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therefore_o according_a to_o the_o seven_o branch_n we_o ought_v to_o take_v it_o so_o in_o this_o clause_n 3._o three_o i_o marvel_v that_o you_o shall_v so_o resolute_o affirm_v without_o allege_v any_o reason_n that_o without_o doubt_v the_o intention_n of_o the_o lawmaker_n be_v that_o we_o shall_v no_o less_o detest_v the_o one_o part_n of_o the_o proposition_n than_o the_o other_o especial_o see_v that_o mr._n widdrington_n have_v answer_v at_o large_a this_o objection_n in_o his_o confutation_n of_o mr._n fitzherbert_n who_o urge_v the_o same_o objection_n more_o full_o than_o you_o have_v do_v and_o yet_o you_o urge_v here_o mr._n fitzherbert_n objection_n and_o take_v no_o notice_n of_o mr._n widdringtons_n answer_n to_o the_o same_o and_o be_v it_o possible_a that_o a_o man_n of_o your_o learning_n can_v imagine_v that_o his_o majesty_n do_v detest_v no_o less_o that_o be_v in_o the_o same_o degree_n of_o detestation_n and_o falsity_n the_o doctrine_n of_o murder_a prince_n 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common_a doctrine_n of_o divine_n whereof_o some_o be_v cite_v in_o the_o new-year_n gift_n 43._o gift_n in_o the_o first_o observation_n nu_fw-la 11._o pag._n 43._o who_o understand_v it_o not_o only_o of_o a_o true_a but_o also_o of_o a_o probable_a doubt_n and_o who_o also_o in_o my_o judgement_n prove_v the_o same_o by_o convince_a reason_n and_o yet_o you_o bring_v no_o other_o reason_n or_o authority_n that_o it_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v only_o of_o a_o true_a doubt_n but_o your_o own_o conceit_n which_v rule_n seem_v to_o i_o say_v you_o to_o be_v understand_v rather_o in_o a_o true_a doubt_n and_o when_o neither_o side_n have_v probability_n than_o otherwise_o be_v this_o think_v you_o a_o sound_n and_o sincere_a confutation_n of_o widdringtons_n doctrine_n in_o a_o matter_n which_o be_v so_o injurious_a to_o the_o sovereign_a right_n of_o prince_n and_o so_o prejudicial_a and_o dangerous_a to_o the_o soul_n and_o temporal_a estate_n of_o english_a catholic_n sect._n 9_o objection_n and_o although_o lessius_fw-la and_o other_o with_o you_o seem_v to_o hold_v say_v you_o that_o none_o can_v be_v deprive_v of_o his_o right_n upon_o a_o probable_a title_n only_o object_n object_n yet_o that_o must_v be_v understand_v first_o if_o that_o right_o be_v not_o retain_v with_o the_o wrong_n of_o other_o or_o the_o retain_v of_o that_o right_o be_v not_o the_o hindrance_n of_o a_o great_a good_a answer_n 1._o but_o first_o answ_n answ_n why_o do_v you_o use_v those_o word_n seem_v to_o hold_v as_o though_o they_o do_v not_o in_o very_a deed_n hold_v that_o none_o can_v be_v deprive_v of_o his_o right_n to_o that_o whereof_o he_o have_v possession_n upon_o a_o probable_a power_n or_o title_n only_o whereas_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o they_o do_v express_o hold_v the_o same_o 2._o second_o why_o do_v you_o omit_v those_o word_n upon_o a_o probable_a power_n whereas_o there_o be_v a_o great_a difference_n betwixt_o a_o probable_a power_n to_o punish_v and_o 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