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A14357	M. le Hucher minister of Amyens in France compelled to fly from the pure word of holy write; strucke dumme; and made to runne away Vppon the subiect of the B. Sacrament of the altar. By F. Francis Veron of the Society of Iesus, encountring him with the Bible of Geneua only. In the presence of the Duke de Longueuille. VVith a briefe and easie meanes, by which each Catholike may, in like manner, put to flight any minister or sectarie. Sent from Sieur de la Tour one of the sayd Dukes gentlemen, to Sieur de Rotois, gentleman of the Kings game.; Adrian Hucher ministre d'Amyens, mis à l'inquisition des passages de la Bible de Genève. English	Véron, François, 1575-1649.; Catcher, Edward, 1584?-1624?	1616 (1616)	STC 24675.5; ESTC S107356	29,473	96

to saluation but flesh animated by his spirite and quickened by his deuine life in this manner we eate it In which fashion we cannot eate anie other flesh for it must first be dead before it nourish vs. Remember finally that I doe not by this Scripture prooue my faith this suffiseth me that in these words you reade not either figure of body or that we hold that it is donne spiritually in such manner that the body is not contained there this I say suffiseth to make you know you are misledd For since you reade it not which doubtles if it were there you might the pure word warranteth not that which this article containeth Behold Syr the arte which in this letter I promised to discouer vnto you is it not a rare worthy hunting-game haue you ere this seene such coursing F. Veron in teaching it me told me that which I know will giue it no small luster in your eye that he receaued the origine and substance therof from the R.F. Gontery which famous hunter was the authour and inuentour of this so efficacious and facile sport who also vsed no other in his disputes a-against the Ministers iudging this the best and most powerfull of all And you know well that that fearfull scourge of the Hereticke is most expert in these combats 〈◊〉 being so beaten a soldiour in those warres each prudent man wil make a great esteme of his aduise herein He hath putt to slight the Ministers of Dieppe of Caen of Sedan c. and among the rest some Allmaines he founde at Tourlac But how Truly by no other meanes but this by the pure Scripture alone and that after the Geneua Translation by the practise before set downe Sauing that he brideled them in more shortly for he neuer suffered them in any point debated to proceed by consequences which they said they would deduce out of the Scripture vnles they first subscribed that they could not enter combate with vs by the pure written word I should now sende you the relation promised of this Conference between F. Veron and the Minister Hucher but because the printer by reason of the great frostes could not dispatch the same so soone as I hoped not to keepe you wholy in suspence I send you the summary thereof togeather with the meanes to buckle with the Sectaries The whole Conference is vnder the presse you shall haue it within eight daies ioyne it to this fashion of hunting which I now send you for in that you will see the practise of this kinde of chace vsed by the Father in this conflict Heere will you also see by this so succesfull and remarkable victory the efficacy of this arte It is scarcely possible to putt a man to more confusion then the Minister was in The fame of this victory strooke the sectaries to the harte Seeing the title of this epistle before it was printed they were much offended at it but all partes thereof are easily iustified by the Actes of the Conference signed Behold out of them the Ministers owne wordes He hauing promised to shew by the pure word that IESVS Christ is not in the Eucharist after a little pressing said The truth is that these vvords the body of IESVS Christ is not in the Eucharist are not in the Scripture And after being vrged a little harder he confessed besides twice before all the assembly that he had not any text in Scripture which setting aside all consequences conteyned formally and expresly the sense of this proposition IESVS Christ is not in the Eucharist which notwithstanding he before vndertooke to shew by the pure word and so to reforme the Iesuite in his errour Is not this as much as to confesse that he could not by the pure word reforme vs in this point is not this to forsake it is not this to renounce the office and exercise of a reformer thinke you these fittes proceede from a merry hart wherfore with reason the epistle beares for title The Minister of Amiens constrained to renounce the pure vvord of holy vvrite He stayed so long dumme and in presence of so many personnes and of such quality that there is no tergiuersation and refused so long time in the third session to come to the proofe of that in which the day before he was struck speechles or also to deale in any other point that the flight is as euident as the day light VVherfore the epistle hath right vnto his title VVithin few dayes you shall see the narration at large well subscribed and signed in the meane tyme notwithstanding for iustification of the summary thereof sett downe in the beginning of this letter I haue procured these subscriptions following Subscriptions of the Conference the summe vvherof is contained in the beginning of this letter VVEE the subsigned Gentlemen of the Duke of Longueuille being present with our said Lord at the Conferences of which the narration is before set downe do testifie that they haue truly passed as it is declared Giuen at Amyens the 12. of February 1615. Pelletot Foucaucourt Le Cheualier de Moyencourt Gondreuille Tannere Goustimenil Courtauenel Certaine poincts collected out of this practise and other experiences of this kind reduced to six heads for the more warie proceeding of Catholiques with Sectaries of our age THE 1. poinct Seeing that our new Sectaries doe suppose vs Catholiques to be deceaued in our beleefe and that they ar sent to reforme vs by the onlie vvritten vvord of Scripture er the Catholique enter into conference with anie Sectarie let him first demaund what he vnderstandeth by the onlie vvritten vvord of Scripture whither the Old and new Testament with all the parts of eche both as we Catholiques doe or els what Then let the Catholique request the Sectarie to proue by the onlie vvritten vvord as he tooke vppon him that the whole Bible or such parcels as he doth admit for holie Scripture or reiect ar in deede or at not holy Scripture He cannot doe it but by Tradition and by the Catholique Church her authoritie The 2. is No Catholique conferring must seeke to proue our opinions which the Sectaries disalowe of for we ar in possession and defendants not plainetifes The 3. is The Catholique must not in any case permit the Sectarie to bring anie proofe whatsoeuer other then the onlie vvritten vvord of Scripture and this also without anie interpretation glose or consequence of his owne braine The 4. is Let not the Catholique suffer his Aduersary to leape from pale to pearch and from one Controuersie to another vntill he be conuinced of errour in his beleefe and this by the onlie vvritten vvord The 5. is The Sectarie not proouing by the onlie vvritten vvord that which he promised as not able to performe it the Catholique must constraine ether him or some els there present to subscribe that he could not prooue what he vndertooke in such sort as he ought to haue donne The 6. and last is The Catholique must confer and consider with attention the places of Scripture alledged by Sectaries to disproue our doctrine for ordinarilie they make no more to the purpose then appeare to a nut For example to prooue that vve must beleeue the onlie vvritten vvord they bring forth these places Deuter 4. v. 2. Deuter. 12. v. 32. Galat. 1. v. 8. Apocalip 22. v. 18. which make nothing against vs or for them For by the first and second we should according to the sense of our aduersaries beleeue nought els but that which is in the Deuteronomie by the third nothing but that epistle of S. Paul by the last nought els but the Apocalipse See theire madnes and foolery and looke to theire water

all truth and that all things must be examined ruled and reformed by the same For it is not the rule of this verity and that of greatest consequence to witt that the bookes of the old and new Testament are canonicall and writen by deuine reuelation Again to reiect any booke from the number of the Canonicall as for example you doe reiect that of Tobias and admitt the Ghospell of S. Mathew you guide not your selues by this rule of the pure word but as you giue it out of the inward persuasion of the holy Ghost See how your articles destroy each other Tell me farther Do you hold that one may and ought to baptize little infants That we must not rebaptize hereticques which haue been baptized in the name of the B. Trinity that we must keepe holy sunday and not saturday you beleeue that the Mother of God remayned alwayes a virgin Notwithstanding you finde not one text of Scripture to iustify any of these points why do you then contradict your selues and your article which teacheth that the written word is the rule of all truth Doth not S. Paul in the. 2. to the Thessalon 2. vers 15. exhort saying Stand and hold fast the instructions our translation reads traditions which you haue learned eyther by our word or by our epistle Note that he makes mention of the word besides that which is written in Scripture and in the 2. to Timothe 2. Vers 2. The things which thou hast heard of me by many witnesses these commend to faythfull men which shall be fitt to teach others also Doe not you perceaue a diuine word taught not by writing but by word of mouth In the. 1. to the Cor. 11. Vers 34. Other things I will set in order when I come Such ordinances by word of mouth are they not as well deuine as those which are sett downe in writing I omit many other authorities to this purpose by the way only citing these for that it is not my intent to iustify and prooue vnto you in this treatise that which we beleeue My only scope is to shew vnto you that you are abused and that the pure word teacheth no such thing as your articles report This haue I performed in this article which I haue examined with the textes cited for the same for the Article saith that the written word is the rule of all truth and in the passages alledged we neyther read written word nor the rule of all truth Wherfore they haue not that which the article saith otherwise knowing to reade we should see it there For conclusion heereof the Caluinists in this article of greatest importance are therefore abused and by consequence in all the rest I before marked which are out of this deduced against vs which are in great number Reuew them and in so many points acknowledg your selues deceaued I haue at large examined this article aswell for that as hath been shewed it is of greatest importance as also for that the falshood therof being discouered the Ministers are bereaued of the most efficatious and ordinary meanes they had to defend themselues in these conflicts for they alwayes fly for refuge to this Proposition That nothing must be beleeued bus that which is in the Scripture Their custome is to question vs where finde you Purgatory in the Scripture or the reall presence of the body of Iesus Christ in the sacrament of the Altar c. For say they if it be not there it is superstition to beleeue it And by this meanes in lieu of reforming our pretended abuses by the pure word they cunningly engage vs to prooue our faith A wyly deuise Catholicks looke vnto their fingers and be sure that when they make you such questions you take not vppon you to be disputants but allthough you haue many authorities yett bring no place of Scripture to iustify your cause Marke well the wilines of the Aduersaries They are bound by their .31 article to reforme vs and by their 5 to do it by the pure word by this disguise and faire apparence drawing many to their part But their practise is after another fashion For knowing well that they are neuer able to performe that which they haue bound themselues vnto to disingage themselues from this obligation by a fine deuise they endeuour to make vs the plaintifs questioning vs after the fashion aforesaid And if in awnswere of their questions you bring some expresse textes for your self behold by this the Minister hath gott his neck out of the coller and hauing before hand quitt himself of all Anquity Fathers Miracles c. he will turne of the Scripture at his owne pleasure and in fine delude you though you haue ten cleere textes for your purpose Of this we haue dayly experience Handle him in an other fashion You must neuer lett him change his coate He is obliged by the Confession of his faith to shew you by the pure word your errours hold him to it there to his testimonies of the pure word which must sett downe your pretended errours Doe but this and I warrant you the Minister will quickly be brought vpon his knees and haue a care you release him not but keepe him downe But how vrge him still with this that he shew you some expresse text of Scripture which sayth That there is no Purgatory or That the body of Iesus Christ is not in the Eucharist It is his charge to do it who hath pawned his word to shew vs by the pure word our errours But if he hope to scape the torture by this sleight saying that he sufficiently sheweth our errour in that as he sayth we cannot shew by the Scripture Purgatory or the reall presence Haue a care that though you haue many cleere textes on your side bring none make not your selues Plaintifs for so he will be deliuered from the rack but presse him eagrely that he shw you that he promised or at least that nothing must be beleeued but that which is in the Scripture for by this maxime alone doth he argue you of errour And then that after he hath donne this you will produce your places Not being able to shew this proposition in the whole Scripture as by the precedent examen I haue shewd he cannot he is driuen to a non plus nor hath he any meanes to scape away Thus shall you shew breefly euidently that their 31. and 5. articles ar false which promised to reforme our pretended abuses by the pure word and cannot do it And that the Mimisters are egregious impostours which vnder such a faire pretext haue seduced so many thowsands of soules And you of the pretended religion put but your Ministers to this triall and you will see them presently fall speechles and your selues apparently abused Before we passe any farther I cannot omitt to examine breeflie one clause of the 24. article which I before let passe for that for it there is cited in the margent a texte which is not