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indifferent_a therefore_o it_o be_v madness_n to_o dispute_v against_o they_o if_o they_o be_v practise_v by_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o contrary_o he_o must_v say_v the_o whole_a church_n practise_v they_o therefore_o they_o be_v lawful_a and_o it_o be_v madness_n to_o dispute_v against_o they_o which_o be_v not_o so_o if_o the_o whole_a church_n may_v err_v neither_o have_v he_o say_v any_o more_o of_o the_o universal_a than_o of_o any_o particular_a church_n which_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v disturb_v for_o thing_n indifferent_a as_o you_o ibid._n pag._n 151._o n._n 42._o deny_v not_o but_o it_o may_v be_v esteemend_v pride_n and_o folly_n to_o contradict_v and_o disturb_v the_o church_n for_o matter_n of_o order_n pertain_v to_o the_o time_n and_o place_n and_o other_o circomstance_n of_o god_n worship_n and_o yet_o s._n austin_n in_o that_o epistle_n cap._n 2._o have_v first_o mention_v thing_n contain_v in_o scripture_n add_v these_o word_n but_o those_o thing_n which_o we_o 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madness_n what_o can_v have_v be_v speak_v more_o clear_a to_o show_v that_o we_o be_v not_o to_o follow_v the_o universal_a church_n because_o we_o judge_v aforehand_o that_o what_o she_o practise_v be_v lawful_a but_o because_o we_o learn_v by_o her_o practice_n that_o it_o be_v lawful_a and_o so_o ought_v not_o to_o doubt_v quin_fw-la ita_fw-la faciendum_fw-la sit_fw-la that_o be_v aught_o to_o be_v so_o do_v and_o so_o we_o must_v learn_v of_o she_o both_o the_o practice_n and_o the_o lawfulness_n thereof_o and_o consequent_o whatsoever_o be_v against_o scripture_n or_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o universal_a church_n must_v not_o be_v rank_v among_o the_o three_o kind_n of_o thing_n of_o which_o he_o say_v none_o of_o those_o thing_n be_v against_o faith_n or_o manner_n and_o contrary_o whatsoever_o be_v of_o the_o two_o first_o kind_n that_o be_v against_o scripture_n or_o the_o universal_a church_n must_v be_v esteem_v to_o be_v of_o a_o different_a nature_n and_o contrary_a to_o faith_n or_o manner_n and_o therefore_o say_v he_o velemendari_fw-la opportet_fw-la quod_fw-la perperam_fw-la fiebat_fw-la vel_fw-la institui_fw-la quod_fw-la non_fw-la fiebat_fw-la either_o that_o must_v be_v mend_v which_o be_v do_v amiss_o or_o that_o be_v to_o be_v ordain_v which_o be_v omit_v and_o therefore_o your_o say_n here_o that_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v account_v pride_n or_o folly_n to_o go_v about_o to_o reform_v some_o error_n which_o the_o church_n have_v suffer_v to_o come_v in_o and_o to_o vitiate_v thereby_o the_o substance_n of_o god_n worship_n be_v direct_o against_o s_n austin_n and_o you_o can_v avoid_v the_o crime_n of_o schism_n by_o part_v from_o the_o church_n upon_o such_o false_a pretence_n nor_o of_o heresy_n even_o by_o this_o most_o pernicious_a doctrine_n that_o the_o universal_a church_n may_v err_v 210._o from_o these_o place_n of_o s._n austin_n and_o what_o we_o have_v say_v
sin_n than_o schism_n yet_o add_v this_o exception_n it_o may_v happen_v that_o some_o schismatic_n may_v commit_v a_o great_a sin_n than_o some_o infidel_n either_o by_o reason_n of_o great_a contempt_n or_o the_o great_a danger_n which_o he_o bring_v or_o for_o some_o like_a thing_n if_o this_o angelical_a doctor_n s._n thomas_n say_v this_o compare_v schism_n with_o true_a infidelity_n much_o more_o may_v we_o affirm_v it_o if_o we_o consider_v true_a schism_n on_o the_o one_o side_n and_o on_o the_o other_o only_o a_o false_a appearance_n or_o mere_a external_a profession_n of_o error_n or_o heresy_n as_o for_o those_o limitation_n of_o s._n thomas_n they_o may_v seem_v to_o be_v prophecy_n if_o we_o apply_v they_o to_o luther_n and_o his_o fellow_n in_o regard_n of_o the_o contempt_n which_o they_o show_v of_o all_o prelate_n and_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o the_o not_o only_a danger_n but_o real_a and_o unspeakable_a mischief_n which_o their_o schism_n do_v bring_v and_o of_o moreand_a great_a inconvenience_n than_o can_v have_v be_v believe_v or_o imagine_v if_o the_o world_n do_v not_o see_v and_o lament_v they_o so_o as_o we_o may_v well_o speak_v to_o they_o in_o the_o word_n of_o ch_z ma_n p._n 1._o p._n 187._o n._n 23._o what_o excuse_n can_v you_o fain_o to_o yourselves_o who_o for_o point_v not_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n have_v be_v occasion_n cause_n and_o author_n of_o so_o many_o mischief_n as_o can_v not_o but_o avoidable_o accompany_v so_o huge_a a_o breach_n in_o kingdom_n in_o commonwealth_n in_o private_a person_n in_o public_a magistrate_n in_o body_n in_o soul_n in_o good_n in_o life_n in_o church_n in_o the_o state_n by_o schism_n by_o war_n by_o famine_n by_o plague_n by_o blood_n shed_v by_o all_o sort_n of_o imaginable_a calamity_n upon_o the_o whole_a face_n of_o the_o earth_n wherein_o as_o in_o a_o map_n of_o desolation_n the_o heaviness_n of_o your_o crime_n appear_v under_o which_o the_o world_n do_v pant_v 135._o some_o 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infinite_o great_a mischief_n and_o rather_o to_o profess_v exterior_o a_o error_n not_o destructive_a of_o salvation_n than_o to_o forsake_v the_o communion_n of_o god_n church_n within_o which_o god_n have_v confine_v remission_n of_o sin_n and_o salvation_n consider_v what_o we_o have_v cite_v out_o of_o your_o own_o word_n pag_n 163._o n._n 56._o if_o by_o adhere_v to_o the_o church_n we_o can_v have_v be_v thus_o far_o secure_v not_o to_o err_v in_o fundamental_n this_o argument_n that_o in_o wisdom_n we_o must_v forsake_v the_o church_n in_o nothing_o lest_o we_o shall_v forsake_v she_o in_o some_o thing_n necessary_a have_v some_o show_n of_o reason_n and_o what_o you_o say_v n._n 55._o we_o never_o annex_v this_o privilege_n of_o not_o err_v in_o fundamental_n to_o any_o one_o church_n of_o any_o one_o denomination_n which_o if_o we_o have_v do_v and_o set_v up_o some_o settle_a certain_a society_n of_o christian_n for_o our_o guide_n in_o fundamental_n than_o indeed_o and_o then_o only_o may_v you_o with_o some_o colour_n though_o with_o no_o certainty_n have_v conclude_v that_o we_o can_v not_o in_o wisdom_n forsake_v this_o church_n in_o any_o point_n for_o fear_v of_o forsake_v it_o in_o a_o necessary_a point_n in_o these_o word_n you_o grant_v that_o if_o any_o church_n of_o one_o denomination_n be_v know_v to_o be_v infallible_a in_o all_o fundamental_a point_n we_o may_v conclude_v though_o not_o certain_o yet_o probable_o that_o you_o can_v not_o in_o wisdom_n forsake_v she_o in_o any_o point_n for_o fear_v of_o forsake_v she_o in_o a_o necessary_a point_n if_o the_o inference_n of_o charity_n maintain_v be_v probable_a by_o your_o confession_n upon_o that_o supposition_n of_o infallibility_n in_o some_o determinate_a church_n for_o fundamental_a point_n than_o you_o must_v grant_v that_o all_o objection_n to_o the_o contrary_n may_v be_v answer_v which_o i_o pray_v you_o do_v and_o tell_v we_o whether_o in_o that_o case_n it_o shall_v be_v damnable_a to_o profess_v any_o know_a error_n if_o it_o be_v damnable_a than_o you_o must_v forsake_v the_o church_n in_o such_o point_n which_o yet_o you_o say_v in_o wisdom_n one_o can_v not_o do_v if_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v damnable_a you_o must_v show_v how_o it_o be_v not_o so_o and_o whatsoever_o you_o allege_v for_o the_o defence_n of_o profess_v know_v error_n and_o adhere_v to_o the_o church_n even_o in_o that_o case_n will_v serve_v for_o defence_n of_o we_o and_o a_o confutation_n of_o your_o own_o objection_n against_o us._n beside_o you_o say_v charity_n maintain_v may_v have_v some_o colour_n and_o reason_n in_o the_o case_n propose_v of_o some_o determinate_a church_n infallibility_n in_o fundamental_n to_o conclude_v that_o we_o can_v not_o in_o wisdom_n forsake_v such_o a_o church_n in_o any_o point_n for_o fear_v of_o forsake_v she_o in_o a_o necessary_a point_n from_o which_o confession_n i_o infer_v first_o that_o if_o in_o wisdom_n one_o ought_v not_o forsake_v 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than_o you_o overthrow_v your_o own_o ground_n and_o word_n n._n 57_o that_o it_o be_v impossible_a to_o adhere_v to_o the_o roman_a church_n in_o all_o thing_n have_v no_o other_o ground_n for_o it_o but_o because_o she_o be_v infallible_a in_o some_o thing_n that_o be_v in_o fundamental_n because_o in_o reason_n no_o conclusion_n can_v be_v large_a than_o the_o principle_n on_o which_o it_o be_v found_v and_o therefore_o if_o i_o consider_v what_o i_o do_v and_o be_v persuade_v that_o your_o infallibility_n be_v but_o limit_v and_o particular_a and_o partial_a my_o adherence_n upon_o this_o ground_n can_v possible_o be_v absolute_a and_o universal_a and_o totall_n three_o upon_o this_o your_o own_o grant_n it_o follow_v clear_o that_o luther_n can_v not_o in_o wisdom_n forsake_v all_o church_n because_o protestant_n grant_v that_o all_o church_n or_o the_o whole_a church_n can_v err_v in_o fundamental_a point_n and_o therefore_o in_o wisdom_n can_v not_o be_v forsake_v in_o any_o 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