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A discourse of the conference holden before the French King at Fontain-bleau between the L. Bishop of Eureux, and Munsieur de Plessis L. of Mornay, the 4. of May 1600. Concerning certaine pretended corruptions of authors, cyted by the sayd Munsieur de Plessis in his booke against the Masse. Faithfully translated out of the French.
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the_o which_o many_o good_a man_n have_v long_o grieve_v if_o to_o that_o purpose_n it_o may_v do_v any_o service_n he_o shall_v think_v himself_o most_o happy_a with_o whatsoever_o loss_n otherwise_o that_o himself_o can_v be_v the_o first_o man_n to_o wish_v it_o burn_v yea_o even_o with_o his_o own_o hand_n howbeit_o that_o he_o do_v hope_n that_o upon_o upright_o examination_n all_o the_o world_n shall_v find_v that_o he_o have_v use_v all_o sincerity_n and_o great_a diligence_n albeit_o it_o be_v not_o great_o to_o be_v marvel_v that_o among_o 5000._o place_n or_o more_o there_o may_v pass_v some_o few_o wherein_o his_o eye_n his_o memory_n or_o even_o his_o judgement_n may_v waner_o which_o yet_o be_v such_o as_o can_v be_v of_o no_o importance_n to_o hurt_v the_o truth_n that_o he_o therein_o handle_v for_o save_v he_o be_v all_o the_o book_n of_o the_o doctor_n of_o the_o romish_a church_n that_o have_v be_v write_v within_o these_o hundred_o year_n as_o rigorous_o examine_v where_o shall_v we_o find_v one_o that_o can_v abide_v the_o proof_n beside_o with_o his_o majesty_n leave_n he_o protest_v that_o this_o be_v a_o particular_a action_n &_o consequent_o can_v not_o prejudice_n the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o reform_a church_n of_o the_o realm_n which_o be_v before_o he_o and_o shall_v be_v after_o he_o and_o so_o continue_v for_o ever_o and_o then_o do_v they_o enter_v into_o the_o matter_n the_o first_o place_n out_o of_o scotus_n the_o first_o place_n that_o the_o lord_n of_o eureux_fw-fr do_v set_v upon_o edition_n the_o 4._o book_n of_o the_o eucharist_n c._n 9_o p._n 869._o l._n 26._o of_o the_o first_o edi_n p._n 936._o line_n 2._o of_o the_o 2._o edition_n p._n 7â—â—_o l._n 25._o of_o the_o 3_o edition_n be_v take_v out_o of_o the_o 869_o page_n line_n 26._o of_o the_o lord_n plessis_n book_n of_o the_o institution_n of_o the_o eucharist_n namely_o within_o eight_o leaf_n of_o the_o end_n here_o let_v the_o reader_n judge_v what_o method_n this_o 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resolution_n &_o in_o both_o these_o matter_n he_o pretend_v heinous_a untruth_n to_o the_o 1._o the_o l._n of_o bless_v aswer_v that_o whereas_o he_o say_v that_o scot_n have_v bring_v into_o question_n whether_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n be_v real_o contain_v under_o the_o form_n he_o understand_v it_o by_o the_o way_n of_o transubstantiation_n and_o his_o meaning_n do_v sufficient_o appear_v first_o in_o that_o in_o the_o chap_n which_o be_v the_o nine_o of_o the_o four_o book_n he_o entreat_v of_o the_o absurdity_n &_o contradiction_n proceed_v of_o the_o transubstantiation_n second_o because_o in_o the_o same_o it_o be_v say_v a_o hundred_o year_n after_o the_o council_n of_o latran_n that_o be_v to_o say_v after_o the_o article_n of_o transubstantiation_n be_v establish_v to_o the_o second_o that_o albeit_o the_o schoolman_n do_v dispute_v their_o question_n in_o utramque_fw-la partem_fw-la yet_o do_v they_o withal_o show_v their_o own_o inclination_n yea_o sometime_o their_o 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the_o sacrament_n be_v believe_v it_o be_v continual_o believe_v that_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n alter_v not_o out_o of_o his_o place_n in_o heaven_n to_o be_v here_o and_o yet_o be_v it_o not_o thus_o manifest_o believe_v at_o the_o begin_n of_o this_o conversion_n as_o it_o shall_v be_v say_v do_v xi_o and_o let_v the_o reader_n note_n that_o over_o against_o this_o article_n that_o begin_v 11._o quantum_fw-la ad_fw-la istum_fw-la artien'â—_n nonvidetur_fw-la necessarium_fw-la sugiendum_fw-la esse_fw-la ad_fw-la conversionem_fw-la panâ—s_fw-la in_o corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la precipuâ—_n cum_fw-la a_o priâ—cipio_fw-la exquo_fw-la res_fw-la imius_fw-la sacrament_n fuit_fw-la credita_fw-la fuit_fw-la sempercre_fw-la ditum_fw-la quod_fw-la corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la â—â—n_fw-la mutatur_fw-la de_fw-la loco_fw-la svo_fw-la in_o câ—elo_fw-la ut_fw-la sit_fw-la hic_fw-la &_o tamen_fw-la non_fw-la fuit_fw-la in_o principio_fw-la ita_fw-la manifest_a creditum_fw-la de_fw-la ista_fw-la conversione_n ut_fw-la dicetar_n do_v 11._o quantum_fw-la it_o be_v quote_v in_o the_o margin_n resolutio-scoti_n scot_n resolution_n so_o that_o by_o scot_n resolution_n the_o church_n do_v not_o always_o believe_v the_o conversion_n the_o conversion_n be_v not_o necessary_a in_o the_o sacrament_n therefore_o do_v not_o the_o lord_n of_o plessis_n in_o this_o place_n take_v scot_n opposition_n instead_o of_o his_o resolution_n and_o this_o be_v gather_v very_o brief_a by_o such_o as_o write_v for_o either_o side_n namely_o the_o lord_n of_o grigny_n pasquier_n and_o vassaut_n as_o likewise_o be_v all_o the_o rest_n that_o ensue_v howbeit_o in_o that_o which_o the_o lord_n of_o plessis_n consequent_o do_v allege_v concern_v the_o xi_o dist_n of_o the_o 4._o book_n q._n 3._o scot_n opinion_n do_v yet_o more_o clear_o appear_v for_o after_o he_o have_v cite_v jnnocent_a the_o 3._o the_o offic_n missae_fw-la par_fw-fr 3._o cap._n 26._o to_o prove_v three_o opinion_n upon_o this_o argument_n the_o first_o sangumem_fw-la first_o sâ—ctus_fw-la in_o 4._o sentent_fw-fr d._n 11._o qu._n 3._o fol._n 31._o light_v b._n circa_n hoc_fw-la erant_fw-la tres_fw-la opiniones_fw-la una_fw-la quod_fw-la panis_fw-la manet_fw-la &_o tamencum_fw-la ipso_fw-la veer_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la alia_fw-la quod_fw-la panis_fw-la non_fw-la manet_fw-la &_o tamen_fw-la non_fw-la convertitur_fw-la sed_fw-la decinit_fw-la esse_fw-la vel_fw-la per_fw-la annichilationem_fw-la vel_fw-la per_fw-la resolutionem_fw-la in_o materiam_fw-la vel_fw-la per_fw-la corruptionem_fw-la in_o aliud_fw-la tertia_fw-la quod_fw-la panis_fw-la transubstantiatur_fw-la in_o corpus_fw-la &_o vinum_fw-la in_o sangumem_fw-la that_o the_o bread_n remain_v and_o yet_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n be_v with_o the_o bread_n the_o second_o that_o the_o bread_n remain_v not_o and_o yet_o be_v not_o convert_v but_o cease_v to_o be_v whether_o by_o be_v make_v nothing_o whether_o by_o be_v resolve_v into_o the_o first_o matter_n or_o corrupt_v into_o any_o other_o thing_n the_o three_o that_o the_o bread_n be_v transubstantiate_v into_o the_o body_n the_o wine_n into_o the_o blood_n he_o consequent_o come_v to_o ground_v the_o first_o opinion_n very_o substantial_o in_o that_o he_o say_v transubstantiatione_fw-la say_v 〈…〉_o potest_fw-la 〈◊〉_d ista_fw-la transubstantiatione_fw-la that_o the_o truth_n of_o the_o eucharist_n may_v be_v keep_v without_o transubstantiation_n second_o spiritualis_fw-la second_o et_fw-la pancis_fw-la interâ—ctis_fw-la substantia_fw-la pant_n cum_fw-la suis_fw-la accidentil_a 〈◊〉_d a_o que_fw-fr potest_fw-la esse_fw-la signum_fw-la si_fw-la â—ut_fw-la sola_fw-la accidentia_fw-la imò_fw-la magis_fw-la quia_fw-la substantia_fw-la panis_fw-la subspeciebus_fw-la magis_fw-la est_fw-la nutrimentum_fw-la quà m_fw-la accidentia_fw-la ergo_fw-la magis_fw-la repraesentat_fw-la corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la in_o ratione_fw-la nutrimenti_fw-la spiritualis_fw-la that_o the_o bread_n with_o the_o accident_n thereof_o do_v rather_o represent_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n by_o a_o anology_n of_o the_o bodily_a sustâ—naâ—â—nce_n with_o the_o spiritual_a than_o they_o â—â—oe_v by_o the_o only_a accident_n three_o esse_fw-la three_o et_fw-la
paulò_fw-la post_fw-la ponendo_fw-la panem_fw-la manere_fw-la cum_fw-la suis_fw-la accidentibus_fw-la &_o corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la ibi_fw-la esse_fw-la verè_fw-la pauciâ—ra_fw-la ponuntur_fw-la miracula_fw-la quam_fw-la ponendo_fw-la panem_fw-la ibi_fw-la esse_fw-la that_o of_o the_o transubstantiation_n there_o ensue_v more_o inconvenience_n then_o of_o any_o other_o opinion_n four_o rationem_fw-la four_o rursus_fw-la aliquartò_fw-la post_fw-la mirum_fw-la videtur_fw-la quare_fw-la in_o uno_fw-la articulo_fw-la qui_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la principalis_fw-la articulus_fw-la fidei_fw-la debeat_fw-la talis_fw-la intellectus_fw-la asseri_fw-la propter_fw-la quem_fw-la fides_fw-la pateat_fw-la contemptui_fw-la se_fw-la quentium_fw-la rationem_fw-la that_o it_o be_v marvel_n say_v he_o that_o 〈◊〉_d a_o article_n which_o be_v no_o principal_a article_n of_o say_v they_o shall_v affirm_v a_o sense_n or_o understanding_n by_o the_o which_o the_o faith_n be_v thrust_v forth_o for_o a_o scorn_n to_o all_o those_o that_o ensue_v reason_n last_o etc._n last_o sequitur_fw-la immedâ—atè_fw-la nihil_fw-la est_fw-la tenendum_fw-la tanquam_fw-la de_fw-la substantia_fw-la fidei_fw-la nisi_fw-la quod_fw-la potest_fw-la extpressè_fw-la haberi_fw-la de_fw-la scriptura_fw-la vel_fw-la expressè_fw-la declaratum_fw-la est_fw-la per_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la vel_fw-la evidenter_fw-la sequitur_fw-la ex_fw-la aliquo_fw-la planè_fw-la contento_fw-it in_fw-it scriptura_fw-la vel_fw-la plane_n de_fw-la terminato_fw-la ab_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o as_o nothing_o be_v to_o be_v hold_v as_o of_o the_o substance_n of_o faith_n that_o can_v express_o be_v gather_v out_o of_o the_o scripture_n or_o that_o be_v not_o express_o declare_v by_o the_o church_n or_o that_o be_v not_o evident_o gather_v out_o of_o matter_n at_o full_a contain_v in_o the_o scripture_n or_o plain_o determine_v by_o the_o church_n inferri_fw-la church_n mox_fw-la non_fw-it cauten_fw-mi non_fw-la videtur_fw-la express_v haberi_fw-la non_fw-la esse_fw-la ibi_fw-la substantiam_fw-la panis_fw-la nam_fw-la joamnis_n 6._o ubi_fw-la multum_fw-la probatur_fw-la veritas_fw-la eucharistiae_fw-la planum_fw-la est_fw-la ubi_fw-la christus_fw-la diâ—it_fw-la ego_fw-la sum_fw-la panis_fw-la viws_fw-la qui_fw-la manducaverit_fw-la ex_fw-la hoc_fw-la pane_fw-la etc._n etc._n et_fw-la 1._o ad_fw-la cor._n 11._o pau_n lus_z panis_n quem_fw-la frangimus_fw-la nun_n communicatio_fw-la corporis_fw-la christi_fw-la est_fw-la nec_fw-la invenitur_fw-la ubi_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la istam_fw-la veritatem_fw-la determinet_fw-la solenniter_fw-la nec_fw-la etiam_fw-la qualiter_fw-la istud_fw-la possit_fw-la ab_fw-la alâ—quo_fw-la manifest_a credito_fw-la evidenter_fw-la inferri_fw-la yet_o it_o do_v not_o seem_v express_o set_v down_o that_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n be_v not_o in_o the_o sacrament_n but_o contrariwise_o s._n paul_n 1_o corrin_n cap_n 11._o say_v the_o bread_n that_o we_o break_v be_v it_o not_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n neythere_o do_v we_o find_v where_o the_o church_n have_v solemn_o determine_v of_o this_o truth_n neither_o how_v it_o may_v be_v infer_v of_o any_o thing_n manifest_o believe_v then_o do_v he_o proceed_v and_o ground_v the_o second_o opinion_n upon_o the_o like_a reason_n yea_o and_o do_v earnest_o refel_v the_o reason_n of_o thomas_n as_o well_o against_o they_o as_o for_o transubstantiation_n which_o be_v the_o three_o last_o come_v to_o resolve_v he_o wot_v not_o almost_o what_o else_o to_o say_v but_o that_o etc._n that_o item_n so_o 82._o b_o lit_fw-fr e._n communiter_fw-la tenetur_fw-la quod_fw-la nec_fw-la panis_fw-la manet_fw-la contra_fw-la primam_fw-la opinionem_fw-la nec_fw-la annihilatur_fw-la nec_fw-la resoluitur_fw-la in_o materiam_fw-la primam_fw-la sed_fw-la convertitur_fw-la in_o corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la etc._n etc._n it_o be_v common_o hold_v that_o the_o bread_n remain_v not_o contrary_a to_o the_o first_o opinion_n and_o be_v not_o likewise_o take_v away_o or_o resolve_v into_o the_o first_o matter_n namely_o according_a to_o the_o second_o but_o be_v convert_v into_o the_o body_n of_o christ_n and_o by_o what_o reason_n or_o authority_n sure_o say_v he_o this_o do_v etc._n do_v mox_fw-la principaliter_fw-la videtur_fw-la i_o movere_fw-la quod_fw-la de_fw-la sacramentis_fw-la tenendum_fw-la est_fw-la sicutsancta_fw-la romana_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la sicut_fw-la habetur_fw-la extra_n de_fw-fr heretic_n ad_fw-la obolendan_n nunc_fw-la auten_v ipsa_fw-la tenet_fw-la panem_fw-la transubstantiari_fw-la in_o corpus_fw-la &_o vinum_fw-la in_o sanguinem_fw-la sicut_fw-la manifest_a habetur_fw-la extra_n de_fw-fr summa_fw-la tri_n nit_n &_o side_n cathol_n firmitercredimus_fw-la una_fw-la vero_fw-la etc._n etc._n especial_o seem_v to_o move_v i_o that_o we_o must_v hold_v of_o the_o sacrament_n as_o the_o holy_a church_n of_o rome_n hold_v as_o it_o be_v set_v down_o extra_n de_fw-fr haereticis_fw-la ad_fw-la abolendam_fw-la etc._n etc._n but_o she_o now_o hold_v that_o the_o bread_n be_v transubstantiate_v into_o the_o body_n &_o the_o wine_n into_o the_o blood_n as_o we_o have_v it_o manifest_o set_v down_o extra_n de_fw-fr summa_fw-la trinit_fw-la &_o fide_fw-la cath._n firmiter_fw-la credimus_fw-la etc._n etc._n una_fw-la vero_fw-la that_o be_v to_o say_v in_o the_o decree_n of_o latran_n but_o what_o a_o answer_n here_o be_v to_o that_o which_o be_v so_o well_o ground_v that_o we_o must_v hold_v nothing_o to_o be_v of_o the_o substance_n of_o faith_n but_o that_o which_o be_v express_o in_o the_o scripture_n or_o that_o be_v take_v out_o of_o some_o what_o plain_o planè_fw-la contain_v in_o the_o scripture_n or_o that_o have_v be_v express_o declare_v by_o the_o church_n true_o to_o this_o argument_n wherein_o say_v he_o consist_v the_o force_n he_o have_v no_o more_o to_o say_v but_o etc._n but_o ibid._n lit_fw-fr g._n ad_fw-la tertium_fw-la ubi_fw-la star_n vis_fw-la docendum_fw-la quod_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la declaravit_fw-la istum_fw-la intellectum_fw-la esse_fw-la de_fw-la veritate_fw-la fidei_fw-la in_o ille_fw-la simbolo_fw-it edito_fw-la sub_fw-la innocentio_n 3_o in_o concilio_n lateranensi_fw-la firmiter_fw-la credimus_fw-la etc._n etc._n the_o church_n of_o god_n have_v declare_v this_o understanding_n or_o this_o sense_n to_o be_v the_o truth_n of_o the_o faith_n in_o that_o creed_n that_o be_v form_v under_o innocent_a the_o three_o in_o the_o counsel_n of_o latran_n etc._n etc._n the_o same_o we_o have_v in_o reportat_fw-la do_v 10._o q._n 1._o &_o do_v 11._o q._n 3._o for_o have_v argue_v upon_o the_o 3._o opinion_n &_o with_o the_o afore_o name_v reason_n fight_v with_o transubstantiation_n he_o particular_o say_v etc._n say_v idem_fw-la repor_fw-la in_o 4._o sentent_fw-fr d._n 11._o q._n 3._o p._n 20._o imprime_fw-la a_o venize_v apud_fw-la 〈◊〉_d bapt._n &_o joan._n bernardun_n sessam_fw-la 1597._o dico_fw-la quod_fw-la licet_fw-la substantia_fw-la panis_fw-la maneret_fw-la non_fw-la auserret_fw-la venerationem_fw-la neque_fw-la esset_fw-la occasio_fw-la idolatriae_fw-la etc._n etc._n i_o say_v that_o albeit_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n shall_v remain_v yet_o can_v it_o not_o abolish_v the_o worship_n of_o the_o sacrament_n neither_o be_v any_o cause_n of_o idolatry_n etc._n etc._n again_o accident_n again_o ibid._n dico_fw-la quod_fw-la magis_fw-la substantia_fw-la panis_fw-la cum_fw-la accidentibus_fw-la repraesentat_fw-la corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la quam_fw-la accidentia_fw-la tantum_fw-la eum_fw-la maior_fw-la sit_fw-la convenientia_fw-la substantiae_fw-la ad_fw-la substantiam_fw-la quam_fw-la ad_fw-la accident_n i_o say_v that_o the_o substance_n of_o bread_n with_o the_o accident_n do_v better_o represent_v the_o body_n of_o christ_n then_o the_o accident_n only_o etc._n etc._n here_o note_v that_o these_o word_n be_v his_o own_o and_o so_o he_o proceed_v to_o conclude_v simple_o in_o these_o word_n etc._n word_n ibidan_n opinion_n auctoris_fw-la teneo_fw-la conclusionem_fw-la quia_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la tenet_fw-la quia_fw-la side_n petri_n non_fw-la desiciet_fw-la et_fw-la iam_fw-la sub_fw-la innocentio_n 3_o ordinatum_fw-la fuit_fw-la tenendum_fw-la etc._n etc._n i_o hold_v the_o conclusion_n because_o the_o church_n hold_v it_o for_o the_o faith_n of_o s._n peter_n shall_v not_o fail_v and_o now_o under_o innocent_a the_o 3._o it_o be_v decree_v to_o be_v thus_o hold_v etc._n etc._n a_o most_o evidentargument_n that_o the_o reason_n that_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o sacrament_n that_o the_o faith_n proceed_v from_o the_o church_n yea_o that_o the_o holy_a scripture_n will_v have_v carry_v it_o away_o otherwise_o have_v it_o not_o be_v stay_v by_o the_o decision_n of_o the_o counsel_n of_o latran_n angel_n latran_n dominicus_n 〈◊〉_d soto_n in_o li._n 4._o senten_n d_o 11_o joseph_n angel_n consequent_o a_o argument_n as_o the_o l._n of_o bless_v do_v maintain_v that_o that_o which_o he_o say_v tend_v not_o simple_o to_o argue_v upon_o it_o but_o to_o show_v what_o his_o resolution_n have_v be_v have_v he_o not_o be_v withheld_a with_o a_o strong_a bridle_n and_o indeed_o dominicus_n a_o soto_n one_o of_o their_o most_o famous_a doctor_n do_v not_o forbear_v to_o impute_v unto_o scot_n that_o he_o hold_v but_o a_o hard_a resolution_n of_o transubstantiation_n as_o a_o matter_n not_o to_o be_v uphold_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o scripture_n and_o joseph_n angle_n conversione_n angle_n in_o floribus_fw-la theologi_fw-la carum_fw-la quastionum_fw-la cue_n est_fw-la 5._o the_o conversione_n