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sacramentally and not as in a place his whole body being in the least part of the Host if separate from the other parts Which to St. Austin I am sure would have imported that Christ is really in Heaven and not really in the Sacrament for he says upon Psalm 33. Si spatia c. If space of place be taken from a body it is no where that is it is not Does this sound as if he understood the quillets of Transubstantiation Again to Boniface ep 25. Si Sacramenta c. If Sacraments had not the likeness of the things whereof they are Sacraments they would not be sacraments and because of this likeness they often take the names of the things themselves As therefore the Sacrament of the body of Christ is in some sort the body of Christ and the Sacrament of the blood of Christ is the blood of Christ so the Sacrament of faith is faith And against Adimantus the Manichee Non dubitavit c. he doubted not to say this is my body when he gave the sign of his body And upon Psal 3. mira est patientia c. Wonderful is the patience of Christ who entertained Judas at that banquet wherein he gave his disciples the figure of his body and his blood And St. Ambrose de Sacramentis Non iste panis c. not that bread which goes down into the belly but the bread of Eternal life which supports the soul Many such other sayings the Reader may find cited by old Bertram and of late by all the Protestant writers but not a word like them is in any Roman Catholique authour since the Council of Lateran The stile of the Doctours is not altered for nothing And so much for Transubstantiation Secondly I name Purgatory for an incredible doctrin Purgatory as maintained in the Church of Rome is a prison at the edge of hell where souls are deteined till by suffering they satisfy for such venial sins as they dyed under or for mortal sins for which they had not perfectly done their pennance The pains differ from hell fire only in being Temporary and the souls which suffer them are in high Charity and at the last gasp were purg'd from all unfiting affections yet must they ly here and fry for their past trespasses till the utmost farthing be pay'd And all their own charity avails nothing towards their deliverance but they are ordinarily ransom'd from long durance by the Charity of their friends on earth layd out upon Masses Pilgrimages c. And upon some occasions whole sholes are let out by the Popes Indulgence Now I say this is an incredible doctrine in it self for 1. the Christian faith is that Christ satisfied for the sins of the World how then can souls suffer meerly for the satisfaction of the Divine Justice Punishments in this World are our corrections but punishing when there can be no amendment must be a meer wrecking of vengeance t is so in hell and they say it is so in Purgatory 2. t is incredible that God should so horribly afflict those Souls which so entirely love him and which he so highly loves 3. T is incredible that venial sins which upon earth are purg'd with an Ave a Pater noster a thump on the brest or sprinkling of a little holy water should after death merit such horrible torments and which for ought I can hear may last many years 4. If these sins do merit the great pains of Purgatory then 't is incredible that a Masse or a pilgrimage should pay the debt 5. If Purgatory be a necessary and also an assured passage into heaven t is incredible that any fire there can be a torment for the way to blisse is happy In this world hope of salvation made Martyrs endure tortures with patience but that torture which brings with it assurance is matter of triumph 6. 'T is incredible that souls should be sensible of bodily fire who can imagin what a scorch'd Soul is or how fire can torment the understanding or the Wil And the seperated soul has nothing in it besides them two But to all this I am answered as I was about Transubstantiation that God's power is incomprehensible and his ways past finding out However I say Purgatory being so Irrational in it self has need to be well pro'vd from abroad I mean by Texts of Scripture and Expositions of ancient Fathers But there is not one Text in the whole Bible applyed to this Purgatory till after S. Austin Nay t is impossible that many of the Ancient Fathers should hold Purgatory as it is now held in the Church of Rome for they held that no Souls at least very few of the most perfect go to Heaven till the day of Judgment and that in the interim they are kept in receptacles without any pain but that of delay'd Happiness and that at the day of Judgement they must all pass through fire Origen in Psalm 36. Vt ego arbitror c. As I think it is necessary for us all to come to that fire though one be a Paul or a Peter Such a one indeed shall be told though thou goest through the flame it shall not burn thee But a sinner like me shall come to that fire like Peter or Paul but shall not go through it like them Ambros in coment Psalterji Igne nos c. David says thou hast tryed us by fire therefore we shall all be tryed by fire and if we be not consum'd yet we shall be scorch'd Lactant 7 instit C. 1. Sed justos c. When God Judgeth even the just he will examin them with fire then they whose sins are great either in weight or number shall be vehemently scorched the ripe in virtue shall not feel that fire Hieronym tomo 3. in Amos Vocatus ignis c. The fire call'd to Judgment first devours the Abyss that is all the kind's of sins Wood Hay Stubble Aug in 15. Gen. Ad solis c. At the setting of the Sun that is at the End By that fire is signified the day of Judgment separating those carnalls who are to be sav'd by fire from those who are to be damn'd in the fire And in Psal 6. Talem me c. Render me such now as shall not need amendment by fire And 20 de civ Dei Out of what has been said it seems evident that in the judgment some will suffer some purging pains I take this labour to clear the Purgatory held by some of the ancient because their sayings and the Texts which they cite for their Purgatory are all which they bring now for the Purgatory maintain'd in the Church of Rome whereas t is impossible that they who held the former Purgatory should hold this latter for 1. the former Purgatory was in the judgment this Latter is immediatly after Death 2. The former Purgatory was for the amendment of the person this latter punishes for Sin when the person is perfect 3. The former Purgatory