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A20949 The Iesuites shifts, and euasions; or, his deportment in controuersies of religion. Or, A treatise, wherein the causes are examined why Mr. Arnoux the Iesuite, refuseth to answere to seauenteene questions propounded by the ministers of the church of Paris Wherein also the treatise of fiue euasions which he hath added to the examination of our confession, is likewise examined and answered: by Peter Du Moulin.; Fuites et évasions du Sieur Arnoux. English Du Moulin, Pierre, 1568-1658. 1624 (1624) STC 7328; ESTC S111074 27,667 44

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hee wanteth common sense to content himselfe to learne the beliefe of his aduersaries by their enemies inuectiues or by popular report rather than by their owne confession Whereby it happeneth that all the disputation is a manner of skirmishing in the ayre which striketh no man and a fantasie of an imaginary controuersie forged to storme or bestirre themselues against But this is the manner which at this day they vse with vs for they that preach or write against vs make vs as blacke as Pitch with slanders and forge another confession for vs. When wee reade our Aduersaries writings wee might imagine that they write against another Religion than ours if we saw not our names at the beginning of their Bookes and in the titles of the Chapters And what protestations soeuer wee make that we beleeue nothing that they make vs to say yet they are resolute and will perswade vs that wee doe beleeue it Master Arnoux Booke written against our confession iustifieth the same which in stead of refuting our confession changeth it in such manner that fighting against his owne inuentions his quarrell is against himselfe Whereupon I am forced in a briefe Table to set downe what kinde of confession of the faith our Aduersaries attribute vnto vs and how they paint out our confession like a horrible Monster which they shew vnto the people to get money thereby Peter Cotton the Iesuite made a Booke intituled Catholique Institution at the beginning whereof hee hath made a Preface to those of the pretended reformed Church wherein hee comprehendeth all our beliefe in 28. Articles which are these that follow 1 THat the Children of Christians may be saued onely by the faith of their Parents without baptisme and therefore that baptisme is not absolutely necessary 2 That the Bread in the Supper of our Lord is onely the figure of the Body of Iesus Christ 3 That the Church may erre 4 That we must not allow of any traditions 5 That Angels and Saints which are in glory know not our necessities and cannot heare our prayers 6 That Priests and religious persons may breake their vowes 7 That single life is not to bee preferred before marriage 8 That the Bookes of Macabees Wisdome Ecclesiasticus Tobias the rest of Daniel and Baruc are Apocripha 9 That the Soule of the Sonne of God did not descend into Hell to fetch the soules of the holy Fathers from thence which there stayed for his comming or that before the Ascension of Iesus Christ the soules of the Saints were receiued into Heauen not into Limbus nor into any other third place 10 That we must confesse our sinnes to God onely 11 That faith onely iustifieth 12 That when the fault of sinne is remitted the punishment also is remitted 13 That God did not create men in one and the same condition but that he created some to be saued and the rest to be damned perpetually 14 That euery particular man hath an Angell that watcheth ouer him 15 That it is not lawfull to salute him nor to call vpon him 16 That God doth not suffer sinne to be done but that he will haue it to be done that hee thrusteth vs forward vnto it and constraineth vs thereunto 17 That the Scripture is easie to be vnderstood and that the vnderstanding thereof is giuen vnto all men 18 That there needes no ordinary or extraordinary vocation to preach the Word of God 19 That we must beleeue nothing but that which is written 20 That God hath not giuen power to the Church to remit sinnes 21 That all sinnes are mortall 22 That a man cannot merit by grace 23 That it is impossible to keepe the Commaundements of God although he ayde vs. 24 That God doth not recompence good workes 25 That there is no distinction of blessednesse among the Saints and that they are all equall therein 26 That we must not vse the imposition of hands which the Apostles vsed vpon those of Samaria and Ephesus 27 That the precept to annoynt sicke persons with oyle whereof St. Iames speaketh ought not to be practised in the Church although it was vsed by the Apostles 28 That prayer for the dead was not vsed in ancient times nor yet in the Machabees time Vpon these eight twenty Articles he asketh vs proofes out of the holy Scriptures but he should aske proofes of all these Articles of those that beleeue such things and not of vs to whom all these poynts are in a manner slanderously imputed Vpon the which I will briefly say something to the Reader and run ouer all these Articles 1 IT is false that we say that Children may be saued onely by the faith of their Parents Touching the necessity of Baptisme with water the Church of Rome beleeueth it not The Councell of Trent is of opinion that a vow supplyeth the want of Baptisme with water and our Aduersaries say that the Baptisme of bloud and the Baptisme of the Spirit that is martyrdome and regeneration without baptisme with water may saue a man 2 It is false that wee beleeue that the Bread in the holy Supper is onely the figure of the body of Christ The Scripture teacheth vs that the Sacraments also are seales to confirme and that the bread which wee breake is the communion of the body of Christ 3 It is false that we simply say that the Church can erre The Church that is spoken of in the Creede which is the Church of the Elect cannot erre in deciding of the doubts in faith because it neuer assembleth to decide any thing Touching the visible vniuersall Church it was assembled in the persons of the Apostles which did wholly gouerne it then it could not erre Now it is diuided into particular contrary Churches seperated from communion It is impossible to assemble the same to decide any causes Touching particular Churches as the Greeke Romane and the Syrian c. There are some that may erre and there are some particular Churches wherein it is impossible to be saued that is those that are idolatrous where the benefit of Iesus Christ is corrupted 4 It is false that we reiect all traditions we reiect those onely which add something to the doctrine of faith contayned in the holy Scriptures 5 It is false that we beleeue that Angels and Saints know not our necessities they doe generally know that the Church of God is persecuted and hath great combats to resist The Angels that God hath appointed to be our gardians know our necessities and what estate we are in 6 It is false that we simply say that Priests ought not to keepe their vowes if they make a vow of possible things and conformable to the Word of God they ought to keepe them 7 It is false that we say that single life is not to be preferred before marriage single life that is continent and hath no euill desires hath great commodities and aduantages aboue marriage and more liberty to serue God 8. 9. 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THE IESVITES SHIFTS AND EVASIONS OR His deportment in Controuersies of RELIGION OR A Treatise wherein the causes are examined why Mr. Arnoux the Iesuite refuseth to answere to seauenteene questions propounded by the Ministers of the Church of PARIS Wherein also the Treatise of fiue euasions which he hath added to the examination of our confession is likewise examined and answered BY PETER DV MOVLIN LONDON Printed by T. S. for Nathanael Newbery and are to be sold at his Shop at the signe of the Starre in Cornehill and in Popes-Head-Alley 1624. To the Christian READER COurteous Reader I would not haue thee to imagine that our Author would haue vouchsafed to bestow his labour vpon the confutation of such silly shifts and sorry Euasions as our moderne English Jesuites and Popish Priests sucke out of their fathers plants and cast foorth with more malice then wit in paltry pamphlets amongst vs to seduce simple people for alas they are not worthy any wise mans view much lesse his paines for confutation But these of Mr. Arnoux are of an higher straine and of more especiall moment which being fully cleared and displayed by our worthy Author and added as a Supplement to his Buckler of Faith a Booke that is now re-printed as most necessary and profitable in these disputing times I could not with-hold this peece from thee any longer because I supposed it would be very vsefull vnto thee also as a light Sword to offend our common Aduersaries the more readily in lighter skirmishes either ioyntly with or seuerally without the Buckler which is fit to defend vs in our strongest Incounters with them I doubt not good Reader but thou shalt in both of them finde such satisfaction as shall giue thee great content and make thee stand the more stedfestly and boldly in the breach against the enemies assaults amidst a multitude of staggerers and backe-sliders which that thou maist be inabled to do to the glory of God and the saluation of thy own soule I shall alwayes pray and indeuour my selfe to yeeld thee what helpe I am able Vale. THE IESVITES SHIFTS AND EVASIONS OR His deportment in Controuersies of RELIGION CHAP. I. The demaunds of the Pastors of the Church of Paris made to Mr. Arnoux the Iesuite THere is nothing more easier than to propound questions but the difficulty consisteth in answering well An ignorant person will put more questions in an houre than a wise man can absolue in a yeare A knot is easily knit but it is not so easily vnknit againe from thence it proceedeth that in Controuersie for Religion he that feeleth himselfe to be too weake or that his cause is ill-grounded alwaies seekes to make difficulties and to finde some meanes to blame his aduersaries beliefe but as much as he can or may exempteth himselfe from yeelding a reason of his owne faith and is wary to enter into any proofe of his Religion Master Gontri late deceased giueth this counsell in a booke which he made touching the manner how to confer with vs for hauing by experience found how dangerous it is to be too forward that the surest meanes is to bind vs to proue that which we say and still to finde some cauilation in our confession he giueth this counsell to his Disciples either to be warie how to make answere to our demaunds or to defend themselues against our accusations and neuer to enter into a proofe of the Catholicke Romish Religion This counsell liketh Master Arnoux exceeding well for hauing in the presence of his Maiestie snatcht at the margents of the confession of our faith and exclaimed against some cotations of the places of the Scripture by vs noted he presseth vs to defend them and to iustifie our allegations And hath made a booke wherein hee disciphereth our confession of the faith from the one end to the other Which booke and all his accusations wee hope we haue in some sort satisfied whereby I am perswaded that he will not hereafter enter so easily into the lists againe And not content to defend our selues we haue taken on vs the Challengers part and haue also pressed him to defend his Religion to see if he hath so much capacitie in him to answere as he hath readinesse to put questions And in counterchange of that which he doth seeking to snatch at the places of Scripture noted in the margent of our confession we haue produced the allegations of the extrauagant vnam sanctam made by Boniface the 8. and the places of Scripture alledged by the last Councell of Lateran as for example the Apostles hauing said here are two swords the Lord made answere and said It is enough And in the beginning of Genesis it is said that in the beginning God created heauen and earth And Psal 72. it is said all the Kings of the earth shall worship him And Iesus Christ said all power is giuen me in heauen and in earth Math. 28.18 which places and many the like are vsed by the said Pope and that counsell to proue that the Pope hath soueraigne power as well ouer temporall as ouer spirituall things and that Kings must worship him and that he hath all power in heauen and in earth Whereupon we aske Master Arnoux whether he will approue such allegations or whether in the margents of our confession he findeth any places of Scripture noted with such horrible licentiousnesse and manifest prophanation And in counterchange for asking vs a proofe of our Religion by the Word of God we summon and defie him to proue his Religion by the Word of God and to that end haue propounded these seauenteene questions following vnto him 1 In what place of the holy Scriptures God hath commaunded vs to call vpon dead Saints 2 Where God hath commaunded vs to represent the Trinity in stone or in picture 3 In what place of the holy Scripture we are commaunded to worship and serue the Images of Saints or to adore them as it is ordained by the second Councell of Nice 4 In what place of the Scripture it is commaunded to sacrifice the body of Iesus Christ in the Eucharist and where Iesus Christ established sacrificators of his body 5 In what place of the Scripture God hath commanded to withhold the Cup from the people in the Sacrament 6 In what place of the Scripture the Bishop of Rome is established and made S. Peters Successor in qualitie of head of the Church 7 Where God commaundeth vs in the Church to reade the holy Scriptures to the people in a language which they vnderstand not 8 Where God hath commaunded vs to pray vnto God without vnderstanding what we pray praying in a language that he which prayeth vnderstandeth not 9 In what place of the Scripture it is said that the death and passion of Iesus Christ hath satisfied for the punishment and for the fault of sinnes committed before baptisme but touching the punishment for sinnes committed after baptisme it belongeth vnto vs to satisfie the iustice