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that_o this_o body_n father_n be_v make_v of_o bread_n and_o by_o that_o the_o substance_n of_o breat_a and_o wyne_fw-mi be_v change_v and_o other_o like_a speech_n as_o may_v be_v see_v in_o s._n ambrose_n 4._o de_fw-fr sacram._n cap._n 5._o &_o lib._n 6._o cap._n 1._o lib._n the_o mist_n init_fw-la cap._n 9_o cypr._n serm._n de_fw-fr coena_fw-la chrysost._n hom_n 83._o in_o matth._n &_o the_o proditione_n judae_fw-la cyrill_n catec_fw-la 4._o mystag_n nissenus_n orat_fw-la catech._n 37._o and_o other_o 18._o second_o it_o be_v a_o ordinary_a speech_n of_o the_o father_n father_n to_o cry_v out_o &_o admire_v the_o miracle_n that_o happen_v by_o the_o conversion_n in_o this_o sacrament_n ascribinge_v the_o same_o to_o the_o supreme_a omnipotencv_n of_o almighty_a god_n as_o you_o may_v see_v in_o s._n chrysostome_n l._n 3._o de_fw-la sacerdotio_fw-la o_fw-la miraculum_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n ambrose_n lib._n 4._o de_fw-fr sacram._n cap._n 4._o justinus_n martyr_n apolog._n 2._o say_v that_o by_o the_o same_o omnipotency_n of_o god_n whereby_o the_o word_n be_v make_v flesh_n the_o flesh_n of_o the_o word_n be_v make_v to_o be_v in_o the_o eucharist_n which_o agree_v not_o to_o a_o caluinian_a communion_n 19_o three_o some_o of_o they_o do_v extol_v and_o magnify_v reason_n the_o exceed_a love_n &_o charity_n of_o christ_n towards_o we_o above_o all_o other_o humane_a love_n in_o that_o he_o feed_v we_o with_o his_o own_o flesh_n which_o no_o shepherd_n do_v ever_o their_o sheep_n or_o mother_n their_o child_n which_o be_v the_o frequent_a speech_n of_o s._n chrysostome_n hom_n 83._o in_o matth._n &_o 45._o in_o joan._n &_o hom_n 24._o in_o ep_n 1._o ad_fw-la cor._n 2._o &_o homil_n 60._o &_o 61._o ad_fw-la pop._n antioch_n and_o to_o the_o same_o effect_n s._n augustine_n ep_v 120._o cap._n 27._o &_o in_o psal._n 33._o which_o speech_n can_v no_o way_n agree_v to_o the_o protestant_n supper_n 20._o four_o diverse_a of_o the_o say_a father_n do_v reason_n express_o 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cyprian_n lib._n 1._o ep_v 9_o euseb._n lib._n 1._o demonstr_n euang._n cap._n 6._o athan._n in_o vita_fw-la anton._n nazianz._n orat_fw-la in_o gorgon_n nissen_n lib._n de_fw-fr baptisimo_fw-la chrysost._n hom_n 53._o ad_fw-la pop._n antioch_n &_o hom_n 20._o in_o 2._o cor._n hieron_n lib._n count_n vigilant_a &_o dial_n count_n lucifer_n aug._n lib._n 8._o cap._n ult._n and_o other_o 52._o the_o sixth_o consideration_n out_o of_o the_o father_n 6._o may_v be_v their_o lyturgye_n or_o form_n of_o divine_a service_n or_o mass_n for_o offer_v of_o this_o sacrifice_n in_o those_o day_n of_o which_o sort_n of_o liturgye_n there_o be_v extant_a unto_o this_o day_n diverse_a as_o that_o of_o s._n james_n the_o apostle_n s._n clement_n scholar_n and_o successor_n of_o s._n peter_n of_o s._n basill_n s._n chrysostome_n s._n ambrose_n which_o albeit_o in_o all_o particular_a form_n of_o prayer_n do_v not_o agree_v with_o our_o form_n and_o canon_n of_o mass_n at_o this_o
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