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A48817 The difference between the Church and Court of Rome, considered in some reflections on a dialogue entituled, A conference between two Protestants and a Papist / by the author of the late seasonable discourse. Lloyd, William, 1627-1717. 1674 (1674) Wing L2677; ESTC R18276 29,803 41

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who are in the Communion of the Roman Church It is plainly this They are a sort of men who are alwayes the worse for Favour and Indulgence I mentioned but now the case of F. Watson who after his many publick declarations of himself against the traiterous Jesuits confuted all his Writings by his Actions But the particular which I now refer to is the time of this his Enterprize which was the entrance of K. Iames into this Kingdom when all the severities of the Laws against the Romanists were laid asleep and they received not only to a peaceful enjoyment of their Consciences and Estates but were admitted to the Court to Trust to Honours and Preferments nor was this treachery and falseness his singular Demerit At the same time and under the same circumstances was the Agency of the Romish Factors with the King of Spain for the procuring a second Invasion of their Native Country which might expiate that of 88. as also that hollish Machination of the Gun-Powder-Treason These though so barbarous in the intendment as to be capable of no aggravation had besides the forementioned Ingratitude of being attempted in a season of Indulgence this particular brand upon them that they were designed by those very men who had been guilty of Treasons in the time of Q. Elizabeth and had been graciously forgiven by K. Iames and personally had sued out their pardons from him under seal So that we may conclude it as reasonable an attempt to still a Tempest by whispering gently to it put out a Fire by pouring Oyl upon it or reclaim a Viper by receiving him into the Bosom as to hope by any Acts of Kindness and Indulgence to assure the Duty of a Roman Votary of whatever Principle or Subdivision he pretend to be ENQUIRY III. Whether the Popes power in deposing Kings be a Doctrine of the Roman Church Having debated this point already in the Seasonable Discourse and defended what I there asserted in my Reply to the Full Answerer there is really no need I should trouble my self or Reader in the proof of a thing perfectly evident But since the Gentleman with whom I had first to do and our present Author after him think they have abundantly cleared themselves by quoting a few Romanists who have denied the Exorbitant Tyrannies of the Pope and separating the Interests of the Court and Church of Rome with this Difference that whereas the Full Answerer quite slips over the mention of Councils this my Author after a short Reflection lightly passes the Allegations which I made from the Canons of the said Councils which I pretend to have been receiv'd as Universal not onely by the high-flown Papalins but these moderate pretenders and consequently what is by those Councils decreed must beyond all subterfuge be concluded to be the Doctrine of the Church And whereas the said Author onely addes some few colourable pretences to elude the Arguments drawn from the aforesaid Councils I shall which I take to be the alone remaining possible way of inforcement set down the express words of those Councils in plain English And then I hope there will need no infallible Interpreter to inform us of the meaning and importance of them And having done this I shall reply to those thin Sophisms which are brought to elude my Argument In the Seasonable Discourse I first cited the 27 Canon of the Third Lateran Council Cap. Sicut ait Where the Fathers having condemned the Cathari c. and subjected the Fautors of them to the same punishment with them 't is added They shall forfeit all the Fealty Homage and Obedience which was due to them Now we know who they are to whom Fealty and Homage in its remarkable and most proper importance is due But to avoid all Cavil this is determined to extend to Soveraign Princes by the express words of the Council of Constance as we shall see anon And therefore in the next place I proceed to the Fourth and as it is stiled by the Romanists the most General Council of Lateran Where the Fathers having condemned all Hereticks that exalt themselves against the Catholick Faith by them explained an Article whereof is That in the Sacrament of the Altar the Body and Blood of Christ are really contained the Bread being transubstantiated into the Body of Christ and the Wine into his Blood that is to wave all the monstrous Absurdities of Transubstantiation that they who receive onely the Bread receive onely the Body and they who receive the Cup onely receive the Blood of our Saviour for concomitancy cannot suit with things entirely separate And having required the Aid of the Secular Powers against the said Hereticks the Council proceeds in this form If the Temporal Lord requir'd or admonish'd by the Church shall neglect to purge his Territory from Heretical pravity let him be Excommunicated by the Metropolitan and his Suffragans and if he persist in neglecting to give satisfaction for the space of a year let him be signified to the Pope that he from thenceforth may pronounce his Subjects discharg'd from their Obedience and expose his Territory to be seiz'd by Catholicks who having exterminated the Hereticks without Contradiction shall possess it and preserve it in the Purity of Faith So as no injury be done to the Right of the Superiour Lord where there is such provided he do not any way oppose himself and the same Law is to take place on them who have no superiour Lord. Where we may observe how pitiful the Excuse is which is commonly brought that Soveraign Princes are not here meant but onely Feudatary when as if it were on purpose to exclude this plea those who are most Absolute and Supreme are particularly level'd with the other In the mean time we of this Nation may take notice That besides our own Runagates whom I cited in the Seasonable Discourse who make our Kingdom to be held in fee from the Pope in a manner all Foreign Writers go away with it as a thing confest and evident and bring as the common instance of the Popes power to depose Kings that his Holiness may dispose of the Crown of England even where they exempt the King of France from such subjection But this upon the by The same Council goes on and says That the Excommunicate Fautors of Heresies shall have no Votes in Councils or Elections shall not be allowed to make a Will to give Testimony or bear any Office or inherit an Estate If any happen to be a Iudge his Sentence shall be null and void If an Advocate he shall not be admitted to plead if a Clark or Notary the Instruments drawn by him shall be of no moment And so in all other like Cases Whence we may gather what assurance we are likely to have of the possession of our Estates if Popery prevail All Acts of Law all Bequests of Wills and Judiciary Proceedings since the Reformation and I suppose most English men hold