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A39319 Some opinions of Mr. Hobbs considered in a second dialogue between Philautus and Timothy by the same author. Eachard, John, 1636?-1697. 1673 (1673) Wing E64; ESTC R30964 113,620 344

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Why Sir you know ●…hat a little slice or so of a trope or figure gives a fine relish and hogoo 'T is as good Sir as an anchovy or shalot Phi. A relish and a hogoo to what I prethee to a Treatise of Philosophy or Dominion or to directions for travelling by which Gentlemen may come to understand the Generatio●… of a Common-wealth and afterwards become helpful in Government I 'le give leave to a Jugler or Barber to put into their common tittle tattle their relishes and hogoos their anchovie●… and shalots but when Divine●… shall tell you Lev. p. 17. of in-powred vertue and in-blown vertue as if vertue were tunn'd into a mans mind just as new drink is into the Vessel and of this and that man being extraordinary assisted and inspired as if it were not more credit for a man to speak wisely from the principles of nature and his own meditation than to be thought to speak like a Bagpipe by inspiration I say when such things as these creep into serious reckonings and Philosophical Bills then then 's the mischief ●… perceive Tim that thou never didst read the 5th Chapter of my Leviathan for if thou hadst thou wouldst have there found that amongst the many causes of the absurd opinion●… that have been in Philosophy there has not been any greater than the use of Metaphors Tropes and other Rhetorical figures instead of words proper For as I there go on though it be lawful to say for example in common speech the way goeth or leadeth hither or thither the Proverb says this or that whereas ways cannot go nor Proverbs speak yet in reckoning and seeking of truth such speeches are not to be admitted Tim. What neither back-stroak nor fore-stroak I know Philautus that you have spent much time in this sort of reckonings and therefore you must needs be a notable accomptant in Philosophy but when I find as ●… do in your Treatise call'd Computation that a Proposition is the first step i●… the progress of Philosophy that a Syllogism is a compleat pace trot or gallop in Philosophy being made by the addition of steps and that method is the high-way that leads to Philosophy where note though 't is not proper in reckoning to say that the way either goes or leads yet I perceive that Propositions and Syllogisms may both walk and gallop provided it be in the way to Philosophy again Sir when I read Levi. p. 108. that a Common-wealth is an artificial man 't is as like him as ever it can look 't has got just de Father's nose and de powting lip or an aggregate of Puginellos made for the attaining of peace and that the civil laws are only artificial Chains so the Dutch broke the civil Law that went cross the River at Chatham which men by mutual Covenants have fastned at one end to the lips of t●…e man or Assembly to whom they have given the Soveraign power and at the other end to their own ears I 'd scarce have the place to be so fastned Phi. What if I do say this is this like the teeth of time and your sieves and scummers Tim. Moreover Sir when you instruct us Lev. p. 115. in all the several sorts of Systemes of people this Systeme I look upon to be a kind of Bastard anchovy or wild shalot that belong to a Common-wealth and how that these systemes resemble the similar parts of a body natural and if they be lawful systemes they are as the muscles of the body but if unl●…wful they are Wens Biles and Apostems engendred by the unnatural conflux of evil humours and how that a conflux of people to Market or a Bull-baiting though it be a lawful systeme yet 't is an irregular systeme by reason 't is not order'd by law which Dog shall play first or which man shall sell the first rowl of Ginger bread and that the Corporation of Beggars Thieves c. though they may be regular systemes having a representative yet they are not to be looked upon as lawful Systemes being not as yet allow'd of by publick authority the brick shall be out of hand burnt for the Halls against the Parliament meet next Phi. What of all this Tim. Nay I pray Sir don't interrupt me let me make an end of my sentence and that as the several systemes of people are the similar parts of a Common-wealth so the publick Ministers are the organical part of a Common-wealth resembling the Nerve●… and tendons that move the several limb●… of a body natural and that publick persons appointed by the Soveraign this is all Mathematick●… to instruct or judge the people are such memb●… of a Common-wealth as may be fi●…ly compared to the Organs of voice in th●… body natural and that the service of Sheriffs Justices of the peace c. is answerable to the hands in the body natural And that if a man be sent into another Country secretly to explore th●… counsels and strength i●… he com●… only to see he may do well enough but if he comes to explore and b●… catch'd he may chance ●…o be hang'd he is to be look'd upon as a Minister o●… the Common wealth though but private and may be compar'd to an ey●… in the body natural and very well for a blind man makes a very bad Scout but those publick Ministers that are appointed to receive the Petitions or other informations of the peo ple are as it were the publick ear of the Common-wealth I profess this artificial man thrives bravely I hope the cheeks and the chin of the Common-wealth will come on by and by besides Sir when I look Phi. What han't you done your sentence yet Tim. Alas Sir I have but just begun my hand is but just in I say when I look into the 24th Chapter above-cited of the nutrition and procreation of a Common-wealth and observe how that the commodities of sea and land are the nourishment of the Common-wealth and t●…at propriety or the constitution of meum a●…d tuum is the distribution of the materials of this nourishment and that buying selling c. is the concoction of the commodities of a Common wealth which concoction is as it were the sanguification of the Common-wealth being perform'd by money which is the very blood of a Common-wealth for as natural blood is made of the fruits of the earth and circulating nourishes by the way every member of the body natural so money is made out of the fruits of mens labours and running up to Town and then down again into the Country nourishes those politick members that live upon the road Phi. Surely now you have done Tim. And when I observe further how that the Collectors Receivers and Treasurers are the Conduits and Vessels by which this blood of money is convey'd to publick use and that the publick Treasury is as the heart of the Common-wealth so that as the veins receiving the blood from the several parts of the body carry it to
the heart where being made vital the heart by the arteries sends it out again to enliven and enable for motion all the members of the same so the Collectors c. receiving the venose money out of the several parts of the Country carry it to the heart politick where being vitaliz'd it does strange things when it comes again into the Country and that if a Common-wealth ben't strictly dieted but highly fed how that it spawns and brings forth little Common-wealths or Children of a Common-wealth thus the artificial man of Spain laid about him and begot the Child Hispaniola and if Hispaniola should afterwards grow up to have a little one then would Spain be a Grandfather Phi. Certainly this sentence will have an end at some time or other Tim. Pray Sir don't speak to me for I am in great haste and have a great way still to go once again I say when I look also into the 29th Chapter of your Leviathan and there read of the several infirmities and diseases that this artificial man the Common-wealth is subject to for we must know that an artificial man as well as other men is very much out of sorts sometimes and how that some proceed from defectuous procreation as when an old pockie gouty crasie Common-wealth begets another by reason of the mala stamina or vicious Conception the Child Common-wealth either comes to an untimely death or by purging out the ill quality breaks out into Biles and Scabs some from seditious doctrines such as killing a Tyrant is lawful which venom say you I will not doubt to compare to the biting of a mad dog no man in the World would ever have doubted of it which is a Disease Physitians call Hydrophobia or fear of water for as he that is so bitten has a continual torment of thirst and yet abhorreth water and is in such an estate as if the poyson endeavour'd to convert him into a dog in a still night you may hear one so converted bark almost srom Dover to Calis so when a Monarchy is once bitten to the quick by those democratical Writers and the teeth of time that continually snarl at the estate it wanteth nothing more than a strong Monarch which nevertheless out of a certain Tyrannophobia or fear of being strongly governed when they have him they abhor such likewise is the opinion of those that hold there may be two Authorities in the same Common-wealth Temporal and Spiritual which disease say you not unfitly may be compar'd it sits to a Cows thumb to the Epilepsie or falling sickness which the Jews took to be one kind of possession by spirits in the body natural For as in this Disease there is an unnatural Spirit ●…r wind in the head that obstructeth the roots of the nerves and moving them violently taketh away the motion which naturally they should have from the power of the Soul in the brain and thereby causeth violent and irregular motions which men call Convulsions in the parts insomuch that he that is seised therewith 〈◊〉 down sometimes into the water a●…d sometimes into the fire as a man depriv'd of ●…is senses a very good lecture upon the Epilepsie so also in the body Politick when the spiritual and windy power moveth the members of a Commonwealth by the terrour of punishments and hope of rewards which are the nerves of it otherwise than by the civil power which is the soul of the Common-wealth they ought to be moved this still is pure Mathematicks and by strange and hard words suffocates their understanding it must needs thereby distract the people and either overwhelm the Commonwealth with oppression or cast it into the fire of a civil war Phi. What no end yet Tim. Such again say you is the opinion of those that are for mixt government making the power of levying money which is the nutritive faculty of a Common-wealth that is supposing blood nourishes for if it don't money is clearly cut out run one way the power of conduct and command which is the motive faculty that 's well enough because conduct and command is perform'd by the motion of legs and lips run another way and the power of making laws which is the rational faculty that 's well enough also because of law and reason a third way which irregularity of a Common-wealth to what Disease say you in the natural body of man I may exactly compare it I know not this is the first time that Philautus has been at a loss but so hoo I have seen a man that had another man growing out of his side with an head arms breast and stomach of his own if say you he had had another growing o●…t of his other side the comparison might then have been exact if I meet with the man I 'll speak to him to hire another man to grow out of t'other side and if that be once done goodnight Parliament for this October and for ever after Phi. Nor yet Tim. When I also read that want of money especially in the approach of War may very aptly be compar'd to an Ague now for as long a Lecture upon an Ague as we had before upon the Falling-Sickness wherein the fleshy parts being congealed or by venomous matter obstructed the veins which by their natural course empty themselves into the heart are not as they ought to be supplyed from the arteries whereby there succeedeth first a cold contraction and trembling of the limbs a very pretty Hypothesis for an Ague and afterwards a hot and strong endeavour of the heart to force a passage for the blood and before it can do that contenteth it self with the small refreshments of such thi●…gs as cool for a time a Julap from a Banker till if nature be strong enough it break at last the contumacy of the parts obstructed 't is a little obscure but the Devil they say is in an Ague and dissipate●… the venom into sweat through ●…he sieve or scummer of the skin 〈◊〉 if nature be too weak the patient dyeth Ting tong ting tong Phi. Then never Tim. And that Monopolies and ab●…ses of Publicans are the Pleurisie of the Common-wealth For as the blood say you in a Pleurisie getting into the membrane of the breast breedet●… there an inflammation accompanied with a Feaver and painful stitches so say I and you together money t●… blood of the body politick getting in too much abundance into the membranaceous Purses and Coffers of Publicans and Farmers of publick revenue by inflammation doth distend the Purse-strings and make the sides of the Coffers to sob and groan and that the popularity of a potent subject is like Witch-craft though with Philautus there be no such thing yet for a need that will serve for a Disease too and that too great a number of corporations which are as it were many lesser Common-wealths in the bowells of a greater that now is a notion are like worms in the entrails of a natural man but that disputers