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A65022 A vindication of Mr. VVeld wherein, the case between him and his opposers, is truely stated, and the church-way of Christ soberly asserted. In answer to the aspersions most unworthily cast upon him by Mr. James Cole, Tho: Potts, Tho: Arrowsmith, George Johnson, and Ralph Clavering, (an ill recompence of all his faithfull endeavours for their eternall good) and themselves manifested to the world what spirits they are of. By a friend to truth, and an enemy to lyes. By a friend to truth, and an enemy to lyes. 1658 (1658) Wing V484; ESTC R219234 19,875 30

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as I verily beleeve he hath and if he dispence the Sacraments to those that come under the order of the Gospel then he may comfortably appeare in the day of his accounts onely let me desire you to study that place you quote Heb. 13. 17. and thinke your so often grieving of him how unprofitable it will be to you in that great day To your second quaerie Wherein you cry up the greatnesse of Sacramentall mysteries I answer That the reason why M. Weld dare not Administer Baptisme and the Lords Supper to the prophane multitude is because they are such glorious mysteries Procul este prophani Shall they that cannot discerne the Lords Body partake of it As for your calling the Sacraments Instruments of redeeming you you speake ignorantly the Blood of Christ onely can redeeme Where are Sacraments said to red●eme Did the Bread or Wine or Water dye for us Seales they are of the Covenant of Grace and so to be dispensed to those that are in Covenant And whereas you call them purifying know that polluting of Ordinances it not the way to purifie hearts To your thir● 〈◊〉 as for denying the Sacraments to the multitude what ever be the event he walks by the rule of distinguishing the p●●t●ous from the vile And for your feares surely the with-holding them from the ignorant is a more likely means to bring them to a sight of their unworthynesse then the letting them eate and drink their damnation whereby if infinite me●cy did not step betwixt they would be sea●'d to destruction To the fourth quaerie the discipline of Christ is part of the faith once delivered to the Saints this distinguishing carriage to saints and others hath Scripture Precept and Pract●ce for it one pi●ce of Christs last will was to observe all that he commanded us To your fifth qu● That of Christ Mat. 18. 17 is spoken of a particular Church to whom he hath committed the power of censures and a● for the Parishioners that are not gathered into the Church the Church neither doth nor can exercise power over them they leave them to stand or fall to the Lord. And for members acting singly there is no such thing in Church worke but I am ready to bele●ve that the Compos●● of these Quaeries is not much acquainted either with the Principles and Practice of the Church way or with the mind of Christ Your sixth quaerie would perswade the world That it is onely your difference in ●udgement keeps you out when alas they that know you know it is your ●gnorance of the Lord Jesus and your loose conversations keep ●ou out aske no more Whether it be Mr. Welds care or kindnesse it is his faithfulnesse to Christ that keeps you out Your seventh quaerie is the same with the sixth only you aske further W●ether Mr. Weld his damning of you be matter of conviction Take heed his frequent plain and faithfull dealing with you in his Publick Ministry denouncing wrath to impenitent sinners doe not rise up in judgement against you Wi●l ye not heare the Law see that of Isay 30. 9. 10. 11. This is a rebelliou● people lying children children that will not heare the Low of the Lord. Which say to the Seers See not speake unto us smooth things To the eighth q●aerie Jesus Christ hath told you That his Ministers have power to bind and loose was it not usuall for the Apost●es to intimidate their prey as you scorners speake by declaring the greatnesse of the peoples sin and the wrath of God due to it Acts 2. 36. 37. 16. 30. to let people understand the authority Christ hath invested his Ministers with For your being lead into temptation there is no great fear of your having Mr. W●lds person in admiration who so vigorously sets himselfe against your sins To the ninth quaerie Mr. W●ld his naming the common multitude of the Parish loose S●ones was in reference to the dispensing of Priviledges which belong onely to the Church of Christ which is built up a spirituall house You still dreame He longs for your fixation in the Church over which he is a Pastour alas you would be burthensome Stones and Stones of offence in it never thinke that such unhewne stones are fit for Christs building or shall ever be acceptable to Mr. Weld or that Church To the tenth q●a●ie Know that Preaching the Gospel to the people is the great work he was sent to doe 1 Cor. 1. 17. The Commissioners at White hall doe not send men to give the Sacraments but onely to Preach leaving them to their light in the Lord as to other Administrations nay promiscuous Communion is an offence to them And for his mainten●n●e for Preaching the Gospel what sayes Paul 1 Cor. 9. 14. The Lord bath ordained that those which Preach the Gospel should live of the Gospel Besides your Consciences cannot but beare him witnesse that he faithfully declared at his first comming That he could not Administer till he saw you fit and this you all accepted of And for denying his Tythes you shew your spirits and affections towards him bu● the Law must be your Rule and not your Will To your eleveth quaerie It speaks much froath and Atheisme the Lord will one ●ay declare who are the Sheep and the Goats Reproaching of the goldy is the brand of scorners No matter whether any other Religion can make expiation for the failings of saints so the blood of Christ doe it but know that your revilings God takes notice of and scorners are the worst of sinners as Psal 1. 1. To the 12. If your irregular proceedings in your Offices make good men shake off your yoke thanke your selves whilst you doe cry up Saints for seemingly holy its sad you doe not so much as pretend to holinesse And whilst you compare others to Absalom consider who are the rebellious childr●n Isay 30. 10. whilst you strive to devest the good old man you● iniquities have found you out To the thirteenth Alas your land markes are usurpations ●●akes of your own fixing no plants engrasted by the Law and no marvell if they be so easily pulled up it s not fit such brambles should Rule that scratch and teare their Neighbours To the fourteenth To see an holy life and gu●sse at future hypocrisies shews little Christian Charit● he that begun a good worke in them will perfect it to the end Phil. 1. 6. Reader I have bin the shorter in Answer to the Quaeries because they are generally the former calumni●s raked up into Questions and here I might put many anti-quaeries Onely a word to the P●n●er before I take off my Pen. Friend If thou bee●● a Christian indeed I le assu●e thee this pleading for wickednesse to weaken the hands of a faithfull Minister of Christ and hearden the hearts of the prophane will cost thee much running to the B●ood of Christ and some teares before thou dyest The foule blots thou hast ca●t upon the Churches of Christ and Mr. W●ld must be washt out I assure thee If thou beest not a Saint then it had been better for thee that a mill stone were hanged about thy neck● and thou throwne into the Sea then that thou should offend not one but many little ones thou hast treasured up wrath against the day of wrath the Lord ●ay not this sin to thy Charge FINIS
Statute Lawes I wonder what Laws of 1 Edward 6. or 3 Edward 6. or 1 Elizabeth established Presbyterian Government which these men pretend so much to If you put these Laws in force you must have Bish●ps and Spirituall Courts and Common Prayer but Onions and Garlick will doe enough with these men And for the Scripture quoted to prove Ministers bound to give the Sa●raments to all the Parish Did ever the Apostles write to a Parish Church True the Sacraments are indeed annext to the Office of a Minister but to be dispenced onely to the Flock of Christ for that place of Mat. 28 19. it is onely for Baptisme not for the Lords Supper and not for Baptisme to all but to such as by ●eaching are first made Disciples as the Originall word hath it For Ma●ke 14. 22. it is for Christs giving the Supper onely to his Disciples Are these men and all the Parish such are they all of Christs Family and Disciples for A●ts 2. 41. another of their quoted Scriptures its spoken of Baptizing such as gladly received the Word O that these men and the Parish of Gateshead were such But is violent opposing the Word a glad receiving of it And for Titus 1. 7. its full against them for it tells us the Duty of a Minister to be as Gods Steward and if God● Steward he must be faithfull as 1 Cor 4. 1. 2. now faithfulnesse lyes in dispencing what provision is under his hand to such of the Family as Christ his Master commands Now to whom will Christ have the Sacraments dispenced why let himsel●e speake Mat. 7. 6. Mat. 15. 26. Mat. 14. 2● and let his Apostles speake Acts 2. 42. 1 Cor. 1. 28. really such horrible abuse of the Scriptures is enough to make them blush In this Section you have many fantasticall words pr●●entor despetically Pragmaticall modell but what is their plea That either Mr. Weld must give h●th the Sacraments to the Parish or else he acts contrary to the judgements of all Learned Divine and the Constitutions of all Christian Churches It pitties me to see hujus farina homin●s to talke at this rate were Dr. Ames Mr. Cotten Hooker Shepheard Owen Goodwin Burroughs c. neither Divines nor Learned nay ve●y many of the godly Presbyterian M●ni●●ers give the Lords Supper but to a few in a nu●erary Parish n●t to a hundred where there is a thousand in the Parish But M. Weld acts like the Phylar●ha amongst the Jewes Ans If you knew any thing of Church-government you would know That Congregated Churches are not modelled like Iewish Sa●h●d●im● Christ will one day cleare M. Weld of Prag●aticalnesse in distinguishing the pretious from the vile Ier. 15. 19. 3. The third Section pretends That unlesse they offer violence to their judgement● they c●nnot Communicate with master Weld or that the fault of their not comming under the yoke of Christ l●y onel● in their understandings But alas their co●●upt w●lls and carnall aff●ctions makes them cast the cords of Christ from them But they will not give up their Eyes to the Pri●sts in Sacrifice Truely I am so●e affraid ●●●y have Eyes and see not yet s●ch as they would doe well to give their Prie●●s their Eyes who if they had their wills would onely have blind guides howe●er they thinke to get a name by pretending respects to some gratious Pres●yterian Ministers Truely Friends you are so far from giving M. Weld your Eyes that I am afraid you would be more likely to p●●l out his Eyes if you could 4. In the fourth Section they have the said plea in other words O that they would a little think of that of Christ Ioh● 7. 17. If any man wi●l doe his will he shall know the Doctrine whether it b● of G●d mens vitious lives corrupt their judgements if their understa●dings be so good as they wou●d make the world beleeve I heartily wish their lives did expresse the truth of that axiome Volu●tus seq●itur dictamen int●llectus if quoad exercitium onely But master Mr. Weld quarrels because you cannot beleeve many things which he chanceth to beleeve No Friends you flatter your selves and wrong him his controversie is because you will not beleeve in Iesus Christ And for your saying Mr. Weld chanceth to beleeve how you chance to come by the faith you have I know not but I am perswaded Mr. Weld his faith is of the operation of God 5. As to the fifth Section where you would infinuate Mr. Weld his not obliging you to a complyance Mr. Weld his obligations have been many to the people of Gateshead but dis-ingenuous spirits strive to shake off obligations but what ever ung●atefull men thinke yet there are severall pretious ones in Gateshead who judge themselves for ever b●und to the Lord for his comming thither And for your shuffling interpretation of that command Live peaceably with all men lay that of Hosea to heart chap. 4. 4. This people are as they that strive with the Pri●st But they say the command extends but to a Morall or Legall possibility Friends are you Morally or Legally uncapable of peaceablenesse I● it not possible for you quietly to wa●te till the Lord fitted you for Sacraments by some effectuall worke upon your hearts and in mean time be peaceable 6. To your sixth Section you affi●me You have examined the grounds of the Congregationall way I beleeve your Conscience will fly in your face and tell you how li●●●e you have examined the mind of God in those things no I am afraid other things fill your heads and hearts If ever you intend to know the platforme of God First reade that of Ezeki●l with broken hearts chap. 43. 10. 11. 12. and does the engagement to Iesus Christ and his people deterre you from Communion I am sorry to see h●ly engagements affright you from obedience to Christ But Mr. Weld mad● no Publication of his gathering a Church Sure Friends the Penner of the Pamphlet who ●ver it was did not advise with you about it or else you could and would have told him That he Preacht at large and that Publikely in Gateshead meeting place upon Gen. 2. 41 42 43. and that before the gathering of the Church but here is not ignorantia pura negation is but prav● dispositiones I pray repent of this Yea But he retarded a great while before he gathered the Church Wonder not at it Churches of Christ are not made up of the rubb●sh of Parishes he would take time to know what stones were to be layd in the building Churches are not heaps but made up of pretious stones And for the bemoaning your stre●ghts it is but Gods hedging up your way that you cannot have your other lovers Hosea 2. 6. 7. 7. The seventh Section is filled with ignorance and malice Did Christ leave his Body and Blood to be ●od under so●t by prophane hearts Symbola Chr●sti were never intended for a Linsey Wo●sey Contesseration Mr. Weld is more
tender of the deare blood of his Christ and of poore soules then to let the people eate and drinke their damnat●on And for the ●●nful slanders o● the good wayes of God calling them a S●m●nary of Sch●sme c. this is th● old Popish a●arum ●gainst all Reformation And for your Monopoly I would desire you to learne That a Church is a City gathered out of the World with its spirituall Priviledges ap●rop●iated to it Ephes 2. 10. You close the Section with a very fal●e charge of Ambition and Covetous●esse as the Principles of Independency But his Friends know and his Ene●ies might know how many reproaches and what inj●ries in h●s maintenance h● hath suffered upon the naked account of gathering a Church in Christs way Surely he sate downe and considered what virulent and violent calumni●s he sh●uld meet with by following Christ in this way which he now finds 8. This eighth Section is f●ll of the Serpents venome and bitternesse The Violence and Oppression exercised towards him in p●int of maintenance might have st●pt the mouthe of those clam●●r● if it had been confidered And if the Church over which h● is Ove●-seer doe endeavour in his suffering upon their ac●●unts to encourage him in his multiplyed labours of frequent Exercises and Administrations let not your Eye be evill because theirs is good I wonder you should call gathering a Church out of a pr●miscuou● multitude plurality of Livings Doe not even the godly Presbyterians so Doe not many of them leave ou● the far greater number of the Parish If argumentum ad hominem would prevaile this might doe 9. Ninth Section Here appears much unmannerly reviling of a Reverend Minister of the G●spel whom you charge with personall contumacy Oh Friends Why hath Satan filled your Hearts But what 's the matter Mr. Weld will not breake Spiritualll Bread with the Parishioners Is this personall contumacy that he will not let the uncleane into the Temple That he will not let the Goats into the Fould of Christ But it break● the Peace of the generallity of the People We had better want peace then Crucifie the Lord Jesus afresh What! prostitute the Body of Christ to keep peace wirh profane men Reade Luke 12. 49 10. Tenth Section What Mr. Welds Call was you have at large declared to you which in truth was a good hand of Providence for the stopping of the mouthes of unreaso●able men And for their quoting the Statute of 13. Elizabe●h● they forget they professe themselves Presbyterians a thing Queene Elizabeth and her Councell could not beare Were the Lawes of Episcopall Administrations a bu●then to the non-conformists then and shall we be brought under those yokes now And for receiving the maintenance arising from ●he place he hath a warrant from Christ 1 Cor. ● 14 The Lord hath ord●ine● that they which Preach the Gospel sh●uld live of the Gospel But to Answer to the tenure of your Quaerie that he is bound to Administer the Sacraments then I ●ay there are upon twenty members of the Church who are Inhabitants of Gateshead to whom the Lord hath abu●dantly blessed his Ministery to whom he doth Administer and doth not he herein performe the spirituall ministrations in Gateshead But you charge him with an un●heologicall plea. I pray you give me leave to aske you foure Church-wardens whi●h of you have been Bapti●ed into the profession of Theology or matr●culated into any University but I am apt to thinke that you plowed with a Theologicall Heyfer who might have expounded this Riddle to you that not to give the Sacrament to all the Parish is no deprivation of a Ministers maintenance 11. Eleveth Section Here you have a fardle of fine spun words and an heape of rayling Know Friends That those that can neither make faith in Christ nor holinesse in conversation shall never goe notwithstanding their pretended wedding garment of Baptisme in the day of tryall for a Spouse of Christ I wish you remember That for all the Iewes pretence to bring a Church upon the account of an initiating Ordinance yet they were not let into the Church of Christ without pricking at the Heart by the Word Could Mr. Weld see you prickt at the Heart how deare and welcome would you be to him You tell him of Embro●ation Caustickes and Excision sure you would tell the world what Empericks you are but if you have any Latine remember That immedicabile vulnus anse reciden●um est And for his Excommunicating a thousand soules he professeth to have nothing to doe in point of censures with them that are without No no your being Parishioners of Ga●es●ead ●ath no Scripture warrant to make you members of a Church of Christ it is not habitation makes a Spouse of Christ How many Enemies of Christ lived in Ierusalem where the Church lived and were not members Shall Papists and Atheists pre●end because they dwell in Gat●shead to be Church-members That grosse untruth of there being but ten I●habitants in Gateshead members of his Church is fu●ly answered before 12. Twelfth Section Here you have the businesse of the L●cturer to be imposed upon Mr. Weld Let me a little open the unreasonablenesse of this Proposall let any gratious sober Minister of the Presby●erian judgement put but this case Whether he having gathered the best of the People of his judgement out of his Parish for Fellowship and Communion in the Lords Supper that if the remainder that lye still in their ignorance and opposition to whom he neither can nor will Administer the Lords Body should desire a Minister beside himselfe in that place to give them the Sacrament at the accustomed times as they here expresse it Whether I say he would thinke it reasonable that they had their desires this is Mr. Weld his case Secondly Looke but to the Assurance required about placing a Lecturer p. 5. where it is demanded that Mr. Weld give it under his hand never to meddle in the choyce or removeall of the Lecturer what ●v●r h● may prove Were there ever such Iron yokes put upon a Reverend Minister of Christ and yet what reproache● did Mr. Weld upon the sober reasoning in this case meet with as these mens hands I come now to examine the Quaeries onely first I beg a word to those that are looking after God in Gateshead and are not yet Church-members whom I know detest having any hand or consent in this sinfull Pamphlet I humbly desire God that the stumbling-blocke that these men have cast in their way may not in any manner prejudice their spirits against the Gospel To your first Quaerie I answer That Jesus Christ in his providentiall committing the care of soules to men doth not authorize the Minister to prostitute his pretious Body and Blood to the prophane and ignorant nor expects he should dispence priviledges to those that will not come under the yoke of Christ If Mr. Weld have faithfully revealed the whole counsell of God to the people of Gateshead