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A74671 The bar, against free admission to the Lords Supper, fixed. Or, An answer to Mr. Humphrey his Rejoynder, or, reply. By Roger Drake minister of Peters Cheap, London. R. D. (Roger Drake), 1608-1669. 1656 (1656) Wing D2128; Thomason E1593_1; ESTC R208860 271,720 506

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h._n ib._n three_o the_o best_a minister_n must_v fall_v infinite_o short_a in_o the_o discharge_n of_o his_o trial_n be_v any_o at_o all_o require_v upon_o this_o ground_n answ_n no_o more_o than_o the_o priest_n and_o levite_n who_o be_v not_o bind_v to_o know_v certain_o who_o be_v clean_a or_o unclean_a but_o upon_o suspicion_n might_n and_o ought_v to_o bring_v the_o case_n to_o issue_v by_o the_o party_n confession_n or_o sufficient_a testimony_n or_o no_o more_o than_o a_o judge_n be_v bind_v to_o know_v certain_o whether_o the_o person_n suspect_v be_v a_o felon_n or_o not_o but_o must_v endeavour_v to_o seek_v out_o the_o truth_n by_o the_o person_n confession_n or_o legal_a evidence_n which_o be_v do_v the_o judge_n be_v innocent_a however_o eventual_o a_o guilty_a person_n may_v be_v clear_v and_o so_o enjoy_v the_o privilege_n of_o a_o honost_o man_n &_o contra_fw-la however_o therefore_o in_o the_o close_a of_o this_o argument_n m._n h._n be_v please_v to_o judge_v that_o the_o first_o touch_n of_o conscience_n before_o mature_a deliberation_n have_v incline_v pious_a person_n to_o plead_v for_o trial_n of_o other_o in_o order_n to_o the_o sacrament_n yet_o the_o serious_a debate_n both_o in_o the_o assembly_n and_o parliament_n about_o this_o particular_a before_o it_o be_v ratify_v by_o the_o civil_a sanction_n as_o also_o the_o constant_a practice_n of_o our_o own_o and_o other_o church_n before_o these_o time_n may_v persuade_v m._n h._n that_o his_o judgement_n be_v not_o infallible_a if_o self-examination_n exclude_v church-examination_n then_o pari_fw-la ratione_fw-la self-judging_a exclude_v church-judging_a and_o self-teaching_a church-teaching_a argument_n 11._o m._n h._n 234._o his_fw-la 11_o argument_n the_o sacrament_n be_v a_o mean_n to_o confirm_v faith_n of_o assent_n ergo_fw-la it_o be_v a_o mean_n of_o conversion_n answ_n 1._o this_o argument_n prove_v indeed_o the_o sacrament_n be_v a_o mean_n to_o confirm_v conversion_n by_o confirm_v assent_n in_o those_o who_o be_v regenerate_v 2._o that_o it_o may_v confirm_v a_o common_a assent_n in_o any_o that_o understand_v it_o but_o the_o great_a question_n be_v whether_o actual_a receive_n can_v beget_v a_o save_a assent_n and_o so_o work_v initial_a conversion_n his_o testimony_n out_o of_o calvin_n prove_v god_n orderly_a and_o gradual_a proceed_n about_o the_o work_n of_o conversion_n first_o by_o the_o word_n then_o by_o the_o sacrament_n yea_o afterward_o by_o both_o together_o but_o that_o by_o the_o sacrament_n god_n open_v a_o passage_n for_o initial_a conversion_n be_v m._n h._n his_o gloss_n not_o m._n calvin_n text_n beside_o by_o the_o word_n god_n teach_v not_o only_o convince_o but_o also_o effectual_o and_o so_o far_o as_o the_o word_n teach_v the_o sacrament_n may_v confirm_v either_o in_o relation_n to_o degree_n of_o conviction_n or_o of_o conversion_n in_o order_n to_o both_o of_o which_o the_o spirit_n be_v a_o necessary_a agent_n argument_n 12._o m._n h._n his_o 12._o argument_n ib._n the_o solemn_a application_n of_o the_o covenant_n to_o a_o man_n self_n according_a to_o his_o estate_n etc._n etc._n be_v the_o very_a only_a way_n whereby_o the_o spirit_n usual_o work_v conviction_n and_o sincere_a conversion_n but_o actual_a receive_n be_v a_o solemn_a mean_n of_o such_o a_o application_n ergo._n answ_n 1._o i_o deny_v the_o minor_a as_o to_o the_o second_o branch_n about_o sincere_a conversion_n m._n h._n his_o prossyllogism_n draw_v from_o legal-conviction_n and_o self-judging_a will_v not_o help_v he_o till_o he_o can_v prove_v that_o a_o instantaneous_a act_n of_o legal-conviction_n with_o a_o like_a instantaneous_a and_o hypocritical_a act_n of_o self-judging_a if_o produce_v at_o all_o by_o the_o unworthy_a communicant_a in_o the_o act_n of_o receive_v be_v effectual_a mean_n of_o convert_v such_o a_o obdurate_a sinner_n who_o resist_v all_o the_o grace_n of_o the_o sacrament_n till_o he_o come_v to_o the_o last_o act_n of_o receive_v 2._o the_o forementioned_a application_n may_v be_v make_v with_o less_o danger_n of_o guilt_n by_o presence_n without_o receive_v mr._n h._n p._n 236._o and_o 237._o he_o that_o be_v willing_a to_o go_v on_o in_o his_o sin_n and_o refuse_v jesus_n christ_n i_o will_v not_o gratify_v he_o so_o far_o to_o say_v he_o must_v stay_v away_o this_o be_v doctrine_n after_o the_o flesh_v own_o heart_n answ_n 1._o how_o come_v it_o then_o to_o pass_v that_o the_o most_o fleshly_a man_n be_v usual_a most_o eager_a for_o the_o sacrament_n and_o think_v themselves_o most_o wrong_v when_o keep_v away_o ask_v the_o worst_a in_o every_o parish_n whether_o the_o minister_n gratify_v they_o most_o by_o suspension_n or_o by_o admission_n yet_o 2._o by_o suspension_n we_o affect_v not_o simple_o either_o to_o gratify_v or_o displeasure_n any_o unless_o care_n and_o endeavour_v to_o prevent_v their_o sin_n and_o bring_v they_o to_o save_v knowledge_n and_o grace_n be_v a_o gratification_n or_o displeasure_n and_o i_o hope_v every_o godly_a man_n shall_v be_v willing_a to_o gratify_v all_o nor_o afraid_a to_o displease_v any_o by_o endeavour_n to_o prevent_v their_o sin_n and_o to_o work_v in_o they_o real_a conversion_n what_o ever_o therefore_o m._n h._n be_v please_v to_o insinuate_v p._n 237._o be_v not_o deceive_v as_o if_o by_o abstention_n or_o suspension_n thou_o either_o give_v up_o thyself_o or_o be_v give_v up_o as_o lose_v or_o that_o any_o unworthy_a receiver_n can_v make_v so_o good_a use_n of_o the_o sacrament_n or_o of_o the_o blood_n of_o christ_n as_o to_o wash_v away_o any_o one_o stain_n of_o sin_n such_o conceit_n may_v puzzle_v and_o trouble_v but_o will_v never_o convert_v or_o edify_v thou_o if_o the_o guilt_n of_o christ_n body_n and_o blood_n can_v bring_v thou_o near_a heaven_n then_o may_v unworthy_a receive_n bring_v thou_o thither_o study_v well_o those_o two_o text_n 1_o cor._n 11._o v._n 27_o 29._o and_o thou_o will_v easy_o perceive_v that_o m._n h._n be_v better_a at_o rhetoric_n than_o spiritual_a logic_n attend_v upon_o the_o word_n which_o undoubted_o be_v a_o mean_n and_o have_v clear_a promise_n of_o coversion_n and_o upon_o true_a though_o weak_a discovery_n of_o grace_n come_v to_o the_o sacrament_n as_o god_n second_o chariot_n that_o will_v carry_v thou_o apace_o to_o heaven_n page_z 239-240_a m._n h._n endeavour_n to_o back_o all_o his_o twelve_o argument_n by_o a_o instance_n or_o example_n before_o which_o he_o insert_v these_o word_n whereas_o mr._n drake_n be_v ready_a to_o cite_v i_o before_o the_o great_a tribunal_n i_o may_v appeal_v thither_o to_o those_o many_o saint_n in_o heaven_n together_o with_o this_o party_n etc._n etc._n answ_n 1._o sir_n have_v you_o note_v the_o place_n where_o i_o cite_v you_o before_o the_o great_a tribunal_n you_o have_v do_v i_o a_o favour_n i_o do_v not_o remember_v such_o expression_n and_o shall_v censure_v myself_o for_o rashness_n if_o i_o utter_v such_o word_n without_o a_o very_a weighty_a ground_n 2._o in_o appeal_n thither_o to_o the_o saint_n depart_v how_o ever_o your_o meaning_n may_v be_v good_a the_o expression_n be_v not_o very_o suitable_a to_o protestant_a principle_n but_o i_o let_v it_o pass_v as_o a_o superfluity_n of_o rhetoric_n and_o come_v to_o scan_v the_o instance_n and_o example_n i_o doubt_v not_o but_o mr._n fairclough_n report_v faithful_o and_o candid_o according_a to_o what_o he_o apprehend_v by_o information_n and_o observation_n which_o testimony_n mr._n h._n present_n to_o public_a view_n p._n 240._o i_o hope_v verbatim_o without_o addition_n or_o detraction_n only_o here_o i_o entreat_v the_o reader_n to_o note_v three_o particular_n so_o i_o have_v do_v with_o this_o section_n 1._o by_o this_o testimony_n its_o evident_a mr._n f._n differ_v from_o mr._n h._n his_o opinion_n about_o free_a admission_n 2._o that_o thomasin_n bud_n say_v not_o that_o her_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n be_v