Iudge wee shall conclude the insufficiencie of the Iudge Finally amongst the Doctors who call themselues Catholiques and protest all with one full consent to submit themselues to the judgment of the Church what jarres what contentions are there The Angelicall D S Thomas holds that the Crosse is to be worshiped with a religious worship to this purpose hee brings the authority of the Church and proveth that the image is to bee worshipped with the very same worship which is due to the same thing represented by the Image Bellarmine is not of the same opinion assigning a lower degree of worshippe to the Image then to the thing whereof it is an Image and for strengthening of his opinion hee also alleageth the authority of the Church wherefore then cast they this reproach rather on the sacred word then the Church And whereas in the sixth place they endeavour to prooue that God speaking in the Scripture cannot be judge of our differencies vnder a colour that Hereticks do challenge and attribute to themselues the Scripture by the same reason they conclude also that neither the Church shall bee Iudge for heretiques make vse of the authority of the Church as of a cloake Cite the Fathers the Councels the traditions of the Church But if it bee replyed that this is for shew only and in Sophisticall manner the answer also is easie and at hand to wit they do the like in alleaging the Scripture therefore things stand vpon the very same tearmes were it not that some though they dare not speake yet do thinke that the Scripture indeede favoureth Heretiques which were all one as to imagine that God by his word doth cover as with a cloake the devils lyes which were as impious to thinke as blasphemous to speake CHAP. 8. The verification of the first meanes of Nullity against the 7. and 8. allegation AND concerning that which is demanded in the seauenth place for what serue Councels if Scripture can reconcile vs do not they see they make way to another counterdemaund no lesse vrgent to wit for what serue the Councels if the Church be our Iudge they cannot here replye that the Councels make this Church which is the Iudge that they require for then it may be obiected that the Church is without a judge saue only during the time of a Councell and that once expired or not begunne there shall be no meanes to resolue the doubtes of conscience And who shall call this Councell shall the Emperour and the Kings but their thoughts are otherwise distracted neither do they agree amongst themselues and though they should take the businesse to heart and to that end should agree haue not those of Rome stripped them of their priviledge of calling a Councell as heretofore they haue done Or shall the Pope hee feares too much those assemblies hee knoweth very well what affronts haue been given to his predecessours in them and what hazard they ranne even in the last Councell of Trent notwithstanding all their canvassing and vnderhand dealing and that the holy Ghost was sent thither by post from Rome Furthermore the Councell cannot bee held alwayes neither can every one bee there present to heare it speake viuavoce Amid'st all those difficulties what shall become of doubtes and disputes who shall resolue them who shall determine them in the meane while how shall the conscience by this meanes haue alwaies a Iudge to whom shee may haue recourse to be resolved And now in the Church which tearmeth it selfe Catholique who shall be Iudge in our Controversies shall it bee the Councell of Trent but no Iudge will bee admitted that speakes not viuavoce and henceforth in this respect the Councell of Trent and all other Councels are as dumbe as the Scripture they are cited they are wrested to diverse senses If this question then touching the vse of a Councell to which we shall answere directly hereafter doth force vt to renounce the Iudgment of God speaking in the Scripture it will also force them to renounce the Iudgement of the Church Finally the last allegation touching the vncertainty of humane iudgement when we are to iudge who hath the spirit or whether one hath it himselfe or no amongst so great a number who disagreeing one from another do all notwithstanding equally lay clayme to the gift of the holy spirit If this allegation take place it will also cause that no recourse can bee had to the authority and iudgement of the Church for if it be so that according to the allegation it cannot bee knowne who hath the spirit or who hath it not because of the weakenesse of humaine iudgement and the multitude and discord of pretenders how shall it be known who are those who make the Catholique Church or not Truely every man that cannot assure himselfe that hee hath the spirit which alone inspireth true wisdome ought also to doubt whether he bee not a foole and ignorant when question is made of iudging of such things which belong to the spirit And since it belōgeth not to fooles to iudge who are wise men every one being according to this last allegation bound to doubt that he is a foole as being destitute of the spirit no man by the same reason can iudge which is the assembly of those who are truly wise no man the incertitude of his iudgement considered if this allegation hath place in such a multitude variety and discord of those who vsurpe as propper vnto themselues that title of the Church pretending all that of right it belongs vnto them can make any certaine choyce or cull out those on whom in trueth it is to be conferred CHAP. 9. The verification of the second meanes of nullity against the first allegation IT is then very manyfest that all these allegations are incōpatible with the intent of those who alleaged them but forall this they will darken and weaken the right of the cause against which they are alleaged if wee do not also shew their falsitie and impertinencie which is the second meanes of nullity that wee haue opposed against them To beginne then with the first it is an infinite wrong that the written word of the liuing God is called a dead and dumbe letter that God speaking in this fashion should bee accounted not to speake at all vnder colour that hee vses not a voyce the which cannot be admitted in the diuine nature which is not necessary amongst men but for to carry and conveigh by the eare to the heart the conceptions of the minde and together with them the knowledge of those things whereof they are the image which beeing done by another meanes as by writing the liuely voyce is no word necessary Hee therefore spake very wittily who first called bookes dumbe maisters at once indeavouring to expresse what they were in regard of the sound and what in regard of the vertue and efficacie of expressing and teaching to wit dumbe if wee respect the sound but eloquent and
convince or satisfie the heart and conscience such was the practise of the Apostolicall Church The Fathers haue so carried themselues towards Heretiques yea S Austustine himselfe speaking of the Manicheans is of this opinion And if any of the Ancients haue vsed perscription in any such case it hath beene in matters that were not properly of the essence of faith or if the doctrine was quaestioned then haue they to do with them who grounded not themselues especially vpon the Scripture but wrested according as they listed some certaine peeces of it forcing them to their purpose and as it were by torture making them to confesse what they never knew And therefore the same Fathers called theÌ„ Sucifugas Scripturarum men who shunne the light of the Scripture yea in those times prescription became them well It was impossible that then there should bee such a declining and falling from the trueth The mystery of iniquity which had already begunne to be conceiued in the times of the Apostles was yet in the cradle Our condition at this day is otherwise who are come vnto the last times who reckon a thousand and soe many hundred yeares since the flourishing and happy times of the Apostles During which so long space of time this mystery should in probability be well growne Wee see the most flourishing Churches in times past planted by the Apostles now brought into desolation and we cannot now call to witnesse the memory of men CHAP. 4. Wherein are proposed the allegations against the sufficiencie of the Iudge to whom those who desire a reformatioÌ„ do appeale BVT for all this they call in doubt the sufficiencie of the Iudge before whom the accusers commence their suite to wit God speaking in the Scriptures or by the Scriptures 1 They doubt whether hee can be Iudge considered after that manner because say they every Iudge ought to speake now God speaking in the Scripture is as though hee did not speake at all the Scripture having neede it selfe to bee propounded and applyed by some other 2 And besides the words of a Iudge ought to be cleare intelligible this writteÌ„ word is obscure as much as may be 3 Thirdly the Scripture is ambiguous and subject to divers interpretations whereas the decrees of a Iudge ought to be certaine and positiue 4 Fourthly the Scripture is defectiue and imperfect and therefore cannot be extended nor applied to the decision of our controversies 5 Fiftly the resolution of a Iudge ought to make them agree who referre themselues to him whereas it is seene what discord there is even amongst those who would end these variances by the Scriptures 6 Sixtly the Heretiques themselues make vse of the Scriptures whereas the sentence of the Iudge cannot advantage the party condemned by him 7 Seaventhly if God speaking in or by the Scripture were the Iudge to what end then serue the Councels 8 Finally if we had no other determination then that of the Scriptures we must needes alwaies liue in vncertainty for the weaknesse and deceitfulnesse of mans vnderstanding considered who amongst so great a multitude in such a discord of those who take vpon theÌ„ to haue the gift of the holy Ghost could know and discerne who hath it Who amidst such a nuÌ„ber of those who think they haue it are deceiued in their opinion can assure himselfe that hee hath it what then do they refuse to be Iudged by no meanes in apperance but they would haue the Church to be judge the truth is that when that comes to the vpshot wee find that this Church is themselues who would bee both iudges and parties as shall be more plainely showne hereafter CHAP. 5. The proposall of the meanes of nullity against the foresaid allegations and the verifying of the first meanes against the first and second allegation NOW let vs consider their arguments alleadged against the sufficiencie of the judge before whom they are summoned which if they are not 1 Contrary to their owne designe 2. to the truth 3. If they do not tend to the subversion of Christian Religion the accusers refuse not to accept of them But if they be found incompatible 1. with the cause for the defence of which they are alleaged 2. with the truth 3. with the authority of Christian Religion No body will condemne the accusers of false dealing if they keepe themselues to their first citation and appeale But we are confident that all these meanes of nullity may easily be verified and that wee may proceede in order let vs beginne with the first and let vs consider all these reasons one after another if they do not oppose that cause in favour of which they are produced 1 And as for the first if God speaking in the Scriptures or by the Scriptures is as if hee speake not at all vnder a colour that the Scripture is dombe and giuing no sound ought wee not vpon the same reason to say that the Fathers speaking in their writings the Church speaking in the CanoÌ„s of the Councells the Pope in his decrees and decretalls in his breefes and in his bulls and indulgences it were all one as if the Fathers Church and Pope speake not at all And ought not the writings of the Fathers the Canons of the Councels the decrees and decretals the briefes bulls and indulgences bee propounded and applyed nay and that by such who are not qualified for iudges to wit the particular or Ecclesiastical persons who may erre as not hauing the promise of infallibility Every one a part as they are in their pulpitt's in their states or lesse solemne exhortations proposing the traditions of the Fathers the CanoÌ„s of the Councels the decrees constitutions of the Popes their breefes bulls and indulgences This first reason then drawne from the nature of the Scripture that it is dumbe that it hath neede to be propounded and applyed cannot be admitted vnlesse they will vpon the same grounds annihilate the authority of the Fathers Councels Popes in whose words the very pretended defects are to be found as plainly â—ppeareth 2 And for the secoÌ„d allegation touching the obscurity of the Scripture it caÌ„not be maintained but it must be withal averred that all the proofes drawne from this word are likewise obscure and consequently that the Romish Religion cannot be gathered from the Scripture but by guesses and coniectures So that all the proofes drawn from this Scripture to maintaine the Doctrine of the Romish Church shall be meere coniectures and guesses And are they not to blame then vpon this reckoning not to bind those that accuse the Romish Church of reuolt to keepe themselues to the iudge before whom they haue made their appeale seing hee speakes so obscurely on the accusers side that hee will never iustifie his accusation neyther condemne the party accused who being in possession whereas the accuser is the plaintife if the evidences by which hee pretends to verifie his accusation be obscure and
it oblige vs to judge better of a multitude what then the Lord shall not hee keepe his promise and shall not hee bee justified when hee speakes nay let every man be declared a lyer that the Lord may be acknowledged faithfull and true for hee hath promised not to a multitude only but also to two or three the assistance of his spirit in their consultations to wit if they be gathered together in his name if they seeke him in trueth But who canne discerne who are they if not by the holinesse of their constitutions which if it be not found in them wee are not bound to beleeue that they were assembled in the name of Christ nor consequently that they haue beene made pertakers of the benefit of such an excellent promise Saint Augustine well knew this truth when hee affirmed that the Councells even those which are generall may be corrected and reformed To what good then serue the Councels truly oftentimes they are so farre from beeing good that they are pernicious for if the number of those which are good bee the lesse without doubt the multitude will carry it and it will bee as the Councell of the foure hundred Prophets and one holden in the presence of Iehosaphat and Ahab where the 400 evill prophets crushed the one good and carried it notwithstanding all the resistance he could make For which cause the Religious wisdome of holy Athanasius cannot sufficiently be praised opposing himselfe against them who required Synodes vnder pretence of reforming the faith in alleadging vnto them that wee haue the Scripture more proper for this purpose then any other meanes whatsoeuer yea that because hee doubted least the multitude of the worser part might sway the ballance In the time of Gregorie Nazianzen things were come to such a height of corruption that being summoned by Procopius in the Emperours name to come to a Synode hee excused himselfe saying that hee never saw any good issue of a synode But when a Councell may bee held composed of men well red in the Scripture zealous of the glory of God louers of the peace of the Church there is no doubt but such an assembly may bring forth much good because it might cleare that which is difficult not by it's owne authority but by it's sufficiencie Even as when a window is opened by a strong dextrous hand which was shut vp before the more weake and vnable who could not open it do see the sun perceiue the opening not because of any authority of him that opened it but by reason of his strength dexterity manifesting it selfe by a visible and sensible effect But such Councels we may rather wish then looke for The deluge of vices which hath overflowed Christendome having drawne vpon vs this horrible judgement Such was that first Councell of Nice that tooke the Scripture onely for the rule and square of it's judgement and refused not to submit it selfe to the touchstone and triall as S◠Athanasius witnesseth proposing to other Councels or rather conventicles the example of this Councels modesty to make them blush with shame and confound their pride And indeed it was a remarkable thing that the Fathers protested that they would not vse the authority of the Councell of Nice against the Arrians but of the scripture vpon which the Councell of Nice is founded what shall wee then conclude but that wee ought to approue of the good Councells receiue their ordinances with reverence not because they could not erre but if so they haue not erred and argue in this manner against Heretickes when matter of right is called in question The Councell hath so concluded according to the Scripture therefore it is true and not after this manner The Councell hath so concluded therefore it is so But in matter of fact and touching history to judge what is that which is vniversally beleeued and receiued and by the greater part wee may wel conclude from the determination of an Oecumenicall Councell that it is beleeued and receiued generally And therefore the Councells also are good for this purpose to stoppe the mouth of Hereticks who might pretend the consent of the Church and by such a protestation giue some scandall to the weaker which by this meanes may easily be taken away Truly if the Councels had thought that their consultatiōs should be approued because of their authority simply not much more rather for the truth of them and their conformity with the Scriptures they had never inserted in their acts the places of Scripture the reasons on which they grounded themselues they had never framed vs a man may say a verball processe of all that had passed but they would haue contented themselues to haue inserted the Canons only without any further declaration but not proceeding after this manner they would giue vs a reason of their deliberation and recommend themselues famous not by the vsurpation of a soveraigne authority but by a declaration and exposition of the trueth that so our faith might not bee grounded vpon humane authority but vpon that of the living God And truly to what end is the ceremony of laying the bible vpon the table in a Councell is it not to declare that it's authority is ruled by a Law and as a Iudge in a politicke estate who hath the Princes Law for his rule ought to judge according to that law and is accountable for his judgement so are the Councels to determine according to the Scripture and are bound to make apparant vnto the conscience as much as lyes in them that they haue judged according vnto it but some may say Councels at lest are subordinate Iudges Bee it so but wee seeke a Soveraigne Iudge a Iudge from whom it is not lawfull to appeale an infallible Iudge This authority this priviledge cannot bee giuen to Councels Wee seeke a Iudge that is alwaies on bench giving audience a Iudge to whom wee may at all times haue recourse and such Councels cannot bee CHAP. 15. The verifying of the second meanes of Nullity against the eight allegation by declaring the impertinasy thereof THe last point remaineth to be cleared to wit whether the vncertainty of humane iudgement canne cause that God speaking in the Scripture should not bee fit to be our Iudge since a man cannot know neither who hath nor whether he himselfe hath the holy spirit or not And here first of all could wee answere that touching the matter in hand the question is not whether wee canne know immediately or as the Schoole speaketh à priori who hath the holy Ghost but onely who speaketh according to the Scriptures which being resolued by conferring the Scriptures with that which is proposed wee may easily conclude if passion and malice darken not the vnderstanding who proposeth the words of the holy Ghost and by this meanes discerne à posteriori as they say who hath the spirit seeing that in regard of Pastors and Doctors none preach the word of the spirit but