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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A65478	The voyce of him that is escaped from Babylon Reasons given forth to all sober minded people, why I departed from the ministry of those called ministers of parishes; and why I departed from the ministry of those called Anabaptists; and why I have, and what I have contended for, some years past.	West, Robert, b. ca. 1613.	1658 (1658)	Wing W1391; ESTC R217331	15,883	20

I asked him whether he meant the visible blood that was shed without the gates of Jerusalem he said yea I asked then of William Crabb and Nicholas Ellyot and other Teachers there present whether they did own it they said yea and gave me a Coppy of it in writing and asked me whether I would deny it if I did I should deny the whole or else grant the whole of their affirmation To that I replyed It 's written thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed nor weare a Linsie Wolsie Garment This is a mingled affirmation said I some things may be owned and some things must be denyed then being admitted by them I made my exceptions to wit that I did deny that to be the everlasting Gospel namely Remission of sins by the visible blood and that for these Reasons First that-that-blood had a beginning which was shed without the gates of Jerusalem but the everlasting Gospel had no beginning again the Gospel was preached to Abraham and them that are dead and Christ preached the Gospel before the visible blood was shed and remitted sins and there was none saved without Remission of sins and without shedding of blood there is no Remission of sins therefore Remission of sins by that blood was not the everlasting Gospel Then they said they would prove it which they endeavoured about two or thee hours bringing these following Scriptures Isa 52. 10. Rom. 10. 15. Act. 13. 32 33 38. Luke 2. 13. Act. 20. 28. 1 Pet. 1. 28. Col. 1. 20. Heb. 12. 24. Rev. 1. 5. Mat. 26. 28. Heb. 9. 14 22. 1 Cor. 15. 1 3. Act. 5. 3. And then said We have proved it I denyed it A friend to truth desired those Scriptures mentioned might be proved which was not assented to but the question was put upon the people because of the remaining questions whether to them they had proved it because they said they had and the people replyed Nay The other things agreed to be reasoned then was what the Ministers of the Gospel was to direct the people to to which was agreed on by both sides To Christ the next question was Where he was they said in heaven then said I where is heaven Then said they we have proved what was to be reasoned or asserted then said I the kingdome of heaven is within you and Christ is in heaven then said they prove it I said Will you deny it they then was silent Then said I I should not prove it except they did deny it many other wordspassed with which I shall not trouble the Reader For matter this is the sum of that present meeting After this they said that I was fallen from the faith and that they were sorry for me and others I then examined what might be the meaning of this their saying and I found in my understanding that they did mean because I do believe the first principle to be preached to men is the light that shineth in darknesse to wit in their hearts whereas they preached to men the first principle to be believed is without men and not within men Now I confesse it had been a question some time in my understanding whether Yea or Nay I had not fallen and I found that I had fallen from making the sayings of men or the Letter of Scripture the ground of my faith now I had made a large profession of God and Christ at a distance from me but knew neither my faith at that time was like that of the Samaritans who believed because of the saying of the Woman but truly as they sayd so say I they said Now we believe not because of thy saying for we have heard him our selves and know that this is indeed the Christ the Saviour of the World For friends it is one thing to believe the Scriptures or Reports of men but it 's another thing to believe Christ For example Agrippa believed the Prophets when he believed not in Christ for he saith unto Paul thou hast almost Act. 2● 28. perswaded me to be a Christian Now the promise is sure to the ●eed but not to Reports of men for thus it is written whosoever believeth in him shall never be confounded or ashamed and in truth I am a witnesse As the mind is turned to the measure of him Rom. 10 11. and on it stayed there 's vertue proceedeth from him which purgeth the mind and then giveth peace and an understanding to know him which is life eternal thus have I wandered from one City to another Country and from the Teachings of men and am taught of the Lord. Glory be to him for ever who sheweth me Mysteries and the times of Ministrations Behold I shew you some of them Christ is hid in God and shall appear the Gentiles are partakers of the divine nature and so made fellow-heirs with the Jews of the kingdome of heaven God is in Christ and Christ is in the Light and the light is in the world now to be manifested for the obedience of faith to all Nations the body of Saints shall be raised and we then that are alive shall be changed and ascend in the sight of her enemies to meet the Lord when he shall be Revealed in like manner as he did ascend into heaven The Saints both Jews and Gentiles shall come with him and shall be seen by enemies in the kingdom of God and the dominion under the whole heavens shall be given unto the Saints of the most high and they shall Rule and Reign on Earth in the kingdom of Christ and then the kingdomes of this World shall become the kingdomes of our Lord and of his Christ the time is at hand that these things shall be performed although it may seem as an idle tale unto many whose hearts are flow to believe all that the Prophets have spoken and therefore perverts the Prophets words yet shall they certainly come to passe And now friends all beware of perswasions that are contrary to the Scriptures of the Prophets for the spirit of the Prophets are subject to the Prophets hold fast therefore the forme of sound words and learn to speak such words that cannot be condemned for when words are spoken that are questionable there 's occasion given of disputing and beware of putting one dispensation in the place of another for that is turning truth into a lye beware also of Preaching dispensations together without distinction for then it will be an uncertain sound and an occasion of disputing now the servants of God in former times gave the sense of what they did read unto the people and gave distinction in the sound of their Ministery and caused the people to understand it and was meek toward them that did not understand although they did oppose what was spoken For example Christ said to his disciples Whither I go ye know and the way ye know Thomas saith We know not the way yet Christ did not say to him I deny thy spirit but

THE VOYCE OF Him that is escaped from BABYLON Reasons given forth to all sober minded people why I departed from the Ministery of thos● called Ministers of Parishes and why I departed from the Ministery of those called Anabaptists and why I have and what I have contended for some years past It 's the duty of believers in Christ to contend for the faith that once was delivered to the Saints Although for it I have been persecuted and am hated Woe is me my Mother that thou hast born me a man of strife and a man of Contention to the whole Earth Jer. 15. 10. LONDON 〈…〉 The Voyce of him that is escaped from Babylon Reasons given forth to all sober minded people Why I departed from the Ministery of those called Ministers of Parishes and why I departed from the Ministery of those called Anabaptists and why I have and what I have contended for some years past It 's the duty of Believers in Christ to contend for the faith that was once delivered to the Saints although for it I have been persecuted and am hated Woe is me my Mother that thou hast born me a man of strife and a man of contention to the whole Earth Jer. 15. 10. VVHen I turned at the reproofs of God then the word of God entred into me and by it my understanding was enlightned and understanding was given me and then did I see that the Parish Ministers so called was Teachers of that that they walked not in themselves When I pressed them to it to wit to walk as examples to the people of what they preached some of them told me the things I said ought to be done and it was good if it was so but it could not Then being asked the Reason one of them replyed to wit William Hughes of Marlebrough who said he should then wrong his wife and Children Upon this I departed from them being satisfied of them that they was sayers and not doers for I had proved others of them before Then after my departure from them with whom I walked in an Independant way as they called it I went and heard the Anabaptists so called whose Conversations was more agreeable to what they said than those called Parish Ministers but their doctrine was one in this particular to wit that Christ died but for a Remnant whom they called the Elect I being unsatisfied with that doctrine by reason of a friend whom the Lord made useful to me who proposed this question to me Whether Christ dyed for all if not how can it be preached to all that he dyed for them and whether the pressing of all to believe be not the pressing of men to believe a lye if he dyed not for all seeing all are pressed upon 〈◊〉 b●li●●●●h●t ●● dyed for them After I had considered of it this wrought in my understanding that it was uncertain who Christ dyed for if he dyed not for all and that it was a lye to preach to the people that he dyed for them if he dyed not for them and that for me to believe he dyed for me if he dyed not for all was uncertain and so I was put upon the tryal of my faith In the proving of which I found that it was not according to the form of the Apostles doctrine for that was that he casted death for every man and that he dyed for all and gave himself a Ransome for all to be testified in due time God being no respecter of persons for when we was enemies Christ dyed for the ungodly the just for the unjust as it is written that he might redeem us from all iniquity not that he did then and that he might bring us to God I being convinced of this form of doctrine contended for it with those baptiz'd people with whom I accompanied and in love to them and the truth obtained a dispute between them and one John Cooper concerning that matter but the things disputed of being stated unsound proved to be of little profit as for the matter or question disputed on it was stated thus Whether that Redemption by Christ was greater or larger then salvation by Christ now this is not according to the former sound words Stated to wit the Scriptures of the Prophets for there is none saved by Christ's death but those that are redeemed from all unrighteousnesse and there is none redeemed from unrighteousnesse but by the blood which is the life for the death of Christ singly considered saveth not from death but the life as saith the Apostle we are saved by his life for the life is the Ransome 〈◊〉 5. 10. that redeems to God so then Redemption and Salvation by Christ is equal now Christ giveth himself a Ransome for all as it 〈◊〉 20. 28. is written for the free gift is unto all and lighteth every man that cometh into the world and this is to be testified in due time Now ●●m 2. 6. when I saw that the baptized people would not be convinced of their errour to wit of personal Election and Reprobation before time I departed from them for I knew by light received that God who worketh all things after the Counsel of his own will hath ordained a way of life and a way of death before we was but did not decree persons to those wayes but set them before them to chuse life and good death and evil as it is written Deut. 30. 15. and thus our salvation is of God because he hath ordained the way but our destruction is of our selves if we turn from it or if called Baptists I began to consider that I had contended for the forme of truth but where was the power to be known and what was it that so my mind might be stayed upon it for as yet I knew not the Lord although he was within me and had enlightned my understanding by which I did know and discern Doctrines thus the Lord was within me and I knew it not then it did appear to me according to Scripture that that was the Lord which did search the heart and make manifest sin to me and did reprove me for it then I questioned what the everlasting Gospel was and reasoned with some what it should be Some said one thing and some another ●o that their sayings satisfied me not what it was It was so ordered by the Lord about two or three years after I had seperated from the Baptists that I went to their meeting then they desired to reason with me what the Gospel was to which I agreed willingly now it was referred for a fourteen dayes after and then it was Reasoned by them and I. There was about eight or ten of their Teachers besides many people he who was their chief Reasoner was one Blase Allen who affirmed that the everlasting Gospel was Remission of sin by the blood of Jesus Christ and glory by him at his appearing to all that thus receive it it s the power of God unto salvation