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A89608	The Parliaments proceedings justified, in declining a personall treaty with the King, notwithstanding the advice of the Scotish Commissioners to that purpose. / By Henry Marten Esquire, a Member of the Commons House.	Marten, Henry, 1602-1680.	1648 (1648)	Wing M823; Thomason E425_20*; Thomason E426_2; ESTC R202838	8,630	19

Personal so in this they speak for a personal presence not caring whether there be a Treaty or no so they can bring Him in upon us But weigh their Reason First they quote our own Declarations in such places as themselves do not beleeve the truth of For I would ask them if His absence from the Parliament of England be so pernicious here why is not His absence from the Parliament of Scotland as formidable to that Kingdom Why do they not imploy all this earnestness in procuring to themselves the blessing of His company Then allowing it true against us who affirmed it the consequence thereof will hang thus My groom being drunk and falling asleep with a candle by him hath set my stable on fire and burnt it down to the ground therefore his awaking and coming to himself will set it up again Because Agag by drawing his sword had made many women childeless it seemed to be Sauls opinion That the putting up his sword again would restore the children to their mothers But the ways of God were more equal in that case where by the way you shall observe two remarkable Acts of retaliating justice One of the Kings had his thirst after mans blood quenched with his own and the other for thinking that Laws did not extend to the punishing of Kings was himself punished with being unkinged Argu. 3. In a Personal Treaty the Commissioners of both Kingdoms may give Reasons for the Equity and Expediency of our desires but without a Treaty or giving Reasons for asserting the lawfulness and expediency of the Propositions to be presented they may be esteemed Impositions Answ Here they would make you beleeve that if there were a Treaty they would joyn with your Commissioners in pleading your Cause against the King and all the while they are telling you so do joyn with Him in pleading for a Personal treaty against your Commissioners in Parliament But admit they would be true to their trust and would remember on which side they were first retained What kinde of Reasons be they that enemies use to shew one another in their treaties One party saith such and such things we will have or the war shall go on and the other such and such things you shall accept or do your worst and if there happen any communication besides of it is concerning the advantages or disadvantages standing out the probability or desperateness of relief but our shewing the King how expedient the things we ask him would be for us is a sure way to be denied how expedient for Him as sure a way to be laughed at Our Propositions might indeed be more properly termed of Grace then Peace because we give Him therein the honor of granting what we are able to give our selves without Him Propositions though and not Impositions because we leave it in His power to deprive Himself of that Honor without forcing Him to take His Office up again and yet I beleeve if the chance of War had turned the Dy on his side as it did on ours we should have had Impositions from Him upon Impositions and of another kinde of nature and so should our dear Brethren too in their turn and that for having made themselves our Brethren I mean the generality of the Nation the Negotiators perhaps and Treators of both Kingdoms might have saved their own stakes well enough Argu. 4. The King may have some just desires to move for the Crown and for Himself as that He may have His Revenue and that He may be restored to His Royal Government which may be done with greater honor and satisfaction unto Him by a Treaty then otherwise Answ As for the Kings being restored to the Crown as well officio as beneficio I thought every body had understood that the Propositions being signed on His part that was the onely thing to have been performed on ours In respect whereunto the things we sent might well be esteemed Suppositions and if the greatest Honor and Satisfaction of the conquered must be aymed at by the Conquerors I dare say both these Considerations would better be complied with by submiting wholly to Him then by treating at all with Him Arg. 5. A personal Treaty with the King is the best way to beget a mutuall confidence between him and his Parliament it is the best way to cleer His doubts and to remove all difficulties and it is the absolute best way to give and receive mutual satisfaction Answ Do you mark how they talk still of mutuallity Of equal giving and receiving As if the Parliament and their Prisoner were upon a Level Besides no treaty can indeed be altogether equal betwixt the King and the peoples Parliament for he deals but for himself and perhaps for some of his own Family or Posterity they for two whole Nations Again the matters to be Treated on concern him in the extent or the Retrenchment of his power to do hurt They concern us in our wel being if not in our being Hic pradam petit not salutem And therefore if the Parliament should not make the best use in your behalf of those advantages which God hath put into their hands they were not only indiscreet for themselves but unfaithfull towards you It is true that the enterview of friends doth use to strengthen friendship but the meeting of enemies is a new way to Reconciliation A confidence I confess it would argue though not in him of us for God Almighty not he hath trusted him with us already yet in us of him but such a one as would be less for our credit then a diffidence unless we could see some change wrought in the affections of him or of his party Arg. 6. We cannot expect that his Majesty wil grant in terminis whatsoever Propositions shall be sent unto him nor can every thing in the Propositions be of that Importance as that the not granting of it ought to hinder the peace neither wil the Houses of Parliament give ful power to thir Commissioners to make alterations in the Propositions as they shall see cause upon debate wherefore a personall Treaty with his Majesty in London is the most probable and expedient way to remove or reconcile all differences Answ Wee had Reason to expect without any plenipotentiary authority delegated unto Commissioners as is used in cases of a doubtfull war That the King should have granted in terminis whatsoever Propositions the Parliament thought fit to send him especially being to be made up into Laws whether he consider us as a free people and therefore fit to give our selves the Law or as his victors and therefore fit to give it him If some few things in the Propositions were of less Importance then the rest could any man have Imagined that rather then he would grant them he should hinder his own Inlargement and his Reception into so fine an office The words at London seem to be foisted in by the Printer for they have no more dependance upon

have beene foyled in 7. Argument Arg. 7. Which the Commissioners call a farther Answer to their owne Objection is indeed a seventh Reason newly thought on and borrowed our of the Parliaments Reply to the Kings Message of the 11. of Sept. 42. All this notwithstanding as we never gave your Majesty any just cause of with drawing your self from your great counsell so it hath ever been and shall be far from us to give any impediment to your Return or to neglect any proper means of curing the distempers of the Kingdomes and closing the dangerous breaches betwixt your Majestie and your Parliament according to the great trust which lies upon us and if your Majestie shall now be pleased to come back to your Parliament without your forces we shall be ready to secure your Royall Crown and dignity with our lives and fortunes your presence in this great counsell being the only meanes of any Treaty betwixt your Majesty and them with hope of successe Answer An. All this cannot relate to all that which hath beene done since September 42. he that saith if you shall now be pleased doth not tell you at what time soever you shal be pleased he that offers you fair termes if you come without your forces would be thought to imagin you have forces to come with One while the Reasons of our former Delarat go for nothing because the Kings condition and Ours are quite altered from what they were then another while and that within foure or five lines we must be held to our old refused offers notwithstanding any alteration of affaires 8. Argument 8. Arg. If they were esteemed enemies to the Parliament and the peace of the kingdome who advised the King to withdraw from his Parliament what estimation will the world have of them scil the Parliament who after such a Declaration will not suffer him to returne to his Parliament when he offers to cast himselfe into their armes Answer Ans This whole Island I meane the highest authority therein did justly esteem them enemies to the Parliament and the Peace of the kingdomes that advised the King to withdraw from the Parliament but since he hath followed that advice hath fought against them hath despised all overtures of reconciliation with them the knowing part of the world will esteeme them no lesse enemies that shall for base and sinister ends advise the Parliament to receive him and shall injuriously asperse the Parliament for declining that advice especially considering how falsely it is affirmed that he cast himselfe into Our armes The fact standing thus when Our armes had made his Head-quarters too hot for him he cast himselfe into the Scottish Army and they like men of honour understanding by how they were entertained delivered up into Our hands all the strengths and priosoners among whom he was one that had come to theirs in England 9. Argument Arg. 9. If so kinde an offer shall be refused and the King driven to dispaire it is to be feared these Kingdomes shall be involved into greater difficulties then ever Answer I will admit for once that the King hath yet some good thing to offer and some goodnesse of will to offer it unto the Parliament Do they not deale hardly with Us who will not suffer us to refuse a kindnesse to say no we thank him without beckning him into dispaire and threatning Us with an involution of such difficulties as never were nor as is to be hoped will be And therefore I do hold that as Pharaoh was then most kinde to the Israelites when he slighted all their poore addresses so the Lord was then their compleate deliverer when he shut out all communication with their oppressors by drawing off a Sea betwixt them FINIS