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A14155 Tvvo learned sermons The one, of the mischieuous subtiltie, and barbarous crueltie, the other of the false doctrines, and refined hæresis of the romish synagogue. / Preached, the one at Paules Crosse the 5. of Nouember, 1608. The other at the Spittle the 17. of Aprill. 1609. In the first, are examined diuers passages of that lewde English libell, written by a prophane fugitiue, against the Apologie for the Oath of Allegeance. In the seconde, are answered many of the arguments published by Rob. Chambers priest, concerning popish miracles; and dedicated (forsooth) to the Kings most excellent Maiestie. By Robert Tynley, Doctor of Diuinitie, and Archdeacon of Ely. Tynley, Robert, 1561 or 2-1616. 1609 (1609) STC 24472; ESTC S118816 62,579 82

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vpward after Christ vntill such time as Hildebrand surnamed Gregorie the seuenth lifted vp his Priestly launce as they say against Caesars sword and vsurped the authoritie of decrowning Princes Which were absurd once to enter into any mans conceit of common sense or learning Yet more then this our English Catholike saith not But perchance Matthew Tort Cardinall Bellarmines Chaplaine prooueth the point more substantially True if the wresting of a place or two in holy Scripture make any thing to the purpose He allegeth out of Iohn 21.15.16 our Sauiour his charge to S. Peter Feed my Lambes Feed my sheepe And out of S. Matthew c. 16. v. 19. the like saying to S. Peter I will giue vnto thee the Keies of the Kingdome of Heauen and whatsoeuer thou shalt binde vpon earth shall be bound in heauen and whatsoeuer thou shalt loose vpon earth shall be loosed in heauen From whence saith he omnes Catholici colligunt all Catholikes doe gather that it appertaineth to the authoritie of the high Bishop hee meaneth the Pope of Rome not onely to haue power to loose from sinnes sed etiam à poenis censuris legibus votis atque iuramentis but from punishments Censures Lawes vowes and Othes When it shall make for Gods glorie and the Saluation of soules But when may this when euer bee that God shall bee glorified by ouerthrowing all lawes both diuine and humane or is any thing more impossible then that truth should receiue honour from lying periuries Is not this to make a lie for God which holy Iob so much detesteth c. 13. ve 9. Or in the best sense to do euill that good may come therby which whosoeuer shal attēpt the Apostle pronounceth of them that their damnation is iust Ro. 3.8 Againe where the Chaplaine auoucheth his exposition of loosing to bee ment not onely of remission of sinnes which wee willingly acknowledge with his Lord and master the Cardinal but also of relaxation from lawes de Rom. pontifi lib. 1. C. 12. vows and oathes from the authoritie of all Catholikes omnes Catholici colligunt either the ancient Fathers of the Church a In Mathae Origen b In Psal 38. Ambrose c Aduersus Iouiu l. 1. Hierome d In I●ha tract 118. de Agon Christi Ca. 30. Angustine e De Trinit l. 6 Hilary and f Chrysost de sacerdot lib. 2 Theophilact in Mat. cap. 16 Cypriā de vnit Ecclesiaeseu de simplicitat praelatorem Ansel in Mat c. 16. ver 19. Beda ibid. c. such like are no Catholikes or else hee fathereth that vpon them which neuer came within compasse of their thoughts Who moreouer ioyntly teach and professe that the authoritie of binding and loosing and feeding Christ his Sheepe was by our Sauiour giuen as well to the rest of the Disciples as vnto Peter that they all receiued the Keyes as well as Peter what was said to Peter was said to all the promise to Peter was common to all they are the expresse words of these Fathers So that as yet neither our English Catholike nor the Cardinals Chaplaine haue said any thing to prooue that the authoritie of binding loosing and feeding Christ his Sheepe belongeth more to Saint Peter and his Successors then to the other Apostles and their Successors or that the Deposing of princes is a point of Doctrine belonging to the Popes supremacie more then to the Supremacie of other Patriarkes and much lesse that it is a matter of Catholike that is Apostolike or Christian Religion for Subiects in any case at his command to beare armes against their Soueraigne or to attempt any thing against his state and person By this which hath beene deliuered I hope it is manifest not only how repugnant the voice of that Antichrist of Rome is to the voice of christ his Apostles in the dutifull obedience of Subiects towards their Soueraigne but also how pernicious Popish Doctrine is to States and Kingdomes deposing Princes from their Throanes and arming their Subiects against them And therefore howsoeuer the English Catholike in his Letter auerreth Psal 31. that libertie of Conscience hee meaneth in Popish Religion ought to bee as free in this Kingdome as breathing and the vse of the aire is common to all yet the wisdome of our Solomon dooth see that as one Temple could not containe Gods Ark and Dagon 1. Sam. 5.3.4 2. Cor. 6.14.15 as light hath no communion with darkenes Christ no concord with Belial so neither can the puritie of the Gospell haue any agreement with Popish Superstition Our Sauiour himselfe hath deliuered his iudgement in this case Mat. 12.25 Euerie kingdome deuided against it self shall bee brought to naught and euerie Cittie or house deuided against it self shall not stand And what greater diuision then this can be thought in a state kingdom then where Potētate is opposed to Potentate the Pope against the king Subiect against Subiect Seruant against Seruant both walking diuers waies after diuers Masters Such diuisions of hearts affections cannot but prooue deadly in the end to the body wherein they shall bee found bee it ciuill or Ecclesiastical Church or Common-wealth From hence proceed wrath enuyings seditions contentions Dion Cass murthers as Mecaenas long since tolde Augustus the Emperor You may take it from a latter writer whose testimonie is beyond all exception as beeing an enemie and therefore likely to aduise vs no more for our good then what the force of truth wresteth from him It is Weston the Diuinitie professor in the English Colledge at Dowaie lib. 3. de triplici hominis Officio ca. 14. If saith he the people conceiue an opinion of their King to bee an enemie to their Religion or to contemne it what is there that they will not attempt against his life to the effusion of his blood iubente religione impellēte cos de super numine vti omnino apud se animis firmabunt Religion commanding them and the God whom they worship forcing them therunto as they are perswaded in their consciences Could hee more liuely haue described our Iesuited Romanists Whose Religion is rebellion and murthering of Princes especially whē their Lord God the Pope Glos in cap. Cum inter Extrauag Ioā 22 dominus Deus noster Papa yee know whose saying it is shall encourage and exhort them thereunto And againe in the conclusion of the Chapter Whosoeuer saith hee shall consider the infinite hatred which from time to time hath passed betweene Heretikes and Catholikes shall easily perceiue that it cannot stand with ciuill Policie that sectaries of such contrarie opinions in Religion should bee fitly conioyned in the same ciuill societie and that the safetie of the Prince cannot suffer such promiscuous conuenticles and confused manners of worship in Religion Our English Catholike acknowledgeth as much in his Letter adding further that besides internall dangers Pag. 124. which saith he are euer consequent vpon such inward diuisions of
not only good Princes but had also and that not only of feare and flatterie but of conscience as the Apostle teacheth Propter conscientiam for conscience sake Why then ioine we not as in tongue so in hand and heart also and admit the triall of our obedience by the touch-stone of true fidelitie in taking the Oath of Allegeance Pa. 14.15.16 50. Because saith our English Catholike besides the exaction of naturall obedience which is lawfull the Oath containeth diuers other points also concerning matters of Catholike Religion which are vnlawfull For whereas the Oath is diuided into 14. seuerall parts 12. of them at the least as hee auoucheth touch the Popes supremacie one way or other As where it is said in the Oath that the Pope hath no authoritie to depose our King 2. to dispose of his Kingdomes 3. to authorize any forraine Prince to inuade or anoy him or his Countries 4. or to discharge his subiects of their Allegeance 5. to giue licence to any of them to beare armes against him 6. or to offer violence to his person or gouernment or Subiects The assertion of all which points and other such like specified in the Oath are saith he matters of Catholike Religion But who seeth not whose eies God hath opened to behold the light of his Gospell that this Religion falsly termed Catholike vtterly peruerteth the lawfull subiection of people to their Souereignes and that Hell is not more opposite to Heauen then the bearing of armes by the subiect against his Prince raising tumults in his dominions offering violence to his person state or gouernment is contrarie to his allegeance and fidelitie Christ saith S. Chrysostome in his Commentaries vpon the 13. to the Romanes made nor Lawes to ouerthrow the state of common-weales but that he might the better order and establish them but to depose Kings to dispose of their dominions to take the Crowne from one and giue it to another as men tosse a tenice ball in the Court from Henrie to Rodulph and so along to assoile subiects of their fidelitie these and such like which are after the decrees of latter Popes ouerthrow the very foundations of Kingdomes and Common-weales which transcendent authoritie whil'st they assume vnto themselues by vertue of the Churches censure they goe farre beyond the bounds and limits of their commission For excommunication being a punishment meerely spirituall depriueth a man onely of such spirituall comforts as otherwise he should receiue at the hands of the Church but no way impeacheth his estate in his goods and possessions De Iure iusti li. 1. c. 6. Conclus 2. as their owne Soto teacheth And much lesse hath it any force to depose Princes from their thrones to absolue subiects from their obedience to warrant them to rebell to say violent-hands vpon their Souereignes or any way to conspire or worke their death Wherefore let this bee the obedience of such Popish Recusants as refuse to professe their fidelitie by taking the Oath Bulla Pij 5. Gregorij 13. outwardly to make a shew of it ad redimendam vexationem to keepe themselues from troubles and mulcts yet with these circumstances 1. Rebus sic stantibus the State standing so firme as God haue the glorie and praise for it it doth such an vnion and consent in Prince Peeres and all good Subiects as need not dread the face of all their enemies and 2. Donec publica Bullae executio fieri possit that is vntill they haue got strength enough to make head against their Souereigne and then downe with him by open hostilitie or secret conspiracie it maketh no matter which so they haue their watch-word from Rome by the Popes excommunication and deposing of him But for vs beloued which haue otherwise learned Christ let these seeds of disloyaltie and treason bee farre from our hearts Let vs giue to our Caesar his feare his honour his seruice his protection by our bodies goods and liues which are his were he as wicked as was euer Nero how much more being so good and gratious so zealous of Gods honour and of his subiects good Neque enim pietatem subuertic ista subiectio this subiection saith S. Chrysostome subuerteth not pietie nay it confirmeth it more Neither is this spirituall but ciuill obedience due to the Prince ordained by God not depending vpon the Pope who exalteth his owne selfe Were he placed in his due ranke Siue Apostolus saith S. Chrysostome were he an Apostle that is as good as S. Peter himself or were he an Euangelist or were he a Prophet he were but a Subiect or if all this serue not the next words immediately ensuing will order him Siue quis quis fuerit or be he what he will be or may be saith S. Chrysostome if he consist of a soule and body Rom. 13.1 he must be subiect to the higher Poxers that is to the King or to the Emperour Gods viue images vpon earth and acknowledge them for his Lords Epist 32. as Pope Gregorie the great did Mauritius the Emperor Or if these bee matters which concerne Religion and such as touch the Popes Supremacie spirituall why doth not our English Catholike bring foorth his proofes especially hauing made promise so to doe in the fore-front of his Pamphlet But open it and peruse it from the first page to the last you shall finde nothing therein but his owne assertion the Popes supposition or at the most Pa. 13. 14. 15. 50. 62. 74. 85. his determination the authoritie of Cardinall Bellarmine and the chiefest learned men of their Church as he tearmeth them that is Herod and Pilate the high Priests and Elders the Scribes and Phariseis with the nation of the Iewes conspiring against our Sauiour and seeking false witnesses against him but finding none For no better with vs is the credit of the Pope and his Consistorie his College of Cardinals and the whole swarmes of his Priests and Friars in matters concerning their owne authoritie contrary to the expresse words of holy Scripture Yea Pa. 14.19.85 but if the Pope haue not this authoritie to proceed against Princes by dethroning and deposing of them for their restraint and amendment Gods prouidence should be defectuous saith our English Catholike for the preseruation of his Church I answer Nothing lesse For if S. Peter and his successors were able to gouerne the Church in the middest of al the stormes of persecutions vnder the Pagan Emperors who laboured by all cruell meanes to root out the very name of Christianitie without the vse of any such authoritie how much more easie must it bee for them who claime succession from S. Peter to gouerne the ship of the Church when by the commandement of our Sauiour the windes are ceased and the stormes are laied Vnlesse wee shall say that the Church had not her due gouernment but was tossed vp and downe with euery waue and puffe of winde for the space of 1000. yeeres and