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A16832 A defence of the gouernment established in the Church of Englande for ecclesiasticall matters Contayning an aunswere vnto a treatise called, The learned discourse of eccl. gouernment, otherwise intituled, A briefe and plaine declaration concerning the desires of all the faithfull ministers that haue, and do seeke for the discipline and reformation of the Church of Englande. Comprehending likewise an aunswere to the arguments in a treatise named The iudgement of a most reuerend and learned man from beyond the seas, &c. Aunsvvering also to the argumentes of Caluine, Beza, and Danæus, with other our reuerend learned brethren, besides Cænaiis and Bodinus, both for the regiment of women, and in defence of her Maiestie, and of all other Christian princes supreme gouernment in ecclesiasticall causes ... Aunsvvered by Iohn Bridges Deane of Sarum. Bridges, John, d. 1618. 1587 (1587) STC 3734; ESTC S106910 1,530,757 1,400

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is to say by the commining betweene of the worde the thing otherwise by his nature appointed to a cōmon vse is made a Sacrament This therfore we wil haue to be vnderstood by the tearm of consecration Otherwise euen as Aug. saith of the water of Bapt. take the word from the baptisme what is the water but water So if thou takest away the word from the bread the wine it shal be nothing but bread and wine Now therfore we must search out what what maner a word that word is For some take this word to strictly some more at large than is meet They take it strictly which ouerpassing as wel the former as the later words of the institution haue deliuered that in these 4. words This is my body again this is my bloud the cōsecration is made as though by a certaine diuine vertue ingrafted in those words the substance of bread wine were changed striking out the other words to wit Take ye eat ye drink ye al of you as superfluous so far as to the force of transubstantiation doth pertain which they doe to this purpose that they might not be compelled to confes that the supper is common vnto all moreouer that they might not subscribe vnto this rule that nothing hath a reason of a sacrament without the vse by God instituted Howbeit other do ioyne the thankesgiuing and the prayers as though they also with the worde of the institution did make the sacrament that is did profite the consecration And indeede this is true that all this rite or ceremony is furnished with a solemne thankes-giuing and prayers especially concerning the sending of the sonne and of the purging of our sinnes made by him And the very wordes also of the institution are so to be rehearsed that both they should begin at thanksgiuing praier and also should end in the same euen as Christ the Lord hauing giuen thanks sayd this is my body and the supper being ended an himme being sung he went forth Moreouer we haue shewed that the sanctification should be made with thanks-giuing In the mean time we must know that the only wordes of the Institution and those entire do perfite the consecration Which being whole recited in the lawfull vse in which thankes beeing giuen and prayers being recited all things are done of the elemēt is made the sacramēt For of this word said Irenaeus when the Cup mixt the bread broken receiueth the word of God the Eucharist of the body and bloud of our Lord is made But that he vnderstandeth the only wordes of the Institution appeareth by that which he setteth vnder it that the earthly breade taketh the calling of God For it is the calling of God when God calleth the bread his body After the same manner Theodoretus in Atrepo that is in his Dialogue called immutable hee teacheth that our sauiour did honour or commend ●he visible signes with the appellatiō or calling of his body and bloud● ●ot that they ha● the same appellation or calling of nature but allonely of grace For so hee sayth 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 not chaunging the nature but adding grace vnto nature Nowe we vnderstande which and what manner wordes are the words of the Consecration to witte those same that are the wordes of the Institution But they againe are of two partes For some of them are the wordes of the Euangelistes of which sort are these Our lorde Iesus Christe in the same night that he● was betrayed tooke breade and sayde likewise he tooke the Cuppe after supper But some of the wordes are Christes owne words as are This is ●y body that is giuen for you take yee eate yee this is my bloud c Drinke yee all of this doe this in remembraunce of mee Those words to witte the Euaungelistes as Ambrose witnesseth lib. 4. cap. 5. De sacrament● are not onely recited as historicall but doe admonish as well the Ministers as the Communicantes what Christe did what agayne hee bad both of them to doe But these wordes serue to the consecration Now howsoeuer this alone doe throughly accomplish the consecration notwithstanding if the other to witte the Euangelistes wordes before rehearsed bee eyther omitted yea or indeede recited hystorically albeit the thinges are in very deede done which Christe did would haue to be doone the consecration is not made at all but eyther it is an historicall explication of the Mystery or rather it is a play and iest And thus farre concerning the consecration Which words of Hellopaeus if we shal well consider wee shall sée withall moste apparantly that howsoeuer the preaching of a sermon may do much good for the further opening of these mysteries and moouing of the hearers and participantes yet is it not any● substātial part of the sacrament or inseperable accident absolutely necessary thereunto and as it is thus of the Lordes supper so for the materiall and formall partes which are the Element and Worde of Baptizme To the same effect saith Beza in his Conf. cap. 4. Arti. 41. This change dependeth not of the recitall of any words as the sophisters and deceiuers deliuer foorth but of the ordinaunce of God comprehended in his word The word therefore that is the very institution of Christe as it is of the Euangelistes and Paul expounded is as it were the very life of the sacramentall signes because as in the word is declared vnto vs the water the Breade the Wine are made sacraments that is true signes and seales of those thinges which in the Worde are promised to vs and are truely signified by the same And againe We call the signe of baptisme sayth Beza cap. 4. artic 47. first of all Water then the substanciall ceremonies prescribed in the worde To the which we thinke it wickednesse to adde any thing or to take frō it that is to say the sprinkling of the water the stay vnder the water and the comming foorth out of the water c. We call the worde in baptisme the ordinance of Iesu Christ ioyned with the promise of eternall life whereof this is the forme Baptize yee in the name of the father of the sonne and of the holy Ghost whosoeuer shall beleeue and be baptized shall be saued If then in these 2. partes the whole substance of baptisme consist how are not they baptized where these 2. partes are although no sermon be preached at the action Albeit I know not how to reconcile Beza his wordes for this materiall part for ioyning all these thrée actions together with the element of water sprinkling of the water an abode or stay vnder the water the comming forth out of the water and that in none of these ought must be added nor diminished but that he will thinke it wickednesse For we rather thinke be the childe dipped in the water and that without any aboade or stay therein and much lesse to be helde any while vnder
accomplished those whom we call the Deacons giue a parte of the bread and of the cuppe alayed vnto euery one of them that are present ouer whome the thankes giuing was made and they suffer them also to carrie it to those that were absent And this foode is among vs called the Eucharist to the which none is admitted but he that beleeueth the doctrine to be true being washed with the washing for the remission of sinnes and liuing according as Christ hath taught For we receaue not these thinges as a common bread and a common cuppe but euen as by the worde of God being made fleshe Iesus Christ our Sauiour had flesh and bloud for our saluation so also by the woorde of prayer and the thanks giuing we haue learned the food being of him sanctified which being changed nourisheth our flesh and bloud to be the flesh bloud of the same Iesus Christ that was incarnate For the Apostles in their writinges that are called the Gospels haue deliuered foorth that Iesus thus commaunded them hauing taken bread and thanks being giuen he sayde doe this in the memorie of me This is my body Likewise hauing taken the cup and hauing giuen thanks he said This is my bloud and did communicate it only vnto them In these woordes wee plainely sée all the manner of the primitiue Church in the dayes of Iustine the Martyr about the hundred yeare after Christes ascention Concerning the administration of the Lordes supper without any sermon preached thereat But it followeth euen anon after of the administration also of the same with a Sermon or an Exhortation made at the participation thereof saying On the sunday are made assemblies of those that are of the Citie and of those that are of the Countrie where the writinges of the Apostles and Prophets are read before the reader then ceasing he that is placed our them maketh an exhortation prouoking them to the imitation of the thinges that are honest After this we all arise and offer vp prayers which being finished there is brought as I sayde bread wine and water Then he that is placed ouer thē so much as he is able offreth vp prayers thanksgiuings but the people singeth Amen Thereupon those things that are consecrated are distributed vnto euery one and sent vnto the absent by the Deacons The rich if it please them contribute euery one according to his will The collections are layde vp with him that is placed ouer them he succoureth the fatherlesse and widdowes and those that want by reason of sickenesse or other necessitie those also that are prisoners and trauelling strangers and in summe he is made the prouider of all the needie But these assemblies we make vpon the sunday c. Thus doe we sée at large the order of the primitiue Churche for the celebration of the Lordes supper both with-out and also with a Sermon or an Exhortation at the same If our Brethren reiect their orders because of some additions that they vsed or that the wordes of Iustine might sée me suspitious to sauour of the Popish errour of transubstantiation not onely the Magdeburgenses doe cleare the wordes of Iustine from that errour but Iustine cleareth him selfe both from that and from the errour of consubstantiation or carnall presence in the Sacrament For the former say the Magdeburgenses who not withstanding maintayne the latter The deuise of transubstantiation was also vnknowen vnto the Church of this age For although Iustine saye VVhich being changed nourisheth our flesh and bloud notwithstanding he onely looketh vnto and driueth it to that that hee may discerne or seuer this bread and this cuppe vnto the which commeth this worde of Christe from other vsuall meates and drinkes with which our bodies are nourished And as for consubstantiation this his sentence maketh lesse referring al the consecration to the spirituall and thankefull remēbrance of the death of Christ as he also doth disputing with Tripho the Iew saying this also ye know that the solemne oblation of the two goates in the time of the fast was not suffered to be done otherwhere thē at Ierusalem As neither the oblation of the meale or floure which was wont after the custome to be offered for thē that were clensed from the leprosie signifying figuratiuely the bread of the Eucharist which for the memory of his passion cleansing the soules of men from all sinne our L. Iesus Christ hath deliuered to thē that come after to the intent that in the meane time wee should giue thanks vnto God both for the world created for man with other thinges that are conteyned therein and also for the redemption wherewith he deliuered vs from sins the principalities and powers being vniuersally vanquished according to the diuine counsell Thus doth Iustine acquit himselfe sufficiently of those errors As for the water mingled with the wine and the sending these sacramentall signes vnto the absent whereof afterward came great corruption and superstitions we say as Aretius doth thereon Concerning the reason of the mingling wine and water it seemeth vnto me probable because that making the supper of the Lord in a common banquet they also dranke more largely not sipping as at this day it is the manner And therefore that the wine by it selfe being strong should the lesse hinder them water was put vnto it Which we see also at this day to be done in common banquetes that the noble wines are mingled The place 1. Cor. 11. makes mee thus to thinke where manifestly hee teacheth that the abuse of the Lordes house beganne euen then to take holde insomuch that manie were drunke in that loue feast Thus sayeth Aretius for the originall of the water mingled with the wine And as for the sending to the absent hee sayeth Fourthly a portion of the supper was also sent to them that were absent the which was doone without superstition a token of friendshippe and of vnion in doctrine and in their whole profession euen as wee haue rehearsed before out of Eusebius that it was done at Rome neither is here any mention made of any merite or of any passeport exhibited to those that were about to die To conclude sayth Aretius on this practise of the primitiue Churche next after the Apostles hereunto came mutuall exhortations to cōcord and constancie in faith and profession that this might be a certain stipulation and obligation that they should be constant in Christianitie whatsoeuer fortune at the length should happē vnto them These things in our action may almost all of them be declared First in the publike assembly which is a shewe of a publike banquet Then the like oblation is of vs obserued the wordes of the institution are recited and to God the father is pronounced prayse and glorie The mingling of wine and water we haue not for it is no part of the institution neyther haue our wines neede of mingling as the orientall wines haue neyther doe wee drinke
vnto vs it is altogether one with vs and wee with him c. Héere againe he maketh another kinde of preaching which he saith is the Lorde him-selfe in steede of a moste effectuall exhortation to witte the communicating of his body vnto vs. And this preaching againe God be praysed we haue in the Ministration of this sacrament Nowe héereupon hée commeth to the thirde kinde of preaching at this sacrament sayth Sect. 36. From hence is best of al confirmed that which otherwher I said that the right administration of the sacrament is contained i● the word For what profite soeuer commeth into vs out of the supper requireth the word Whether we are to bee confirmed in fayth or to be exercised in Confession or to bee stirred vp to our duty there is need of preaching Nothing therefore can be done more preposterous in the Lordes supper then if it be turned into a mute or dumb action the which thing was done vnder the tyranny of the Pope For they wold haue all the force of the consecration to hang vppon the sacerdotall Priestes intention as though this appertayned nothing to the people to whome this mystery ought moste of all to haue bene layde open And heereupon was this error bred that they marked not those promises where-with the consecration is made not to bee directed to the elementes them-selues but vnto those that doe receiue them truely Christ speaketh not vnto the breade that it shoulde be made his body but he biddeth his Disciples eate and to them hee promiseth the communicating of his body and his bloude Neither doth Paule teache another order then that together with the breade and the Cuppe the promises shoulde bee offered to the faithfull Thus certainely it is Here it becommeth not vs to immagine any magicall incantation that it might bee enough to haue murmured vp the wordes as though they were hearde of the elementes but wee shoulde vnderstande those wordes to bee a liuely preaching that edifieth the herers that pierseth into their minds that is imprinted and sitteth in their heartes that may bring foorth an efficacie in the fulfilling of that that it promiseth By these reasons it is euident that the reseruing or laying vp of the sacrament which some vrge to be extraordinarily distributed to the sicke is vnprofitable For eyther they shall receiue it without reciting of the institution of Christ or els the Minister shall ioyne together with the signe the true explication of the mystery In silence is an abuse and vice If the promises bee rehearsed and the mistery declared so that those that are to receiue shal receiue it with fruit there is no doubt but that this is a true consecration Thus saith Caluine of this third kind of preaching Now if this be as hee saith a true consecration where the wordes are not muttered to the element but spoken to the Communicants the mystery laid forth before them and the promises recited and that wee must vnderstande those wordes of Christe to be such a liuely edifying and effectuall kinde of preaching all which are so clearely set forth whensoeuer this sacrament is of any Minister with vs celebrated can our brethren say that here wanteth the ministration of preaching the word so much as is necessary and sufficient to make a true consecration of the sacrament True it is that when Caluin comes to the ful conclusion of this treatise he reckons vp a fourth kind of preaching sect 70. Concluding thus So farre as pertaineth to the holy supper it mought thus moste decently be administred if that most often and at the leaste euery weeke it were set forth vnto the Church But the beginning should be made with publike prayers after which a sermon should be had than the Minister the bread wine being set forth on the table shoulde reherce the institution of the supper Then should he declare the promises which are left vnto vs in the same And withal he should excommunicate all those that by the Lordes forbidding are put backe Afterwarde prayer should be made that with what benignity the Lorde hath giuen vnto vs this holy nourishment he woulde also enstruct and frame vs with faith thankfulnes of mind to receiue the same And sith that we be not of our selues he wold of his mercy make vs worthy of such a banquet But here either the psalmes should be song or somewhat read and the faithfull shoulde communicate of this holy foode in such order as is seemely the ministers breaking the breade and deliuering it vnto the people The Lordes supper being done an exhortation shoulde be had for sincere faith c. Thus doth Caluin write of al the order that he wold haue obserued in the administration of the Lords supper Nowbeit he prescribeth it not to any Church but onely saith it mought be thus administred moste decently And although hee mention that a sermon should be had before it and an exhortation after it séeming to make some difference betwéene them yet whether such a sermon or exhortation may be had as if a preacher want may be of the Minister red vnto the people of anothers making that he doth not expresse Nor yet whether the preacher or reader of the same must alwayes be the partie that ministreth the sacrament So heere is also nothing set down but that we already haue in vse his wordes being thus vnderstood except the excommunicating of all those that by the Lordes forbidding are put back Neither doe wee thinke it necessary that either excommunication should be then vsed or that all those should be excommunicated that by the Lords forbidding are put back from this supper For so euery one that is not in charity with his neighbors shold forthwith be excommunicate But sith Caluin so modestly in these things onely telleth what he thinketh mought be a most comely manner of the administratiō preiudicating no other reformed churches let Geneua with good leaue of vs follow this order And let vs in Gods name follow our Communion Booke which me thinkes both conteineth the most and chéefest of all these things and in a farre more decent order for our state Yea the booke of the orders of Geneua maketh the Deacons also ministers of the cup and why not aswell of the Breade and of all both partes as well as of one and yet they wil not permit them to be Preachers Musc. in his cōmon places De coena domini vpon this title by whome the Supper of the L. shold be administred with the like modestly that Caluin saith on this wise I know that this is the custome in some churches that the ministers of the word exercise the place of the prophets doctors in the mean time they leaue the administration of the sacraments to the parish preests curates of the people as they tearm them with the deacons Notwithstanding that custome ought not to preiudicate other churches in which the dispensers of the
sacraments are the same that are the dispēsers of the word so that they execute both the parts of the ministery Otherwise it shold be cōuenient that according to the saying of the apostles act 6 they shoulde apply them-selues to praiers administring doctrine leauing the ministery of the tables Seeing that many mo may be had that can dispense the sacraments than those which can rightly cut sound doctrine in the church By which testimony of Musc by the very order prescribed euen in Geneua It plainly appeareth that not only in these reformed Churches many are admitted to minister the Sacr. that are not able to preach but that also this was the vse of the primitiue Church in the apostles times Which ouerthrows al that our breth haue hereon alleaged Neither helpeth it to say that yet stil this taketh not away but that there should be preaching vsed at the administratiō of the sacramēt thogh the minister of the sacramēt be no preacher For our breth said the administration of the sacramentes ought to be committed to none but vnto such as are preachers of the worde c. pag. 60. But for this that they say here also It is no better then sacriledge to seperate the ministratiō of preaching of the worde from the sacramentes so harde a spéeche following Musculus procéeding with the minister of this Sacrament though hée bée no preacher of the worde yet he requireth in him such a competency as hath a triple respect both to the person that he sustaineth and of the matter that he administreth and of the people to whome he communicateth After he hath shewed for the first part howe he shoulde be no lewd person but sober and vertuous comming to the secōd respect in him he saith Furthermore hee ministreth it competently if hee haue a consideration of those thinges which hee dispenseth and doe worthily frame himselfe vnto them Hee dispenseth the communicating of the bodye and bloude of Christe The breade which wee breake saith the Apostle Is it not the communicating of the body of the Lorde And the Cup of the blessing ouer which wee blesse is it not the communicating of the bloude of the Lorde 1. Cor. 10. Thus therefore shall hee competently administer this sacrament that it may be a communicating not that it shoulde be a holy priuate thing He dispenseth the remembrance of the Lorde or as Augustine in a certaine place speaketh the sacrament of memory This shall he do competently if he shall adioin vnto the mysticall communicating the shewing forth of the L. death according to the worde of the Apostle who sayth so often as ye eate this bread and drink of the Cup yee shewe foorth the Lordes death till he come For so did hee ordaine this custome in the Church of the Corinthians It is not fit that it should be a dumb communicating Either let some thing be read before the people or bee sung concerning the historye of the death of the Lorde as it is begun to be done in very many churches in our age Hee dispenseth the Euchariste he Euchariste is a giuing of thankes and a sacrifice of prayse Let him therefore haue a care that this holy communion may be closed vp with publike giuing of thanks He dispenseth the loue feast that is the banquet of brotherly loue It is meete therfore that a cleare exercise of Christian loue and mutuall communicating shoulde bee adhibited Vnto the which hee ought not onely with exhortations in the act it selfe to enstruct and accustome them but also with constitutions of a certaine order These are the principall thinges of which the dispenser of the Lordes table ought cheefely to haue a care and consideration whereby hee may apply him-selfe competently vnto this sacrament The third respect is of the people communicating which the more simple ruder they are so much the simplier must the minister speake of the mystery of the Lordes supper that he may apply him-selfe to their capacity But he must by all meanes take heede of those two vices that entrap the people to witte superstition and contempt Superstition least the people worship and adore that for the thing it selfe that is the signe thereof contempt least they sticke onely in the breade and Wine not discerning the body and bloude of the Lorde and therefore contemne it vnderstanding nothing beyond the iugdement of the eyes because by sight and taste they perceiue it to bee bread and Wine Such a point did Augustine giue warning of in his booke of Catechizing the rude in the ninth chapter where he saith thus Concerning the sacrament that they shall receiue it sufficeth for those that are more prudent to heare what that thing signifieth but with the duller sort it must with more wordes and similitudes be treated vpon least they contemne that which they see These thinges wrot he To conclude hee must take heede that hee swerue not either to the Corinthians or to the papists in this cause of the Lordes Supper And to the entent that the people not onely with the hande and mouth but with faith and heart may receiue that which is giuen let him declare all thinges that are to bee spoken in the vulgare and vsuall tongue not onely the exhortations but also the wordes of the Lordes institution the Prayers also and the thankesgiuing whereby the people may vnderstand all and in their heart assent thereto according to the Apostles admonition 1. Cor. 14. Thus wée sée how although the Minister be no preacher but beeing a discreete and vertuous man in all these foresaide respectes and obserue these exhortations which are both plentifully set out in Homilies and in the Communion Booke it selfe and the other thinges here noted in such order as the communicantes may vnderstande and beléeue the same although there bee no other sermon preached yet is the Sacrament truely and effectually administred Neyther can these thinges with the residue that he setteth downe bee vnderstood for the onelie action of a Preacher confessing and allowing that manie Ministers not Preachers may minister this Sacrament and yet in euery one that ministreth the same al these thinges are requisite For what is plainer than this argument out of Musculus sayinges Musculus thinketh and prooueth that it is not necessarie that euery one which administreth the Sacraments should be a Preacher and preach at the ministration of them But Musculus thinketh and prooueth it necessarie that all thinges ought to bee done by the minister at the Ministration of them which here he reckoneth vp Therefore Musculus thinketh and prooueth that all these thinges might bee done of one that is no preacher and without a sermon then preached of these matters If our Brethren wil denie the maior for the minor I thinke they wil not I referre them to Musculus and his reason out of Actes 6. and to the reformed Churches that hee meaneth It sufficeth for vs to prooue both by him and by
were with the whiche his Chilyde that was borne was slayne His conscience misgaue this guiltinesse of his crimes long agoe For this cause hee made sure reckoning that hee shoulde not onelye bee called oute of the Presbyterye but also excommunicated and the Brethren vrging it the Daye of his triall approched in the which before as his cause should be handled if that the persecution had not come before it Which hee taking holde of with a certaine kinde of vowe that hee might escape and saue his condemnation committed and intermixed all these thinges as hee which was to bee cast out of the Church and excluded preuented the iudgement of the preestes by his voluntary departing as though to haue preuented the sentence were to haue escaped the punishment By this inuectiue of Cyprian it is not onely moste apparant that this Elder Nouatus was a Minister of the word and sacraments but that also these consistories or colleges of Elders in such great cities as Rome Carthage that with the Bishops were assistants in the gouernmēt of the Ecclesiasticall Discipline were not of such Elders as medled not with the worde but were of such Presbyters Preestes or Elders as were also called sacerdotes Which in the Epistle before this that Beza next citeth is called of Cyprian the corpse of the Preestes Lib. 3. epist. 13. Where after againe he hath inueighed against this Nouatus whome there hee calleth Nouatian he saith for therefore moste deere Brother the corpse of the Preestes is aboundant coupled together with the glue of mutuall concord and bonde of vnity that if any of our college shall attempt to make an heresie and to rende and waste the flocke of Christe the other shoulde helpe and as profitable and mercifull pastors shoulde gather together into the folde the Lordes sheepe And thus by the occasion of this one Scismaticall Elder wee finde not onely a profitable warning for vs all to take héede of making schisme in the Church vnder pretence of greater purity and innouating newe orders of more seuere Discipline but also which is the point we now relie vpon that these Colleges of Elders whose counselles the Bishops vsed in the Gouernment of the churches discipline were colleges of pastorall Elders But to search it yet further with Beza let vs procéede vnto his next quotation Epist. 14. euen the next Epistle to that we last cited although wée haue partly séene the same already for the superiority of Bishops ouer pastorall Elders Wherein Cyprian writeth to the Elders and Deacons as before The occasion was because they admitted some to the supper of the Lord and to the peace of the Church who had fallen in the time of persecution and had not before their receiuing publikely confessed their offence and declared their vnfeyned repentaunce Whereupon sayth Cyprian I haue long helde my patience most deare Bre. as though our shamefaste silence should gaine quietnes But when the immoderate and cutted presumption of some endeuoreth by their rashnes to disturbe both the honour of the Martyrs and the shamefastnesse of the confessors and the tranquillitie of the whole people I must not holde my peace anie longer least too much silence growe to the daunger both of the people together and of our selues For what daunger of offending the Lord ought we not to feare when as some of the Elders neither mindefull of the Gospell nor of their place neither thinking of the iudgment of the Lorde to come nor of the Bishop that now is placed ouer them claime all to themselues with the contumely and contempt of their gouernor Which thing was neuer done at all vnder our auncestors Yea would to God they claimed not all thinges to them with the ouerthrowe of our Brethrens saluation I can winke at and beare the contumely of our Bishopricke as I haue alwayes winked at it and throughly borne it But there is now no place of winking at it when as our Bretherhood is beguiled by certaine of you who while without the reason of restoring them to saluation are desirous to be plausible they doe rather hinder such as are fallen For that it is a most hainous offence which persecution compelled to be committed euen they also doe knowe that haue committed it when as the Lorde and our iudge hath sayde He that shall confesse me before men I will acknowledge him also before my father which is in heauen But he that shall denie me I will also denie him And againe All sinnes shal be forgiuen to the sonnes of men yea blasphemie but he that shall blaspheme against the holy Ghost shall haue no forgiuenesse but is guiltie of aeternall sinne Againe the blessed Apostle sayde ye can not drinke the cup of the Lorde and the cup of Diuels ye can not communicate at the table of the Lord and at the table of Diuels Hee that concealeth these thinges from our Brethren beguileth the misers as though that they which truely repenting them might satisfie vnto God the father for mercie by their praiers workes shold be seduced that they might perish the more And those that might erect themselues might the more fall For when in lesser sinnes the sinners declare themselues penitent at a iust time and come to the confession of their sinnes according to the order of discipline and by the laying on of the Bishops and the Clergies handes they receaue the right of communicating they are now in the rawe time of the persecution yet continuing the peace of the Church it selfe being not yet restored admitted to the communicating and their name is offered vp and hauing not done their penitence their confession of their sinnes being not yet finished nor the hand either of the Bishop or of the Clergie being as yet layde vpon them the sacrament of thankesgiuing is giuen vnto them When as it is written He that shal eate the bread or drinke the cup of the Lord vnworthily shal be guiltie of the bodie and bloud of the Lorde But now are not they guiltie that knowe not the lawe of the Scripture but they are guiltie that are the Gouernours and doe not declare these thinges vnto their Bretheren that they beeing instructed of their Gouernours might doe all thinges with the feare of God and with the obseruation giuen and prescribed of him Moreouer they cause the blessed Martyrs to be enuied and set at strife the glorious seruauntes of God with the Prieste of God that when as they that are mindefull of our lawe shall haue directed their letters to me and shall haue requested that the desires of euerie one may be examined and the peace to bee giuen when as our mother her selfe shall haue first by the Lordes mercie receiued peace and that the diuine protection shall haue brought you againe vnto the Churche these men taking awaye the honour which the blessed Martyrs which the Confessors keepe vnto vs contemning the lawe and obseruation of the
the Trinity the cōmunicating of his body and bloud and if there bee anye other thing that is commended in the Canonical Scriptures Those things excepted which burdened the seruitude of the old people according to the congruence of their hart and of the prophetical time and which are redde in the fiue bookes of Moyses But those things that are not written but that being deliuered we keepe which are indeede obserued throughout the whole worlde are giuen to be vnderstoode that they are to bee retayned as either of the Apostles themselues or of plenary or general Counsels whose authority is moste hole-some in the Church they are commended or decreed vpon As that the passion of the Lord and the resurrection and the ascension into heauen and the comming of the holy Ghost from heauen are celebrated And if any suche other thing shall occurre which is kept of the vniuersall Church whither soeuer it spreade abroad it self As for other things which are varied by Coastes of Countries and by regions as is that that other fast on the Satterday and other not other euery day communicate the body and bloude of the Lord other doo receaue but certaine daies somewhere no daye is left of in which there is not an offering made somewhere on the Satterday onele and the Lordes daie somewhere onely on the Lordes day And if any such other like thinge may bee noted this whole kynde of things hath free obseruations Neither any discipline in these thinges is better to a graue and prudent Christian then to do after that sort after which he shall see the Church doe unto the which he shall happen to come For that which is enioyned neyther againste the Faythe nor yet againste good manners is to bee holden indifferentlye and to be kept according to the company of them among whom men liue So that according to this fatherly aduice and sounde iudgement of S. Augustine conferred with these and other circumstances for the vniting of this name Bishop vnto one more peculierly then to other his fellowe brethren it being neither against the faith nor against good manners though there had beene no mention at all thereof or of that whiche might inferre it in the Scripture and though diuerse Countries had one custom of Gouernement and we another yet were not ours to be disobeyed but straungers comming to vs are to conforme themselues as occasion requireth to ours and muche more our selues not to despise the same But nowe it beeing suche an vniuersall order that it hath al-waies continued euen from the Apostles times and all ouer the Churche in euerye place without alteration nor any age or people haue beene knowen or can bee named in al Christendome where this pretended equality since the Apostles times hath beene maintayned but that there haue bene Bishoppes good or bad that haue beene superiors thoughe not in the office of their Order yet in the office of their Dignitye albeit wee could not shewe in the expresse scripture the time the place the manner of the institution beginning thereof yet maye we safely with S. Augustine conclude that it was not nor could be done without the Apostles Especiallye when wee can shew as we haue showed euen in the plain words of the Scripture the verye matter it selfe not among Priestes in the old Lawe among whom they had an highe Priest ouer them and all the Leuites Princes and Rulers of the Leuites as our Bretheren reason from the Prophesie of Esay that God would take of the Gentiles to be Priestes and Leuites to fulfill this Prophesie by proportions of our Pastors and Doctors but wee stande for the originall practise of it on the manifest examples in the newe Testament The Apostles and that not in respect they were Apostles for so they were sent abroad and not resiant in a place but as they were resiant so Pastors had some higher then the residue some that were Pillers and chiefe among them And like-wise had the other brethren 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 those that were guides and Rulers among them And Timothie the Pastor of the Churche at Ephesus as Caluine saith was the chiefe Ruler saith Beza of all the Pastors there Yea the verye plaine subscription of the Epistle it selfe calleth him plat and plaine The firste Bishop of Ephesus Sithe therefore both the gift of this superior dignity and the application of the name had such auncient originall in the Apostles times when it began had such vrgent occasions where it sprang had such godly purposes where-to it tended had such plausible allowance and authority of all the worlds decreeing to confirme it among whome I hope at least were some good men And lastly sithe it hath had such vniuersall and continuall practise of it among whom also such a multitude of holy learned fathers haue taken them this peculier title and superiority shall we now yéeld to Beza his procéeding on this example Phil. 1. That this was the chiefe occasion of all the mischiefe following Here-upon saith Beza began the Diuel to lay the first foundation of his tirannie in Gods church as though all the administration of the Churche were together with the name trāslated vnto one All this and that which followeth in Beza hereupon be it spokē with al dutiful reuerēce to so worthy a man vnworthy affection with in these matters to be so caried away is vnnecessary collected on the sequele here-of howbeit directly indéed no sequel at all True it is that of any neuer so good a thing the Diuell indirectly may pick occasion to worke mischiefe But that can-not be properly avowed that it commeth from thence For as S. Iames saith doth a fountaine send out at one place sweete water and bitter and directly as Christ saith a good tree bringeth forth good fruits If therfore so good an actiō done for so good purposes haue not had so good a sequell it is not to be imputed to the matter but to other ill occasions afterwarde When the good housholder had sowed wheate the enuious man on occasion of the seruaunts sleeping sowed Darnel When God had sent Christe into the worlde to be the corner stone of the building by the occasion of mans malice he was called and was indéede to many the stone of offence and stumbling But what of that shall wée take offence also or conclude that Christe is not the God of peace and loue because warre and discorde followes while Sathan stirres occasions to make sects and diuisions where the Gospell is preached and receaued if that were proued to be the very necessary and proper occasion and those euils following to be the direct natural sequeles it were a good argumit ab effectis otherwise on euery accident you may condemne all thinges But all this runnes on this supposal that the whole administration of the Church together with the name is heereby translated vnto one If this sequele did consequently followe then indéed
himself to preach nor there be any other preacher present yet the verie forme which the Cōmunion booke prescribeth vnto him is so plainly and pithily set downe to expresse all the institution the vse the fruites and the endes thereof with the dutie of the worthy receauers with the danger to the vnworthie so dreadfully terrifying these and so comfortably animating the other and in all pointes so liuely shewing foorth the death and passion of our Sauiour Iesus Christ that no man can iustly say but that as Christ biddeth Do this in remembrance of me we doe the same thing in remembrance of him and as S. Paule expoundeth this remembrance to be the shewing forth of the Lordes death so the Lordes death is shewed foorth both by the action of the minister and with all by the action of the faithfull people And so well shewed foorth that if the onely forme of our Communion booke be of the minister duly obserued and of the participantes religiously considered they shall no doubt though there be no other sermon preached both truly and worthily participate the holy communicating of the Lordes body and his bloud And yet commonly at the receauing of these blessed mysteries if there be no sermon preached there are other both godly and learned homilies appointed to be reade which are sermons also and serue especially for that purpose if the people be negligent in communicating or criminous in life or vnskilful in the vnderstanding of the necessary points belonging to these mysteries to encourage to perswade and to enstructe them Neither yet haue we these as so content herewith but that wee thinke it also very expedient if it may be had that at this action beside the forme prescribed a godly learned preacher were also the shewer foorth of the Lordes death and of the other mysteries conteyned in this sacrament But this so strict necessitie of our Brethren we sée is euidently here confuted and namely that they say by these testimonies it is euident that the administration of the sacramentes ought to be committed to none but vnto such as are preachers of the worde that are able to teach them that they baptize that are able to preach the mysteries of Christes death to them to whome they doe deliuer the outwarde signe thereof But by the way what meane they by these words able to teach speaking of Baptisme and able to preach speaking of the Lorde supper Is the former habilitie to teach an habilitie of the Doctors Who they say cannot exhort nor apply c. which are especiall pointes requisite in a preacher If it be then here is ministring of the sacrament without preaching Except they will say the Doctors can not minister the sacramentes But then againe must they reuoke these wordes on the other side of the leafe pag. 59. It is euident that whom God hath instituted to be minister of the worde him also hee hath made to be minister of the sacramentes These euidencies agrée not well together Especially this other for the preacher expounding this shewing foorth the Lordes death for preaching For by this construction of our Brethren as we haue alreadie séene all the people should be Preachers Where before they saide and that more truely pag. 58. no man may take vpon him any office in the Church but he that is called of God as was Aaron Hebr. 3.4 If they say they meane not here preaching in his proper sense and as it is a function peculiar to the minister of the worde and sacramentes why then doe they bring it in Or for what preaching all this while doe they pleade and alleage these testimonies For such as all the people may doe and must doe as well as they But because in all these spéeches they driue it still to this that he should be able what meane they hereby One that can preach if néede so require but neuerthelesse he alwayes doth not For it followeth not à posse ad esse If they meane so then may the sacrament be administred as with a Sermon so without a Sermon Neither is the preaching a sermon any part of the sacramentes substance nor any accident thereunto of mere necessitie though of the more conueniencie but the remembrance shewing foorth the Lords death is one of the chiefest and the most substantiall parte of this sacrament therefore the remembrance and shewing foorth of the Lordes death and the preaching of a sermon are not all one Yea to come to the abuses that Saint Paule reprehendeth in the Corinthians to whom he wrote these wordes by our Brethren cited For as we haue heard out of Musculus that in these wordes he spake as though hee desired these thinges in them because they did not shewe forth the Lordes death in this mysticall and memoriall supper Nowe although it followe not they had no preaching vnderstanding preaching in his proper sense at the administration of the Lordes supper therefore they had no remembrance or shewing forth of the Lordes death because non sequitur à specie ad genus negatiuè yet this followeth necessarily à genere ad species they had no remembrance nor shewing foorth of the Lordes death at the administration of the Lordes supper therefore they had no preaching thereat And yet had they preaching often at other comminges together whereof Saint Paule treateth afterwarde chap. 12. and 14. But Saint Paule reproouing their abuses and héere reckoning them vppe particulerly that they had dissensions and were not in charitie when thy came together to this action ver 18. that they tooke their own suppers before ver 21. that one came hungry another came dronken ver 21. that they shewed not forth the Lordes death ver 26. that they examined not themselues ver 28. that they discerned not the Lordes body ver 29. that vpon the examination of themselues they iudged not themselues ver 31. that they tarried not one for another ver 33. to conclude and that which summarily he put first of al ver 20. that when they came together into one place they made such a super of it as whereof the Apostle sayth this is not to ea●e the Lords supper S. Paule now reckoning vp all these faultes among them at the administration of th●s sacrament and this being as our Breth say so necessarie a matter is there any probabilitie but that hee also particularly would haue reproued them for this that they had no sermon preached among them at this action Which in all these corruptions had béene very néedefull and might haue refrayned them from these abuses if their preachers had not also béene corrupted as it likely that they were which suffered among them such foule abuses But if preaching had béene so necessarie at that instant no doubt he would haue touched the neglect of that also especially mentioning the shewing foorth of the Lordes death to be principally required at their eating and drinking in the Lordes supper But the faultes of their
and enricheth the word wherby the word becōmeth effectual to animate enrich the element without ascribing vertue to the bare word Is it not thē of sufficient vertue to baptize clense the infant whē besides the element of water these words In the name of the father of the sonne of the holy Ghost that Christ hath cōmāded those to vse which are his ministers appointed therunto besids the promise there declared of washing away our sinnes of newnes of life and that we shal be saued which promise where Gods spirite worketh by his worde is annexed to the element is not all this sufficient and effectuall to baptise an infant except a sermon also heereof be made at his baptisme Nay though he that were to be baptized were of ripe yeares to heare vnderstand and beleeue all these thinges yet sithe that he is not to be on a suddaine baptized before he be catechized in a sufficient vnderstanding and beleeuing both of all the mysteries of that sacrament and of all the necessary articles of our Christian faith shall wee say that euen then when such a one should come to be baptized hee must haue also a sermon made vnto him at the celebrating of this sacrament or else the element of water is but a worldly a dead a beggerly element and the word neuer so plainely pronounced is but a magicall murmuring And what if there be yet besides al this a godly and learned forme also most plainely expressing all the pointes conteyned in that mysterie and that all the couenant betwixt God and vs be so fully expressed that the best preacher in the worlde cannot in effect say more and all this so clereset out that all of vnderstanding may vnderstande it shall it yet be saide that the element is héere dead and beggerly and separated from his life and spirituall riches And all this haue we besides godly learned homilies and many other sermons set out for that purpose yet all this will not serue our Breth without a sermon preached at that instant And for the supper of the L. haue not wee likewise most pithie godly exhortations before we approch vnto it with prayers and thankesgiuing and publike confessions the whole institution also layd foorth before vs when we come thereto And the wordes of Christ not vsed with a magicall murmuring nor any such vertue ascribed to the wordes but all to Christ the instituter and to the vertue of his death and passion whom and whose passion we recorde and take the elements with the word in remēbrance of him of his body giuen for vs of his bloud shed for vs shew foorth his death by this action feeding by faith in our harts on his flesh and bloud as effectually truly in spirituall manner as our bodies féede on those bodily elements and that hereunto these elements are cōsecrated as holy liuely signes pledges to confirme our faith relyin at 〈◊〉 the promise of the same our Sauiour that by eating his fleshe drin●●ng his bloud we shal haue life euerlasting And all this is clearely set out euē as it is conteyned in the scripture gathered together in so excellent disposed a forme as all the world cannot amende nor is inferiour to any of our Brethrens formes Yea all thinges considered our forme is farre more conuenient for vs than is any of theirs to enflame confirm our faithes in our Sauiour Christ in the merites of his passion to make vs repentant of our sins to comfort vs in the forgiuenes of them to knit vs in loue and charitie all to God in a communion with Christ our head in the communion of saintes one to another to prouoke vs to leade a new life to offer vp to God a spirituall sacrifice of our soules and bodies besides that of our lips by praysing glorifying God for all these benefits sealed vp thus vnto vs in these mysteries of our Sauiour Christ and withall vnfolded vnto vs by this so cleare setting out of all these thinges that euery cōmunicant may vnderstande them and be moued by them And can now our Breth say if they wil say the truth that here wants the promise and worde of God and that it is separated and not set forth that heere is but a dead beggerly element that here is but a part and that but the outwarde part of the sacrament and so no sacrament as the bodie of a man without the soule which animateth and giueth life to the body is not a man but a dead corps And dare our Brethren beyonde all this be thus bolde to demand what can it be better than sacrilege For if it be no better than sacrilege then is it no sacrament at all We dare not burden the Papists so farre for their baptizing notwithstanding all their incantations superstitious toyes and materiall additions to the element of water besides their daungerous errours about baptisme that the baptisme which their Popish and Idolatrous sacrificers ministred no what heretike soeuer he were so long as he and they obserue the forme and matter of baptisme by our Sauiour Christ prescribed we dare not say they are not baptized at all and take vpon vs to baptize them againe nor I thinke our Brethr. dare attempt it or auouch it And can they auow these spéeches then of our baptizing now that kéepeth the méere and simple institution of Christ without any of those corruptions Howe farre more modestly writeth Caluine in his 265. Epistle Rogant quidam c. There are certaine that inquire if it were lawefull for the Apostles at the houre of prayer to ascende into the temple and moreouer for Paule to performe the solemne rite of sanctificatiō why may not we also intermingle prayers with the Papistes We must first holde this that the prayers which were in vse among the Iewes were pure formed to the lawes prescription Neither yet if the Papistes did conceaue a pure forme of praying would I make any religion to enter with thē into the ●ēple But nder became not them to ioyne thēselues vnto their assembly that had ●de●●fied Christ I answere a godly holy action is not corrupted by the vice of the men As I am wont to say that If all the Angels were present at the Masse they are not able with their holynes to clense the filthinesse therof Nor yet again are al the deuils able with their presence to bring to passe that the holy supper when it is celebrated according to the institution of Christ should not reteyne the puritie thereof Since therfore we haue the very institution of Christ both in his supper and in our baptisme so clearly set forth as we haue séene shall the ministers insufficiency to preach the things the he after so good a forme prescribed both to him vs declareth be such a pollution that these holy sacramentes should be defiled
the people This being finished the Bishop assembled into a higher place by steps to preache the Gospell of Christe The people in the meane while with a song conceiued called vpon the grace of the holy ghoste which of those steppes begunne to be called the Graduell But heere the Bishop did reade the Gospel before with great authority and then interpreted the same at the ende of the holy sermon he recited the Creede that they called the Apostles or else the Nicene or that which secondly was made Moreouer hee inuited the whole Church vnto mercie that euery man according to their abilities shoulde put somewhat into the poore-mens boxe That portion of the holy sermon they called the offertory And Pontius Paulinus teacheth that a table was wont to beset in the Church for the refection of the poore which also they called the Lordes Table and placed of the Lorde In this manner I say with these ceremonies and rites did the auncient exercise their prayers and sounde doctrine How beit this custome was not by all pointes common to all For some began the holy assembly not with the psalmes but with the crying together Kyrie●leison They that so did had not in vse either the Angels hymne or the collects or the Graduels verse To this agayne other sung the Alleluiah of the Hebrues as in another place Ierome sheweth Among some the bishop himselfe without all these thinges both beginneth with the sacred sermon and publique prayers added thereunto and dismisseth the assembly But no Church was compelled to sweare into the rites and ordinances of another so bee that the prayers and the holye sermons were entire and exercised holily and alwayes the best beeing contented with most few employed the cheefest partes to doctrine and to prayers Moreouer in the mysticall supper this rite was obserued well neere of all Churches The preest came foorth into the assembly The mysticall table stoode in the sight of the people furnished with bread and Wine He standing at this table blessed the people saying The lorde bee with you the people answered and with thy spirit Then he stirring vp the people vnto the most high matters and preparing the mindes of euery one of them cried Lift vp your hearts the people aunswered wee haue them lifted vp vnto the Lorde For Cyprian in his sermon of the Lords prayer saith Therefore the priest also making a praeface before the prayer prepareth the mindes of the brethren saying Lift vp your hearts while the people aunswereth VVe haue ●hem lift vp vnto the Lorde That they might be admonished how they ought to thinke on nothing but on the Lorde Thus saith Cyprian After this the preest moouing them to thanksgiuing saith Let vs giue thankes vnto the Lorde our God The people answered it is meet right we should so doe here sayd the preest It is very meete and iust right and healthfull that we should at all times euery where giue thāks vnto thee O L. the Lord the holy father almighty eternall God through Iesus Christ our Lord For almoste all these thinges doth Aug. also in his book De bono Perseuerantiae mention cap. 13 saying That therefore which is said in the sacraments of the faithfull that we should haue our heartes lift vp to the Lord it is the gift of the Lord. Of which gift they are of the Prieste admonished to giue thanks to our God vnto whome after this speech this is said And they aunswere It is meete and iust c. But after these words the priest sayde who the day before he suffered tooke the breade gaue thanks brake it and gaue it to his Disciples saying take eate this is my body which is giuen for you and the residue which are read in the Gospell These things with great religion being accomplished the Lords prayer was sayd Which also Ierome testifieth in his 3. book against the Pelagians But also it is vulgarly receiued that the apostles did cōsecrate .i. celebrate the mistical supper at the praiers only of the L. praier after the L. praier the people receiued the holy mysteries by the communion of the sacraments of the body and bloud of the Lorde they grewe together into one mysticall bodye wherof Christ is the head To conclude al these things being orderly accomplished after this manner the assembly was dismissed Thus writeth Bullinger not to confirme but to confute the Popish Masse thereby And is not here a plain prescribed form of the diuine seruice both for the maner of their publike prayers and of the administration of the holy communion yea almost euen the very selfe same forme of order wordes that our book prescribeth vnto vs and although some Churches differed yet euery Church kept alwaies some one certain form or other which euery Minister might not alter at his pleasure But because after these times corruptions began to alter these ancient and holy prescribed forms of publike praier and of the sacraments Let vs nowe come euen to our dayes What Church reformed is there now where they haue not some forme of publike prayers prescribed ordinary among them and yet if there were nothing else but our Brethrens owne booke set out called the book of the form of common prayers administration of the sacraments c agreeable to Gods word and the vse of the reformed Churches It is inough sufficiently to prooue this point that there ought to be a prescribed ordinary form of diuine seruice and publike praiers not that the pastor shuld be the only maker and conceiuer of the publike prayers and the people only to approoue them and say Amen to such prayers as the pastor at that instant maketh or conceiueth Which conceptions of our brethren if they were suffered great inconuenience might grow thereon For either the people which perhaps vnderstood not his tearmes and phrases should rather stand marking and weying his words if they did so much as mark them and houer in suspence of any as●ent til they vnderstood the full drift of them than haue themselues any deuotion al the meane time vnto God so much as in hart silence to ioin with him till it come to the parts of closing vp their Amen vnto that wherein their harts were not in ful assent before ioyned vnto him Which when they haue marked attentiuely vnderstoode yea finally assented with their Amen neuer so frankly may rather in the end be called an a●sent vnto him then any publike or priuate praier vnto God with him So that that which they say here of publike praier as it pertaineth to the pastor to conceiue publike prayers so it is the duty of the whole church in the name of the whole church to ioyne in heart with the pastor in the same prayers that they knowing and vnderstanding what he hath praied may in the end geue their cōsent by answering Amen This I say bangeth not together for any praier
occasion at the same time yet may the pastor rightly procéede in executing the part of a pastors duety for his publike prayers and perfourming the administration of the sacramentes And though the Sacramentes also vpon any occasion or necessity bee not administred as for Baptisme if there be none to bée baptized or the people do not receiue the communion at euery assembly as our Brethr. I think will not say it is necessary especially in the assemblies at the euening prayers except they will haue no publike euening prayers or the communion to be receiued in the euening yet without the sacramentes may the publike prayers rightly proceede Yea though there bee neither sacramentes nor sermon at that time yea and though there were a Preacher neuer so learned except they will in euery Congregation prouide at least for two preachers one to preach at the Morning Prayer the other at the euening prayer or prouide sufficient health and strength for one to serue alwayes both the turnes or else cease the publike euening prayers and now and then Morning Prayers too for want of the sacramentes and the preaching And although it be more requisite that publike praiers shold be made both at the preaching of a sermon and especially at the ministration of the Sacramentes yet as publike prayers may procéede without eyther of these so may either of these both preaching also baptisme though not the cōmunion of the L. body bloud be administred without the publike prayers if such necessity or occasion serued as we haue séene sufficient examples thereof euen in the Word of God Notwithstanding with publike prayer we stil grant it is alwayes better And when all these three parts of a pastors duty preaching ministring the sacraments and praying are ioyned one with another we deny not but it is best of all As for referring the blessing of Mariages vnto prayer I like it also very wel But then I would haue our Brethren marke this withal that here they say of this blessing or praying for them that it is not of necessity but of an auncient vse of the Church Now if the praier for the maried be not of necessitie but of conueniencie because it is an ancient custome of the Church what then shall we thinke of the administration of the sacramentes vnto them at the time of their Mariage or of a sermon to be preached vnto them when the publike praier that God would vouch safe to blesse those that are to bee ioined in the sanctified and honourable estate of Matrim is not of necesitie yet are our Bre. héerein to be again much commended that would haue these prayers of blessings vsed at mariages because though they be not of necessity yet are they of an auncient custome of the Church Which rule if they woulde consider in many other things being neither wicked nor superstitions being neither against good manners nor true Doctrine though they bee not prescribed nor yet expressed in the word of God nor are of any necessitie but of an auncient custome in the Church they would not reiect so many things cheefely not so contemptuously as they doe The argument of the 9. Booke THE 9. Booke treateth of the Churches authority in disposing matters of order comlinesse and edification and of the church of Engl. lawfull proceeding herein Of these Discoursers disobedience and reproches of the churches dooings and vrging their owne orders without authority of the daunger in contentions for small matters and of vrging and impugning ceremonies how comlinesse order and edification are ioyned and seperated Of S. Paules reproouing the vncomlinesse of Womens prophecying and preaching and why these Learned discoursers so especially note this vncomelinesse how their owne positions inferre Womens preaching on necessity extraordinarily and so of consequence Baptizing How Women did then prophesy in the congregation of the Corinthians and of our late abusage in that exercise the confuting of Beza and others interpretations for Womens prophecying to haue beene but onely in hearing with the manifolde examples to the contrary How farre Caluine and other Protestantes allow it or debarre it how Caluine digresseth hereupon from Womens publique speaking to their publike gouernment and with what hard tearmes he concludes against it How Danaeus resumeth the same question followeth further vpon it Of the cause that carieth away Caluine Danaeus all the French writers from the oeconimicall to the politicall gouernment of Women howe requisite it is to pursue this digression both to stande on our necessary defence in this point and to confute all suche as heretofore both in other countries and among vs haue set foorth Bookes against Womens Regiment To which pointes are first examined the arguments that Caenalis the French chronicleo hath gathered together against all womēs Gouernmēt vnder pretence of the Salike Lawe in France with examining conferring the law of God the law of Nations the ciuill law besides the examination of the often practise in France by the gouernment of Women of the ancient state of France the pedegrees in and before the time of Pharamund and since The lynes of the Merouingians the Carolines and the Capetians or Hugonians all from the rig●t and title of Women The arguments for the gift of healing and of the same also in the kings Queenes of England The hurt and troubles that the deuise of the Salike lawe hath bred to all Christiā kingdomes The examples obiections reasons pro contra in Daneus the answeres vnto him with the examples of wom gouernment in all ages and in all the most famous peoples of the World besides England cheefly in the Empire of Rome which Daneus excepteth of Daneus conclusiō against patrimonial magistracy iurisdiction Lastly the aunswere to the argumentes of Bodinus and of Hottomanus against womens regiment for the Salike Lawe with Hottomans Iudgement thereupon FVrthermore in those things that are necessary partes of the Pastors of fice the Church hath authority to dispose them as touching the circumstaunces for order and comelinesse sake but cheefely for edification As the dayes and times of preaching and administring the sacraments the places meete for the same and for publike prayers also the forme and manner of vsing those things so that al things be done comly and agreeable to order but especially that in all things principall regarde bee had to edification which Saint Paule so often so precisely vrgeth in the 14. Chapter of the 1. Cor. For therfore ought our assemblies commings together to serue that therefore we may be better that we may be taught that we may be edified 1. Cor. 11.17 1. Cor. 14.23.24.25.26.31 IF the Churche haue authority to dispose these thinge that are necessary partes of the pastors Office as touching the circumstances for order and comelinesse sake but cheefely for edification as the dayes and times of preaching and administring the sacramentes the places meete for
that it may well bee that the legitimate issue of the Hugonians maye haue this especiall gift Which albeit some thinke contrarie notwithstanding being vsed alonely to the glory of God and withou● all superstition I take it to be more superstitious to denie it then to graunt it The effect so apparantly though not alwayes for God binds not himselfe to such gifts yet so often falling out But nowe if this be so good an argument euen as we sée also often times by the fresh bleeding againe of a dead body whose blood though it hath been● long colde and congealed neuerthelesse at the presence of the vnknowne murderer God hath giuen such a miraculous contrariety of naturall qualities and operations which of the Greeke is called an Antipathie in english we may tearm it a counterpassiō wherby the malefactor is discried so contrariwise if God haue giuen such a singuler and excellent sympathy or force of compassion to the legitimate issue of that line or such a secrete and forcible antipathie to that euill or disease that by the expulsion thereof the right and legitimate line of the French Kings shoulde bee made manifest then what soeuer power heereof the French King that now possesseth the Crowne hath in this matter I cannot not say but of this I am sure and an infinite number moe can witnesse the same that God hath miraculously healed by her Maiesties handes a very great number and still doth Yea Ioh. Tagautius a Parisian in his institution of surgery dedicated to Frances the first li. 1. chap. 13. writing of the cure of this disease dooth saie Hoc vnum tamen c. This one thing neuerthelesse I confidentlie affirme that it is graunted of God by a speciall gift to the most Christian king of the French that with the onelie touching of his hande hee shold restore to health those that haue the Squinācie or the Scrophules as they tearme them King Edward also he meaneth the third as the Histories reporte was wont to heale those that had the Squinancie with touching onelie giuen him of God which gifte beeing immortall hath passed as a right hereditarie to the kings following For the kings of England euen now also by their touching with certaine thanksgiuings before recited not without ceremonies doe heale those of the Squinancie or swellings in the throate Which most manifestlie confuteth all the slaunderous and opprobrious vntruths of this blinde foule mouthed Popish Bishop Caenalis And cléerlie euicteth that as her Maiestie is no lesse of the legitimate line of the Hugonians Carolines and Merouingians than Philip of Valois was as is most apparant Isabel being the legitimate daughter of Philip le Beaw which also was the legitimate sonne and heire of Philip his Father and Father also to Charles of Valois his second sonne of whom came Philip of Valois from whō the French kings succéeding he that is yet remainder haue issued sith therfore the legitimate daughter begotten in lawfull matrimonie is by the expresse law of God preferred before the Fathers brother before fathers brothers son how can her Maiesties line be called or thought other than the legitimate issue of the Hugonians therefore this argument is either of no force to infer the title of the Crowne but onelie to proue the legitimation of the issue which they cannot denie in her Maiestie nor we denie in their Princes or else this argument dooth plainelie conuince them and infers her Maiesties right and title But we stand not vpon the lawfulnesse of the bloud but vpon the neerenesse of the bloud And Caenalis himselfe speaking of the line of Hugh Capet whose royall bloud from the Carolines was onelie of the mother as we haue euen out of Caenalis shewed saith fol. 68. b. For the right of the kingdome of France is not to bee of the right euerie man or of heads because Hugh Capet had his name of Caput an head Sed sanguinis esse But to be of bloud And therefore the neerer bloud legitimate the néerer right euen by his owne confession Now as this Popish Bishop the more he striues the more he wrestles with himselfe beating himselfe and confuteth still his owne reasons so he concludes hereon Thou seest therefore how these being ioyned in a certaine agreeable and indiuisible league doe so defence and strengthen mutually the one the other a Monarchie the Lawe Salike and the Lawe Salike a Monarchie that whether of these two thou wilt being taken away the other of necessitie must either bee chaunged or perishe vtterly This conclusion is as false and loose as all the premisses What suche Agreeable and indissoluble league hath he proued or haue wée séene betwéene the state of a Monarchie and the Salike Lawe that they can not be seuered without the vtter destruction the one of the other can not the Salike Lawe stande without a Monarchie God wotte it was a sory vagarant and tributary Monarchie when as they pretende Pharamunde made it and a pretty while after And can it not stande in other states popular or Aristocratical as well as yea and firmer in them than in a Monarchie and must there néedes bée a Monarchie where it takes place is the state of Bourges of Orleance and of Burgundie a monarchicall state and yet Caenalis confessed before that they all followe the Salike Lawe And on the other side is there no Monarchy but where the Lawe Salike holdeth Is not the state of Englande Spaine Sicile Scotland and many other states Monarchical and yet admit not this Salike Lawe but the succession of the woman Is Fraunce onely and those fewer and meaner states Monarchies and not these Countries What a false conclusion then is this that includeth all these falshoodes But if none of all these reasons will serue yet sayth he Howsoeuer it bee what is more ridiculous or preposterous fonde than if a henne should rule a cocke Wh● a ridiculous and proposterous reason is this from reasonable creatures to vnreasonable that haue nothing to guide them but the instinct and force of nature and by this reason all states shoulde not onelye receiue the Salike Lawe but the Lawe of God for any preheminence of womon in any inheritaunce at all or Gouernment of their housholde and all obedience of men children to their Mothers especially after they bee stronger than their Mothers and of seruauntes to their Ladies and Mystresses is cleane cut off and shoulde become a Preposterous and an vnnaturall thing by this Cockishe or rather Cocks-comish reason If I may be so bolde as to vse this tearme In-déede the Gaules or French are called Galli which betokeneth also Cockes as in the next leafe 67. Caenalis ridiculously and fondly triumpheth on that name saying Almoste all other principalities by reason of succession Gallinacei sunt are Hennishe or Dung-hill Cockes if with the good leaue of all it maye bee lawfull for mee so to saye For that in them the woman