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A62014 The XXXVI questions propounded for resolution of unlearned Protestants in matter of religion to the doctors of the prelaticall pretended reformed-Church of England, retorted for resolution on unlearned papists in matter of religion, to V.H. and V.N. doctors of the pretended Catholick Church of Rome / by T. Svvadlin ... Swadlin, Thomas, 1600-1670. 1659 (1659) Wing S6228; ESTC R38289 40,246 62

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that our Saviour had appointed Pastors and Teachers till the day of judgement as a means to preserve Christian people from being carryed about with every wind of Doctrine cannot be understood disjunctively For then if those Pastors preserved them from being seduced in one onely point of Christian Doctrine it would not be true that they preserved them from being carryed about with every wind of Doctrine but they must be understood Conjunctively that is that they preserve them from being carryed away with any wind of Doctrine whatsoever which should chance to be buzzed into their Eares by false Teachers now seeing such winds of erroneous Doctrine are raised as well in points which Protestants account not fundamentall as in fundamentals the meaning of the Apostle then must be that by meanes of these Pastors Christians be preserved from following any Error in Faith whether it be fundamentall or not fundamentall and consequently that they can assuredly direct them to eschew all Errors in Faith which they could not do if they themselves were subject to teach them any Errors or seduce them by any winde of Doctrine whatsoever Seeing also that St. Paul in the same place Eph. 4.10 tells us that the said Pastors are to Consummate the Saints and to build up the Mysticall body of Christ I demand whether the Apostle by these words make not those Pastors able to secure Christian people from Error not onely in the Foundation as Protestants terme it but in superstructures also for otherwise they would have been instituted by our Saviour onely to found his Mysticall body the Church but not to build it up and to ground and initiate the Saints but not to Consummate them Sir Answ 21 whether your exposition of St. Pauls Text Eph. 4.14 be current or not is a Question if it be why may not the words be undestood disjunctively as well as conjunctively Your own Predecessors the Romanists thought so where they say upon these words the use of spirituall Governors not all Pastors and Teachers is to keep us in the Unity and constancy of the Catholick Faith that we be not carryed away with the blast and wind of every Heresie and there are Errors and windes of Doctrine besides Heresies which is a proper note of Sects and new Doctrine which trouble the infirme weaklings of this Church as sometimes the Arrians then the Manichees then the Nestorians then the Latherans and Calvinists and such like so the Rhemists they might have left the last out as being yet uncondemned of Heresie but you will have the words understood Conjunctively That the people be preserved from being carryed away with any wind of Doctrine whatsoever and if this be granted you what get you by it more then Turpe est Doctori for I pray what Pastors or Teachers have carryed about silly people with such windes and kindes of Doctrine as these That Christ descended onely in Limbum Patrum a higher part of Hell That some sinners go into Purgatory a side part of Hell That half a Sacrament is enough contrary to Christs Institution and the Catholick Churches practise for 1000. years That the intention of the Priest is of the essence of Baptism That worship is due to Images That there is a Transubstantiation a conversion of the Bread and Wine into the Body and Blood of Christ corporally I forbear a new Creed made at the no general or lawful Council of Trent and many more such winds of Doctrine wherewith you have carried about some souls To your other Text Eph. 4.10 and your demand upon it whether the Apostle by these words To consumniate the Saints and to build up the Mystical body of Christ make not those Pastors able to secure Christian people from error not onely in the foundation but in the superstructures also Sure I think not for the Apostle himself was enabled by God and so are all Pastors that do their duty conscientiously The Apostle onely tels the succeeding Pastors their duty and wo to them if they do it not he enables them not to do it If it should be answered Quest 22 that these and such like promises or institutions of Christ are onely conditional that is truly intended on his part but yet may be frustrated by the malice of such as correspond not to his intention and therefore though he intend that these Pastors should perform the said Offices in the Church yet that it involved this condition if they were not wanting on their parts but by their failing the institution of Christ is made frustrate and of no effect I answer to this prophane and unchristian Objection first that if Christs promises and institutions be thus inefficacious and conditional that notwithstanding the promises that Christ hath made for the preservation of his Church yet by the malice of Christians or others the whole Christian Church may utterly fail and come to nothing Secondly that it may erre even in fundamental points contrary to the Doctrine of Protestants and so become a Synagogue of Satan Thirdly that the ancient Promises of the coming of the Messias of the REdemption of Mankind of the saving of some at the last Judgement c. have no absolute certainty in them and so by the malice of men might have been or may be frustrated Fourthly that by this there is no certain credit to be given to any Promise or Institution of God or Christ in the whole Old or New Testament for a thousand different conditions may be invented which not being performed or put the prediction failes Thus one may say upon the like grounds that as the promises of benefits and blessings may be hindred by the malice and demerits of wicked persons so the threats thundrings of punishments upon sinners may be hindred by the vertues and good works of Saints and because we have no rule to know what proportion of goodness or malice is sufficient to frustrate such predictions we remain wholly uncertain whether they shall be absolutely verified or no unless therefore this principle be setled that all divine Institutions and Predictions are to be held absolute and never to be frustrated whensoever it is not evidently apparent that they are conditional and may be hindred there can be no certainty that any Institution or prediction in the whole Scripture shall be absolutely fulfilled Seeing therefore it is not evident that this institution Eph. 4. c. and others of the same nature concerning the Church are conditionall they are to be supposed to be absolute and not to be frustrated by any malice of men whatsoever Fifthly no Protestants who hold the whole visible Church cannot perish nor all the Pastors prove wilfull Seducers can apply this answer to the Text now cited viz. Eph. 4. c. for if it be hindered by the malice of the said Pastors they must with joynt consent maliciously teach false Doctrine to be the Doctrine of Christ which were to teach fundamentall Errors and to fall off from Christ If this
THE XXXVI QUESTIONS PROPOVNDED FOR RESOLUTION OF UNLEARNED PROTESTANTS In matter of Religion to the Doctors of The Prelaticall pretended Reformed-Church of ENGLAND RETORTED For Resolution of Unlearned PAPISTS In matter of Religion to V. H. and V. N. Doctors of the pretended Catholick Church of ROME By T. SVVADLIN D.D. Religio of●o vera quae Deo honorabilior quae paci amicabilior quae Homini favorabilior LONDON Printed by J. G. for the use of the Author MDCLIX THE XXXVI QUESTIONS PROPOUNDED FOR RESOLUTION OF UNLEARNED PROTESTANTS c. WHether every Christian is not obliged to chuse the safest way all things considered Quest 1 to Salvation Yes Questionlesse Answ 1 this Question is pious and must receive an affirmative Answer If the rest prove no worse we shall not 〈◊〉 long at odds Whether that way wherein both parties acknowledge Quest 2 that unlearned men may have possibility of Salvation though one of them say it be with difficulty and danger if they look not well to the Foundation be not prudently to be judged more safe for the unlearned then that which is esteemed safe by one onely patty and that incomparably lesse in Number but by the other incomparably greater party which equallizes the less in all respects requisite to gain Credit and Authority is constantly held to be utterly voide of all possibility of Salvation even for unlearned persons I wish you had not so soon forgot the piety of your first Question it is not Answ 2 it cannot be g●●nted that because the incomparably greater party Authoritatively spoken to take no notice of what follow●● 〈…〉 Salvation to any of the incomparably less number and that less number acknowledge a possibility of Salvation to the unlearned of the greater party it is therefore prudently to be judged more safe for the unlearned to make choyce of the greater number as the safest way to Salvation For first the incomparably greater number is a Multitude and therefore not the safest way to follow them For secondly the incomparably greater number may with the incomparably conceited Crowes think their own feathers whitest For thirdly your Argument thus retorts upon your self the incomparably greater number and the incomparably less number both confess Scripture to be infallible but the less deny the Pope to be infallible The like is confest of Faith to be a sure rule Tradition is denyed by one The old Creedes both grant a new one is denyed by us To worship God is confest by both but to worship Images or God by Images is denyed by us To trust in Christs Merits is confest by both but to trust in Mans own Merits is denyed by us To pray to God in Christs Name is confest by both but to pray to Saints or to God in the Name of Saints is denyed by us In the Sacrament of the Eucharist is confest by both a Sacrifice Commemorative but a propitiatory Sacrifice is denyed by us A reall presence we both grant but a Carnall we deny The Body and Blood by Institution and Primitive Observation we both acknowledge but an Alienation of the Cup we disclaim In the English Liturgy is no error say some of you in the Roman Missall are many say all of us and therefore by this Argument of yours it is by prudence to be judged more safe for the unlearned to chuse that way to Salvation which is confest by both then that which is conceived safe by one party onely i.e. yours I have been somewhat long upon this and yet must be a little longer because of your Marginall Note viz. Bishop of Cant. Sect. 35. p. 280. Whom you quote somewhat erroniously for he bids Marke it is but a possibility of Salvation he grants to silly souls in the Romish Church but a secure way he denies you and he backs it from St. Augustine Lib. 1. de Bapt. cont Don. ca. 3. Who judged it a great sin to prefer Incerta certis uncertaine and naked possibilities before an evident and certain course And there he gives you a taste too from your own Learned Card. Bellar. lib. 5. de Justif ca. 7. Tutissimum est and afterwards layes you and the Donatists together in this want of Charity amongst you or Charity mistaken by you and lastly desires you that you would not make us as malicious at least as rash as your selves in denying Salvation to some ignorant silly souls whose humble and peaceable obedience makes them safe among any part of men that profess the Foundation Christ let him that pleaseth read the whole thirty five Section and he will soon resolve which is the safer way yours or ours Whether this be not the present Case betwixt Protestants and those of the Church of Rome Quest 3 according to the acknowledgment of the latest and learnedest of Protestant Authors Bishop of Cant. ibid. They acknowledge the said possibility of Salvation for unlearned persons in the Roman and the Roman Doctors denying all possibility to unlearned Protestants so long as they remaine wilfully in the Protestant Religion Let it be the present Case betwixt us Answ 3 so you take the Restriction of the latest and learned'st Protestant Authors and particularly of that most Reverend Father in God and now with God because his Martyr and summe up your gaines There is a possibility and but a possibility of Salvation for unlearned Papists in the Church of Rome which argues our Charity There is no possibility for Learned or unlearned Protestants say you which argues your malice Cant. p. 285. Yes which likens and compares you with the Donatists The words of the same Archbishop Who galls you thus whether the Sacrament of Baptisme was true in the Catholick Church or in the part of Donatus The Donatists exhorted all to be Baptized amongst them why Because both parties granted that Baptisme was true amongst the Donatists which that peevish sect most unjustly denyed the sound part as St. Augustine lib. 1. Cont. Don. de Baptist ca. 3. delivers it I would aske now the Archbishops own words had not the Orthodox true Baptisme among them because the Donatists denyed it injuriously Now I say pray read the Archbishop on and put the truth into your eyes and tell the world if you see ere the worse Whether all unlearned Protestants Quest 4 who are sufficiently informed of what is heresaid are not guilty of a damnable neglect of their Salvation so long as they remaine Protestants and refuse to be of the Roman Church And why not Learned as well as unlearned Answ 4 certain 〈…〉 they would be in the deeper guilt if there were any 〈…〉 ther because Vivacity of Understanding striving 〈…〉 his own Light makes more guilty then simplicity of 〈…〉 ving can possibly do so possibility of Salvation for 〈…〉 ●●●ple man in the Roman Church there is but for a 〈…〉 man one that knowes the errors of the Church and 〈◊〉 know a great many there is not for ought I yet know so much as a possibility Yet