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do_v nothing_o avail_v to_o prove_v the_o subjection_n of_o the_o temporal_a power_n to_o the_o spiritual_a both_o unite_a in_o one_o total_a body_n whereof_o christ_n only_o and_o no_o earthly_a creature_n be_v the_o head_n for_o the_o reason_n why_o the_o body_n in_o man_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o soul_n be_v because_o the_o body_n and_o soul_n do_v make_v one_o essential_a compound_n as_o the_o philosopher_n do_v call_v it_o whereof_o the_o body_n be_v the_o matter_n and_o the_o soul_n be_v the_o form_n and_o consequent_o the_o body_n must_v of_o necessity_n and_o by_o a_o natural_a sequel_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o soul_n as_o every_o matter_n be_v per_fw-la se_fw-la and_o of_o it_o own_o nature_n subject_a to_o the_o form_n with_o which_o it_o make_v one_o essential_a compound_n but_o the_o temporal_a &_o spiritual_a power_n or_o earthly_a kingdom_n and_o the_o spiritual_a kingdom_n of_o christ_n as_o they_o make_v one_o total_a body_n whereof_o christ_n only_o be_v the_o head_n do_v not_o make_v one_o essential_a compound_n whereof_o one_o be_v as_o the_o matter_n and_o the_o other_o as_o the_o form_n but_o they_o do_v make_v one_o integrall_a compound_n as_o the_o philosopher_n do_v call_v it_o in_o that_o manner_n as_o the_o body_n of_o man_n be_v compound_v of_o eye_n ear_n tongue_n hands_z foot_n which_o be_v call_v by_o the_o philosopher_n integrall_n and_o not_o essential_a part_n of_o man_n body_n but_o in_o a_o integrall_a compound_n it_o be_v not_o necessary_a as_o i_o show_v before_o 10._o before_o cap._n 6._o nu_fw-la 10._o that_o one_o part_n be_v subject_a to_o another_o although_o all_o must_v be_v subject_a to_o the_o head_n as_o it_o be_v apparent_a in_o the_o eye_n ear_n tongue_n hands_z and_o foot_n of_o man_n body_n whereof_o none_o be_v subject_a one_o to_o the_o other_o although_o all_o be_v subject_a to_o the_o head_n see_v therefore_o that_o the_o temporal_a and_o spiritual_a power_n be_v only_o integrall_a part_n of_o the_o total_a 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convince_v the_o flat_a contrary_n for_o as_o i_o will_v easy_o grant_v that_o the_o soul_n have_v power_n to_o command_v or_o forbid_v the_o body_n to_o exercise_v any_o corporal_a action_n when_o it_o be_v necessary_a or_o hurtful_a to_o the_o end_n not_o only_o of_o the_o soul_n but_o also_o of_o the_o body_n which_o last_o clause_n card._n bellarmine_n cunning_o omit_v for_o that_o it_o favour_v as_o you_o shall_v see_v the_o pope_n direct_a power_n to_o command_v temporall_n as_o to_o see_v to_o hear_v to_o speak_v and_o such_o like_a action_n which_o be_v subject_a to_o the_o command_n of_o man_n will_n i_o say_v which_o be_v subject_a to_o the_o command_n of_o man_n will_n for_o that_o there_o be_v many_o corporal_a action_n which_o be_v not_o in_o the_o power_n of_o man_n will_n to_o command_v as_o be_v all_o the_o action_n of_o the_o nutritive_a vegetative_a and_o generative_a power_n but_o if_o the_o body_n by_o any_o let_v or_o hindrance_n can_v not_o or_o if_o it_o be_v possible_a will_v not_o do_v that_o corporal_a action_n which_o the_o soul_n will_v willing_o have_v the_o body_n to_o do_v as_o to_o see_v to_o hear_v to_o speak_v or_o to_o go_v the_o soul_n have_v no_o power_n of_o herself_o either_o direct_o or_o indirect_o that_o be_v either_o for_o the_o good_a of_o the_o body_n or_o for_o the_o good_a of_o the_o soul_n to_o do_v that_o corporal_a action_n as_o to_o see_v hear_v speak_v or_o go_v without_o the_o concurrence_n of_o the_o body_n itself_o 8._o neither_o have_v the_o soul_n any_o power_n to_o inflict_v any_o corporal_a punishment_n by_o way_n of_o coercion_n or_o constraint_n that_o be_v to_o punish_v actual_o with_o corporal_a punishment_n any_o member_n of_o the_o body_n without_o the_o concurrence_n of_o some_o one_o or_o other_o member_n thereof_o but_o only_o by_o the_o way_n of_o command_n that_o be_v to_o command_v some_o one_o member_n to_o punish_v itself_o or_o a_o other_o member_n as_o the_o hand_n foot_n or_o head_n to_o put_v themselves_o into_o fire_n or_o water_n or_o the_o hand_n to_o whip_v the_o shoulder_n to_o close_v thy_o eyelid_n to_o stop_v the_o ear_n not_o to_o put_v meat_n into_o the_o mouth_n and_o such_o like_a which_o if_o the_o bodily_a member_n by_o any_o let_v or_o hindrance_n can_v not_o or_o if_o it_o be_v possible_a will_v not_o do_v the_o soul_n have_v do_v all_o that_o be_v in_o her_o power_n to_o do_v for_o that_o she_o can_v of_o herself_o do_v any_o corporal_a action_n without_o the_o concurrence_n of_o some_o corporal_a member_n but_o the_o most_o that_o she_o can_v do_v concern_v any_o corporal_a action_n or_o punishment_n be_v to_o command_v the_o body_n to_o concur_v with_o she_o to_o the_o do_v of_o that_o corporal_a action_n or_o punishment_n i_o say_v if_o it_o be_v possible_a for_o that_o there_o be_v such_o a_o natural_a necessary_a and_o intrinsical_v subjection_n of_o the_o body_n to_o the_o soul_n that_o the_o body_n can_v resist_v the_o effectual_a command_n of_o the_o soul_n in_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v subject_a to_o her_o command_n and_o therefore_o i_o say_v that_o if_o it_o be_v possible_a that_o the_o body_n can_v resist_v the_o command_n of_o the_o soul_n yet_o the_o soul_n of_o herself_o have_v not_o power_n to_o exercise_v any_o corporal_a action_n without_o the_o concurrence_n of_o a_o corporal_a organ_n which_o manner_n of_o subjection_n be_v not_o between_o the_o temporal_a and_o spiritual_a power_n for_o that_o this_o subjection_n be_v in_o diverse_a person_n have_v free_a will_n be_v free_a and_o voluntary_a and_o therefore_o the_o command_n may_v be_v resist_v but_o the_o former_a be_v of_o the_o body_n to_o the_o soul_n make_v one_o only_a person_n who_o have_v free_a will_n be_v necessary_a and_o natural_a and_o therefore_o can_v not_o be_v resist_v 9_o in_o the_o like_a manner_n i_o will_v easy_o grant_v that_o the_o temporal_a power_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a or_o rather_o that_o temporal_a prince_n who_o have_v temporal_a power_n but_o not_o as_o they_o have_v temporal_a power_n be_v subject_a to_o spiritual_a pastor_n who_o have_v spiritual_a power_n in_o such_o sort_n that_o the_o spiritual_a pastor_n have_v power_n to_o command_v the_o temporal_a prince_n to_o do_v those_o temporal_a action_n belong_v to_o his_o temporal_a power_n which_o be_v necessary_a to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o spiritual_a power_n and_o to_o forbid_v he_o those_o action_n belong_v to_o his_o temporal_a power_n which_o be_v repugnant_a to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o spiritual_a power_n which_o be_v eternal_a salvation_n which_o if_o he_o refuse_v to_o do_v and_o will_v not_o obey_v the_o command_n of_o the_o spiritual_a pastor_n the_o spiritual_a pastor_n can_v not_o by_o virtue_n only_o of_o his_o spiritual_a power_n exercise_v any_o temporal_a or_o civil_a action_n belong_v to_o the_o temporal_a or_o civil_a power_n without_o the_o consent_n or_o concurrence_n of_o the_o temporal_a power_n neither_o can_v the_o spiritual_a pastor_n inflict_v any_o temporal_a or_o civil_a punishment_n by_o way_n of_o coercion_n constraint_n or_o compulsion_n that_o be_v punish_v actual_o with_o any_o temporal_a or_o civil_a punishment_n without_o the_o consent_n &_o concurrence_n of_o the_o temporal_a or_o civil_a power_n but_o only_o by_o the_o way_n of_o command_n that_o be_v he_o have_v power_n to_o command_v the_o temporal_a prince_n who_o only_o have_v supreme_a temporal_a authority_n to_o punish_v himself_o or_o his_o subject_n with_o temporal_a or_o civil_a punishment_n if_o they_o use_v their_o temporal_n to_o the_o hurt_n and_o prejudice_n of_o the_o spiritual_a power_n or_o the_o end_n thereof_o although_o i_o do_v willing_o grant_v that_o the_o spiritual_a pastor_n have_v power_n to_o punish_v the_o temporal_a prince_n or_o his_o subject_n with_o spiritual_a
punishment_n not_o only_o by_o the_o way_n of_o command_n but_o also_o of_o coercion_n and_o constraint_n that_o be_v to_o punish_v they_o actual_o whether_o they_o will_v or_o no_o with_o spiritual_a punishment_n when_o they_o shall_v refuse_v to_o obey_v his_o just_a command_n for_o that_o this_o manner_n of_o punish_v by_o way_n of_o coercion_n do_v not_o exceed_v the_o limit_n of_o the_o spiritual_a coercive_v power_n 10._o now_o if_o my_o adversary_n demand_n or_o i_o why_o the_o spiritual_a power_n may_v of_o herself_o command_v temporal_a action_n and_o yet_o neither_o direct_o nor_o indirect_o that_o be_v neither_o for_o temporal_a nor_o spiritual_a good_a exercise_v temporal_a action_n may_v command_v civil_a punishment_n when_o they_o be_v necessary_a to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o spiritual_a power_n and_o yet_o neither_o direct_o nor_o indirect_o punish_v actual_o with_o civil_a punishment_n without_o the_o concurrence_n of_o the_o spiritual_a power_n i_o answer_v they_o by_o their_o own_o similitude_n which_o please_v they_o so_o much_o for_o the_o same_o reason_n that_o the_o soul_n have_v power_n of_o herself_o to_o command_v bodily_a action_n and_o yet_o neither_o direct_o nor_o indirect_o that_o be_v neither_o for_o the_o good_a of_o the_o body_n nor_o of_o the_o soul_n to_o do_v of_o herself_o alone_o any_o bodily_a action_n have_v power_n to_o command_v bodily_a punishment_n and_o yet_o of_o herself_o have_v not_o power_n to_o inflict_v any_o bodily_a punishment_n without_o the_o concurrence_n of_o the_o body_n itself_o and_o thus_o you_o see_v that_o this_o similitude_n of_o which_o card._n bellarmine_n and_o his_o follower_n do_v make_v so_o great_a account_n be_v no_o fit_a similitude_n to_o prove_v their_o doctrine_n but_o rather_o to_o confirm_v we_o and_o that_o from_o this_o similitude_n no_o probable_a argument_n can_v be_v draw_v to_o prove_v that_o the_o spiritual_a pastor_n have_v power_n either_o direct_o or_o indirect_o to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_n to_o depose_v temporal_a prince_n or_o to_o punish_v temporal_o by_o way_n of_o coercion_n or_o constraint_n 11._o but_o four_o although_o the_o temporal_a and_o spiritual_a power_n be_v apt_o compare_v by_o card._n bellarmine_n to_o the_o body_n and_o soul_n yet_o it_o will_v prove_v two_o thing_n more_o than_o he_o as_o i_o suppose_v will_v willing_o admit_v the_o first_o be_v that_o the_o temporal_a power_n can_v exercise_v no_o temporal_a action_n without_o the_o concurrence_n and_o assistance_n of_o the_o spiritual_a power_n as_o the_o body_n can_v do_v no_o corporal_a action_n unless_o the_o soul_n also_o as_o a_o efficient_a cause_n thereof_o do_v concur_v thereunto_o for_o this_o be_v a_o clear_a and_o approve_a principle_n in_o philosophy_n that_o the_o soul_n be_v cause_n of_o all_o motion_n in_o the_o body_n according_a to_o that_o common_a definition_n or_o description_n of_o the_o soul_n assign_v by_o aristotle_n 24._o aristotle_n 2._o de_fw-fr anima_fw-la tex_fw-la 24._o animaid_n est_fw-fr quo_fw-la vinimus_fw-la &_o sentimus_fw-la &_o movemur_fw-la &_o intelligimus_fw-la primò_fw-la the_o soul_n be_v that_o whereby_o we_o first_o or_o principal_o live_v and_o have_v sense_n and_o be_v move_v and_o do_v understand_v 12._o the_o second_o be_v that_o the_o spiritual_a power_n may_v command_v or_o forbid_v the_o civil_a power_n to_o exercise_v civil_a action_n not_o only_a when_o they_o be_v necessary_a or_o hurtful_a to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o spiritual_a power_n which_o be_v the_o health_n of_o the_o soul_n but_o also_o when_o they_o be_v necessary_a or_o hurtful_a to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o temporal_a power_n which_o be_v temporal_a peace_n as_o the_o soul_n have_v power_n to_o command_v or_o forbid_v the_o body_n to_o exercise_v bodily_a action_n as_o to_o see_v hear_v speak_v etc._n etc._n not_o only_a when_o they_o be_v necessary_a or_o hurtful_a to_o the_o end_n and_o good_a of_o the_o soul_n which_o be_v spiritual_a life_n and_o health_n but_o also_o when_o they_o be_v necessary_a or_o hurtful_a to_o the_o good_a of_o the_o body_n which_o be_v bodily_a health_n and_o life_n and_o therefore_o card._n bellarmine_n declare_v this_o similitude_n of_o the_o spirit_n and_o flesh_n do_v only_o affirm_v that_o the_o spirit_n do_v command_v the_o flesh_n when_o her_o action_n be_v hurtful_a to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o spirit_n but_o cunning_o omit_v that_o the_o spirit_n also_o dorh_fw-mi command_v the_o flesh_n when_o her_o action_n be_v necessary_a or_o hurtful_a to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o flesh_n lest_o the_o reader_n shall_v present_o perceive_v thereby_o the_o disparity_n of_o this_o similitude_n or_o else_o from_o thence_o infer_v that_o in_o the_o same_o manner_n the_o spiritual_a power_n may_v command_v the_o temporal_a power_n not_o only_o in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a but_o also_o in_o order_n to_o temporal_a good_a which_o be_v the_o canonist_n doctrine_n and_o which_o card._n bellarmine_n do_v at_o large_a impugn_v 13._o last_o in_o what_o manner_n s._n gregory_n nazianzene_n do_v compare_v the_o temporal_a and_o spiritual_a power_n or_o rather_o temporal_a and_o spiritual_a prince_n to_o the_o body_n and_o soul_n i_o have_v sufficient_o declare_v before_o 3._o before_o cap._n 3._o to_o wit_n not_o in_o the_o manner_n of_o their_o union_n or_o subjection_n but_o only_o in_o nobility_n and_o in_o that_o temporal_a prince_n be_v in_o as_o excellent_a and_o worthy_a manner_n subject_a to_o temporal_a prince_n as_o spiritual_a thing_n be_v more_o excellent_a and_o worthy_a then_o temporal_a so_o that_o neither_o from_o the_o authority_n of_o s._n gregory_n nazianzene_n nor_o from_o the_o similitude_n itself_o of_o the_o body_n and_o soul_n as_o it_o be_v declare_v and_o urge_v by_o card_n bellarmine_n can_v it_o with_o any_o probability_n be_v gather_v that_o the_o spiritual_a power_n can_v of_o herself_o exercise_v any_o temporal_a action_n belong_v to_o the_o civil_a power_n 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before_o cap._n 2.3_o the_o temporal_a and_o spiritual_a power_n or_o the_o temporal_a and_o spiritual_a commonwealth_n be_v not_o part_n compound_v one_o total_a body_n or_o commonwealth_n as_o the_o body_n and_o soul_n do_v compound_v a_o perfect_a man_n chap_n 9_o wherein_o the_o five_o argument_n to_o prove_v the_o subjection_n of_o the_o temporal_a power_n to_o the_o spiritual_a take_v from_o the_o authority_n of_o s._n bernard_n and_o pope_n boniface_n the_o eight_o be_v examine_v 1._o the_o five_o argument_n which_o car._n bellarmine_n bring_v 7._o bring_v lib._n 5._o de_fw-la râ—m_fw-la pont._n c._n 7._o to_o prove_v the_o subjection_n of_o the_o temporal_a power_n among_o christian_n to_o the_o spiritual_a be_v take_v from_o the_o authority_n of_o s._n bernard_n lib._n 4._o the_o considerate_a and_o pope_n boniface_n the_o eight_o in_o the_o extravagant_a unam_fw-la sanctam_fw-la who_o do_v imitate_v say_v card._n bellarmine_n s._n bernard_n word_n the_o word_n of_o s._n 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5._o p._n 203._o that_o which_o my_o adversary_n widdrington_n say_v that_o the_o mystical_a body_n church_n or_o christian_a commonwealth_n be_v compound_v of_o spiritual_a authority_n alone_o be_v true_a in_o this_o sense_n that_o to_o compound_v the_o christian_a commonwealth_n there_o be_v not_o necessary_a a_o power_n which_o be_v formal_o civil_a but_o yet_o there_o be_v necessary_a a_o power_n which_o be_v so_o formal_o spiritual_a that_o it_o be_v also_o virtual_o civil_a etc._n etc._n for_o how_o can_v the_o church_n of_o christ_n be_v compound_v of_o civil_a and_o spiritual_a power_n which_o be_v formal_o two_o distinct_a power_n and_o yet_o the_o church_n not_o have_v power_n which_o be_v formal_o civil_a but_o only_o spiritual_a nevertheless_o i_o do_v not_o intend_v to_o deny_v that_o the_o spiritual_a or_o ecclesiastical_a power_n among_o christian_n may_v in_o this_o sense_n be_v call_v virtual_o civil_a or_o temporal_a because_o it_o may_v for_o the_o spiritual_a good_a 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but_o by_o his_o preach_v to_o plant_v virtue_n and_o destroy_v vice_n as_o s._n hierome_n expound_v and_o by_o foretell_v the_o destruction_n of_o kingdom_n and_o nation_n if_o they_o do_v not_o repent_v and_o their_o increase_n and_o salvation_n if_o they_o will_v be_v convert_v neither_o be_v the_o pope_n s._n jeremies_n successor_n in_o the_o spirit_n of_o pprophecy_n neither_o do_v we_o read_v that_o jeremie_n destroy_v any_o kingdom_n although_o he_o fulfil_v all_o that_o which_o he_o be_v appoint_v to_o do_v by_o alm_n god_n 41._o it_o be_v the_o same_o say_v andrea_n capella_n upon_o this_o place_n to_o appoint_v he_o over_o the_o gentile_n and_o to_o give_v he_o a_o prophet_n in_o the_o gentile_n as_o he_o say_v before_o i_o give_v thou_o power_n and_o authority_n say_v god_n to_o declare_v and_o foretell_v in_o my_o name_n as_o my_o prophet_n the_o ruin_n and_o wasting_n of_o the_o gentile_n and_o of_o kingdom_n that_o thou_o threaten_v my_o enemy_n who_o in_o their_o country_n i_o have_v plant_v place_v confirm_v erect_v that_o i_o will_v abolish_v they_o with_o captivity_n unless_o they_o will_v repent_v and_o contrariwise_o that_o i_o will_v build_v they_o and_o plant_v they_o again_o that_o be_v restore_v to_o their_o ancient_a state_n they_o who_o i_o shall_v destroy_v and_o abollish_v if_o they_o will_v acknowledge_v their_o sin_n and_o in_o these_o word_n all_o the_o charge_n of_o jeremie_n be_v comprehend_v and_o the_o matter_n of_o this_o whole_a book_n be_v declare_v for_o it_o be_v a_o prophecy_n of_o the_o destruction_n of_o the_o city_n and_o temple_n and_o of_o the_o captivity_n of_o the_o people_n and_o of_o their_o return_n from_o captivity_n and_o of_o the_o re-edify_n of_o the_o temple_n and_o city_n and_o of_o the_o overthrow_n of_o other_o nation_n and_o kingdom_n thus_o capella_n and_o the_o same_o exposition_n of_o these_o word_n have_v the_o gloss_n upon_o this_o place_n beside_o pope_n boniface_n in_o this_o extravagant_a allege_v for_o scripture_n that_o which_o be_v no_o scripture_n to_o wit_n for_o the_o truth_n testify_v the_o spiritual_a power_n have_v to_o institute_v or_o instruct_v the_o earthly_a power_n and_o to_o judge_v it_o if_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v good_a which_o word_n be_v not_o to_o be_v find_v in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n 42._o last_o there_o be_v no_o more_o account_n to_o be_v make_v of_o the_o authority_n of_o pope_n boniface_n the_o eight_o for_o this_o his_o doctrine_n in_o this_o point_n touch_v the_o pope_n temporal_a authority_n over_o temporal_a prince_n if_o we_o take_v he_o as_o a_o private_a doctor_n deliver_v his_o opinion_n then_o of_o a_o other_o doctor_n as_o well_o learned_a as_o he_o be_v who_o hold_v with_o the_o canonist_n that_o the_o pope_n be_v direct_a lord_n &_o king_n of_o the_o world_n not_o only_o spiritual_a but_o also_o temporal_a for_o that_o pope_n boniface_n be_v of_o this_o opinion_n that_o the_o pope_n have_v direct_a power_n not_o only_o in_o spirituall_n but_o also_o in_o temporall_n whereupon_o he_o write_v to_o philip_n the_o fair_a king_n of_o france_n that_o he_o be_v subject_a to_o he_o in_o spiritual_n and_o temporall_n and_o that_o all_o those_o who_o shall_v hold_v the_o contrary_n he_o repute_v for_o heretic_n and_o that_o the_o kingdom_n of_o france_n by_o reason_n of_o the_o king_n disobedience_n be_v fall_v to_o the_o church_n for_o which_o word_n pope_n boniface_n be_v tax_v by_o joannes_n tilius_fw-la 1302._o tilius_fw-la in_o chron._n ad_fw-la annum_fw-la 1302._o bishop_n of_o meldune_n by_o robertus_fw-la guaguinus_n pulch._n guaguinus_n lib._n 7._o in_o philippo_n pulch._n by_o platina_n octavi_fw-la platina_n in_o vita_fw-la bonifaciâ—_n octavi_fw-la and_o other_o of_o great_a pride_n impudency_n and_o arrogancy_n whereupon_o paulus_n aemilius_n who_o do_v otherwise_o great_o favour_v pope_n boniface_n write_v thus_o pulchro_n thus_o in_o philippo_n pulchro_n pope_n boniface_n do_v add_v at_o which_o all_o man_n do_v marmaile_v that_o the_o king_n of_o france_n ought_v to_o reverence_v the_o pope_n not_o only_o in_o sacred_a manner_n and_o by_o episcopal_a right_n as_o a_o father_n of_o our_o soul_n but_o he_o ought_v also_o to_o acknowledge_v he_o as_o his_o prince_n by_o civil_a jurisdiction_n and_o in_o profane_a matter_n and_o dominion_n all_o this_o be_v consider_v as_o also_o that_o all_o the_o word_n of_o that_o extravagant_a be_v so_o general_a that_o they_o may_v be_v understand_v as_o well_o if_o not_o better_o of_o the_o pope_n direct_a dominion_n in_o temporall_n as_o of_o his_o indirect_a power_n to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_n which_o be_v only_o in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a what_o great_a reckon_n be_v to_o be_v make_v of_o this_o constitution_n of_o p._n boniface_n it_o be_v withal_o reverse_a by_o p._n clemens_n the_o 5._o who_o next_o but_o one_o succeed_v he_o i_o remit_v to_o the_o consideration_n of_o the_o judicious_a reader_n chap._n 10._o wherein_o the_o similitude_n of_o pope_n innocent_a the_o three_o who_o compare_v the_o spiritual_a and_o temporal_a power_n to_o the_o sun_n &_o moon_n be_v examine_v 1._o the_o sixth_o and_o last_o argument_n which_o card._n bellarmine_n bringth_n to_o prove_v the_o sbiection_n of_o the_o temporal_a power_n to_o the_o spiritual_a be_v take_v from_o the_o authority_n of_o pope_n innocent_a the_o three_o who_o in_o cap._n solitae_fw-la de_fw-la maioritate_fw-la &_o obedientia_fw-la do_v well_o say_v he_o fine_a he_o in_o tract_n contra_fw-la barcl_n c._n 13._o in_o fine_a compare_v the_o spiritual_a &_o temporal_a power_n to_o the_o sun_n &_o moon_n therefore_o as_o the_o moon_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o sun_n for_o that_o she_o receive_v light_a from_o the_o sun_n &_o the_o sun_n be_v not_o subject_a to_o the_o moon_n for_o that_o the_o sun_n receive_v nothing_o from_o the_o moon_n so_o also_o a_o king_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o pope_n &_o the_o pope_n be_v not_o subject_a to_o a_o king_n 2._o but_o first_o this_o similitude_n do_v not_o prove_v that_o the_o temporal_a power_n itself_o be_v subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o that_o a_o temporal_a king_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o pope_n in_o respect_n of_o his_o temporal_a power_n which_o he_o do_v not_o receive_v from_o the_o pope_n but_o in_o respect_n of_o the_o light_n of_o faith_n which_o a_o temporal_a king_n receive_v from_o the_o spiritual_a power_n and_o therefore_o as_o the_o moon_n when_o she_o be_v eclypse_v &_o in_o opposition_n to_o the_o sun_n do_v not_o loose_v that_o little_a light_n which_o according_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o philosopher_n and_o astronomer_n she_o have_v of_o she_o own_o nature_n and_o not_o derive_v from_o the_o sun_n so_o temporal_a prince_n when_o of_o catholic_n or_o christian_n they_o become_v heretic_n or_o infidel_n and_o be_v in_o opposition_n to_o the_o pope_n do_v not_o loose_v
the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v according_a to_o the_o intention_n of_o christ_n 29._o but_o true_o although_o there_o may_v be_v allege_v some_o probable_a congruity_n wherefore_o our_o saviour_n may_v grant_v some_o special_a prerogative_n and_o privilege_n of_o exemption_n to_o s._n peter_n who_o he_o have_v choose_v to_o be_v the_o first_o and_o principal_a head_n and_o governor_n of_o his_o church_n rather_o than_o to_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o apostle_n as_o likewise_o the_o divine_n do_v yield_v probable_a congruity_n wherefore_o god_n almighty_a may_v give_v to_o the_o b._n virgin_n mary_n who_o he_o have_v choose_v to_o be_v the_o mother_n of_o his_o immaculate_a son_n a_o special_a prerogative_n and_o privilege_n of_o exemption_n from_o original_a sin_n but_o whether_o he_o do_v grant_v that_o privilege_n or_o no_o it_o can_v certain_o be_v prove_v nevertheless_o for_o my_o own_o part_n i_o do_v not_o see_v any_o probable_a likelihood_n that_o our_o saviour_n shall_v 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repugnance_n but_o rather_o a_o necessary_a consequence_n that_o spiritual_a prince_n not_o as_o they_o be_v spiritual_a prince_n but_o as_o they_o be_v true_a part_n and_o member_n of_o the_o temporal_a common_a wealth_n shall_v be_v subject_a in_o temporal_a affair_n to_o temporal_a prince_n for_o every_o member_n say_v card._n bellarmine_n 19_o bellarmine_n liâ—_n de_fw-fr monachis_fw-la cap._n 19_o aught_o to_o be_v subject_a to_o the_o head_n and_o clergy_n man_n beside_o that_o they_o be_v clergy_n man_n be_v also_o citizen_n and_o part_n of_o the_o civil_a common_a wealth_n as_o card._n bellarmine_n affirm_v in_o a_o other_o place_n 28._o place_n lib._n de_fw-fr clericis_fw-la cap._n 28._o and_o the_o king_n be_v head_n of_o the_o politic_a or_o civil_a body_n as_o also_o in_o his_o schulckenius_n he_o express_o affirm_v 339._o affirm_v pag._n 339._o four_o for_o that_o card._n bellarmine_n be_v also_o now_o of_o opinion_n at_o least_o wise_a he_o be_v when_o he_o write_v 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confess_v 6_o confess_v navar._n super_fw-la cap._n non_fw-la liceat_fw-la papaâ—_n 12._o q._n 2_o 55._o 3â—_n nu_fw-la 6_o do_v attribute_n to_o the_o pope_n more_o authority_n than_o be_v fit_v and_o to_o censure_v so_o rigorous_o and_o rash_o the_o learn_a catholic_n of_o this_o age_n and_o also_o of_o his_o own_o society_n of_o temeritie_n i_o remit_v to_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o discreet_a reader_n as_o also_o to_o consider_v whether_o reason_n or_o affection_n to_o advance_v the_o pope_n authority_n move_v he_o not_o only_o to_o recall_v his_o former_a opinion_n but_o also_o to_o condemn_v it_o as_o improbable_a 33_o last_o that_o the_o reader_n may_v have_v some_o knowledge_n of_o the_o true_a state_n of_o the_o question_n concern_v the_o authority_n of_o spiritual_a pastor_n to_o exempt_a clergy_n man_n from_o the_o power_n of_o secular_a prince_n for_o that_o some_o divine_n be_v of_o opinion_n that_o from_o the_o exemption_n of_o clergy_n man_n a_o strong_a argument_n 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pastor_n he_o shall_v offend_v against_o the_o virtue_n of_o religion_n for_o the_o which_o offence_n his_o spiritual_a pastor_n may_v punish_v he_o with_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n and_o of_o this_o manner_n of_o exemption_n by_o way_n of_o command_n and_o spiritual_a coercion_n all_o the_o canon_n and_o decree_n of_o pope_n and_o counsel_n which_o do_v signify_v imply_v or_o suppose_v that_o clergy_n man_n may_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n without_o the_o consent_n of_o temporal_a prince_n be_v exempt_v from_o secular_a power_n either_o touch_v their_o person_n or_o their_o good_n may_v be_v very_o well_o understand_v i_o say_v if_o the_o necessity_n of_o the_o church_n do_v require_v it_o for_o at_o this_o present_a i_o will_v not_o enter_v into_o particular_n what_o manner_n of_o necessity_n be_v require_v that_o a_o spiritual_a pastor_n may_v impose_v such_o a_o command_n upon_o his_o temporal_a prince_n 34_o but_o the_o controversy_n betwixt_o i_o and_o my_o adversary_n betwixt_o those_o catholic_n who_o be_v so_o vehement_a for_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n and_o those_o on_o the_o contrary_a side_n be_v whether_o spiritual_a pastor_n as_o they_o be_v spiritual_a pastor_n or_o by_o virtue_n of_o their_o spiritual_a power_n have_v not_o only_o by_o way_n of_o command_n and_o spiritual_a coercion_n but_o also_o by_o way_n of_o sentence_n authority_n to_o exempt_v without_o the_o consent_n of_o prince_n clergy_n man_n who_o before_o be_v subject_a to_o they_o in_o temporall_n from_o the_o directive_a and_o coercive_v power_n of_o secular_a prince_n in_o such_o sort_n that_o after_o the_o sentence_n of_o such_o exemption_n be_v give_v clergy_n man_n be_v no_o more_o the_o subject_n of_o that_o secular_a prince_n for_o that_o his_o spiritual_a pastor_n do_v deprive_v he_o of_o that_o civil_a power_n which_o before_o the_o sentence_n he_o have_v over_o clergy_n man_n and_o what_o be_v say_v of_o particular_a bishop_n in_o respect_n of_o prince_n who_o be_v their_o spiritual_a child_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o supreme_a spiritual_a pastor_n in_o respect_n of_o all_o christian_a prince_n who_o be_v subject_a to_o he_o in_o spirituall_n this_o be_v the_o true_a state_n of_o the_o question_n 35_o so_o that_o the_o reader_n may_v clear_o perceive_v that_o although_o from_o the_o first_o manner_n of_o exemption_n by_o way_n of_o command_n and_o spiritual_a coercion_n no_o good_a argument_n can_v be_v draw_v to_o prove_v that_o the_o spiritual_a power_n can_v depose_v prince_n and_o deprive_v they_o of_o their_o regal_a authority_n by_o way_n of_o sentence_n yet_o there_o be_v great_a coherence_n betwixt_o these_o two_o question_n concern_v the_o power_n of_o spiritual_a pastor_n to_o depose_v prince_n by_o way_n of_o sentence_n and_o their_o power_n to_o exempt_v by_o way_n of_o sentence_n clergy_n man_n from_o all_o subjection_n to_o secular_a prince_n for_o the_o first_o question_n be_v whether_o the_o spiritual_a power_n can_v by_o way_n of_o sentence_n deprive_v temporal_a prince_n of_o all_o their_o temporal_a power_n and_o absolve_v all_o their_o subject_n from_o their_o temporal_a allegiance_n and_o the_o second_o be_v whether_o it_o can_v deprive_v they_o of_o some_o part_n of_o their_o temporal_a power_n and_o absolve_v some_o of_o their_o subject_n from_o their_o temporal_a allegiance_n and_o therefore_o those_o catholic_n who_o do_v grant_v the_o second_o will_v easy_o grant_v the_o first_o and_o who_o do_v grant_v the_o first_o must_v of_o necessity_n grant_v the_o second_o for_o that_o there_o can_v be_v no_o sufficient_a reason_n allege_v why_o the_o spiritual_a power_n can_v in_o order_n to_o spiritual_a good_a deprive_v prince_n of_o some_o part_n of_o their_o regal_a authority_n and_o not_o of_o all_o and_o absolve_v some_o subject_n from_o their_o temporal_a allegiance_n and_o not_o all_o and_o if_o it_o can_v deprive_v oâ—_n all_o iâ—_n must_v needs_o follow_v that_o it_o can_v also_o of_o some_o part_n and_o contrariwise_o those_o catholic_n who_o affirm_v that_o the_o spiritual_a power_n can_v exempt_v ot_fw-mi absolve_v clergy_n man_n from_o their_o temporal_a allegiance_n and_o subjection_n to_o temporal_a prince_n must_v consequeny_o affirm_v that_o it_o can_v not_o exempt_a or_o absolve_v all_o subject_n from_o their_o temporal_a allegiance_n and_o who_o affirm_v that_o it_o can_v not_o absolve_v or_o exempt_v all_o subject_n from_o their_o temporal_a allegiance_n nor_o deprive_v a_o temporale_n prince_n of_o all_o his_o regal_a authority_n will_v easy_o affirm_v that_o it_o can_v exempt_v or_o absolve_v clergy_n man_n from_o their_o temporal_a allegiance_n and_o subjection_n nor_o deprive_v a_o temporal_a prince_n of_o any_o part_n of_o his_o regal_a authority_n 36_o but_o some_o do_v great_o urge_v this_o objection_n if_o the_o spiritual_a power_n can_v command_v temporal_a prince_n not_o to_o exercise_v their_o temporal_a power_n over_o the_o person_n or_o good_n of_o clergy_n man_n without_o the_o consent_n of_o their_o ecclesiastical_a superior_a it_o do_v consequent_o follow_v that_o a_o temporal_a prince_n do_v offend_v if_o he_o transgress_v the_o just_a and_o lawful_a command_n of_o his_o spiritual_a pastor_n and_o therefore_o it_o seem_v that_o a_o temporal_a prince_n have_v no_o power_n over_o the_o person_n or_o good_n of_o clergy_n man_n after_o such_o a_o command_n suppose_v it_o to_o be_v lawful_a unless_o we_o will_v grant_v that_o a_o temporal_a prince_n have_v power_n to_o commit_v sin_n and_o to_o transgress_v the_o lawful_a command_n of_o his_o spiritual_a pastor_n 37_o to_o this_o objection_n wherewith_o i_o have_v know_v diverse_a man_n of_o learning_n to_o be_v somewhat_o perplex_v those_o catholic_n who_o deny_v that_o the_o spiritual_a power_n can_v deprive_v by_o way_n of_o sentence_n a_o temporal_a prince_n of_o his_o regal_a authority_n either_o whole_o or_o in_o part_n may_v easy_o answer_v in_o this_o manner_n that_o if_o a_o temporal_a prince_n do_v excercise_n his_o temporal_a power_n over_o the_o person_n or_o good_n of_o clergy_n man_n against_o the_o lawful_a command_n of_o his_o spiritual_a pastor_n he_o sin_v indeed_o against_o religion_n and_o the_o general_a virtue_n of_o obedience_n in_o that_o he_o use_v his_o power_n contrary_a to_o the_o lawful_a command_n of_o his_o spiritual_a pastor_n but_o he_o do_v not_o sin_n against_o the_o special_a virtue_n of_o legal_a or_o moral_a justice_n in_o use_v his_o authority_n over_o they_o who_o be_v not_o his_o subject_n and_o over_o who_o he_o have_v no_o temporal_a power_n and_o authority_n in_o that_o manner_n as_o another_o man_n who_o be_v not_o their_o prince_n shall_v offend_v neither_o be_v it_o unusual_a for_o a_o man_n to_o commit_v a_o sin_n in_o do_v that_o which_o in_o respect_n of_o justice_n he_o have_v power_n and_o authority_n to_o do_v 38_o as_o for_o example_n it_o be_v a_o sin_n against_o the_o virtue_n of_o liberality_n for_o one_o to_o give_v away_o his_o good_n prodigal_o although_o if_o we_o respect_v justice_n he_o have_v true_a and_o full_a power_n to_o give_v they_o away_o for_o that_o he_o give_v nothing_o but_o that_o which_o be_v his_o own_o and_o therefore_o that_o prodigal_a gift_n although_o it_o be_v unlawful_a yet_o be_v not_o unjust_a as_o justice_n be_v take_v not_o as_o it_o comprehend_v all_o virtue_n in_o general_a but_o in_o particular_a for_o a_o special_a virtue_n and_o one_o of_o the_o four_o cardinal_n virtue_n so_o also_o it_o be_v a_o sin_n against_o the_o virtue_n of_o temperance_n to_o give_v money_n to_o commit_v a_o unhonest_a act_n and_o yet_o the_o gift_n be_v not_o unjust_a for_o that_o he_o give_v nothing_o but_o his_o own_o and_o which_o according_a to_o justice_n he_o have_v power_n to_o give_v so_o likewise_o if_o a_o ghostly_a father_n command_v his_o penitent_a to_o give_v a_o certain_a part_n of_o his_o good_n to_o the_o poor_a in_o satisfaction_n of_o his_o sin_n if_o the_o penitent_a do_v bestow_v they_o otherwise_o then_o he_o be_v command_v he_o sin_v against_o the_o virtue_n of_o religion_n and_o sacrament_n of_o penance_n in_o transgress_v his_o ghostly_a father_n lawful_a command_n but_o he_o commit_v no_o injustice_n because_o he_o give_v that_o which_o be_v his_o own_o and_o which_o if_o we_o regard_v the_o virtue_n of_o justice_n he_o have_v power_n to_o give_v neither_o do_v the_o command_n of_o his_o ghostly_a father_n deprive_v he_o of_o the_o right_n dominion_n property_n and_o power_n which_o he_o have_v before_o over_o those_o good_n 39_o last_o if_o the_o pope_n shall_v upon_o just_a cause_n suspend_v a_o priest_n from_o the_o altar_n or_o a_o bishop_n from_o his_o episcopal_a function_n and_o consequent_o forbid_v the_o priest_n to_o consecrate_v and_o the_o bishop_n to_o give_v order_n if_o they_o shall_v disobey_v the_o pope_n lawful_a command_n they_o shall_v sin_v against_o the_o
virtue_n of_o religion_n in_o use_v their_o power_n unlawful_o but_o they_o shall_v not_o sin_v for_o do_v that_o which_o they_o have_v no_o power_n to_o do_v as_o he_o who_o be_v no_o priest_n or_o bishop_n shall_v in_o consecrate_v or_o give_v order_n offend_v for_o that_o the_o power_n of_o a_o priest_n to_o consecrate_v and_o of_o a_o bishop_n to_o give_v order_n can_v either_o whole_o or_o in_o part_n be_v take_v away_o from_o they_o by_o the_o pope_n so_o likewise_o although_o a_o spiritual_a pastor_n shall_v for_o just_a cause_n forbid_v a_o temporal_a prince_n who_o be_v his_o spiritual_a child_n and_o subject_a to_o excercise_n his_o regal_a power_n and_o authority_n over_o clergy_n man_n if_o that_o temporal_a prince_n shall_v herein_o transgress_v the_o command_n of_o his_o spiritual_a pastor_n suppose_v it_o to_o be_v lawful_a he_o shall_v indeed_o offend_v against_o religion_n in_o use_v his_o regal_a power_n and_o authority_n contrary_a to_o the_o lawful_a command_n of_o his_o spiritual_a pastor_n which_o command_n be_v impose_v for_o the_o motive_n of_o religion_n nevertheless_o he_o shall_v not_o offend_v against_o justice_n in_o do_v that_o which_o he_o have_v no_o power_n and_o authority_n to_o do_v in_o that_o manner_n as_o another_o man_n who_o be_v not_o their_o prince_n shall_v by_o deprive_v they_o of_o their_o good_n or_o punish_v their_o person_n if_o they_o transgress_v the_o law_n offend_v for_o that_o it_o be_v not_o in_o the_o power_n of_o a_o spiritual_a pastor_n to_o deprive_v a_o temporal_a prince_n either_o whole_o or_o in_o part_n of_o his_o regal_a power_n and_o temporal_a sovereignty_n 40_o wherefore_o if_o we_o respect_v the_o power_n itself_o and_o the_o virtue_n of_o legal_a or_o moral_a justice_n a_o temporal_a prince_n have_v full_a ample_a and_o supreme_a royal_a power_n and_o authority_n over_o clergy_n man_n notwithstanding_o that_o his_o spiritual_a pastor_n shall_v for_o just_a cause_n command_v he_o not_o to_o exercise_v his_o regal_a power_n upon_o the_o person_n of_o clergy_n man_n who_o do_v offend_v his_o law_n but_o if_o we_o respect_v rhe_n use_v and_o execution_n of_o the_o power_n and_o the_o virtue_n of_o religion_n the_o use_n indeed_o of_o his_o power_n in_o the_o aforesaid_a case_n be_v so_o limit_v by_o the_o lawful_a command_n of_o the_o spiritual_a pastor_n that_o the_o prince_n use_v his_o power_n over_o clergy_n man_n sin_v against_o religion_n for_o that_o he_o disobey_v the_o lawful_a command_n of_o his_o spiritual_a superior_a which_o be_v impose_v for_o the_o motive_n of_o religion_n but_o not_o against_o justice_n for_o that_o he_o do_v not_o excercise_n his_o regal_a power_n but_o upon_o those_o who_o be_v his_o subject_n and_o do_v owe_v unto_o he_o true_a loyalty_n and_o temporal_a obedience_n 41_o and_o true_o if_o the_o aforesaid_a objection_n be_v of_o force_n that_o the_o temporal_a prince_n have_v no_o power_n or_o authority_n over_o clergy_n man_n who_o be_v subject_a to_o he_o in_o temporall_n against_o the_o lawful_a command_n of_o his_o spiritual_a pastor_n because_o he_o have_v no_o power_n to_o sin_n it_o will_v likewise_o follow_v that_o a_o suspend_v bishop_n or_o priest_n have_v no_o power_n to_o give_v order_n or_o to_o consecrate_v because_o they_o have_v no_o power_n to_o sin_n and_o a_o penitent_a have_v no_o lawful_a right_n or_o power_n to_o sell_v or_o give_v away_o his_o good_n against_o the_o lawful_a command_n of_o his_o ghostly_a father_n because_o he_o have_v no_o power_n to_o sin_n and_o a_o man_n have_v no_o power_n or_o right_o to_o give_v money_n to_o a_o dishonest_a end_n or_o to_o give_v away_o his_o good_n prodigal_o and_o consequent_o they_o shall_v be_v restore_v back_o again_o because_o he_o have_v no_o power_n to_o sin_n i_o will_v say_v nothing_o at_o this_o time_n how_o far_o clergy_n man_n either_o by_o the_o privilege_n of_o christian_n prince_n or_o by_o the_o ecclesiastical_a canon_n be_v de_fw-fr 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