Selected quad for the lemma: body_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
body_n	blood_n	break_v	shed_v	10,145	5	9.7147	5	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A15057	An ansvvere to the Ten reasons of Edmund Campian the Iesuit in confidence wherof he offered disputation to the ministers of the Church of England, in the controuersie of faith. Whereunto is added in briefe marginall notes, the summe of the defence of those reasons by Iohn Duræus the Scot, being a priest and a Iesuit, with a reply vnto it. Written first in the Latine tongue by the reuerend and faithfull seruant of Christ and his Church, William Whitakers, Doctor in Diuinitie, and the Kings Professor and publike reader of Diuinitie in the Vniuersitie of Cambridge. And now faithfully translated for the benefit of the vnlearned (at the appointment and desire of some in authoritie) into the English tongue; by Richard Stocke, preacher in London. ...; Ad Rationes decem Edmundi Campiani Jesuitæ responsio. English	Whitaker, William, 1548-1595.; Campion, Edmund, Saint, 1540-1581. Rationes decem. English.; Stock, Richard, 1569?-1626.; Whitaker, William, 1548-1595. Responsionis ad Decem illas rationes.; Durie, John, d. 1587. Confutatio responsionis Gulielmi Whitakeri ad Rationes decem. Selections.	1606 (1606)	STC 25360; ESTC S119870	383,859	364

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prepare_v and_o offer_v to_o all_o the_o godly_a but_o those_o heavenly_a and_o holy_a banquet_n whereby_o our_o soul_n be_v nourish_v up_o to_o eternal_a life_n you_o make_v profane_a and_o common_a when_o you_o imagine_v that_o christ_n may_v be_v receive_v and_o eat_v like_o other_o meat_n aswell_o of_o the_o bread_n the_o dur_fw-la not_o we_o but_o the_o scripture_n the_o father_n and_o reason_n itself_o do_v affirm_v it_o but_o special_o s._n paul_n 1._o cor._n 11.27_o whosoever_o eat_v this_o bread_n whit._n pag_n 195._o none_o of_o these_o affirm_v it_o and_o least_o of_o all_o s._n paul_n for_o he_o say_v not_o whosoever_o eat_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n but_o whosoever_o eat_v this_o bread_n wicked_a as_o of_o the_o most_o devout_a man_n in_o the_o world_n which_o be_v a_o horrible_a opinion_n senseless_a and_o unsound_a for_o that_o you_o add_v of_o flesh_n body_n and_o blood_n i_o confess_v for_o be_v the_o sacrament_n of_o these_o thing_n they_o have_v their_o name_n 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his_o blood_n whit._n pag._n 202._o it_o will_v well_o follow_v from_o this_o that_o christ_n must_v have_v in_o the_o new_a testament_n a_o true_a body_n &_o true_a blood_n but_o it_o can_v be_v enforce_v hereupon_o that_o it_o must_v be_v make_v of_o bread_n &_o wine_n as_o if_o because_o their_o sacrament_n be_v figure_n therefore_o we_o must_v be_v transubstantiate_v into_o the_o thing_n themselves_o then_o will_v it_o follow_v that_o because_o the_o flood_n the_o ●edsea_n &_o the_o cloud_n be_v type_n of_o our_o baptism_n therefore_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v a_o figure_n or_o a_o sign_n but_o be_v turn_v into_o th●_n very_a blood_n of_o christ_n tertullian_n say_v marc._n tertul._n lib._n 4_o contra_fw-la marc._n christ_n profess_v his_o desire_n to_o eat_v the_o pass●over_n as_o his_o own_o and_o have_v take_v bread_n and_o distribute_v it_o to_o his_o disciple_n he_o make_v it_o his_o body_n by_o say_v this_o be_v my_o body_n that_o be_v the_o figure_n or_o sign_n of_o my_o body_n you_o acknowledge_v both_o tertullians_n word_n and_o his_o meaning_n christ_n meaning_n dur_fw-fr augustine_n signify_v the_o sacrament_n by_o the_o name_n of_o figure_n whit_n pag_n 204._o it_o be_v true_a christ_n give_v the_o sacrament_n to_o his_o disciple_n but_o augustine_n use_v not_o the_o word_n sacrament_n but_o figure_n to_o show_v that_o as_o no_o figure_n or_o sign_n be_v the_o thing_n whereof_o it_o be_v a_o fi_fw-la u●e_v so_o the_o bread_n be_v not_o proper_o the_o body_n nor_o the_o w●ne_a the_o blood_n of_o christ_n augustine_n say_v 3._o august_n in_o psal_n 3._o christ_n admit_v judas_n to_o that_o banquet_n in_o which_o he_o commend_v to_o his_o disciple_n the_o figure_n of_o his_o body_n and_o blood_n in_o another_o place_n also_o it_o also_o dur_fw-fr augustine_n dispute_v in_o this_o p●ace_n against_o the_o manichee_n carp_a at_o moses_n word_n the_o blood_n be_v the_o soul_n of_o the_o beast_n and_o say_v it_o be_v so_o speak_v as_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n be_v call_v his_o body_n the_o blood_n be_v call_v the_o soul_n because_o it_o be_v as_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o soul_n which_o lie_v hide_v in_o the_o blood_n as_o the_o sacramet_n be_v the_o sign_n of_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n which_o be_v contain_v in_o it_o wh_o t_o pag._n 206._o nay_o i_o infer_v the_o contrary_a as_o the_o soul_n be_v not_o the_o blood_n when_o it_o be_v o●●_n of_o the_o vein_n &_o may_v be_v eat_v so_o christ_n be_v not_o in_o the_o sacrament_n and_o as_o the_o blood_n be_v the_o sign_n of_o the_o soul_n which_o be_v not_o in_o it_o so_o be_v the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o body_n which_o be_v not_o contain_v in_o it_o the_o lord_n very_o doubt_v not_o to_o speak_v thus_o 12._o contra._n adimant_n cap._n 12._o this_o be_v my_o body_n when_o he_o give_v the_o sign_n of_o his_o body_n and_o that_o you_o may_v understand_v that_o this_o be_v augustine_n perpetual_a tenor_n in_o interpret_n of_o these_o word_n and_o that_o he_o determine_v far_o diverse_a to_o you_o touch_v the_o eat_n of_o christ_n flesh_n hear_v what_o he_o say_v in_o his_o book_n of_o christian_a instruction_n where_o he_o give_v diverse_a precept_n for_o the_o understanding_n of_o the_o phrase_n of_o the_o scripture_n if_o say_v he_o any_o sentence_n there_o seem_v to_o command_v any_o impious_a act_n 16._o de_fw-fr doctr_n christ._n lib._n 3._o cap._n 16._o or_o to_o forbid_v any_o duty_n tend_v to_o the_o profit_n or_o good_a of_o other_o it_o be_v a_o figurative_a speech_n unless_o say_v christ_n you_o eat_v the_o flesh_n of_o the_o son_n of_o man_n and_o drink_v his_o blood_n you_o have_v no_o life_n in_o you_o it_o seem_v to_o enjoin_v a_o bear_v a_o dur_fw-fr augustine_n do_v not_o think_v that_o it_o be_v a_o heinous_a thing_n to_o eat_v the_o flesh_n of_o christ_n but_o to_o cate_z 〈◊〉_d as_o the_o capernite_v think_v that_o be_v tear_v and_o rend_v in_o piece_n whit._n pag._n 209._o you_o answer_v somewhat_o as_o touch_v the_o fact_n but_o nothing_o for_o the_o figure_n but_o augustine_n say_v there_o be_v a_o figure_n which_o can_v be_v if_o the_o flesh_n of_o christ_n be_v either_o eat_v as_o you_o say_v whole_a or_o chop_v in_o piece_n as_o the_o capernite_v affirm_v and_o if_o it_o be_v a_o horrible_a fact_n to_o eat_v the_o small_a part_n of_o christ_n bo●ie_n be_v it_o not_o a_o more_o beastly_a &_o bloody_a thing_n to_o devour_v the_o whole_a body_n of_o christ_n at_o one_o mor●el●_n dur_fw-la it_o be_v no_o more_o heinous_a for_o a_o christian_n to_o eat_v the_o flesh_n of_o christ_n whole_a than_o it_o be_v for_o the_o bless_a virgin_n to_o conceive_v &_o to_o nourish_v it_o in_o her_o womb_n whit._n pag._n 211._o what_o be_v this_o

in_o corner_n that_o christ_n be_v reproach_v when_o we_o say_v he_o be_v torment_v with_o so_o great_a grief_n of_o mind_n but_o it_o be_v so_o far_o off_o campian_n that_o i_o do_v either_o deny_v or_o dissemble_v those_o thing_n which_o you_o now_o object_n that_o i_o do_v teach_v and_o avow_v they_o open_o and_o free_o and_o though_o the_o whole_a nation_n of_o jesuit_n shall_v set_v upon_o i_o yet_o i_o will_v never_o be_v ashamed_a to_o celebrate_v christ_n mercy_n which_o i_o see_v to_o be_v violate_v by_o they_o with_o unspeakable_a injury_n for_o what_o think_v you_o be_v it_o that_o christ_n feel_v which_o bring_v so_o great_a sadness_n and_o vexation_n to_o he_o that_o it_o wring_v from_o he_o a_o bloody_a sweat_n be_v it_o only_o death_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o take_v away_o life_n and_o sense_n do_v you_o think_v that_o christ_n can_v be_v break_v so_o with_o the_o fear_n of_o that_o death_n that_o he_o shall_v conceive_v so_o much_o grief_n in_o his_o mind_n to_o make_v he_o sweat_v water_n and_o blood_n for_o the_o desire_n he_o have_v to_o escape_v taste_v of_o that_o cup_n which_o he_o come_v to_o drink_v of_o do_v christ_n so_o much_o abhor_v this_o death_n which_o the_o martyr_n have_v go_v unto_o joyful_a and_o cheerful_a that_o be_v indeed_o to_o cast_v a_o great_a reproach_n upon_o christ_n while_o you_o will_v avoid_v the_o lesser_a wherefore_o that_o which_o raise_v so_o great_a horror_n in_o christ_n be_v the_o most_o bitter_a wrath_n of_o god_n against_o mankind_n which_o christ_n must_v needs_o have_v suffer_v for_o a_o time_n for_o the_o whole_a weight_n of_o our_o sin_n be_v impose_v upon_o christ_n which_o bring_v with_o it_o a_o most_o heavy_a remembrance_n of_o god_n wrath_n see_v therefore_o christ_n our_o mediator_n be_v lade_v with_o our_o sin_n do_v suffer_v the_o greatness_n of_o god_n displeasure_n and_o do_v alone_o endure_v the_o punishment_n of_o our_o sin_n certain_o he_o do_v quake_v as_o man_n and_o 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for_o our_o sin_n christ_n interpose_v himself_o and_o he_o alone_o undergo_v the_o greatness_n of_o that_o wrath_n pour_v upon_o he_o he_o therefore_o that_o say_v christ_n feel_v nothing_o diminish_v the_o greatness_n of_o sin_n the_o justice_n of_o god_n and_o the_o merit_n of_o christ_n i_o hat_n he_o be_v not_o swallow_v up_o of_o those_o torment_n it_o must_v be_v impute_v to_o the_o power_n of_o his_o divine_a nature_n dur_fw-la but_o how_o can_v he_o think_v himself_o forsake_v of_o god_n who_o offer_v himself_o whole_o to_o god_n whit._n pag._n 559._o if_o be_v do_v nor_o feel_v this_o defection_n why_o do_v he_o say_v vain_o and_o rash_o that_o he_o be_v forsake_v he_o o●●ed_v himself_o by_o his_o eternal_a spirit_n that_o be_v his_o divinity_n hebr._n 9.14_o therefore_o this_o freewill_n offer_v do_v not_o hinder_v but_o that_o he_o may_v feel_v in_o his_o mind_n those_o sorrow_n which_o man_n shall_v have_v suffer_v this_o be_v that_o hell_n of_o which_o christ_n while_o 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any_o do_v deny_v to_o be_v good_a and_o holy_a he_o may_v well_o be_v hold_v blasphemous_a against_o the_o holy_a ghost_n as_o for_o that_o you_o both_o fain_o that_o we_o speak_v these_o thing_n and_o also_o express_v for_o what_o cause_n we_o speak_v they_o you_o bewray_v your_o wonderful_a wisdom_n which_o for_o those_o thing_n that_o be_v not_o at_o all_o can_v set_v down_o a_o reason_n wherefore_o they_o be_v but_o we_o do_v willing_o preach_v faith_n and_o do_v easy_o permit_v it_o to_o be_v contemn_v of_o you_o for_o you_o that_o defend_v nature_n against_o grace_n and_o do_v trust_v rather_o to_o your_o own_o power_n than_o to_o christ_n mercy_n and_o do_v make_v void_a the_o promise_n by_o precept_n can_v have_v a_o honourable_a opinion_n of_o faith_n you_o never_o keep_v your_o stand_n sinne._n of_o sinne._n campian_n and_o you_o begin_v the_o battle_n like_o a_o runaway_n for_o you_o have_v a_o wander_a and_o unstable_a wit_n as_o it_o seem_v you_o oppose_v illyricus_n to_o 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