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A10699	A Catholicke conference betvveene Syr Tady Mac. Mareall a popish priest of VVaterforde, and Patricke Plaine a young student in Trinity Colledge by Dublin in Ireland VVherein is deliuered the certayne maner of execution that was vsed vpon a popish bishop, and a popish priest, that for seueral matters of treason were executed at Dublin the first of February, now last past. 16ll. Strange to be related, credible to be beleeued, and pleasant to bee perused. By Barnabe Rych, Gent. seruant to the Kinges most excellent Maiestie.	Rich, Barnabe, 1540?-1617.	1612 (1612)	STC 20981; ESTC S115901	41,203	61

him euen by the truth of his and our nature flesh and substance as members of the same body to their head the sacrament is but onely annexed as a signe to the heauenly grace and therefore your imagination of this real presence is odible heresie and your worshipping the elimentes of bread and wine abhominable Idolatry Ta. But tell me Patricke is this the doctrine of your Colledge Pa. No Syr Tady it is the doctrine of Christ that is reade and taught in the Colledge It was pitie that Academe of heresie was euer founded for sith the erection of that paultry school house the Catholicke religion is dispised God is dishonored and our blessed Lady is out of all request throughout the whole Realme of Ireland Pa. O good Syr Tady be not deceiued Ladies were neuer in better request then they be at this day in Dublyne Ta. You are contemners of the Catholicke religion in your not adoring the blessed sacrament you dishonor God Pa. I wonder from whence you doe fetch your adoration we haue warrant in the scriptures to take and eate but not to kneele downe and worship Ta. Did not Christ say this is my body Pa He did so but is that all that you haue to say for your worshipping Ta. Doth not your Colledge teach that Christ is alwayes present with vs here on earth Pa. Our Sauiour himselfe hath spoke it Loe I am alwayes present with you till the end of the world Ta. That 's well yet that you are conformable to some thing Pa. His diuinitie no doubt is alwayes present with vs but in his humanitie neyther really locally nor corporally as the papist doth grosly imagine Ta. Are you there againe with your Beares I say if he be present with vs it must needes be corporally and locally comprised in the formes of bread and wine in the blessed sacrament Pa. You make your reall and corporall presence to be a shelter for your errours but that being false as long since hath bin proued what are you then but most odible Idolators Ta. I say that after the wordes of consecration are once spokē by the priest the eliments of bread and wine are presently transubstantiated into the blessed body of Christ really and substantially as he was borne of the virgin Mary and what thinke you now is not the sonne of God worthy to be worshipped Pa. No doubt of it Syr Tady but the sonne of God is worthie of all honor but doe you thinke him to be there indeed in these formes as you haue spoke of Ta. It hath beene so receiued amongst the Catholickes for an vndoubted article for these many hundred yeares Pa. I do aske you Syr Tady in the more ceremonious maner because I haue heard of a madde conceited knight that was an Essex man called by the name of Syr Iohn Raynsforde who in Queene Maries dayes being in the company of Edmond Bonner then Bishop of London who suspecting the knight to be aduerse to their religion would needs vrge him to make manifest to the world what hee did beleeue of the blessed sacrament of the Altar thereby to shew himselfe to be an obedient childe truly legitimate to the Catholicke Church The Knight would giue no other answer but that he beleeued as the Bishop himselfe beleeued and prayed the Bishop to speak truly what he himselfe did thinke in the matter To whom the Bishop answered that he shamed not to make free confession of his faith at all times and in all places And to satisfie your demande sayd the Bishop my beleife is that in the sacrifice of the Masse after the priest hath spoken the wordes of consecration there remayneth no more breade nor wine but the blessed body of Iesus Christ is there really conteined vnder the formes of bread and wine Very well said the knight it is an easie matter for a man to be leeue all this but what else what else what doe you thinke more of that blessed sacrament why quoth the Bishop what should I thinke more then I haue already sayd I thinke that after the words of consecration being spoken by the priest that there remaineth the blessed body of Iesus Christ flesh bloud and bone as he was borne of the virgin Mary The Knight began in a ceremonious manner to protest how his beleife was that after the priest had spoken the words of consecration Hoc est Corpus meum that vnder the formes of bread and wine Christ was there remaining in a suite of Russet Satine a velvit Cap and a feather on his heade a Spanishe Coape on his backe a payre of silke stockinges and a gylt Rapyer Dagger by his side How thinke you now Syr Tady by the knights opinion I promise you for my parte I beleeue the Bishop and him both alike Ta. Haue I all this while listened for such a conclusion but tel me Patricke what became of that knight was he not burned for his heresie Pa. It is more heresie for a man to beleeue that Christ is in the sacrament gentleman-like then for our massing priestes of Ireland to sute themselues in that generous manner euery day when they list Ta. Well Patricke I doe see you are so blinded with presumption and rebellion against the Catholicke Church that you will beleeue nothing but what is pleasing to your owne fantasie Pa. Nay what an absurditie is in you to thinke that Christ is eaten and deuoured by the wicked Christ entereth the soule but not the mouth of man Eate you this is my body Drinke you this is my bloud these speeches cannot be religious except they bee figuratiue for this grosse conceipt of a carnall eating was it that offended the Caperniates in the sixt of Iohn Yet that great fauourer of Popery of England Syr Thomas Moore that Bellarmine so much extolles for his wit and learning doth litterally presse those wordes of Christ against Iohn Fryth in this manner following The very circumstance of the place in the Gospell in which our Sauiour speaketh of that sacrament may well make open the difference of his speeches in this matter and of all the other and that as he spake all those but in an Allegory so spake hee this playnely meaning that he spake of his very body and his very bloud besides all Allegories For when our Lord sayde he was a very Vine and when he sayd he was a doore there was none that hearde him that any thing marueyled thereat And why for because they perceiued wel that he ment not that he was a materiall Vine or doore indeed but when he sayde that his flesh was very meate and his bloud very drinke and that they shoulde not be saued but if they did eate his flesh and drinke his bloud then were they all in such a wonder thereof that they could not abide And wherefore but because they perceiued well by his words and his manner of circumstances that Christ spake of his very flesh and his very bloud Nowe if maister Mores

be hanged Loe here the pietie that is in popery I haue many times heard speaking of hallowed bread of hallowed water of hallowed ashes of hallowed beades and of such other like hallowed trash but I neuer heard of a payre of gallowes that were hallowed before but these gallowes being thus sanctified and made holy afore hand about 2. of the clocke in the afternoone the traytors were deliuered to the Sheryues of Dublyne that were to see execution who placing them in a small carre and being assisted with a conuenient guarde as they passed along through the streetes of Dublyne diuerse citizens whereof some that were of good sort and fashion as the Bishop passed by fell downe vppon their knees in the durt and mire crauing his fatherly blessing benediction but the poore regardles wretch sitting still like a blocke woulde neither vouchsafe them worde nor so much as to turne his head aside to looke at them or once to lift vp his eyes to heauen or to make shew eyther of deuotion or of anie religion at all what was in him so that he might haue bin a Papist a Turke or a Iew for any thing that could haue bin discerned by him either by his wordes or by his showe And now being come to the place of execution it is truth he was followed with troopes of citizens both men and women and not of the inferior sort alone but of the better amongst the women of the best mens wiues within the cittie of Dublyne that kept such a scriking such a howling and such a hallowing as if Saint Patricke himselfe had bin going to the gallowes they could not haue made greater signes and showes of griefe and sorrowe but when they saw him turned from of the gallowes they raised the Who bub with such a maine cry as if the rebels had beene approched to robbe and rifell their cittie Now to answere to your question if I should say that this deploring of a traytor with such signes and showes of sorrowe did argue but little loue to his maiestie perhaps I might offende a great number of papistes but this I dare bouldly affirme that those fooleries that were vsed both before and after the execution argued but little wit and I thinke the recitall of it woulde make the papistes themselues to laugh at the folly of popery for marke what followed The executioner had no sooner taken of the Bishops heade but that the townes men of Dublyne began to flocke about him some taking vp the head with pitious aspect accompanied with sobs and sighes that of my conscience were breathed out from their verie soule Some kissed it with as religious an appetite as euer they kissed the Paxe Some cut away all the haire from the head which lousie commoditie they religiously reserued for a lousie relique Some others were practising to steale the heade away the which beeing espyed by the executioner hee gaue notice of the matter to the Sheryues of Dublyne Now when he began to quarter the body the women thronged about him as fast and happy was shee that coulde gett but her handkercheife dipped in the bloud of the traytor And the body being once disseuered into foure quarters they neither left finger nor toe but they cut them off and carried them away And to shew their Catholike zeale they tare his garments into tatters and some others that could get no holy monumentes that appertayned to his person with their kniues they shaued of chippes from the hallowed gallowes neyther would they so much as omitt the halter wherewith he was hanged but it was gathered vp to be reserued for holy vses I might speake heere of the Bishops breeches that the executioner sould for fiue shillings to a fellow that carrying them into the towne and tearing them into fitters made as good a market of them amongst the Catholikes of Dublin as if they hadd beene pardons newe come from Rome the poore hangman againe who but laying his cloake a little apart whilst hee was doing of his office it was stolne away from him and could not be heard on till within two or three dayes and then it was knowne to be cut into shreadds and so sold amongst the Papistes for holy reliques at a very deare rate thinking it had beene some vestment belonging to the Bishop I am sorry for my country-men that are so blind and blockish but see what followed the same night after the execution was done they flocke together afresh both men and women with holy water holy candle and congregating themselues at the holy gallowes in the place of execution they spent the fore part of the night in heathenish howling and performing many popish ceremonies and after midnight beeing then Candelmas day in the morning hauing there priests in a readines they had Masse and as some say Masse after Masse day light beeing come they departed to their owne houses all of them made as holy towardes God as they had shewed themselues dutifull to the King Ta. You haue made a long discourse to little purpose for say you what you can it will neuer be beleeued amongst the Catholickes in Ireland but that these men dyed holy Martyrs suffered for matters that did concerne the Church now for temporall Magistracie to haue foueraigntie in spirituall regiment is very vnnaturall say you what you can Pa Who should else mayntaine and vpholde godly lawes but the Prince who should banish and displace false religion together with the spreaders and dispersers of the same but the Prince who should punish malefactors against God as heretickes blasphemers Idolaters and such other like which is to be done in euery Christian common wealth but the Prince Ta. The Prince must learne at the priestes hand what is truth and what is errour before he set in hand to punish Pa. But if the priest doth preach errour in stead of truth may not the Prince both banish the doctrine and punish the teacher Ta. The Pope is the onely decider of those doubts it is hee that must iudge betweene truth and errour Pa. But if the Pope doth finde an errour and doth command the Prince to punish it may he not then doe it with authority Ta. If the Pope doth commaund there is no question but the Prince must obey Pa. Then Kings and Princes must doe more for the Pope then they may do for Christ but if Princes may not iudge of the truth what meant Dauid in his second Psalme to say Bee wise yee Kinges vnderstand yee Iudges and serue the Lord. Ta. Well let be that Princes may commaund yet I say still the Church must appoynt them what they must commaund Pa. But what doe you meane by the Church that you say must thus direct the Prince Ta. What should I meane but the Church that is the Pope his Cardinals Bishops Priestes and all other persons ecclesiasticall Pa. But what meant Saint Paul Actes 20. when hee called the Elders of Ephesus and willed them to feed the

opinion be true that the Capernaites lighted on the same manner of eating that Christ proposed vnto them then they deserued rather prayse then blame but they mistooke the wordes of Christ who went about to teach them the spirituall eating of his flesh and drinking of his bloud for so doth he himselfe expound his owne words afterwards to his Disciples teaching them how they should be both faithful partakers of his flesh and rightfull interpreters of his speeches And as many fathers as haue written of that place haue so vnderstood it the which our Iesuites knowing well enough and are driuen to confesse that those wordes were spiritually meant they are therefore inforced to flie from that place which Moore so cōfidently auoweth for that carnall eating and drinking and will in no wise admit those wordes in the 6. of Iohn to appertaine to any thing that was spoken by Christ at his last supper but doe only stick as close to their Hoc est corpus meum as the Cuckoe to her songe Pope Innocent vnderstanding that place of the sixt of Iohn as that great clarke spoken of before Moore had done caused yong children and infants to receiue the sacrament And of this carnall minde were many other Bishops a long time yet afterwards looking more spiritually vppon the matter they confessed their errour Saint Augustine giuing a certaine rule how wee should knowe the tropes figures allegories and phrases of the scriptures putteth this place of the 6. of Iohn out of all doubt and question his wordes be these When soeuer the Scripture or Christ seemeth to commaund any foule or wicked thing then must that text be taken figuratiuely that is as it is a phrase allegory and maner of speaking and must be vnderstood spiritually and not after the letter Except sayth Christ you eate the flesh of the sonne of man and drinke his blood yee shall haue no life in you hee seemeth sayth Saint Augustine to commaund a foule and wicked thing it is therefore a figure commaunding vs to be partakers of his passion and sweetely and profitably to print in our mind that his flesh was crucified and wounded for vs. Ta. But tell me Patricke bee these Saint Augustins owne wordes that you haue thus repeated Pa. You shall finde them in his third booke De doctrina Christiana Cap. 16. Ta. In despite of all you can alledge out of Augustine Ambrose Peter Paul or Christ himselfe I will beleeue nothing but what the holy Catholike church of Rome doth teach and ratifie Pa. Hold you still there Syr Tady for that is the iust rewarde of errour to bee euery day more peruerse more obstinate and more malitious toward the truth then other Ta. Do you denie that the body of Christ is not really conteyned in the blessed sacrament Pa. Flatly Ta. O dangerous impiety O impious blasphemie O most detestable and damnable heresie Pa. O now I see your chiding vaine is come vpon you sir Tady Ta. Is it possible for a Catholicke priest to be patient when euery schoole boy will be inueying itterating of matter against the faith of the Catholike church Pa. For your better satisfaction Syr Tady that the fleshe of Christ is spiritually eaten by faith and beleife what better proofe then the Patriarkes and Prophets of the old law who before the incarnation of Christ did eate his fleshe and drinke his bloode but in beleeuing the promise that Christ should come as wee doe now in beleeuing that he is come Ta. But they that doe beleeue that the body and bloode of Christ is in the sacrament indeede haue the plaine words of our Sauiour himselfe for the ground and foundation of their faith Pa. So haue they the very wordes of God which say that a broken potshard is Ierusalem Ta. The Iesuites you say in the 6. of Iohn do acknowledge and confesse a spirituall vnderstanding but in the deliuering of the sacrament wee be sure hee spake of a corporall and not of a spirituall eating of his body for when our Lord sayd Take eate this is my body did hee not meane they should take it with their hands and eate it with their mouthes and therefore eyther the one place doth but serue to expounde the other or else in both places is prescribed a reall and a corporall eating of the fleshe of Christ Pa. In those wordes Take eate spoke at the last supper no doubt hee ment the corporall eating of that creature which he then gaue them And when he added This is my body he recalled to their mindes the doctryne he had formerly taught them of eatyng of the flesh drinkinge of his bloud in which because they were instructed by the Capernaits errour their maysters declaration of himselfe That the wordes that he had spoke were spirit and life they neither started nor wondered at the matter because they knewe his speaches to be allegorycall Ta. But with what confidence is it avowed by our sauiour when he sayde Verily verily I say vnto you Except yee eate the flesh of the sonne of man and drinke his bloud you haue no life in you Pa. And with what vehemency in the very same place doth he affirme when he sayth verily verily I say vnto you hee that beleeueth in me hath euerlasting life thus you see he that beleueth onely eateth the flesh and drinketh the bloude of Christ for if eating and drinking in this place were referred to the mouth and teeth Iudas or any other infidell that were partakers at the Lordes Table could not perish or els it must follow that to beleeue in Christ were better then Christ himselfe which were a great absurdity for any man to thinke And Christ himselfe hath sayd he that eateth my flesh and drinketh my bloud dwelleth in me I in him now we knowe that sometimes the wicked do eate the sacrament and yet they neither dwell in Christ nor Christ in them Ta. Well Patryck I must not giue you ouer thus I haue yet some other nuttes for you to crack before I leaue you Pa. Le ts see what maner of nuttes they be you shall see I will make a shift to cracke them and if they be oughts worth I may happ to keepe the kernels to my selfe leaue the shelles to you Ta. To proue the reall presence in the sacrament I will avouch those writers that all the Protestants in Ireland are not able to contradict Pa. Out with them in Gods name letvs heare what they be Ta. I will first begin with that great and learned Clarke Durandus who did confidently affirme that Christ is present in the sacrament to the mouth and teeth of the receiuer but hee consenteth with Hugo That we must seeke no longer for a corporal presence then whilst wee are achamming of him in our mouth So long as he doth remaine In visu sapore so long we haue him but these two will in no wise permit that hee should be swallowed in the stomacke but this

is enough they both of them ac knowledge a reall presence to the mouth and teeth but nowe comes Bonauenture he affirmeth flatly that he is no lesse present in the stomacke then he is in the mouth marry whether he goes downe to the belly or noe he stands in doubt because of the diuersitie of opinions that are holden and yet he liketh not That the body of Christ should go into the belly of a mouse or be cast forth by the drought And heere hee sheweth a Catholicke reason why Because the eares of well disposed persons would abhorre that and heretickes and Infidels would iest at it and laugh vs to scorne that would defend it But Alexander de Hales in despight of heretickes and infidels both doth confidently affirme that if a dogg or a hogg should eate the wholl consecrated Host is no cause sayth he but the Lordes body should goe there withall into the belly of that dogg or hogg But now amongst the rest blessed Thomas Aquinas that holy Saint doth sharpely reproue those that thinke contrary Some haue sayd sayth he that as soone as the sacrament is taken of a mouse or a dog straight way the body blood of Christ doth cease to be there but this is a derogation to the truth of this Sacrament Pa. But tell mee truth Syr Tady haue you not wronged those Authors that you haue heere named haue you cited their words no other wise then they themselues haue set them downe Ta. Now God and our blessed Lady defend that I shoulde so iniurie them it were a shame for mee to belie them their owne workes are extant and to bee seene and there are a huge swarme of others a wholl sect of Thomistes that doe vphold all these positions enough to make all the protestants that be in Ireland to blush but that they are past shame But amongst the rest and for the better credit to the cause Antonius Arch-Bishop of Florence and Petrus de ṗludo ioyned both together affirming that the body of Christ may not onely bee eaten of a mouse but also it may be vomited vp by the mouth and purged downe to the draught these bee their owne wordes Therefore the body and bloud of Christ remayne in the belly or stomacke or vomit or in whatsoeuer course of nature so long as the shews of bread and wine remaine if they be vomitted or purged before they be altered as sometimes with those that are troubled with the flux euen there is the body of Christ Pa. O peace Syr Tady no more for the shame of your selfe of all the papistes in the worlde bee these the nuttes you haue to cracke O loathsome stuffe vnfitte to be spoken of mine cares doe glow to heare these grosse and barbarous repetitions is this the reall presence that you so much striue for are these the learned authorities which you so highly extoll call you these Saintes that doe teach such filthy and loathsome diuinitie no maruel though you account traytors for martyrs when your Pope hath such cunning to make Saints of blasphemers Ta. I tell thee true that some of these that I haue named are Saints Canonized by the Church of Rome and for the diuinitie they haue taught and spread if it were not sound religious and holy doe you thinke it could passe as it doth ratified confirmed and approued by the mother Church so many yeares vncorrected or vncontrould But I cannot blame ye though you blush you may well bee ashamed to see our holy Masse that so many heretickes doe seeke to impugne howe it is established vpholden and fortified by no meane nor simple authoritie I warrant yee Pa. I see indeed that those that haue no regard of their cōsciēces before God haue lesse care of their credites before men but it is time to giue ouer reasoning with papistes when they seeke out such nuttes as these be for protestants to cracke and some other busines calling me away I will therefore leaue you Ta. Well Patricke then for a parting blowe let me aduise thee yet a little for thine owne good be not obstinate but be ruld by me it shall be for thy benefit Pa. What is it sir Tady to forsake my religion to turn papist Ta. A papist as you cal it but in truth a true christian a●●●cōciled childe to the Catholicke Church thou shalt thereby shewe thy selfe to be a naturall Hibernian where now thou remainest a steine to thy country what an Irishman a protestant it is Rara auis in terris I will tell thee Patricke and I will tell thee truely thou wert better to be reputed a traitor to the King then to be accounted as thou art thus open mouthed against the Pope the one perhaps may find some fewe enemies to prosecute him but the other shall find euery man readie to persecute him Pa. Syr Tady when I meane to turne traytor to the King I will followe your counsayle I will turne papist Ta. And vntill thou dost show thy selfe to be a professed papist indeede thou shalt find little friendshippe in Ireland And so farewell FINIS