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A90953 A breife relation, of some of the most remarkable pasages of the Anabaptists in high and low Germany in the year, 1521. &c. Gathered out of the writings of Sleyden, Antonius, Servanus, Lambertus, John Gastio, and others who write of their practises. And Bullinger, Luther, Melancthon, Calvin, Vrsinus, and others who write against their heresies. By George Pressick, of Dublin in Ireland. Pressick, George. 1661 (1661) Wing P3295; Thomason E1047_5; ESTC R208094 24,194 24

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we demand if that body of Jesus Christ which was in the stomacks of the Apostles if it did also sweat drops of bloud and was apprehended and buffeted by the souldiers for if it did sweat drops of bloud and was apprehended under the species in the stomacks of the Apostles it was passable and also the souldiers that must buffet it must be put under the same species but if it did not sweat nor was not apprehended nor buffeted under these kinds then there as wat the same time a lesus Christ suffering and a Jesus Christ not suffering and so by consequence who was not our Saviour Fifthly the body of Jesus Christ celebrating the Sacrament was weak passable and mo●●●…l but the body which the Apostles received of him was impassible and could suffer nothing Let our adversaries prove if any ought to receive their opinion which giveth unto Jesus Christ at the same time two bodies of contrary natures or at least one body contrary to it self Sixthly when Victor the 3 Pope of that name was poysoned in the Challice and Henery the 7. in the Host we demand what that was which was poysoned for to say the body of Jesus Christ was poysoned is to prophane his body what was it then with which they killed a Pope and a good Emporour let them answer c. Seventhly but seeing we and you both agree that Jesus Christ at the institution of this Sacrament he did eat and drink with his disciples We demanded did Jesus Chist eat his own body and what profit that would be either to him or us but if there be a corporall bodily substantiall presence of Christs body and bloud in the Sacrament by a change or conversion of the bread and wine into the same body and bloud after the words of Consecration as you say there is then he must needs eat his own body and drink his own bloud which we put you to prove if you say the outside of the body is within the body it s all one as if you should say the sheath is within the sword c. Eighthly if Christs body be eaten corporally in the Sacrament and that all that eate his flesh and drink his bloud have eternall life as John 6.54 which you apply to the Sacrament then should wicked men as well as the faithfull have eternall life for they eat that which you say is the flesh and bloud of Christ as well as the faithfull if there be a corporal presence in the Sacrament Christ said his body was the bread his bloud it was the wine they eat they drank yet he their shewed their feeding was divine Ninthly we demand how you prove it lawfull to pray in a language not understood of him that prayeth seeing the Apostle in the 1 Cor. 14.19 saith I had rather speak five words with my understanding that by my voyce I might teach others than ten thousand words in an unknown tonge and vers 14.15 If I pray in an unknown tongue my spirit prayeth but my understanding is unfruitfull therefore I will pray with the spirit and will pray with understanding also c. Tenthly we demand how you prove that we ought to adore the Crosse with the same odoration that God is worshipped withall as Thomas and many other Doctors of the Church of Rome teacheth and if when the Preists saith to the Cross All hale triumphal wood that wood understands what the Preist saith seeing he speaks to the wood and where God hath commanded us to honour him thus Eleventhly we demand how you prove it lawfull to have the Image of God or of the Trinity in Churches represented in stone or in pictures seeing God hath forbidden it Deut. 4.15 16. Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the Lord spake unto you in Horch out of the midst of the fire Lest you corupt your selves and make you a graven image the likenesse or simil●tude of any figure the likenesse of male or female c. Twelfly seeing the Church of Rome holdeth that Infants which dye shortly after Baptisme go straight way into paradise We demand whence it commeth that the Preists takes money to pray and say Masses for them and what profit redoundeth thereof unto their children Thirtenthly where is it that God hath Commanded that we should offer Iesus Christ as a Propitiatory sacrifice for the quick and dead seeing that you say the Priests calling is that they are established to sacrifice Jesus Christ Wee demand where in what Scripture God hath established them sacrificers seeing that Jesus Christ doth not give that quality to his disciples and the new Testament doth not in any place call the pastors of the Church Sacrificers 14ly We demand if in the holy Scriptures there be any command not to eat flesh on Friday c. seeing that Friday was the day in which Jesus Christ did eate the pascall lamb and that the Apostle in the 1 Tim. 4.1 3. sayes they are seducers and calls it the doctrine of the devil to forbid marriages and command Abstinence from meates which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving 15ly When there were many Popes at once and the strongest Pope carryed it how will you prove that the strongest was the lawfull Pope for if you prove not that the succession hath often been interrupted and they that followed are successors of usurping Popes being chosen by Cardinalls created by the preceding Pope who not being the lawfull Pope had no Just authority to create Card●nalls nor those Cardinalls to chose a Pope 16ly How do you prove that the blessed Virgin Mary was rapt up in body into heaven and there crowned Queen of heaven for seeing she is so represented in your Churches and the people taught so we demand how you prove it to be so 17ly We say that the Munks and Friars as they stand at this day are those the Apostle foretold of Col. 2.18 that do in voluntary humility worship angels and pray to them not holding the head which is Christ and therefore not holding the head there is no salvation to be had in any other they also teach the people in some things touch not tast not handle nor which all are to perish though they have a shew in will-worship and humility and neglecting of the body to the satisfying of the flesh By George Pressick
Pope also in the Treasury of the Church the punishment and travells of Noah Abraham Jacob and others and to whom doth he distribute them Seaventhly why did not the Sacrificers in the time of the law distribute them to the faithfull in their times Eightly why did not Jesus Christ nor the Apostles nor their disciples in all the first Age of the Church distribute any indulgence unto the dead Ninethly why was it that they did not celebrate any Jubile nor establish any such priviledges as the Pope doth now whereupon he that causeth certain Masses to be said draweth a soule whom he will chuse out of Purgatory nor give any bulls to deliver a foul out of purgatory nor tye the remission of sinnes to a certain place where the pardons are to be procured Is it because the Popes have better inventions than the Apostles and others had or that God is grown more liberall than he was in former ●ges Tenthly how do you prove that there are any workes of Supererogation seeing God requires that we should love and serve him with all the heart and all the soule and all the strength and all the mind Now if God requires all who is he that can do more than all that he should best of superabounding workes more than God requires when he requires all For whatsoever any man can do or performe that is lawfull to be done it is included in this word All and it is either expressed or included in some command or precept in the word of God and if it be not expressed nor included in the word of God then God will say of it as in Isa 1.1 ●ho h●h required this at your hands and God will esteem of it as he saith Isa 66.3 He that killeth on oxe is as if he slew a man and he that Sacrificeth a lamb as if he cut off a dogs neck and he that offereth an oblation as if he offered swines bloud and he that burneth incense as as if he blessed an Idoll and the reason is given in the latter part of the verse they have chosen their own wayes and their so●l delighteth in their abominations for whatsoever you do that is not either expressed nor included in some command or precept in which God requires all it is your owne ways and abominations and not Gods wayes and therefore God will not accept it Ergo there is no works of Supererogation Secondly of Merits First how do you prove by Scripture that any man can merit any good at the hands of God seeing Christ himself tells us that when we have done all that we can we should count our selves unprofitable servants and have done no more than what is our duty to do and therefore not meritorious as to Eternall life Secondly the favour of God saith Mr. Perkins is of such infinite dignity that no creature is able to do a work to countervaile the favour of God but Christ alone Thirdly saith he for one good work we do we do many evill works the offence whereof defaceth the merit of our best works and makes them too light in the ballance of the law of God Fourthly God sh●wes mercy unto thousands of them that love him and keep his Commandments Exod. 20 6. Whence we reason thus that where reward is given upon mercy there it is not given upon merit but reward is given upon mercy even to them that love him and keep his Commandments the refore not given upon merit Fiftly Christ himself hath taught us to pray give us our daily bread it must needs therefore saith Mr Perkias be a Satanicall insolency for any man to think that he can merit eternall life who cannot merit bread but ought daily to pray for it Sixthly the Apostle in his Epistle Titus 5.3 saith that it is not for any works of righteousnesse that we have done but of mercy we are saved and if of mercy then it is not of merit Thirdly of Purgatory First whereas Papists teach that Jesus Christ is the intercessor and meadiator for those souls which they say are in Purgatory We demand why they do not presently go forth upon his intercession but remaine some hundred or thousand yeares as appeares by five or six thousand year pardons which the Po●e grantetth unlesse you thinke that there is more efficacy in the Popes pardons then there is in Christs inercession answer it if you can Secondly we demand how it comes to passe that other religious men now a dayes in small account in 〈…〉 Carmelites have the priviledge granted them by the Pope that they shall not be in Purgatory but till the Saturday after their death and the Cordilians have this priviledge granted them to draw a soul out of Purgatory by saying five Pater Nosters and five Ave Maiyes why have not the Jesutes the like priviledge and how prove you that the Carmelites and Cor●ilians have such priviledges Thirdly we demand if the Pope have power to grant such priviledges to others and have power himself as some hold by way of jurisdiction or by way of suffrage if he have such power as he pretendeth and your Church teacheth then why doth he not take them all out of Purgatory why doth he suffer his children to lye in a burning fire so many hundred yeares if he be able to deliver them Fourthly of Transubstantiation First Mr. Perkins saith that in the first Institution before Christs passion the body of Christ was Sacramentally eaten as already sacrificed now how the body of Christ Crucified should after a corporall manner be eaten he being not as yet Crucified is impossible to imagin Secondly we demand whether the Priest breake in the Masse the same thing that Jesus Christ brak in the supper with his disciples for it is evident that our Lord brak bread whence it follows that he brake nothing but bread but the Preist breaketh after consecration by virtue of which consecration you say the elements are changed into the real body and bloud of Christ and if so then you actually Crucify Christ afresh breaking him in peices both with your hands and teeth putting him to open shame and yet the Preist saith he sacrificeth in breaking which if it be true prove it by Scripture and who gave you this authority thus to sacrifice Jesus Christ he being now in heaven Thirdly we do not find in Scripture that the Apostles did adore that which Jesus Christ gave them as now the Papists do neither do we find that Christ in his administring the supper spake any thing of sacrifice nor made any elevation of the host as you now do he communicated it to all the assistants spake in a language understood of all why then is it at this day the Preist doth quite contrary Fourthly if there be a reall Corporall presence in the Sacrament as Papists pretend and that shortly after the Apostles had received it in their stomacks Jesus Christ did sweat drops of bloud and was apprehended and buffeted Then