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A74751 Queries of highest consideration, proposed to the five Holland ministers and the Scotch Commissioners (so called) upon occasion of their late printed apologies for themselves and their churches. In all humble reverence presented to the view of the Right Honourable the Houses of the High Court of Parliament. Williams, Roger, 1604?-1683. 1644 (1644) Thomason E32_8; ESTC R212639 13,716 21

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QVERIES OF HIGHEST CONSIDERATION Proposed to the five HOLLAND Ministers AND THE Scotch Commissioners SO CALLED Vpon occasion of their late Printed Apologies for themselves and their Churches In all Humble Reverence presented to the view of the Right Honourable the Houses of the High Court of Parlament LONDON Imprinted in the yeare MDCX. IV QVERIES OF HIGHEST CONSIDERATION Proposed to Mr. Tho. Goodwin Mr. Phillip Nye Mr. Wil. Bridges Mr. Jer. Burroughs Mr. Sidr Simpson AND To the Commissioners from the Generall Assembly so called of the Church Of SCOTLAND Vpon occasion of their late Printed Apologies for themselves and their Churches In all Humble Reverence presented to the view of the Right Honourable the Houses of the High Court of Parlament LONDON Imprinted in the yeare MDCXLIV TO THE Right Honourable Both Houses of the High Court Of PARLIAMENT Right Honourable IT is a wofull Priviledge attending all great States and Personages that they seldome heare any other Musick but what is known will please them Though our Musick sound not sweet but harsh yet please you first to know it is not fitted to your Eares but to your Hearts and the bleeding Heart of this aflicted Nation 'T is true we have been humbly bold to presume as Ester into Ahasuerus his presence against your Order For who can passe the many Locks and Bars of any the severall Licencers appointed by you with such a Message By such Circumscribing and immuring of your selves by such a Guard their Persons we honour and esteem it is rarely possible that any other Light but what their Hemispheare affoords shall ever shine on your Honours Souls though ne're so sweet so necessary and though it come from God from Heaven These Worthy and much esteemed Persons unto whom we Quaery we have heard to be Men of Conscience of Abilities and are in this worthy of double Honour that according to their Consciences they appear in the Front and present their Moulds and Patterns of Church Government from Holland from Scotland to our inquiring England Their mutuall just Exceptions which they have already or may further expresse against each others Tenents we leave to themselves though we might expresse them to our advantage We shall be humbly bold in the name of the Lord Jesus and the many thousand precious souls for whom he hath paid so deare a Ransome to present such Quaeries to your Honours view as respect their joint Agreement Pardon the I hrase like Ephraim and Manasseh though fighting each against other yet both against Christ Jesus the Lion of Iudahs Tribe we mean so farre as they appose the Truth and Purity of his last will and Testament Most Renowned Patriots You sit at Helme in as great a Storm as ere poor Englands Common-wealth was iost in Yet be you pleased to remember that excepting the affaires of Heaven of Religion of Soules of Eternity all your Consultations Conclusions Executions are not of the Quantity of the value of one poor drop of water or the little dust of the Ballance of Elaiah were a true Prophet Esa 40.15 Yet concerning Soules wee will not as most doe charge you with the loads of all the Soules in England Scotland Ireland Wee shall humbly affirme and by the help of Christ maintaine that the Bodies and Goods of the Subject is your charge Their Soules and yours are set on account to those that professe to be the Lights and Guides the Messengers and Embassadors sent from Heaven to them You will please to say We are constantly told and we believe it that Religion is our first Care and Reformation of that our greatest Taske Right Honourable your Wisdomes know the Fatall Miscariages of Englands Parliaments in this point what setting up pulling downe what Formings Reformings and againe Deformings to admiration Three Instances are dreadfull yet to expresse Seasonable First The last and best of Englands changes established Lord Bishops they and two more Priests and Deacons are by Law the established Ministers of Englands Church The former makes the latter so far as concerns a lawfull externall Calling The Lord Bishops themselvs are now Voted Antichristian Your Wisdomes then see what Callings by Law the other two sorts Priests and Deacons have all this while bin furnished with Secondly if hee that eates and drinkes the Body and blood of Christ unworthily eateth and drinketh his owne judgement and all English soules are bound by Law to cate that Body and Blood at sixteene who sees not since as t is confest scarce one of a thousand but is found ignorant Impenitent Unregenerate at those yeeres that the Body of the People are compelled by Law to eat and drink at sixteen their own judgment Thirdly for Non-conforming to these and other practises the English Masse-Booke c. what heavy Persecution have thousands felt and that by Law established We shall in all humble Reverence suggest our Feares that for the very Laws and Statutes of Englands Parliaments concerning Religion and happily for some not yet suspected the Lord Iesus hath drawne this Sword that 's daily drunke with English Blood It shall never be your Honour to this or future Ages to be confined to the Patterns of either French Dutch Scotch or New-English Churches We humbly conceive some higher Act concerning Religion attends and becomes your Consultations If he whose name is wonderfull Counsellor be consulted and obeyed according to his last Will and Testament as you may please in the Quaeries to view wee are confident you shall exceed the Acts and Patternes of all Neighbour Nations bighly exalt the name of the Son of God provide for the Peace of this distressed State engage the Soules of all that feare God to give Thankes and Supplicate for you further the Salvation of thousands and leave the sweet perfume of your Names precious to all succeeding Generations QUERIES PROPOUNDED To the five Holland Ministers and the Scotch Commissioners WORTHY SIRS IN serious Examination of your late Apologies we shall in all due respect and tendernesse humbly Querie Querie I First What Precept or Pattern hath the Lord Jesus left you in his last Will and Testament for your Synod What warrant from the Lord Iesus for the Assembly of Divines or Assembly of Divines by vertue of which you may expect his presence and assistance If you say as all Popish Synods and Councels doe the Pattern is plain Acts 15. Acts 15. examined We aske if two or three Brethren of one particular Congregation at Antioch sent to that first Mother Church at Jerusalem where the Apostles were who being immediatly inspir'd from God could say It seemeth good to the holy Spirit and Vs to lay upon you no greater burthen c. as also who had power to make Decrees for all the Churches Acts 16. We aske whether this be a Pattern A Nationall Assembly necessarily inforceth an Assembly of the whole world for a Nation or Kingdome and so consequently for more Nations and all the World if under one
Christ but Christian or Spirituall although as is exprest the godly in the 3 Kingdomes desire a Reformation yet since the Lamb of God and Prince of Peace hath not in his Testament given us a Pattern Precept or Promise for the undertaking of a civill War for his sake we Querie how with comfort to your Souls you may incourage the English Treasure to be Exhausted and the English Blood to be spilt for the Cause of Christ We readily grant the Civill Magistrate armed by God with a civill Sword Rom. 13. to execute vengeance against Robbers War lawfull in civill cases Murtherers Tyrants c. Yet where it meerly concerns Christ we find when his Disciples desire vengeance upon Offenders Luke 9. he meekly answers You know not what spirit you are of I came not to destroy Mens Lives but to save them Christ Iesus forbids fighting for his sake If ever there were cause for the servants of Christ Jesus to fight it was then when not his Truth or Servants or Ordinances but his own most holy Person was in danger Math. 26. yet then that Lamb of God checks Peter beginning to fight for him telling him that all that take the Sword shall perish by the Sword for with one Request to his Father he could have been rescued by more then 12 Legions of Angells The Reasons of it He renders the Reason of his unwillingnesse to have Fighting for his sake which was his Fathers good pleasure in the fullfilling of the Scripture Unto which also may be added Iohn 18.36 My Kingdome is not of this world if my Kingdome were of this world then would my servants fight that I should not be delivered c. If it be said his Kingdome then was not of this world but now it is or shall be then was the hower of his Suffring but now of his servants Reigning Christs sufferings to be fill'd up by his Followers we Querie What filling up of the suffrings of Christ Paul speaks of Col. 1. when he mentioneth that which is behind of the sufferings of Christ What means that generall Rule of the Lord Jesus Luke 9. If any man will follow me let him take up his Crosse or Gibbet and that of Paul 2 Tim. 4. all that will live godly in Christ Iesus must suffer persecution We Querie if Securitie may be taken by the Wildome of the State for civill Subjection The consciences of Idolaters not to be opprest by the Sword why even the Papists themselves and their Consciences may not be permitted in the World For otherwise if Englands Government were the Government of the whole World not only They but a world of Idolaters of all sorts yea the whole World must be driven out of the World We Querie Whether the Common Body of Protestants impenitent and unregenerate be not further off Salvation and lye not under a greater guilt like Chorazin and Bethsaida then does the body of ignorant Papists Ignorant Papists not such great sinners as knowing Protestants And we humbly desire it may be deeply pondered what should be the kindling of the Jealousie of God to poure forth the Blood of so many Thousands of Protestants by the bloody hands of the Papists since most just He is and righteous in all his Judgements whether or no the Lawes inacted and Violence offred even to the Consciences of the Papists themselves have not kindled these devouring flames 'T is true the Prophesies are great concerning Christ and Antichrist throughout the Prophets and the Kevelation but can you sufficiently demonstrate these to the consciences of men The Prophesies of Daniel and John not so easity demonstrated Are you those our blessed Prophets which can tell us how long Psal 74. Can you clear up the mysteries of Daniels 2300 dayes Dan. 8. Daniels 7 weeks and 3 score and 2 weeks his one week and his halfe week Daniels and Johns mysticall Numbers Dan. 9 His time times and half a time his 1290 dayes and 1335 dayes Dan. 12 Can you unlocke those mysticall numbers of Iohns 42 moneths 1260 dayes the 3 dayes and a halfe Rev. 11.12 the time times and halfe a time Rev. 12. and the thousand yeare Rev. 20. with divers others which may establish the Judgements and Consciences of Men and give them Warrant whereon to venture their Souls and shed their Bloods for the present destruction of Pope and Popery not by the breath of Christs mouth and the Sword of the Spirit but by the breath of murthering Canons and a flaming Sword of steele Otherwise we Querie The wonderful slaughters of Papists and Protestants in the famous warres of the Waldensians Whether the blood of so many hundreth thousand Protestants mingled with the blood of so many hundreth thousand Papists as was spilt some hundreth yeares in the Waldensian warres when all the Protestant partie that took the Sword perished with it be not a warning to us their offspring 'T is true Iohn tells us of Christs great Battells against the Kings of the Earth The great battels of Christ Iesus yet to be fought against the Beast and false Prophet against Gog and Magog but where speaks he of other Ammunition and Artillerie used by the Saints but what we find in Pauls Christian Magazine Ephes 6 Where read we of any other Horse and Armes but those all white Rev. 19. And yet the Lamb shall have the Victorie over the Beast and false Prophet and over Gog and Magog in the appointed season Gods children have been successefull witnesses against the Abominations c. but never did well in Church Reformation which their children after them discover to vary from the Pattern QUERIE IX You both professe great Sufferings c. We Querie Whether any of the Sufferings of Gods Witnesses since the Apostacie have been only right against the darke part the Inventions Abominations and Usurpations of Antichrist according to Rev. 11 As for the light part who sees not but to this day the Childrens Reformations in new changes condemn their Fathers whose Zeale and Patience against the dark part have hitherto exceeded the Childrens We Querie Whether the finishing of the Testimonie with the slaughter of the Witnesses and their 3 dayes and halfe last great oppression be over and past that so the light part may arise in its brightnesse Martyrs that is Witnesses not peculiar to those that die for Christ And though you commonly and only call those Martyrs who lost their lives for Jesus yet we also Querie Whether Martyrs that is Witnesses Rev. 11. be not applyable to all the servants of Christ who Witnesse against any part of the Beasts Kingdome and Tyranny although they never Witnesse to the Death QUERIE X. Since you report your opposing and suppressing of Heresies and glorious successe c. We Querie Whether that be a demonstrative argument from the Scriptures for a Truth of a Church or Government of it since even the Church of Rome may