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A16617 Proposition. Concerning kneeling in the very act of receiuing howsoever Bradshaw, William, 1571-1618. 1605 (1605) STC 3524; ESTC S115519 10,814 30

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christians transgrese the institution of the L. supper by chaunging the time taken by Christ vpon occasion but not prescribed into some other fitter in discretion for the ordinarie c●lebration of the L. supper As probably the Primitiue Churches did For every first day of the weeke viz. the L. day the brethren came togither to breake bread Act. 2 42. 20.7 1 Cor 16 2. Revel 1.10 id est to minister the communiō So that either th●y never met vpon the L. day but in the eve●●ing or else they c●lebr●ted the communion at some other times but for my alteration of the gestures ●f sitting especially into kneeling there is not the least probabilitie It is further obiected That we may kneele in regard of prayers to be vsed by prescription of authority at the deliueryng of the bread and wine viz. The bodie of our Lord Iesus Christ which was giuē for thee preseru thy bodie and soule into eternall life and take and eate this etc. Heere vnto these answers may be returned Seing we reiect Christ his example of sitting for kneeling we must not stand vpon what we may doe but humbly consider what we must doe For if there be not a necessary and a iustifiable cause both of those prayers and of Kneeling in regard of them doe we not presume vpon Christ his patience in reiecting his example Now what necessitie is there of those prayers at that very time Seeing prayers goe before and follow after Againe must we needs kneele at every bitte of a prayer Is their more necessity to obey a needlesse direction to kneele at those prayers than to follow the example of Christ In sitting when we take eate and drinke things requyred in the same sentences And why must the people kneele when they heare those prayers rather than the minister who pronounceth them But it is a question Whither those prayers be iustifiable or no. For besides that by reason of them Kneeling devis●d and abused by Antichrist doth crosse the practise of Christ and his Apostles and th●y may seeme avayne repitition Even the adding of thē to the words of institution is contrary to the minde of Christ For he did first blesse or pray and after gaue the Elements in a sacramentall forme of words Math 6 7 26.26 etc. Mark 14.21 Luk 22.19 etc without any addition saying take eate etc. Which order of administration and forme of words Mathew Marke Luke and Paul doe so constantly precisly and sincerely relate that any may perceiue the meaning of the spirit to be That the sacramentall forme of words ought precisely to be obserued without any addition And the rather because Paul beginneth his relation thus I haue receiued of the Lord 1 Cor. 11 23 ●4 that which I haue also deliuered etc. So that it may seeme to be against religion and reason that to a sacramentall forme of speach wherin the minister should only supply the person of Christ there should be added a prayer as in the name of the Church This confusion is fitter for Babilon than for Sion Lastly Why is not a short prayer after other going before aswell ioyned to the sacramentall forme of Baptisme viz N. I baptise thee In the name of the Father etc. If then this addition of prayer to the sacramētall forme of words be not of faith Rom 14.5 ●3 how can we with faith and a good conscience confirme or allow the same with our kneeling Lastly for iustifiyng of Kneeling it is affirmed That it is indifferent whither we sitt stand or kneele Seing Christ did sit when he did eate the passover Wheras God commaunded the children of Israel in Egipt to eate the passover standing and some reformed churches receiue standing for all that Christ did sit at his last supper Therfore the King may appoynt Kneeling as the most reverend gesture and best beseeming so holy an action For answer whervnto howsoever that which is alreadie said may suffice Yet it may be further considered That though it be admitted that it is indifferent to sit or to stand yet it doth not follow that Kneeling is indifferent For sitting is the example and standing is a gesture sometimes vsed in ordinary eating and in the obiection it is said to be prescribed at a sacramentall feast Againe It doth not follow That because Christ vsed a gesture fitter for eating in his time insteed of a gesture prescribed vpon occasion it is therfore law full to vse a gesture nothing answerable to eating and that taken out of the Synagogue of Antichrist as though the word of God came out of it 1 Cor. 14.36 or to it onely instead of a gesture most answerable to eating of purpose vsed by Christ at the institutiō of the sacrament So that notwithstanding all that is said for Kneling His Maiestie vpon whome the burthern as of this gesture so of other ceremonies is layde may remember 2 Chro. 2● 25 That Hezekiah appoynted Levites in the house of the Lord with Cīballs etc. according to the commaundement of David and Gad the Kings Seer and Nathan the Prophet for the cōmaundement was by the hand of the Lord and by the hand of his prophets And withall consider that if Kneeling were the most reverēt gesture best be seming the holy cōmuniō our L. Master would not haue sitten downe of purpose at his last supper And that Ahaz was deceived In deeming the Alter at Damascus 2. King 16 10 12.14 15 more honorable for Gods service thā the alter of the Lord. Having said that which may be sufficient to a man reasonable and not contentious against the institution of kneeling for supposed reverence in regard of God it remaineth that somewhat be said against the institution of Kneeling for reverence in regard of bread and wine Which need not be much For no sound protestant of any knowledge will affirme it but rather presently consider That if kneeling be instituted for reverence in reg●rd of bread and wine It must be either because they represent the body bloud of Christ though remaining bread and wine touching there substaunce And then for like reason we may worship the crucifixe and image of God as the papists doe Or because Christ is really bodily locally though invisibly present in thē either by Transubstātiation according to the herisy of the papists or by consubstantiation according to the herisy of the Lutherans These things cannot but be considered And then it must needs follow that if we abiure these herisyes of Papists Lutherans we must also abhorre idolatrous superstitious kneeling their daughter and Nurse which was never hearde of before Transubstantiation was hatched in the sinagogue of Antichrist Re●●q●es of R●me fol 98. 99 So that immediatly after Pope Innocent decreed Transubstantiation Pope Honorius decreed kneeling Auns to M. Iuels chalēg fol. 111 Therfore if Harding doth graūt that it is not well to kneele but in regard of a reall bodily
presence a sound protestant should infer But I detest your reall presence therfore I abhorre your Idolatrous kneeling We are to abhorre kneeling not onely because we abhorre the herisyes of worshipping images Transubstantiation Consubstantiation but also Because it is the shew of the greatest evils that ever were viz. Idolatry in worshipping a God made of a peice of bread 1 Thess 5.22 and of communiō with Antichrist rather than with Christ and therfore the greatest scādall that ever was or can be both in regard of those evils it doth occasionally teach or confirme As also in regard of multituds indeed the most part of people either not sufficētly instructed in the right vnderstanding vse of the sacrament and therfore caried with a blinde devotion learned by tradition or corrupted more or lesse with the leaven of poperie Who all in regard of their weaknes are indangered by this gesture either grosly to commit the Idolatry of papists or to haue a superstitious estimation of the outward elements And the rather because by the 21 Canon it is provided That no bread and wine newly brought shal be vsed but first the words of institution shall be rehearsed when the said bread wine be present vpon the Communion table As if the words were incantations the table like the aulter which sanctifieth the sacrifice May not this prouiso seeme at least to the simple to make way at least to the Popish consecration How grevous a sinne it is to scandalize the w●ake Ma●h 18.6 may appeare by the wordes of Christ viz. whosoever shall offend one of these little ones it were better for him that a milstone were hanged about his necke and that he were drowned in the depth of the Sea 1 Cro 8.13 And of Paul If meate offēd my brother I will eate no flesh while the world standeth that I may not offend my brother What an offence or scandall is the Apostle sheweth in the same chapter viz. ver 9 An occasion of fallyng to the weake The perticular offence he speaketh of is this Notwithstāding the gospell was preached a convenient time and that by the Apostles yet many wanted knowledge vers 7 10. even vnto that time did eate as a thing sacrificed to an Idoll Of whome if any should see a man indued with knowledge sit at table in the Idols temple his weake conscience might occasionally be imboldened to eate those things which are sacrificed to Idols If Paul would never eate flesh rather than he would offend in this case because in so doeing he should sinne agaīst Christ how dare a christian ver 12 hauing knowledge kneele in the presence of any who for want of knowledge rec●iue superstitiously Of which sort seing there be so many even vntill this hower and ever likly to be that we know not when and where to communicate without some such either old or young it followeth that as sitting at table in the Idols temple could not be with out sinne in the Apostles time so kneling cannot be without sin in these dayes when the number of faithfull teachers is much decreased but of papists much increased by our kneeling much confirmed in their bread worshipe Sum of the confe pa. 74 Therfore If his Maiesties iudgment be sound that the surplice is not to be worne if Heathenish men were commorant among vs who therby might take occa ion to be strengthened in their paganisme sh●ll we by our corrupt p●actise of kneeling strengthen the papists who swarme among us in their Idolatry If the State doth well in ordeining the sacrament to be administred in vsual bread to take away superstitiō ●ub after the com sect 5. wheras Christ did by occasion minister in vnleavēeed bread shall not we doe ill In teaching or confirming superstition by kneeling whereas Christ did of purpose minister sitting Hom. agaist peril of Idol p●●t 3 a Setting vp of images in churches onely to be l●y mens bookes is by authoritie condemned Levit 19.14 because they are a● stumbling blockes in way of the blinde So that they haue been are still and will be hereafter worshipped by ignorant persons Is not kneeling as scandalous How can it then be iustified But it is said that the Kings cōmaūdemēt taketh away scandall in things indifferēt And it may be averred that this is a begging of the question except it be proued by the word that kneeling may be without sinne and that notwithstanding it be an institution of man contrary to the example of Christ a signe of communion rather with Antichrist and his sinagogue of Rōe than with Christ and his Church it haue no proportion with sacramentall eating and haue beene is and will be bread worshipe But suppose that in it selfe it wereas indifferent as was eating of flesh sacrificed to an Idol not in the Idols temple 1 Cor 10.27 28. but at a priuate table where no weake ones were in the Apostles time yet how doth the ●ings commaundement take away scandall from kneeling in publicke places Doth it make all so sure that none can be scandalized Or if that cannot be doth it take away guiltines from the scandalizer as if all the blame of scandalizing were in the Kings commaundement Suerly it must be in the former or els the latter cannot be For by scandalizing a weake brother perisheth 1. Cor 8.11 Numb 35 3● 2 Sam 11 15 16 17. Of whose bloud the scandalizer is guiltie as Ioab was of Vriahs bloud notwithstanding the Kings commaundement Here his Maiestie knowne to be of a gentle disposition to haue learned yea professed better thinges in Scotland is most humblie prayed to take this word King as spoken in imitation and vnderstood of Cantor who knowne to be of a violent disposition did cary matters in the Convocation and published Canons not orderly fully concluded as some of his suffragane prelates report But it is impossible that the Kings commaundement should make all so sure that none can be scandalized the generall ignorance of the people the disposition of the ignorant vnto superstition the old leaven of popery not purged the multipliyng of papists all well considered Nay rather It is ●ikely that by the commaundement the scandall will be the greater Especially in regard of the 27 Canon where ministers are commaunded vnder paine of suspension Not wittingly to administer the sacrament to any but such as kneele May not simple superstitious persons take occasion thus to argue Why should kneeling be thus vrged by authoritie if the sacramentall signes of the bodie and bloud of Christ be no more to be reverenced than water applyed in baptizing children Seeing that is also a sanctified signe of Christ his bloud that w●sheth away our sinnes and iniquities To conclud If kneeling in the very acte of taking eating drinking the sacramentall bread wine in the holy communion be 1 an institution of man 2 If it be the taking of Gods name in vaine when it is without all respecte of reverence 3 If God be not honored thereby except it be according to his will 4 If it swarue from the example of Christ his sitting therfore deserueth no prayse 5 If it be a provoking sinne to reiect the exemplary sitting of christ wherby we sh●w our selues to be in communion with Christ the reformed churches and to retaine kneeling which for bread worship ought to be banished wherby we seeme to be in cōmunion with Antichrist his sinagogue 6 If it obscureth that reioycing familiaritie in with Christ which the L. supper signifieth 7 if the argument from Christ his example be made the stronger in that he sat of purpose 8 If the lawfulnes of chusing a fitter time than the euening cannot iustify our reiecting Christ his exemplary sitting 9 if the bittes of prayer ioyned with the words of institutiō do make kneling the more sinfull 10 If kneeling be not as indifferent as standing nor best beseeming the holy communion and the King must appoynt nothing but by the hand of the Lord. 11 If we ought to abhor kneeling as we abhorre the worshipping of Images Transubstantiation Consubstantiation 12 If to scandalize be gre●vously to sinne and kneeling be a shew of the greatest evils and withall the greatest scandall And 13 If it be a begging of the question to affirme kneeling to be indifferent the Kings commaundement so called doth rather increase thā lesson scandall by kneeling It may be averred that kne●ling in the very acte of Taking eating and drinking the sacramentall bread wine in the holy communion cannot be without sinne The Printer to the reader The copy sent me wanted direction for the quotations I wanted an English corrector therfore ha●e I failed more than I would especially in placing them ●ut pardon I pray and take knowledge of these principals Errata Pag 2 put downe Rom 16 17 18 phil 3 2● 19 gal 6 12 lines 2 pa 5 pu d mal 1 6 7. l 2 pa 6 2 king 5 18 l 3 pa 7 1 cor 11 1 l 5 pa 10 1 cor 11 16 l 3 2 cor 6 15 17 l 4 deut 12 30 31 l 5 math 8 11 l 2 pa 11 set vp 1 cor 11 20 10 21 l 2 p d exo 12 11 l 6 num 3 11 12 math 5 17 26 20 l 12. pa 12 l 1. put out not s●t vp Iob 38 2 l 1 p d 1 cor 11 25 26 l 6 pa 13 s v Iohn 13 4 12 l 10. p d gen 2 2 3 l 3. pa 14 pu d Math 26 31 45 Luke 22 53 lin 4 read must be eaten lin 11. read into another pa 16. li 2 read sentences prescribed s v math 6 7 l 5