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A93655 The opening of Master Prynnes new book, called A vindication: or, light breaking out from a cloud of differences, or late controversies. Wherein are inferences upon the Vindication, and antiqueres to the queres; and by that, the way a little cleared to a further discovery of truth in a church-order, by a conference or discourse. / By John Saltmarsh, preacher at Brasteed in Kent. Published according to order. Saltmarsh, John, d. 1647. 1645 (1645) Wing S493; Thomason E305_22; ESTC R200328 25,183 50

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in the power of it and so when from Prelacy they went off to Presbytery Prelacy fell and so on If you make any remove from the common principles of this Presbytery into any of the way or parts of the Separation your Presbytery will down too because it takes in some purer principles then as we may gather from the Vindication Book it will well bear P. But if these be then the common Principles of this Presbyteriall way as he would have it to communicate in Ordinances thus mixedly and to suspect no uncleannesse in any spiritual Communion from persons so communicating though of never so unreformed a life excepting onely some pretended formall flashy apparences of Faith and Repentance put on and off by the Communicants as occasion serves I shall have I think no such good thoughts as I had of that way C. But the grounds are yet further laid down in the Book that unmixt Communions and suspending from the Sacrament are grounds of Schism and that the teaching of these formerly through ignorance or incogitancy are now to be taught and written and preached against P. I perceive then in a word That the main thing the Vindication-Book drives at is to place Presbytery upon such a mixed uniformity in the partaking of Ordinances that there should be no act of suspension or separation practised in their Church lest the ground of separation get in and they that make conscience to separate or suspend in some particulars it implies they may go on to a further separation till upon more degrees of purity in communicating they go off from all kinde of mixt communicatings in the constituting as well Churches as Ordinances and Administrations and so at length become either Congregationall or of the other way But many of us took such of the Presbyteriall way as writ and taught for a pure Reformation in partaking of Ordinances for the better according to their light And it seems they are but novices as we may gather from the Vindication-Book and are ignorant of his Presbyteriall secret or mystery of uniformity and unmixt communicating according to the grounds there Well I am yet of the purer side I like not this mystery if the way to keep out Schism be of such a kinde as draws with it an unavoidable necessity of partaking with all sorts of sinners except onely for some present affected passions of Faith and Repentance and a Toleration of all sorts of that kinde except by excommunication where in some places whole Parishes and almost in all Parishes many must stand either excommunicated by the Classis or Presbytery or Reformed which is impossible or as frequent partakers of Ordinances spiritual fellowship as the best and purest which is intolerable C. Indeed I am glad you come off so well already I will not meddle with the present state of some of these first particulars in difference I named to you but leave them to the Authors but come to some of the more questionable For that Controversie betwixt the Brethren which is Whether Judas received or not I know there are divers Leaves of Paper writ upon it in the Vindication and many learned men are quoted and Scriptures brought in on both sides and harmoniously compared but since the Lord left it so disputable as some imagine we must not do in such doubtfull sayings as those Disciples did who because Christ said of John If I will that he tarry till I come what is that to thee and it was reported amongst the Disciples that that Disciple should not die though Christ said not he should not die but onely what if I will that he tarry So if the Lord hath not clearly said that Judas was there why goeth it so amongst the Disciples as if he were there without all contradiction but if he were and Christ gave it to Judas as for my part I make it not any such ground though he and all others do because it will not be clear then that he gave it to Judas as a wicked man or a formall Disciple for I know Christ administred then as an outward Dispenser to the Church or chief Pastour and in his Body unglorified whereby he kept close to the analogy of visible Administration of Ordinances and in President and Precept for the future to his Churches for all ages and so all their puzling may be at an end I will now acquaint you further with some Arguments or Inferences from the Vindication which I have to strengthen you Vindication Fol. 36. THat no Minister not knowing the present change or inclination of the heart of any or whether God by this very duty may not really convert him ought to administer the Sacrament Inference Whence we may infer That all sorts of sinners never so prophane and abominable yet upon any present affected counterfeited formall pretence of Faith and Repentance ought to partake in all things of the most spiritual nature and fellowship and withall of the most spiritual and sincere profession contrary to these Scriptures 1 Pet. 2. 9. 2 Cor. 6. 14 15 16 17 18. Isai. 52. 11. Gal. 5. 9. Vindication Fol. 37. The Brethrens Reason That in the Sacrament there is a neerer application of the Word and Promises in particular of the right and interest in them more then in the Word preached which the Vindication saith is just like the late Archbishops of Canterburies doctrine for bowing at the Altar as Gods great place of presence Inference Whence we may infer That the Vindication doth very uncharitably compare Doctrines and Principles viz. his Brethrens with those of Prelacy and his Brethren with the grossest of Prelats and their Principles of spiritual Administration and Communion with those of a most Idolatrous and external nature which is contrary to these Scriptures Jam. 4. 12. Matth. 7. 1 3 c. 1 Pet. 3. 8. Vindication Fol. 37. That the Minister administring the Sacrament to any known impenitent sinners yet under the notion of penitent and repenting sinners for that time discharges himself Inference Whence we may infer That a Minister ought to comply with the Hypocrisies pretences compliances forms of any notorious scandalous or impenitent sinner at that time onely in the apparition or resemblance of a Saint and a Woolf in Sheeps clothing contrary to these Scriptures 1 Tim. 5. 21 22. Matth. 15. 26. 2 Tim. 3. 5. 1 Thes. 5. 22. 1 Cor. 6. 16. Vindication Fol. 37 38. That the words of Institution in the Sacrament The Body of Christ which was broken and the Blood of Christ shed for you is not of any divine Institution but humane onely though warrantably practised Inference Whence we may infer That he in affirming the Institution to be onely humane and yet Warrantable is not onely an impeaching of their worship of God in the highest and most spiritual Admirations of Will-worship and humane invention and want of conformity to the Rule or Word but even a flat contradiction in a Scripture sense because he addes