe confess that Baptisme and the Eucharist are properly sacramentes therfore are wee onely to proue the other fiue Note that as nether baptisme nor the Eucharist are in any place of holy scripture called or said to be sacramentes and yet because they are visible or sensible signes and ceremonies giueing grace as the catholique churche beleeuethe or signifyinge the same as the protestās teache they haue euer in gods churche euen by the confession of our aduersaries beene truly called and esteemed sacramentes soe likewise all other externall and sensible signes or ceremonies proued by scriptures to haue the like effecte and haue beene called and esteemed of the auncient churche sacramentes ought also of the protestātes to be acknowledged for such nether are they to require any other proofe for the other sacraments then they are able to produce for these two And albeyt the protestantes confess with the Catholiques that Baptisme and the holy Eucharist are Properlie sacramentes yet doe they deny diuers thinges pertayninge to them which the Catholique churche tacheth which are therefore to be spoken of before we proceede to the proofe of the other sacramentes OF THE NECESSItie of Baptisme Catholique position It is necessary for euerie mans saluation that he be baptised Proofe A Men I say to thee vnless a man be borne agayne of water and the spirit the cannot enterinto the kingdome of god S. Augustine numbereth amongest other heresies of Pelagius this that he promised eternall bliss though without the kingdome of god to infantes without Baptisme Protestant position It is not necessarie for any mans saluation that he bee baptised OF THE CEREMOnies of Baptisme Catholique position THe exorcismes and other ceremonies vsed by the Catholique churche in Baptisme haue example in the holy scripture and are agreable there vnto Proofe And takeinge him from the multitude apart he put his fingers into his eares and spitting touched his tounge And lookeinge vp to heauen he groaned and sayd to him ephpheta which is he thou opened Sainct Ambros testifiethe these ceremonies to haue bine vsed in his tyme. Protestant position The exorcismes and other ceremonies vsed by the churche in Baptisme are disagreable to holy scripture OF THE HOLY EVchariste or most blessed Sacrament of the Aulter Catholique Positions IN the holy Eucharist the true body and blood of our sauiour Christ is truly really and substantially and not in figure only Proofe Take yee and eate This is my body Drinke yee all of this For this is my blood of the newe testamēt which shal be shed for many vnto remission of sinnes Agayne This is my
body which is giuen for you This is the chalice the newe testament in my blood which shall be shed for you and yet agayne Our lord Iesus in the night that he was betrayed tooke breade And giuinge thankes brake sayd Take yee eate This is my body which shall be deliuered for you this doe yee for commemoration of me In like manner also the chalice after he had supped sayinge this chalice is the newe testament in my blood this doe yee as often as ye shall drinke for the commemoration of me Note that these wordes this is my body beinge vnderstoode as they sounde there can be no more controuersie about this poynt And that they are to be vnderstoode as they sounde and without all figure may be conuinced in this sorte There can nether reason nor aucthoritie be alledged why anie other wordes of holy scripture are to be vnderstoode as they sounde and namely these wordes which are most like them This is my welbeloued sonne which doth not proue the same of these wherof we now speake Therfore without all sense reason merely of hereticall wilfulness is a figure sought in these Wordes more then in any other and namely in these I haue mentioned But here I inteÌ„d not any further dispute OF TRANSVBST ANtiation Catholique position THe worde TransubstaÌ„tiation is not founde expressly in holy scripture as likewise is not coÌ„substantiall but as the Catholique churche did euer beleeue the equalitie of power vnitie of substance in the Father and the sonne and by the assistance of the holy ghost the spirit of truthe which teacheth her all truthe did express her beleefe in that point by the worde consubstantiall in the holy councell of Nice so like wise haueinge euer beleeued the true reall presence of Christes body in the most holy eucharist by the change of the bread into the same body did beinge assisted by the same neuer fay linge spirit of truthe in the holy councel of Lateran first and since in diuerse others express her beleif in that poynt by the worde transubstantiation as most fitly declaringe the veritie of that most holy mystery Nether can the protestantes produce anie thing against transubstantiation which they themselues are not bounde to solue and answere the Arriannes obiectinge the very like against that of consubstantiall That the doctrin of traÌ„substaÌ„tion is not newe Adamus Francisci a learned protestant with others confesseth in these words The fiction of transubstantiation crep into the churche betimes And this shall suffice for this pointe till occasion be giuen of a larger discours OF ADORING THE holy Eucharist Catholique Positions OVr Sauioure Christ beinge noe less truly present in the holy Eucharist theÌ„ he was in the stable in Bethelem or vpon the cross he is noe less to be adored of all faithful christians in the sacrament then he was there or then beinge in the forme of a gardiner he was of S. Marie Magdalein Proofe Adore yee him all his Angells which wordes S. Paule hebrwes cap. 1. vnderstaÌ„deth of the adoâ—ation of Christ in his humanitié Adore yee the footstoole of his feete By which footstoole S. Augustine vnderstandeth the fleshe or bodie of our sauiour Christ and saith Because he walked here in fleshe and gaue the same fleshe to vs to be eaten for our Saluation and no man eateth that fleshe vnless he first adore it it is fouÌ„de howe the footstoole of our lord is adored Certes he that acknowledgeth our sauiour Christ truly present in the B. Sacrament and yet thinketh him not worthie of Adoration is more sensless and vnthankfull then that vngratfull kaytiff that seeinge his grations soueraigne coÌ„ming to visit him in his vile cottage should thinke him less honorable for suche exceeding grace and fauoure Protestantes positions In the holy Eucharist the true body and blood of our sauiouâ— Christ is not truly really anâ— substantially but in figure only 2 The body of Christ is not iâ— the Eucharist by transubstantiatione 3 He ys not to be adored in the Eucharist OF COMMVNION vnder one kinde Catholique positions 1. IT is no where forbidden iâ— holy scripture to minister the holy communion to lay personnes vnder one Kinde onely This Positione is clear no such prohibitione appearing in the scripture And yf the ProtestaÌ„tes growndes of beleeuinge nothinge but what is proued by scripture were true would sufficiently warrant the practise of the Roman churche in this poynt But â—urther It is no where commaunded â— holy scripture to giue the holy â—ommunion vnder both kindes â—o the laye people This Posision ys also cleare no such commaundement anie where appearinge For that which is sayd doe â—his for remembrance of me is spokeÌ„ onely of the kinde of bread and therfore doth well prouue the contraire S. Paule in deed â—ddeth it to both kindes therby also declaringe this holy mysterie taken ether under both or one kinde to be a memoriall of Christ and his passione and therfore doth rather proue the Catholique Roman practice then anie waye disproue yt Thoughe these wordes doe rather giue power and auctoritie to the Apostles priestes to consecrate and offer the vnbloody sacrifice here instituted and offered by our sauiouâ— Christ then import anie commaundement of ministringe thâ— same to the laye people vndeâ— both kindes And this shal appeare more euidently by thaâ— which followeth Catholique position The Catholique Roman churche doth not anie wronge or iniurie to the lay people ministringe vnto them the holy Eucharist vnder one kinde onely They receauinge the same benefit by one that they should do by bothe christs bodie blood beinge whole in eache Proofe He that saythe vnless you eate the fleshe of the sonn of man and drinke his bloode you shall not haue life in you saithe also He that eatethe me the same also shall liue by me And agayne he that eateth of this bread shall liue foreuer And he that sayth he that eateeth my flesh and drinketh my blood abideth in me and I in him The same also sayth the bread that I wil giue is my fleshe forthe life of the wolrde And he that sayth he that eateth my fleshe and drinketh my blood hath life euerlastinge The same sayth he that eateth this bread shall liue for euer All these are the sayinges of our sauiour Christ in on the same hapter of S. Ihon where if we say with most Catholique Docteurs that he speaketh of the holy Sacrament Sacramentally receaued it is manifest that he ascribeth the same effect and vertu to one kinde that he doth to both And therfore can they haue noe wroÌ„ge done them that for most iust causes haue it ministered vnder one kinde onely But yf we saye with the Protestantes that here is no speache of sacrameÌ„tall eatinge of Christ his body theÌ„ is there noe difficultie in theyr cheest argument which is grounde vpon the first wordes alleadge in this proof 2. The were perseueringe
in the doctrinâ— of the Apostles and in the communication of the breakeing of bread praiâ— Loe here communion vnder onâ— kinde For this breakinge oâ— bread was the ministringe of thâ— holy sacrament Agayne And the first of the Sabothe whâ— we were assembled to breakâ— breadâ— This S. Augustine vnderstand etâ— of breakinge bread as in the SacrameÌ„t of Christ his body so that it appearethe the practice of the Apostles to minister the Sacrament to the people in one kinde onely Protestant Position 1 It is forbidden in holy Scripture to giue the holy communion to the lay people vnder one kinde onely 2 It is commaunded in holy Scripture to giue the holy coÌ„munion to the lay people vnder both Kindes The lay people haue wronge done them in that they are a bridged of the Sacrament vnder both Kindes therby receauinge less benefit then yf they receaued it vnder bothe OF THE SACRIFICE of the Mass Catholique Position THere is in the newe lawe a Sacrifice truly and properly so called to wit the holy mass wherin is offered the body and blood of Christ Proofe 1. Our Sauiour Christ gaue Power and commaundement to his Apostles and all Preistes to doe that which he did in his last supper Sayinge doe this for commemoration of me But our sauiour Christ in his last supper sacrificed his body and blood vnder the formes of bread and wine therfore the Apostles and all preistes haue now power and commaundement to offer the same sacrifice which is not done but in the holy Mass That our sauiour Christ sacrificed in his last supper is proued thus Christ was and is for euer to the ende of the world a preist accordinge to the order of Melchisedeche whose priesthood coÌ„sisted in offering bread wine Melchisedech kinge of Salem bringing forth bread and wine for he was the Preist of god most highe therfore it is euident tha tour Sauiour was to offer some tyme in the same forme which he neuer did but in his last supper where though he offered his body and blood sayinge this is my body wich shal be giuen for you this is my blood which shal be shed for you yet did he performe this vnder the forme of bread and wine accordinge to the rite or vse of Melchisedeche his sacrifice 2. I haue no will in you sayth the lorde of hostes and gift I will not receaue of your hand For from the riseinge of the sunne euen to the goeinge downe great is my name amonge the gentiles and in euerie place there is sacrificinge there is offered to my name a cleane oblation This prophecie is not fulfilled but by the sacrifice of the mass This is the sacrifice sayth S. Augustine by the Preisthoode of Christ accordinge to the order of Melchisedech seeinge we now see it to be offered to god in all places from the riseinge of the sunn vnto the settinge therof And many other fathers in like sorte whose wordes we canot here rehearse studyinge to be breif But for the Doctrine of the most auncient fathers in this point I will taKe the confessione of Caluin Saiynge thus It is an vsuall thinge with these knaues soe modest is this newe Apostles to rake together whatsoeuer ys vitiouse in the fathers Therfore when they obiect the place of malachi to be expouÌ„ded by Ireneus of the sacrifice of the Masse The offeringe of Melchisedech to be see handled of Athanasius Ambros Augustin Arnobius it is breifly answered the same writers else where to interpret also bread the body of Christ but so ridiculusly that reason and truth causeth vs to dissent Thus M. Caluin but whether he be not ridiculus rather then these fathers lett the indiffrent reader iudge Protestantes Position In the newe lawe is there not anie sacrifice truly and properly nether is the mass à sacrifice of the body and bloode of our sauiour Christ OF CONFIRMAtion Catholique position COnfirmatioÌ„ as it is practised in the Catholique Roman churche is truly and properly a Sacrament of the newe lawe Proofe It is a sensible signe giueinge grace therfore a Sacrament Then did they impose theyr handes vpon them and they receaued the holy ghost wherof sayth S. Cyprian They that in Samaria were baptised of Philip because they had lawfull and Ecclesiasticall baptisme ought not to be baptisedanie more But onely that which waÌ„ted was done by Peter and Iohn to witt that by prayers made for them impositione of handes the holy ghost might be powred vpon them which now also is done with vs. that they which in the churche are baptised by the rulers of the churche offered and by our prayers and imposition of handes receaue the holy ghost and be signed with our lordes seale Agayne It is to little purpose to impose handes vpon theÌ„ to receaue the holy ghost vnless they receaue the churches baptisme For then may they be fully sanctified and be the Children of God if they be born by bothe Sacramentes And S. Augustine the Sacrament of Chrisme in the kinde of visible seales is sacred and holy euen as Baptisme it self Protestant Position Confirmation as it is practised in the RomaÌ„ churche is not truly properly a Sacrament of the newe lawe Of Pennance Catholique Positions 1. Pennance consisting of contrition confession and satisfaction of the penitent and absolution of the preist is truly and properly a Sacrament of the newe lawe Proofe It is a visible signe or ceremonie as appearthe by the confession of the penitent and absolution of the preist it remitte the synnes therfore giueth grace Receaue you the holy ghost whose sinnes you shall forgiue they are forgiuen them And whose sinnes you shall retaine thei are retained Of this power of remittinge synnes S. Chrisostome saythe thus For they that dwell one the earthe that conuers in it to them is coÌ„mission giuen to dispense those thinges that are in heauen to them is it giuen to haue the power which god would not to be giuen nether to Angells nor Archangells For nether to them was it sayd what soeuer you shall bynde in earthe shall be bound in heauen and whatsoeuer you shale lose in earth shall belosed in heaueÌ„ The earthly Princes in deede haue also powre to binde but the bodies onely but that bonde of preistes which I speake of toucheth the veâ—â— sâ—ule it self reacheth euen to the heauenes in so much that whatsoeuer tâ—â— preistes shall doe be neathe the self saâ—â— god doth ratifie aboue and the sentence 〈◊〉 the seruantes the lord doth confirme Fâ—â— in deed what ells is this theÌ„ that the power of all heauenly thinges is graunted them of god whose sinnes soeuer saith he you shall retaine thei are retaineâ— what power I beseeche you can be greater then this Haueinge thus proued the power of preistes to remit synnes And the protestantes confessingâ— contrition which they call repentance it remaynethe that I proue the other two