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A61213 The unreasonableness of the Romanists, requiring our communion with present Romish church, or, A discourse drawn from the perplexity and uncertainty of the principles, and from the contradictions betwixt the prayers and doctrine of the present Romish church to prove that 'tis unreasonable to require us to joyn in commmunion with it. Squire, William, d. 1677. 1670 (1670) Wing S5102; ESTC R15456 70,903 210

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