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A94142 Tvvo letters: the one to subtile papist: the other to a zealous Presbyterian. In both which the authour conceives he hath said enough to keepe any man from the Roman Church, in the generall of religion, and from the Presbyterian congregation in the particular of the eucharist, or the Lords Supper: because St Paul saies, 1 Cor. 11. 16. Wee know no such custome, neither the Church of God. By T. Swadling, D.D. Swadlin, Thomas, 1600-1670. 1653 (1653) Wing S6230; Thomason E712_1; ESTC R207131 21,573 32

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seems to me To me yes so it may Bernardus non videt omnia and the man whose eye is offuscated may and sometimes does take Auripigmentum for Aurum and so mistakes and so do you For not to administer it so seems to other men a manifest perverting of our Saviours intention and end in giving that Ordinance For he gave it in a generall and promiscuous way Just that way which hath been usuall in all times since untill this very time In that way which was usuall in all former times for the Passeover to be administred in untill the Jewes made a defection of their obedience and turned Rebells Then indeed but not untill then it was put to the question whether Christ might supp with and consequently give his supper to Publicans and Sinners and who resolved best upon this question Christ or the Pharisee judge your self If I durst be so bold with you as you are with other men I should imagine you are for the Pharisee not for Christ For you say Opponent Christ gave it to distinguish and confirm Respond But do you believe it Certainly Sir you do not If you do you believe not Christ For his End of instituting this Sacrament and which himself sets down in terminis is twofold 1. Commemorative Doe this in remembrance of me 2. Consolative or as you please to phrase it Confirmative to Confirm This Cup is the new Testament in my blood which is shed for you Luke 22.19.20 or as Saint Mathew hath it Mat. 26.28 This is my blood of the new Testament which is shed for many for the remission of sins These are the Ends of this Sacrament to remember and to confirme for I will not dissent where I may with safety consent but not to distinguish and therefore certainly Sir you doe not believe what you say is the end of this Sacrament To distinguish your Heart and Tongue are not friends or for I dare not judge any man an Hypocrite it is not in my Commission your tongue is not the truest because your heart is not the wisest unlesse you will be pleased to come truly and wisely off by distinguishing the end by a distinction without end and say The end of this Sacrament is double 1. Chief 2. Subordinate 1. Maine 2. Mean and you mean the mean end of this Sacrament is to distinguish the main end is to remember and Confirm To remember Christs death for us To confirm our Faith in Christ and Christs graces in us The Church thought it fit to follow Christ in her admirable and incomparable Catechism where to the 21. question Why was the Sacrament of the Lords Supper ordained It is thus answered For the continuall remembrance of the Sacrifice of the death of Christ and the benefits wee receive thereby Thus it was in the old Church but thus it is not in the new Church but if the new Church be not the true Church give me leave to be of the old Church still the rather because she followeth the Truth which is Christ and Christ which is the Truth saying Do this in remembrance of me This is my blood of the New Testament which is shed for many for the remission of sinnes To distinguish is not the end of this Sacrament unlesse you mean the mean end But you have said it and thus you prove it Opponent As Baptism doth distinguish all within the Pale of the Visible Church from Turks and Heathens so because amongst those that do acknowledge God in Christ many nay most do it but onely in word professing they know God But in their workes and waies deny him being indeed abominable Tit. 1.16 the Sacrament of the Lords Supper is to distinguish those that acknowledge and hold forth Christ in their lives from the rest of Christened sinners within the Pale of the Church Respond This is a Symbolical argument and Symbolical arguments cannot prove a thing they may illustrate and this illustrates you to be a Sophister but no Logician and of you it might be said Cucu las non facit hominem but I am not for sport and therefore in the words of Sobernesse do say you are very near of kin to Nicodemus when he understood not the Principles of Religion and I must ask you again Do you believe that the end of Baptism is to distinguish Certainly you do not unlesse you again help your self at a dead lift with another meane distinction I deny not but Baptism doth distinguish and as a Liverie tells the World whose servants we are but I deny it to be the end the main end of Baptism For the chiefe and Principall end of Baptisme is To seale the Covenant of Grace to testifie our cleansing by Christ and this I have learned from Saint Paul Know yee not that they which are Baptised into Jesus Christ are Baptised into his death Rom. 6.3 q. d. If you know not this you know nothing A lesse Principal and mean end I confesse it may be called and you must confesse you have very meanly proved your Negative opinion of this question by your first argument Nay you have not proved it at all For if to distinguish be not the end of the Baptism the main end than you have not proved To distinguish to be the maine end of the other Sacrament But to distinguish is not the maine end of Baptism therefore you have not by this by this you cannot prove To distinguish to be the main end of the other Sacrament Baptism and the Lords supper may be called Notes of distinction but the end of Baptism is Regeneration the end of the Lords Supper is Commemoration but you confound Ends and Notes and take the one for the other I wish you had not walled a piece of Scripture too and condemned most Christians too Quis te constituit judicem who told you that most Christians do onely in word professe God that most men in their lives and waies are abominable If you have received such a new illumination I pray yet let not the next word be carried in a dark lantern and then though I dare not say most Christians are abominable I shall dare to say some are disobedient and if you will give this word leave to be the Exegesis of the Precedent and Subsequent as some Expositors of that verse do you will believe those men to be abominable and to every good work reprobate that are disobedient but this text you brought in by a Parenthesis and for any good I can see it does you you might as well have let it alone It may be your next proof is of more weight which you deliver thus Opponent And further Christ gave it to be a seal to confirm and strengthen which doth suppose something in the Receivers to be confirmed and strengthened viz. The Sanctifying and Justifying graces of God whereof we all know not many are partakers Therefore unlesse there be some speciall care taken that Justifyed and Sanctifyed Persons we guiding ourselves by