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A30534 A message proclaimed. By divine authority from the chosen assembly of the redeemed people in England, to the Pope (chief bishop) of Rome, and to his cardinals, Jesuits, and priests, and all other the officers of the Romish Church, where it shall meet with them through the world: that they may appear, and come forth to triall, and shew if they have the same faith, power, spirit, and authoritie, and government, as had the Apostles and true churches, before the apostacie: and this is a full invitation and challenge to the whole Church of Rome, and the beginning of controversie with her, for the perfect manifestation of the long hidden truth; betwixt them that are in the truth it self, and such as have the form, but not the power; that all things may be brought to light and true judgement. Written by an embassador for the true and living God, E.B. Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. 1658 (1658) Wing B6013A; ESTC R203576 16,877 25

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of the bodie of Christ and baptized into his true Church and is it a perfect seal and sign of the new birth and regeneration as is professed and doth that give all children that are sprinkled a right to the Kingdom of God and to be members of the Church of Christ and satisfie us plainly is the sprinkling of an Infant never having heard of Gospel but while unconverted and unchanged in nature the true baptism into the true Faith of Christ as it is professed Answer me plainly yea or nay 6. Whether the bodie and bloud of Christ that is meat indeed and drink indeed be carnal and visible things to be seen felt and known visiblie and carnallie and whether bread and wine that is mortall and will corrupt be the very body and the very bloud of Christ Jesus and whether Christ hath any other bodie and bloud to be known in any other way or manner then what is professed to be visiblie and carnallie known by you and is that bread after consecration the verie expresse Image of the Father and was with the Father before the world began else it is not the bodie of Christ answer me plainlie 7. Again we are not satisfied concerning your burning and torturing and imprisoning in cruel Iquisitions and Goals such as dissenteth from you and cannot believe in your church which ye call hereticks whether is not this done by your church or any member thereof and do you justifie the doing of it by the authoritie of your church and we demand of you to give us example for such practises in Scripture ever practised by the Apostles or true Church or any member thereof to burn or kill or imprison such as would not own them and were hereticks otherwise we must condemn it and judge you eternally for it and whether such practises done at Rome and in her dominions be not murder and crueltie and tyrannie and shedding of innocent bloud and of the devil the wicked one answer me plainly and satisfie us herein that we may know how to deal with you in controversie 8. Again we are not satisfied concerning the abundance of Images of the Saints set up and bowed to among you and your praying before them and to the Saints and by beads and in set forms such things you practise and also your keeping and setting apart the Saints daies and your holy daies and eating with respect to daies denying of flesh such and such daies and observing of daies and meats and drinks and fasting in your own wils and your Nunneries and keeping men and women one from another in secret houses whether are these things commanded and required of the Lord from you and we charge you to give us some example that ever the true Church practised such things otherwise if you do not nor cannot prove these your practises from the Scriptures and example of the Apostles before you we must deny you and condemn your practises for ever and cannot believe that your church is the true church nor you lawful successors of the holy Apostles 9. What you believe concerning the reign and government of Christ and his coming is he his reign and government visible and of this world or invisible and from heaven and whether liars whoremongers adulterers drunkards man-slayers and contentious men or any that lives in any sin or transgression in the first nature be of the kingdome and government of Jesus or hath any part or portion therein in time to come for ever and how may such ever have part therein and give us your knowledge in these things and also what you hold and profess concerning Election and Reprobation that we may know whether your knowledge and faith be sound and perfect in these things and to be imbraced or condemned and denied 10. What is the Man-child that hath been caught up to God and what is the reason of his being caught up and what is the Woman that fled into the wildernesse and what is the cause of her so flying and when is the the time is it come or to come that the Man-child hath been caught up the woman fled that the man-child shall come down again the Woman again return and what is that Beast the first and the second and is his kingdom come or yet to come who reigned over the Kings of the earth and caused all both small and great to worship him and killed the Saints and overcome them that would not worship him and made war against the Lamb and persecuted the Womans seed and when is it that the world wondered after the Beast is it come or to come answer these things in plainness we demand of you 11. What and who is that great Whore that sits upon many waters with whom the Kings of the earth commits fornications and who hath made Nations drunk with the wine of her fornications and who hath reigned over the Kings and dominions of the earth and is that Whore come or yet to come and whether is your church every whit free from the fornications of that Whore and will you admit of lawful trial by your fruits and works and suffer judgement accordinglie and whether the whole church of Rome or any part of her dominions be the multitudes peoples and nations and tongues the waters or which the Whore sits and whether your church be whollie free from that Woman which have drunk the bloud of Saints and of the Martyrs of Jesus and shew us plainlie who that Whore is if you can and what is her flesh and the fire that must burn it 12. Whether are the false prophets and deceivers come or to come which Christ said should come if you say they are come when did they come and who are they and how may they be known and what was their first original and out of what doth all false prophets and false prophecies come is the church of Rome clear of all the false prophets and whether is your ministrie in the verie same power spirit and authoritie which the Apostles were in is its call and ordination the verie same is its maintenance and practice the verie same and its fruits effects and end the verie same or some other let us know from you that we may lay you to the line of true judgement for all people and nations to behold And come friends let us reason a little with you further we are not satisfied that the Bishop of Rome is true and lawful successor of the Apostle Peter had Peter a triple crown and did Kings bow and kneel to him and had Peter such large revenues and money out of the Nations as the Pope Hath did Peter sell pardons for money or did any buy religion of him and did Peter at all rule over mens consciences and was Peter named holinesse we demand of you to prove rightlie and trulie that the Pope doth succeed Peter in the same Spirit in the same power and in the same conversation and that his call to
thereof and answer us doth natural learning make a Minister of Christ or was the Apostles made Ministers thereby and can a man learn the Ministrie naturally as he learns a trade and is the preaching of the Gospel a trade or is it not the gift of God and can it be bought and sold and what is eternal life and how is it received and hath any that hope but them whose hearts are purified and must not everie ones heart be purified before they see God who is pure and how comes man to be a Reprobate and how comes man to be a Son of God again and what is the way and meanes of life eternal is it carnal and visible things and Ordinances is it the doing and performing of something by the creature or by the revelation of something in the creature and must not Christ be revealed in every particular and is not that the true bread of life and is there any other bread that is eternal but Christ which the mortal eye cannot see and we are very doubtful that bread and wine after consecration is not the very bodie and bloud of Christ and except you can prove to us by plain Scripture and give us sound reasons to demonstrate things we must judge you and shew your folly to the whole world and why do you pray for the dead is that available shall not they receive according to their works that they have done give us example that ever the Apostles did so or else we will say you are blind and in the dark and tell us plainly what error is and what schism is and what is the eye that the god of the world hath blinded and what is the eye that sees God is it mortal or eternal Answer us these things in plainnesse that we may know how to return in controversie with you for the Lord God is risen that will break in pieces and confound all the world And come friends give us your answer are you of Abrahams seed that was the friend of God that had not a foot of ground but forsook his place and kindred are you of that birth that hath no father upon earth and are you heirs of Gods promise and have you made your calling and election sure and is the seed come out of Egypts bonds and is all Egypts bonds broken yet and what is the bondage of Egypt and was not transgression the reason of it and what is Pharaoh out of what root did he spring and whose seed is he and is not the hard heart of Pharaoh killers and murderers are not such of Pharaoh and tell us plainly are you redeemed from Pharaoh or you are such as oppresseth the seed as Pharaoh did and tell us who was the inventer of all your Images and who was the former of all your graven Images are not they all invented and come up since the Apostles daies which ye have set up and what is Purgatorie and from what had it its rise and original and what ground have you out of Scripture for such a doctrine and what is the rule of faith and what is faith and what doth it give victorie over and what doth it overcome and what is the vail that hath been spread over all Nations and what is the Mountain of the house of God and what are those mountains the wicked shall seek to cover themselves under and what are those mountains that people expect salvation from in vain and did not Iohn come to throw down the mountains and what are the mountains that he came to throw down and what is the valley he came to raise up answer us and what is the sword of the Spirit and whether have ye the sword of the Spirit and the spiritual Armor and what is your church defended and upheld by spiritual weapons or carnal is not your goals carnal weapons and your inquisitions and your killing people about Religion are not all these carnal weapons and had ever the Church of Christ such weapons answer me plainlie and do you not expect the Lord will suddenlie plead with you and are not ye them that put off the day of the Lord and causeth the seat of violence to come neer and are not ye them that have eyes but see not ears and hear not hearts and understand not and is not your eye blind that should see Gods presence and your ears stopped that should hear his voyce and have you heard his voice and seen his shape if you have what is he like answer us and what is his Word and where doth it dwell in your hearts or is it without you and can any thing without you purifie you and take away sin out of your hearts and must not Christ be within and what is the fruits and signs and marks of a Saint and why do you go pilgrims to visit dead bones what is the reason of it and who was the first that instituted it and what is the meaning of your holy water give us Scripture for all these practises or else the power of the Lord will tear you to pieces and lay open your foundation and none that love God can joyn unto you and can any of you pardon sin trulie that it shall never more be remembred and is not your sins remembred with the light in your consciences some time and is there not a light in your consciences that doth convince you tell me plainlie and whether do you own that Christ hath lightened everie one that comes into the world and what is the light and do you know Christ as he was before Abraham and have you seen his day as Abraham did and what is the day of Christ doth the carnal eye see it give us your knowledge and your judgement in all these things and lay down your principles at full and prove by the Scriptures what you hold and profess if you would have any to turn to your Religion otherwise renounce your church and come out of Babylon what is Babylon and the Mother of Harlots and what is spiritual Egypt and Sodom where Christ is crucified and what is the Whore and what is her flesh that hath stained the earth and what is the fire that must consume her flesh manie are jealous concerning you that you are not the true Church but that you have drunken of the Whores cup who hath made all Nations drunk and if that time be come that she have made all Nations drunk then how can you clear your selves being nations and multitudes of people To all these things I expect your speedie answer and what is the death that hath raigned over all and how is man recovered out of it and when and what is the gates of hell and what is the Rock that they cannot prevail against and whether your church may never be prevailed against and whether it be not your inquisitions stakes and faggots and killing people that doth principally defend your church and if you should cease your inquisitions and killing
A Message Proclaimed BY DIVINE AUTHORITY From the chosen Assembly of the redeemed people in England To the Pope chief Bishop of Rome and to his Cardinals Jesuits and Priests and all other the Officers of the Romish Church where it shall meet with them through the world That they may appear and come forth to triall and shew if they have the same Faith Power Spirit and Authoritie and Government as had the Apostles and true Churches before the Apostacie And this is a full Invitation and Challenge to the whole Church of Rome and the beginning of controversie with her for the perfect manifestation of the long hidden Truth betwixt them that are in the Truth it self and such as have the form but not the power that all things may be brought to light and true judgement Written by an Embassador for the true and living God E. B. LONDON Printed for Thomas Simmons at the Bull and Mouth neer Aldersgate This to be delivered to the Chief Bishop of Rome or to his Secretary From the Elect and gathered Assembly of the chosen people in the Nation of England called in derision and known amongst all false Sects by the name of QUAKERS and by a Servant of the great God of Heaven and Earth and a Member of that people this is written To the Pope Chief Bishop and his Cardidals at Rome and to his Bishops Iesuits and Priests there and else-where thorough the Dominions of the Romish Church scattered abread in the Nations WHereas we a poor despised and rejected people among the Nations of the earth yet dreadful and mightie because the Majestie and Presence of the Lord God is with us who hath called us and chosen us and gathered us and redeemed us from among men out of kindreds and multitudes and peoples into one body and one spirit out of all the Sects upon the earth and we are of one mind and one soul having fellowship with the Son and with the Father being come through great tribulations and many fierie trials and are refined and purified and made clean and white in the bloud of the Lamb being fully recovered out of the great deluge of darknesse and Apostacie which hath overflown and drowned the whole world and all nations since the daies of the true Churches and holy Apostles And know ye that we are none of all the many Sects nor of the divers waies and formal worshippers that are but in the imitations fained of what the Saints of old spoke and performed in the Power and Spirit of God which hath been spoken and practised by all the divers Sects and false Churches without the Spirit Power and Life that was in the Apostles so that all Religion hath been and the profession and practise thereof for many Ages but as the floating of a broken vessel upon the waters driven with the several winds wanting Anchor and skilful Mariners which hath not carried to perfect Rest the hope of Eternal life But know ye that now at last through our long and wearied travels and after all our tedious seekings and our zealous practises and profession in Christianitie performed by us while darkness covered us and the earth hath the Lord set us safe upon the Rock Christ Jesus upon whom the Church of Christ firmly standeth and the gates of hell cannot prevail against and he hath made our habitation sure upon the Mountain of his house which is established upon the top of all mountains whereunto we now are gathered and rest in a certain hope and tried confidence and doth view the whole world and the state of all mankind and measureth the times and seasons thoroughout Generations and the state of the Church we perfectly know by the inspiration of the Almightie her estate before the Apostles daies and in the Apostles daies and since the Apostles daies and her increase and decrease and estate since the beginning of the world till now and at this present time to us is certainlie known by the Spirit of Jesus and the light of the Lamb which now is risen upon our Mountain and shines in our habitations And first we certifie you as for the many false Sects and Churches so called and many of the divers worshippers and separated forms of Churches risen up since the Apostles daies from the least of them to the greatest we have searched and examined and are not fully satisfied but rather the contrarie that they are perfectly sound in the Faith but rather degenerated from the Power Spirit and Life that was in the Apostles and among the true Churches before the Apostacie and we have sought out their first original and root and we find they fall short of the true Church and the Apostles first in respect of time many Generations and also in respect of life and power and puritie and they want the spirit and dominion and government that the true Churches and Apostles possessed and we certainly believe they are many of them come up and risen in a dark night long since the daies of the Apostles while the Sun was yet unrisen and while the mountains of ignorance blindnesse and wickedness covered the face of the earth and the clouds of darknesse remained upon the face of the whole heavens and while yet the man-child remains in God being caught up to him and the woman lodged in the desolate wildernesse being thither fled because of the great red Dragon And we believe not that any of them are the Lambs Wife lawfully joyned to him neither are they the Virgin in which there is no spot nor the Spouse truly in election to Christ the Bridegroom for we have had controversie with them this divers years and weighed them and measured them in the ballance of equitie and they appear to us not to be of a true descent from that Vine into which the true Church was planted but their original may be of a latter race And to say no more of them we certainly know they are foully spotted and hath not the favour nor parts nor garments of a Virgin and Christ the Bridegroom they have deeply wronged for many false Sects have risen out of the great Whore the mother of Harlots who hath been in open and secret fornication every since the daies of the Apostles and such are her off-spring and not of the true Seed elect which is heir by right of the inheritance of life eternal the Kingdom which hath no end And for as much as the Church of Rome hath openly pleaded as we have heard and some of your Members also to our faces that she is indeed the true Church and she alone and none besides and that you can fetch your original by line truly from the Apostles and Church of the Saints and are not degenerated in any particular of Faith Doctrine nor Practise from the Life and Power and Government and Spirit which was among the true Church and in the Apostles These things with others the like have we heard of you and concerning you