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A51360 The Baptist and Independent Churches (so called) set on fire by a bright shining light revealed from heaven their pastors and teachers scorching in the flame of it, gnashing and blaspheming God in his temple ... / by ... Thomas Morford. Morford, Thomas, d. 1693. 1660 (1660) Wing M2727; ESTC R31041 41,223 48

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Mokell which that day was preaching I being moved of the Lord to give my testimony against him which by good and fair words they were good words us they were spoken from the holy men of God but the deceiver taking them to cover his deceit thereby deceives the simple so after that in my conference with R. M. he said he had not an Infallible Spirit but was subject to erre so this makes good my testimony for the Lord that he spoke not from the mouth of the Lord but spoke the good words as I said before from an erring spirit for all that speak not from an infallible spirit or measure thereof speak from an erring spirit So let that of God in all Judge what Pastors Teachers these be Many other such like passages might I relate which would be too large to write neither do I write it out of prejudice or envy unto any God knows I lye not but it is only that all who are concerned therein may throughly search themselvs with that of God in them see what they have Profited in the things of God by such Pastors and Teachers and into what you are baptized for where the old man and its fruits are standing to wit Pride Lust Envy c. You are not come so far as John's Baptisme the true figure which was to repentance nor the answer of a good conscience by the resurrection of the Just but have need to be taught the first Principles of the true Christian Religion to wit turn to the Light of Christ in you which would lead you to repentance and from dead works c. and to go on to perfection Heb. 6.1.2 And into the daily Cross as I said afore to the crucifying of the old man and his deeds and so to know as Panl did a daily dying and baptized into the death of Christ buried with him in baptism that Like as Christ was raised by the Power and Glory of God the Father of Life from the Grave so to be raised and changed into newness of Life and so the fruits and effects of the Spirit of Truth will be brought forth which are meekness Long-suffering Brotherly kindness Gentleness Temperance Love Faith Peace and Joy in the Holy Ghost Now if these fruits and effects are brought forth by you Baptists let that of God in all Judge for Christ said false Prophets should come and ye shall know them by their fruits and now false Prophets and brutish Pastors are known by their fruits who cry out the Ordinances of Christ The Ordinances of Christ c. Even as the false Prophets did in the days of old The Temple of the Lord The Temple of Lord but mocked the messengers of the Lord God and despised his Words and killed and mis-used his Prophets against such Christ himself cryed and Prophesied the destruction of that Temple and said God his Father was a Spirit and in the Spirit and in the Truth would he be worshipped And told his Disciples when he was with them That except he did go away the Comforter would not come But if he did go away he would send the Comforter even the Spirit of Truth which should lead and guide them into all Truth and shew them things to come 8 Therfore that very night he was betrayed as a Pledge of his Love knowing that his Disciples were but weak The Holy Ghost not being then given amongst them though he had done many glorious works and miracles amongst them he left them a remembrance of himself which was the figure of the Spirituall breaking of Bread as will be shewed I say that very night Christ was betrayed He took Bread and broke it and blessed it saying This is my Body which is broken for many c. And Likewise the Cup saying This Cup is the New Testament in my Blood c. which was to be done onely in remembrance of him saith the Apostle mark the Limitation of time till he come who blessed be the Lord many do witness to be come in great Power Glory and when his good Spirit was come unto the Apostles it was their great work to bring the Saints off from outward things that were seen Carnall Ordinances that perished in the using for Bread is seen and Wine is seen and Elementary Water is seen and they all are Carnall and perish in the using 2 Cor. 4.17.18 Col. 2.22 Therefore saith the Apostle If ye be dead with Christ why as though Living are ye Subject to Ordinances which all are to perish in the using after the Commandements of men threrefore he bid them beware Least any man spoyle them through Philosophy and vain deceit and traditions of men after the rud ments of the world and not after Christ Col. 2.8 to the end of the Chap. And bid them if they were risen with Christ to seek those things which were above Carnall Ordinances which perished in the using where Christ sitteth at the right hand of God c. And this testimony I give to all the world That you baptists and other that are found practising those ordinances Baptism and breaking Bread c. you are not to be parallelled or compared to the Saints and Apostles that did practise those things in their purity or first institution by Christ not from tradition or command of mans for whatever Christ or his Prophets or holy Apostles did practise as is recorded in the Scripture is no ground for any one now to practise except commanded or moved immediately by the same spirit that lead them unto it for they that so do will be found in the rudiments of the World walking in traditions although they may say They have eaten and drunken at the Table of the Lord and prophesied in his Name and done many wonders c. yet when God's righteous Witness comes to be raised in Power to judgement it will be said Who required those things at your hands c For since the long Night of Apostasie that Antichrist hath reigned through his subtil working hath gotten into all these outward Ordinances Practises and Forms that were practised by the Primitive Church but the Power he had not which did then even in the dayes of the Apostles begin to work with all Power Signs and lying Wonders in them that perish whom now by the second and glorious appearance of Christ in man is revealing the man of sin and Mystery of Iniquity and by the Power of his Spirit and brightness of his coming is destroying and consuming of him which hath a long time reigned in man the Temple of God And therefore ye Baptists you are found in the Traditions and Rudiments of the World for the Pope Jesuits and all his Fryars and all that they call Christendom are baptizing and breaking bread crying out The Ordinances of the Lord c. But the Spirit of Life from God which is eternal and not carnal nor seen with the carnal eye he I say that hath this spirit is come
to the end of all those shadows and knows himself as he abides in it a member of the body of which Christ is the the Head and a member of the true Church in God with the Saints in Light and so comes truly to say as the Apostles did We being many are one body and one bread I speak as to the wise in God to judge what I say The Cup of Blessing which we bless is it not the Communion of the Blood the Life of Jesus Christ And the Bread which we break is it not the Communion of the Body of Christ c. For all are partakers of that one Bread I am the Bread of Life saith Christ he that hath an ear to hear let him hear and he that eats thereof shall never dye So I say in this the day of God's eternal Power his children who meet together sitting in the heavenly high places waiting on the Lord in the measure of his spirit and in the Spirit of Truth are worshipping him they being many are one body and come to be partakers of that spiritual Bread of life which is broken amongst them by the Divine hand through the Power of the Lord so are come to the substance of the shadow or outward sign which was to be done in remembrance by the Disciples till he come c. but not commanded to be practised by succeeding Generations as a traditional rudiment the which did prefigure the spiritual communion of the Saints in the dispensation of times which is come for the gathering together all in one even in CHRIST Eph. 1.10 And those that were baptized unto Moses c. They also eat of this Spiritual Bread and drank of that Spiritual Rock which followed them and that Rock was Christ 1 Cor. 10.2.4 Therefore in the Power and Authority of the Spirit of the Lord I bear testimony That all the children of the Lord that are taught of him and in his righteousness in their measures are established are come to the end of all those shadows types and figures which stood in meats drinks and divers washings and such carnal Ordinances baptising with Water and breaking natural Bread c. Outward Offerings and sacrificing of Beasts c. are carnal and the Apostle said I Paul testifie unto you if you be circumcised Christ will profit you nothing What Scripture had the Apostle to prove that seeing there was a time Scripture required it I say although these Ordinances and commands were instituted by the Father and the Son they stood in time until he that was before time and for ever will remain when time shall be no more was manifest the second time c. even Christ in them the hope of glory and he that believes hath the witness of truth in himself and so is come in truth according to the Scriptures of truth to the end of those carnal Ordinances which were imposed on them take notice of the limitation of time until the time of Reformation Heb. 9.10,11 Rom. 10.4 9 And this testimony I give for the Lord's Truth his chosen ones whom he hath called to labour in his Vinyard that we called Quakers do not deny the Ordinance of God Christ to wit Baptism and breaking of bread c. as they stood in their time and place as is aforeshewed but for any to take them up by tradition or imitation according to the Doctrine of Pastor Hunt Baptist which said in the high place in their meeting at Kilkenny That none could follow Christ to be as perfect as he was Therefore saith he They must be as perfect as they can and follow him so well as they can and by imitation And so hee would make the Doctrine of Christ and his Ministers to be of none effect by his imitation and traditions for his Doctrine and Ministry was for the perfecting of the Saints c. they preacht wisdom amongst them that were perfect and they laboured to present every man perfect in Christ and Epaphras prayed they might stand perfect And the Apostle said They were compleat in Christ and come to mount Sion and to an innumerable company of Angels and to the spirits of just men made perfect And Christ said Whosoever will be my Disciple he must take up his dayly Cross and follow me He doth not say Follow me as well you can c. but his Disciples said We have followed thee in the regeneration c. and they received the Light of Life through which they loved one another and said Herein was their love made perfect and therein was their boldness because even as he was mark the reason in the day of Judgement even so were they in the present and were and are perfect and so they witnessed his Command and Doctrine fulfilled which said Be ye perfect even as your heavenly Father is perfect And for any as I said before to take up any Ordinance except moved of the Lord by imitation or tradition I manifestly affirm It is absolute Idolatry and Witchcraft drawing the minds of creatures into outward observations contrary to the law Testimony and that is the only Work of Antichrist crying Lo here lo there and Christ saith Go not forth to keepe the minds of creatures in outward things which perish in the using from the Light of the Son of God within which he hath enlightened every one that comes into the world withall that all men through him might believe and walk in the Light which would lead unto the one baptism to be baptized with the Holy Ghost and with Fire through which the heart comes to be purified and the Faith of God's elect comes to be received which gives the victory over the world and the mercy and peace from God comes abundantly to be multiplied in and on the new creature who is changed and raised to newness of life by the same power and glory that raised the Lord Jesus from the Grave So in the Light of the Son of God examine your selves ye Baptists whether you are come to know a real change of life and to be new creatures and old things past a way or passing away if not I testifie unto you in the Name of the most High God your baptism avails you nothing and you are not yet come to the true repentance not to be repented of And as sure as the Lord lives his just and righteous Judgement must you all come to feel revealed in you and upon that nature that hath disobeyed his Gospel through which Gods Righteousness comes to be revealed from Faith to Faith c. through which Revelation of his Righteous Judgements in flames of fire comes the creature to know the purging away the filth of the flesh and the consuming of the man of sin which hath a long time sate in the Temple of God and exalted himselfe above God even the mystery of iniquity comes to be revealed which hath a long time reigned through the Power of darkness which hath wrought
I demanded whether he meant Carnall sacrifices c. to wit the blood of bulls and goats c. as in the Leviticall Priesthood he answered Yea as in the former days of old and as in the years past Answ Here Joseph Parsons would go to make Christ the one offering by which he hath for ever perfected them that are sanctified to be of none effect by which one offering he changed both Law and Priesthood disannulled the Commandements which stood in meats and drinks and Carnall washings and the sacrificing and offering of the blood of bulls and goats c. which never made those that were the actors thereof clean or perfect as pertaining to the conscience which were but types and figures and stood in time and had a limitation of time to wit till the time of reformation Heb. 9.9.10 and though there was a time the Lord had regard unto those sacrifices c. And that they were as a sweet savour unto him and he delighted in them and in those that offered them Yet when their hearts went a whoring after other lovers And turned that which once the Lord required of them into Idolatry then the Lord loathed it and them and their solemnities-were a burden unto him and he sent his Prophets rising early to cry against them And by the mouth of the Prophets the Lord told them he had not required these things at their hands but it was abomination unto him Isa 1.11 to the 15. As saith the Lord I have not caused thee O Jacob to serve with offerings neither hast thou honoured me with thy sacrifices but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins as saith the Apostle Sacrifices and Carnall offerings thou wouldest not O God but a body hast thou prepared me c. So that when that body of Christ Jesus was offered up which came to do the will of God according as it was written in the Volume of the Book he mark for ever perfected and sanctified them which believed and followed him and changed that Law and Priesthood and is the end of it for righteousness sake c. And so I say if the work of Christ in this the mighty day of his Power and Judgement in which he is come and coming as a refiners fire to purge and purifie the Sons of Levy that they might offer an offering in righteousness c. I say if it were to offer Carnall Sacrifices as in the days of old it would be a building again that which he hath changed and I saith the Lord change not but the Apostles amongst whom that day of Judgement first began for one day is with the Lord as a thousand years c. they plainly shews what that offering was which the Prophet Mal. spoke of which should be pleasant unto the Lord as in the days of old and in former years c. for saith the Apostle to them which had tasted that the Lord was gracious ye also as Living stones are built up take notice of the offering that should bee pleasant c. a spirituall house an holy Priesthood to offer up spirituall sacrifices acceptable to God by Jesus Christ this was and is the everlasting offering that is offered up by the members of the Church and first fruits unto God since the long night of Apostancy who as living stones are built up a spirituall house a royall priesthood a holy nation a peculiar people that the Lord hath called out of darkness into the marvellous Light to shew forth his praise who hath lead and is leading through the judgment and the fire whereby blessing and glory glory to the Lord in the highest many are purged and purified even as fine gold through which they are come into the pure Life of Jesus from which an offering a sweet odour a savour acceptable unto the Lord as in the days of old and years past in righteousness is offered unto the Lord. So Joseph Parsons hath manifested himself to be amongst the Babylonish foolish builders and ignorant of the Scriptures not dividing the word aright The words of the Prophet Jeremiah are fulfilled in the Pastors for saith he the Pastors are become brutish and have not known the Lord in rightousness therefore they shall not prosper and all their flocks shall be scattered Jer. 10.21 And when the Prophet spoke of that day of the Lord in which the Lord would be and now is a swift witness against the forcerer the false prophet and false swearers adulterers and oppressors c. and also of the offering that should be pleasant c. He doth not speak there of the Carnall offerings of the Leviticall Priesthood but of the offerings of Judah c. Heb. 7.14 Mal. 3.4 And the Scripture saith it is evident that our Lord sprungout of Judah of which there was nothing spoke concerning Priesthood So this day that Scripture is fulfilled in your ears for the offering of Judah according to the Spirit and Jerusalem which is come down from God out of heaven and is free the mother of us all is pleasant unto the Lord as in the days of old and years past compare Mat. 3.4 1 Pet. 2.4 Gal. 4.25.26 Rev. 21.2 And they are not all Israel who are of Israel after the flesh but they are of the true Israel that are born of the immortall Word of God that lives and abides for ever in whose mouth is found no guile neither tells a lye and hee made all nations on the face of the whole earth of one flesh and blood Jo. 1.17 Rev. 14 5 Act. 17.26 and in Christ Jesus there is no difference whether Jew or Gentile male or female circumcision uncircumcision Barbarian Scythian bond or free for ye mark that are all one in Christ Jesus saith the Apostle Gal. 3.28 Col. 3.11 for Israel after the flesh stumbled at Christ the chief corner stone as many of the Pastors and Teachers now do at Christ the Light within so he is not a Jew who is one outwardly but he is a true Jew who is one inwardly following the Lamb in the regeneration whose praise is of God and not of man yet a bundantly will the Lord be glorified in the Jews according to the flesh the day of whose redemption draws near and their captivity hastneth to be at an end and that is the Word of the Lord God of hosts to the Jews 6 The rash Judgement of William Lee Baptist Teacher Governour of Waterford reproved and found false and so proved according to the Law and Testimony wherein also is a true testimony of the operation of the eternall power and Spirit of the Lord in the work of regeneration c. On the 4 day of the 6 month 1659. I being at And. Richets house then Mayor of Waterford about my releasing out of prison being then a prisoner for the testimony of Jesus And there being present he called Colenell William Lee and William Lamb a Baptist Pastor this did occasion some conference about the