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A10699	A Catholicke conference betvveene Syr Tady Mac. Mareall a popish priest of VVaterforde, and Patricke Plaine a young student in Trinity Colledge by Dublin in Ireland VVherein is deliuered the certayne maner of execution that was vsed vpon a popish bishop, and a popish priest, that for seueral matters of treason were executed at Dublin the first of February, now last past. 16ll. Strange to be related, credible to be beleeued, and pleasant to bee perused. By Barnabe Rych, Gent. seruant to the Kinges most excellent Maiestie.	Rich, Barnabe, 1540?-1617.	1612 (1612)	STC 20981; ESTC S115901	41,203	61

the country that was neare about it why then the Chayre of Moses which Christ here spake of was nothing else but the doctrine of Moses which hee hadde formerly taught and left vnto them and which Christ in this place willed his Disciples to heare and likewise to followe what the Scribes and Pharises sayd and taught but not to doe as they did to followe their sayinges but not their doinges euen so likewise Peters Seate Peters Keyes and Peters doctrine are all one and the selfe same thing but this doctrine of the preaching of the Gospell your Pope hath abolished at Rome and in the place thereof hee hath set vp the preaching of his owne lawes of his owne decrees and of his owne traditions and therefore he sitteth not on the seat of Peter but in the Seate of Antichrist in the Chayre of pestilence and for Peters comming to Rome it can doe your Pope no good at all he may well bragge a little of the matter but it will not serue his turne Ta. Thus you would conclude that Saint Peters seate consisted in nothing more then in the preaching of the Gospell And by this you woulde depriue him not onely of his Patrimony but also of his Dignity Saint Peter is little beholding to Protestants for of him that was called the Prince of the Apostles they would make him to be but Minimus Apostolorum but if to preach the Gospell be to sit in Peters Seate was it not Peter to whom Christ especially recommended the feeding of his flocke And what is meant by the feeding of the sheepe but the preaching of the word and ministring of the sacraments which as it was commended to Peter especially so it remaineth a precept for euer to the Popes that are his successors And was it not to Peter againe to whom Christ sayd I haue prayd for thee Peter that thy faith might not fayle what malitious impietie then in Protestantes to spurne against that Principality that Christ himselfe hath confirmed not onely to Peter himselfe but to the rest that bee his successors in the holy sea of Rome Pa. First for this prioritie that papistes would so faine ascribe to Peter aboue the rest of the Apostles I say our Sauiour Christ hath long sithens determined when in the 10. of Saint Markes Gospell hee told them that there shoulde bee no precedencie amongst them nor the one to bee accounted more worthy then the other and therefore flatly decreed betweene them that hee that would aspire to be greatest the same should be least now for Saint Peter esteeme him as you please choose how you will account him to be either Maximus or Minimus But what blockishnes is in papists to thinke that because Christ commanded Peter to feede his flocke that this precept therefore was giuen but to Peter himselfe as though that commandement to feede the flocke of Christ did not belong as farre foorth to all the Apostles as it did to Peter I will tell you Syr Tady there is not so simple a minister in the Church of God that hath cure of soules but according to his measure is as straightly tyed to the feeding of Christes flocke as euer was any Pope of Rome or as Peter or as Paul or as any other of the twelue Apostles And now for your Popes that you say are successours vnto Peter if wee shoulde looke into the foode what it is they haue distributed and consider of the diligence they haue vsed in performing this precept thus left vnto Peter we should find that in feeding the sheepe they haue poysoned the pasture they haue infected corrupted it with the venemous leauen of their owne lawes and traditions and in stead of giuing foode they haue fleeced the flocke they haue made a shambles of the sheepe haue murthered and massacred the innocent lambes such hauocke your Popes haue kept amongst the Saintes of God and yet they would be accounted to be Peters successors but what a counterfeit Hypocrite is your Pope that vnder a shew of humility will professe himselfe to be Seruus seruorum and yet will take vpon him to controule and dominere ouer Emperours and Kinges and because Christ hath sayd I haue prayd for thee Peter that thy faith shoulde not fayle therefore say the papistes the Pope cannot erre thus they doe wrest and wrythe holy scriptures to serue their fleshly appetites and as for Saint Peters Patrimonie Saint Peters Seate Saint Peters Keyes Saint Peters Power Saint Peters Authoritie yea and Saint Peter himselfe they are all made props and supporters to vphold the Popes pride Ta. Why how now Patricke what art thou out of thy wittes wilt thou impugne saint Peters authority or wilt thou denie that he hath absolute power both to bind and to loose either in heauen or in earth as Christ himselfe hath giuen and warranted vnto him Pa. I denie him nothing but that he had full power and authority by the preaching of the Gospel both to bind to loose to open and to shut and to doe all thinges in as large and ample maner as eyther Iames or Iohn Philip or Bartholomew or any other of the Apostles whom our Sauiour himselfe after his resurrection armed with equall authority when in the 20. of Iohn he sent them into the world to preach to all nations Ta. Thus I perceiue you can be contented that Peter shoulde march with the rest of the Apostles in equall ranke but you will not admit him any supreame authority Pa. If you can alleadge but any one place of scripture that doth giue vnto Peter any more then the rest you shall finde me apt enough to acknowledge it Ta. Is not this confirmation enough when Peter is the rocke whereon Christ himselfe said he would build his Church Pa. I wonder papistes are not ashamed to vrge that place of scripture so grossely Peter acknowledging Christ to be the sonne of God our Sauiour answered Vppon thisrocke I will builde my Church the Pope would haue the rocke to bee Peter himselfe whereon Christ promised to build his Church when indeede it was the faith of Peter confessing Christ to bee the sonne of God for faith is the rocke whereon Christes Church is built for who is of Christes Church but he onely that beleeueth Christ to bee the sonne of God this faith is it against which the gates of Hel cannot preuaile Ta. What malicious despight is this to depriue Saint Peter of his principalitie giue him some preheminence for shame if it be but because he was the first amongst the Apostles that confessed Christ to be the sonne of God Pa. It is truth Peter was the first amongst the Apostles that confessed Christ to be the sonne of God and so he was the first againe that denyed his master neither doe wee seeke to depryue that blessed Apostle of any pryoritie that the word of God doth allowe him but rather to curtall your Idolatrous Pope who by magnifiyng of Peter woulde thereby exalt himselfe Peters

Church of God what meant he by the Church the priests or the people Ta. Perhaps hee ment them both aswell the people as the priestes Pa. Canne you finde in any one text of Scripture where the Church is taken for the priestes without the people Ta. But yet the priestes are onely called Churchmen Pa. Why now you haue answered the matter soundly hereafter when they tell vs that the Church doth consist in the whole congregation of the faithfull we may then answer them that the priestes onely were called churchmen and therefore they must commande Kinges and Princes what they must doe and what religion they must establish Ta. It is very true for who should iudge of religion but the Priest Pa. Why then the priest must iudge of truth but the Prince you say may commande for truth and then we are all this while out of our reckoning for if it bee in the princes power to command for truth they will say that our gratious king commaundeth nothing here in Ireland but what Christ hath already commanded and what is established by the word of God and thus we haue brought our hogges to a faire market Ta. But that princes should haue power to compell mens consciences I say is a thing most vnreasonable Pa. And that euery ignorant and obstinate person shoulde make a conscience of euery popish fantazy is a thing most intollerable Ta. Doe you terme it to bee fantasticall that our progenitors haue professed and that we our selues were baptized in Pa. This is your common inchantment wherewith you bewitch a number of seely soules bearing them beleeue that in bap tisme they haue vowed themselues to your Romish religion but in whose name were you baptized was itin the popes or in Peters or in Paules if in no other then in the nameof Christ alone then are you made the sonnes of God and not the slaues and vassels of Rome and as in baptisme you receiued no mans marke but his so you stand bound to regard no mans voyce but his Ta. Yet I say still that it standes with no reason that a prince may forcibly compell any man against his conscience Pa. But I say still that a Prince may forcibly compell his subiectes from Idolatry and heresie to the sincere seruice of God the scriptures doe furnish vs with sundry presidents tending to that purpose amongst the rest take this one Iosiah was highly commended for making the people of Ierusalem all that were ●ound in Israell to serue the Lorde Ta. Iosiah compelled the people to serue the Lorde according to the truth but doth it therefore follow that euery prince may inforce a religion that is but fitting to his owne will and fancie Pa. It doth therefore followe and by the circumstance of the whole chapter it doth appeare that euery christian Prince throughout his realmes and dominions may roote out heresie Idolatry superstition and hauing againe restablished the true and sincere worship of God may compell and inforce his subiects both to obey and submit themselues vnto it Ta. But the religion which we professe is the true auncient Apostolicke religion first deliuered by Christ himselfe vnto Peter and by Peter himselfe to his successors the Bishops of Rome Pa. Indeede your Pope in his doctrine dooth as rightly succeede Saint Peter at Rome as the Turke doth succeed Saint Iames at Ierusalem and as the Scribes and Pharises did Moses in whose chayre they sate when they crucified the Sonne of God Ta. I hope you make no doubt but that the Pope is Saint Peters successor and that the chayre wheron he now sitteth at Rome was first Saint Peters seate Pa. I vnderstand not what you meane by the Popes chayre by Saint Peters seate whether you meane it by any Throne or Tabernacle or by some other Tribunall or what manner of stoole it should be that you call Saint Peters seate Ta. I beleeue you well for Protestants God knowes are not onely ignorant but they are likewise blind and senfeles in those thinges that doth appertaine to the misteryes of the Catholicke Church but for your better satisfaction and to giue you true weeting of Peters Seate what it is you that are so full of scripture cannot be ignorant where Christ in the 23. of Mathewe tolde his Disciples that the Scribes and Pharises did sit on Moses chayre willed them therefore in respect of their place both to heare and beleeue them being as they were successors vnto Moses then the like of Rome where Peter was sometimes Bishop and where he constantly preached Christ crucified must therefore necessarily be the Seate of Peter and this holy Sea of Rome is it which Peter hath left to his successors and we may as truly say that the Pope doth now sit on Peters Seate as Christ told his Disciples that the Scribes and Pharises did sit on Moses Chayre Pa. There haue beene many papistes that haue taken great paynes to proue that Peter was Bishop of Rome but there was yet neuer any one of them coulde make it so apparant but that wee might deny that by good authority that peter was euer at Rome at all but let it be granted that Peter were at Rome doth it therefore follow that the Sea of Rome must be Peters Seate Peter preached in many places before hee came to Rome if euer hee were there at all as it appeareth in the Actes of the Apostles and by the testimonie of your owne Legende Peter was a long time at Antioche and why should not Antioche or any other place where Peter taught and preached challenge a superioritie as far foorth as Rome Ta. I see I must render you a reason for the matter will it please you now to vnderstand that besides Peters being at Rome Peter likewise dyed at Rome and suffered vnder Nero therfore the place more holy and worthy of authoritie Pa. May it please you now to heare me to render you the like reason our Sauiour Iesus Christ was crucified and dyed at Ierusalem for the sinnes of the worlde and therefore in the worke of our redemption his power is more ●ull and ample at the citie of Ierusalem then it is in any other place where he hadde formerly taught and preached You say Protestants are blinded but if papisteswere not both blind and out of their wits besides they would neuer gather such conclusions whereby to vpholde the pride of their pope that be cause Peter was at Rome therefore the Sea of Rome must be Saint Peters seate but how hangeth this together where Christ in the 23. of Mathew tolde his Disciples that the Scribes and Pharises did sit on Moses Chayre what was ment by Moses chayre in this place it could not be meant by the citie of Ierasalem as the papistes would haue Rome to be the Seate of Peter because as they surmise Peter was at Rome but Moses was neuer at Ierusalem neither in the Synagogue neither in the Temple nor in any part of

name is vsed but to vpholde his pride but if you haue no better proofes then these to confirme Peters greatnesse heare what I can say in the negatiue to proue that Peter was no greater then the rest of the Apostles Ta. I woulde faine see that quoth blind Hewe for that would seeme strange amongst Catholickes Pa. Why then to open the eyes of blind popish Catholikes let them looke first into the Actes of the Apostles Chap. 8. where the Apostles that were at Ierusalem vnderstanding that the Samaritans had receiued the Gospell of Christ by the preaching of Philip they immediately sent both Peter and Iohn for the better confirmation of the Samaritans this argueth that Peter had no such iurisdiction ouer the rest of the Apostles as our papistes doe dreame of for then he could not haue beene sent but Peter and Iohn were sent as other priuate persons to preach and minister to the Samaritans And in the eleuenth of the Actes when Peter hadde beene warned by a vision to goe to Cornelius the rest of the congregation called him to an account and after a sort rebuked Peter for entring the house of an vncircumcised person and Peter was driuen in his owne excuse to recapitulate vnto them the whole maner of the vision how it appeared vnto him and was warranted by the spirit of God by this it doth appeare that Peter had no superioritie aboue the rest but rather argueth an inferiority then any place of principalitie we reade how Paul againe not onely controled Peter about matters of circumcision but also withstoode him to his face in such sort as he that should reade ouer the second to the Galathians would thinke that if there were any superioritie amongst the Apostles it rather belongeth to Paul then to Peter but there was no dominering amongst them nor one greater then another but as I haue sayde beefore they marched all in one equalitie both in power and authoritie True it is that Peter did still shew himselfe to be of a more stirring and liuely spirit then the rest and was more apt and readie both in propounding of questions in answering of demandes which proceeded somtimes of ignorāce as when he demāded of his master whether it might not suffice to forgiue his enemie 7. times thinking that to forgiue eyght had beene too much Sometimes his readinesse in answering was inspired by the spirit of God as when Christ demanded of his Disciples whom they thought him to be Peter immediately made answere I say thou art the sonne of the liuing God sometimes againe ouer much confidence of himselfe made him to be somewhat too forwarde in his protestations as in the 26. of Mathew where Christ expostulating with his Disciples tolde them that this night they shoulde all be offended by him but Peter led partly by zeale and partly by presumption answered If all the world be offeded with thee yet wil not I be offended with thee and yet the very same night he denyed him to a poore maid and in the 16. chap. before when Christ revealed to his Disciples that he must goe vp to Ierusalem there to suffer many things Peter rashly aduised him to shun the place not to goe thether at all By these and other like places it doth appeare that as Peter was of a more quicke and liuely spirite then the rest of the Apostles so he was more foreward then the rest eyther to speake or to do any thing as time and place did serue or as he was fitted by occasion And as the infirmities not onely of Peter but also of many holy men besides are registred in the holy scriptures and left vnto vs for our example so wee doe not cite these places of any spite or malice whereby to impugne Saint Peters Authoritie but rather to make knowne the Popes tyrany that hath a long time iuggled with the scriptures and hath not onely made Saint Peter a couerture to his pompe and pride but also many times abuseth the name of the liuing God himselfe for where hee beginneth with this preamble In the name of God then commonly he contriueth some seruice to the Deuill To winde vpp all therefore I say that if that blessed Apostle Saint Peter would arrogate but halfe so much to himselfe as our grosseheaded papistes will attribute to their Pope hell fire were fitter for him then so great glory in the kingdome of heauen Ta. I wonder how any presumptuous foole in the world dare auouch these blasphemies against the Vicar of Christ Pa. And I wonder as fast in what place of scripture you doe finde that Christ would haue any such Vicar or howe the Pope should come to that title that you speake of to be the Vicar of Christ but I wonder most of all that so many fooles will beleeue him but vpon his owne report hauing neyther scrypture script nor scroule to confirme it Ta. You haue forgotten your selfe Patricke the matter is better warranted then you are aware on how many notable Authors haue extolled the pope so far that they make it Sacriledge to dispute of his factes Heresie to doubt of his power Paganisme to disobey him Blasphemie against the holy Ghost to speake against his decrees and Canons Pa. And presumption not to goe to the Deuill with him for company Ta. You may iest as you list but what I haue deliuered is approoued by seuerall speciall authours as it appeareth testified in their owne workes and writings Pa. And is not Bonifacius a holy Martyr of the Popes owne making as good an authour as any of the rest whose wordes be these If the Pope be found to neglect the saluation of himselfe and his brethren vnprofitable or slacke in his office silent in that which is good hurtfull to himselfe and to all others yea though he lead with him innumerable soules by heapes to the deuill of hell yet let no mortall man find fault with or reproue him for his doings Ta. I will bee with you to the worldes end sayth Christ And therfore what soeuer Bonifacius hath written if the Pope should erre as you haue sayd this promise could not be kept Pa. But to whom was that promise made thinke you was it to the Pope alone or to the whole Church Ta. I thinke the promise was made to all but to the Pope especially that is the head of the Church Pa. Keepe that head still for your Romish Church for the Church of God knoweth no other head but Christ Ta. But our Sauiour hath sayd it is not possible that theelect should be seduced Pa. Not possible they shoulde bee seduced to fall from God but the elect may sinne yet not vnto death so they may erre but not vnto destruction Ta. I say that the promise of our Sauiour that Peters faith should not fayle is enough for mee to conclude that the Pope cannot erre Pa. Then you vnderstand Christes wordes after this sorte I haue prayd for thee Peter that thy faith should not fayle

blindly leade to your Romish captiuitie Ta. Doe you call them captiues that are drawne to our Catholicke Communitie whom we chearily feede and foster vp with the milke of our holy mother Church Pa. The milke that you feede withall is but Boyne Clubbo it is not the sweete milke that is drawne from the Gospell Ta. Doe you disproue that foode that is aswell approued by the Pope as by all the auncient doctors of the Church Pa. They must bee your owne doctors that must helpe you for I am sure the doctors and fathers of the Primitiue Church had little to doe with your religion Ta. And who be those that you terme to be our own doctors Pa. Who should they be but the pillers of your Church Bonauentura Occam Scotus Thomas Aquinas with an infinite number such other like that be of your popish rable Ta. Our religion is not so much propped vp by them as by the holy scriptures Pa. Prooue but that and I will promise you to goe to Masse three times a weeke Ta. Is it not proofe enough that hath beene confirmed by the Pope himselfe many hundred yeares agoe and all those confuted that haue sought to impugne it Pa. Your Pope confureth more by poysons and by treasons then he doth by arguments or by any other authoritie either of words or writings that are drawne from the holy Scriptures Ta. You may make as many cauels as you list but I say the successor of Peter cannot erre and therefore the church is safest when it is ruled by him for whose faith Christ hath prayed that it might not faile Pa. Are we come to that againe I haue already named you a Pope that hath erred and dyed an hereticke and I tell you yet againe that the diuines of Paris openly confuted the conclusiōs and articles of Iohn the 22. and got the same to bee condemned before Philipe King of France with the sound of Trumpets but in whose name will not he craftely set forth his errours which dare falsely set forth himselfe in the place of the Sonne of God And haue not some other of your Popes both corrupted and falsified Counsels Canons and Decrees and all to vpholde their pride Ta. Shew me but where such a pranke hath beene played and I will giue you the Bucklers Pa. Where it was decreed by the Counsell of Chalcedon that Constantinople should be aduanced in ecclesiasticall matters as farre forth as Rome they shamefully forged that Constantinople should not be aduanced so far forth as Rome a horrible corruption of a Counsell turning an affirmatiue to a negatiue Ta. And what can you make of that but Vitiūscriptoris an ouersight in the writer a matter easely ouerslipt Pa. These be your shamelesse shifts when matters bee apparantly proued against you but what haue your Romanistes left vncorrupted no not the holy Scriptures themselues and howe many bookes haue beene forged and foy sted in seuerall mens names some of them calling their owne dreames and fantazyes the Gospell of Thomas of Barthelmew and of Barnabe and what Epistles Canons and Decretalles haue beene published vnder the names of Clemens Cletus and Anacletus and of diuerse others well proued to be but forgeries And how many Monkes and Fryers seeking to coloure their fayned holinesse with the reuerent titles of auncient Fathers pre fixed the names of Augustine Ambrose Hierome Cyprian Isydore and of many others before diuerse of their owne fantasies and forgeries thereby prouiding to strengthen their kingdome of blindnesse and errour the which if by the wisedome of God had not beene playnely approued and manyfestly founde out wee might haue reuerenced a company of lousie Monkes Fryers vnder the names and titles of auncient and learned fathers Ta. Lette them answere for themselues that haue done these thinges and I beleeue if your owne mynisterie were well sifted we might find amongst them some that in their conuersation of life are not answerable to that semblance that they make when they be in the pulpite Pa. Haue you no better shiftes then these whereby to excuse your impieties let the world then iudge of your religion what it is that is thus propped vp with such counterfeit stuffe lyes fables dreames visions vnwritten verities and impossibilities Popery is a religion that can content it selfe with knowing vntruthes without further search to find out the truth Ta. They are but heretickes and schismytickes that will thus reporte our religion is approued by the Pope and who is fitter to decide of truth then hee that is the supreame heade of the Church Pa. And although that supreame authority were alowed which your Pope coulde yet neuer proue yet it will bee sayde that the right directions vnto the truth must bee discerned by the doctrine and not by the dignitie Ta. Then who shall bee iudge of this truth which you speake of Pa. God is truth and who shall be iudge of God Ta. That God is truth it cannot bee denyed but of matters in controuersie who shall be iudge of truth Pa. Who but he that shall iudge all at the last day and in the meane time he onely is the supreame iudge of truth The Father hath committed all iudgement to the Sonne and my iudgement is true saith Christ. Iohn 5. 8. Ta. But if the scriptures bee mistaken or misinterpreted who shall then giue censure but the Pope Pa. This strife sayeth Saint Augustine requireth a Iudge Iudicet ergo Christus Let Christ be Iudge and Optatus writing of the same matter sayeth There can be no Iudgement we must seeke for a Iudge from heauen but why knocke we at heauen when we haue his will here in the Gospell And we are further taught in the Gospell it selfe They haue Moses and the Prophets let them heare them Ta. You are loath I perceiue that the Pope shoulde bee your iudge yet when he speaketh truth I hope you wil vouchsafe him audience Pa. No doubt but so long as he speaketh truth wee will both heare him and beleeue him and so we would do by Balams Asse Ta. Then you will beleeue nothing for truth but what you finde testified by the scriptures Pa. Nothing else but what the scripture doth approue for your Mongrell Monkes and Fryers haue so corrupted and counterfeyted the auncient fathers that wee dare trust nothing but what is concordant and agreeing with the scriptures Ta. But doe you not finde it testified that there were manie things done by Christ that were not written Pa. And yet a very foolish presumption to impugne thinges that are written vppon supposall of those things that are vnwritten and Basyle giueth vs a caueat in the matter It is a manifest fall from faith and a sinne that argueth infinite pride eyther to leaue that which is written or to admit of that which is not written Ta. This common frequent that is had to the scriptures by euery ignorant man hath opened the gap to all kind of diuision of heresies schismes sects and disorders Pa. By