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that_o sword_n which_o they_o 〈◊〉_d to_o be_v their_o 〈◊〉_d to_o wit_n the_o anncient_a father_n 〈◊〉_d may_v 〈…〉_o those_o rail_a heresy_n that_o revile_v the_o 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o â—â—â—â—ving_a god_n for_o although_o your_o rule_n be_v not_o 〈◊〉_d of_o it_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d whereupon_o to_o ground_v our_o 〈…〉_o of_o 〈◊〉_d yet_o it_o will_v be_v 〈◊〉_d to_o show_v that_o you_o be_v but_o 〈…〉_o tradition_n real_a 〈◊〉_d prayer_n 〈◊〉_d â—â—cam_fw-la â—_o 〈◊〉_d â—â—â—rosoâ—_n 〈◊〉_d heâ—_n 4._o ne_fw-fr mihi_fw-la ca_fw-mi â—â—bi_fw-la proferenâ—â—_n simpliciter_fw-la sidem_fw-la adhibeâ—â—_n nisi_fw-la de_fw-fr diviâ—â—â—_n scripture_n eorum_fw-la quae_fw-la â—â—cam_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d yoâ—â—_n roman_n â—â—nce_n to_o be_v allow_v by_o the_o 〈◊〉_d father_n and_o the_o most_o learned_a answerer_n will_v never_o oppose_v the_o general_a 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o anncient_a father_n in_o point_n of_o faith_n which_o they_o have_v general_o receive_v out_o of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n but_o the_o jesuite_n may_v 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〈◊〉_d unto_o it_o neither_o will_v we_o â—ver_v 〈◊〉_d to_o any_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d our_o assurance_n this_o may_v 〈◊〉_d that_o unless_o 〈…〉_o something_o which_o 〈…〉_o we_o can_v not_o 〈◊〉_d we_o do_v 〈◊〉_d 〈…〉_o scripture_n iâ—_n a_o 〈◊〉_d and_o holy_a rule_n of_o 〈◊〉_d this_o place_n of_o the_o learned_a hooker_n presuppose_v but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o that_o historical_a and_o what_o 〈◊〉_d this_o against_o the_o 〈◊〉_d their_o 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o church_n or_o be_v a_o 〈◊〉_d umpire_n and_o sufficient_a 〈◊〉_d to_o square_v our_o â—aith_n and_o action_n by_o for_o who_o know_v not_o that_o the_o heaven_n cover_v all_o thing_n and_o yet_o cover_v not_o themselves_o and_o what_o may_v hinder_v the_o scripture_n in_o like_a 〈◊〉_d to_o teach_v all_o 〈◊〉_d doctrine_n of_o faith_n and_o manner_n and_o yet_o not_o to_o point_v out_o themselves_o s._n augustine_n word_n be_v in_o every_o papist_n mouth_n viz._n that_o he_o will_v not_o beleâ—ve_v the_o scripture_n unless_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n have_v move_v he_o thereunto_o and_o yet_o he_o 〈◊〉_d all_o thing_n 〈◊〉_d â—aith_n and_o 〈◊〉_d to_o be_v 〈…〉_o in_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d â—â—cam_fw-la but_o this_o necessary_a point_n of_o â—aith_n be_v a_o 〈◊〉_d oâ—_n 〈…〉_o in_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d second_o the_o jesuite_n abuse_v his_o 〈◊〉_d for_o the_o church_n testimony_n hare_o and_o alone_o begot_v but_o opinion_n in_o hooker_n judgement_n for_o say_v â—o_o the_o more_o we_o bâ—stow_v 〈…〉_o read_n and_o learn_v the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o more_o we_o 〈…〉_o thing_n it_o 〈◊〉_d â—â—th_v answer_v 〈◊〉_d receive_v 〈…〉_o that_o the_o 〈…〉_o with_o â—â—_o before_o 〈◊〉_d â—â—w_o much_o more_o 〈◊〉_d when_o the_o very_a thing_n 〈◊〉_d minister_v further_a 〈◊〉_d and_o therefore_o hooker_n word_v make_v â—â—thing_v against_o the_o 〈…〉_o for_o 〈…〉_o the_o 〈◊〉_d of_o god_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o 〈◊〉_d the_o way_n by_o 〈…〉_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o convince_v to_o believe_v the_o scripture_n to_o be_v the_o word_n of_o â—_o â—_o lib._n â—_o 〈◊〉_d â—_o god_n 〈…〉_o and_o thus_o god_n 〈…〉_o give_v witness_n to_o his_o word_n do_v not_o take_v 〈…〉_o sâ—â—â—â—ciency_n to_o declare_v who_o word_n they_o be_v and_o from_o what_o 〈◊〉_d they_o 〈◊〉_d any_o more_o than_o it_o do_v the_o sufficiency_n of_o their_o rule_n which_o consist_v of_o scripture_n and_o tradition_n also_o whereby_o the_o 〈◊〉_d may_v see_v he_o have_v produce_v this_o worthy_a author_n to_o no_o advantage_n â—â—_o be_v plain_a that_o although_o there_o be_v something_o else_o to_o prepare_v the_o way_n objecâ—â—â—_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d sid_n form_n dispâ—_n 3._o sect_n 12._o n._n â—â—â—_o admitti_fw-la potest_fw-la ex_fw-la humâ—na_fw-la authoritate_fw-la geâ—â—rari_fw-la quandam_fw-la fidem_fw-la humanam_fw-la praeviaâ—â—_n ad_fw-la fidem_fw-la 〈◊〉_d non_fw-la â—â—â—quam_fw-la 〈…〉_o well_fw-mi rationem_fw-la 〈◊〉_d ejus_fw-la 〈◊〉_d tanquam_fw-la â—â—â—ditionem_fw-la &_o applicative_o objecâ—â—â—_n yet_o the_o mind_n be_v altogether_o 〈◊〉_d by_o the_o â—â—ght_n oâ—_n the_o scripture_n themselves_o the_o church_n point_v 〈◊〉_d ouâ—_n and_o they_o themselves_o 〈◊〉_d the_o church_n 〈◊〉_d so_o that_o the_o scripture_n remain_v the_o only_a 〈◊〉_d upon_o which_o a_o man_n 〈◊〉_d his_o faith_n for_o any_o thing_n the_o jesuite_n have_v pickâ—â—_n out_o of_o this_o learned_a divine_a â—_o â—_o d._n field_n 〈◊〉_d his_o appendix_n to_o the_o book_n of_o the_o 〈◊〉_d par_fw-fr 2._o §._o â—_o 〈…〉_o will_v 〈◊〉_d and_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d all_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d â—â—_o any_o way_n 〈…〉_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d where_o 〈…〉_o i_o have_v in_o my_o epistle_n 〈◊〉_d that_o all_o mâ—â—_n 〈◊〉_d careful_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o be_v the_o true_a 〈◊〉_d that_o so_o they_o may_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d follow_v her_o direction_n and_o rest_n in_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d charge_v â—â—_o that_o â—â—_o my_o four_o 〈◊〉_d follow_v i_o 〈◊〉_d she_o of_o almost_o all_o such_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d aâ—_n i_o 〈◊〉_d
〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d unto_o she_o so_o that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d safe_o follow_v her_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d rest_n in_o her_o judgement_n in_o thâ—â—_n i_o say_v general_a counceil_n may_v 〈◊〉_d in_o 〈◊〉_d of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o church_n herself_o from_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d of_o christian_a religion_n and_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o all_o this_o be_v a_o â—ad_a beginning_n be_v a_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d he_o i_o lay_v down_o 〈…〉_o first_o that_o the_o church_n include_v in_o iâ—_n all_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d christ_n appear_v in_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o 〈◊〉_d of_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d second_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d all_o those_o 〈◊〉_d that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d apostle_n time_n iâ—_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d all_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d happy_o not_o from_o all_o ignorance_n three_o that_o the_o church_n include_v 〈◊〉_d the_o â—eleivers_n live_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d free_v not_o only_o from_o 〈◊〉_d in_o such_o thing_n 〈…〉_o to_o 〈◊〉_d and_o 〈◊〉_d 〈…〉_o thing_n that_o any_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o christian_a 〈◊〉_d and_o religion_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d without_o all_o doubt_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n in_o 〈…〉_o so_o â—â—_o to_o the_o thing_n 〈◊〉_d in_o scripture_n or_o 〈◊〉_d by_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d that_o â—ath_v be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d because_o as_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o church_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d church_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d of_o 〈◊〉_d or_o rome_n but_o the_o universal_a church_n neither_o that_o universal_a church_n which_o 〈◊〉_d be_v gather_v together_o in_o a_o general_a council_n which_o be_v 〈◊〉_d sometime_o to_o have_v err_v but_o that_o which_o disperse_v through_o the_o world_n from_o the_o baptism_n of_o john_n continue_v to_o 〈◊〉_d time_n six_o that_o in_o the_o judgement_n of_o waldensis_n the_o father_n successive_o be_v more_o certain_a judge_n in_o matter_n of_o faith_n then_o a_o general_n council_n of_o bishop_n though_o it_o be_v in_o a_o sort_n the_o high_a court_n of_o the_o church_n as_o the_o treatiser_n say_v but_o say_v the_o jesuite_n if_o yet_o for_o all_o this_o our_o answerer_n will_v not_o be_v bring_v to_o build_v his_o conscience_n upon_o any_o other_o authority_n 32_o authority_n reply_v pag._n 32_o i_o perceive_v a_o little_a thing_n will_v beget_v conâ—idence_n 〈◊〉_d jesuite_n that_o be_v so_o lift_v up_o with_o produce_v two_o old_a objection_n to_o little_a purpose_n but_o what_o then_o why_o majora_fw-la his_o agreat_a one_o of_o our_o own_o shall_v school_v he_o a_o little_a better_o pooâ—e_a â—edant_n in_o what_o manner_n by_o tell_v he_o out_o of_o lyriâ—ensis_n that_o the_o ancient_a consent_n of_o godly_a father_n be_v with_o great_a carâ—_n not_o only_o to_o be_v search_v but_o also_o to_o be_v follow_v of_o we_o chief_o in_o the_o rule_n of_o faith_n ibid._n reply_v ibid._n as_o if_o the_o consent_n of_o father_n be_v the_o absolute_a rule_n of_o faith_n without_o scripture_n when_o you_o yourselves_o dare_v not_o attribute_v to_o any_o father_n authority_n &_o power_n to_o express_v the_o rule_n of_o faith_n by_o their_o bare_a consent_n for_o durand_n say_v that_o although_o the_o church_n have_v power_n of_o gâ—â—_n on_o 〈◊〉_d yet_o that_o do_v not_o exceed_v thâ—_n limitation_n of_o the_o scripture_n scripturae_fw-la scripture_n durand_n â—â—_o dist._n 44._o q._n 3._o â—_o 9_o ecclesia_fw-la licet_fw-la habet_fw-la in_o terris_fw-la dominationem_fw-la dei._n illa_fw-la tamen_fw-la â—on_n excedit_fw-la limitationem_fw-la scripturae_fw-la universal_a extent_n of_o doctrine_n be_v a_o good_a directory_n to_o truth_n but_o the_o absolute_a foundation_n of_o faith_n be_v the_o sacred_a scripture_n neither_o be_v we_o at_o all_o to_o give_v credit_n say_v the_o author_n of_o the_o imperfect_a work_n upon_o matthew_n among_o the_o work_n of_o chrysostome_n unto_o the_o church_n 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unity_n of_o the_o church_n he_o say_v let_v they_o declare_v their_o church_n if_o they_o be_v able_a not_o in_o the_o speech_n and_o rumour_n of_o the_o african_n not_o in_o counsel_n of_o their_o bishop_n not_o in_o the_o passage_n of_o their_o dispute_n not_o in_o their_o â—ignes_n &_o deceitful_a wonder_n because_o even_o against_o these_o thing_n the_o word_n of_o god_n have_v persuade_v we_o to_o be_v â—aâ—y_n but_o in_o the_o law_n prophet_n psalm_n the_o pastor_n voice_n the_o evangelist_n preach_v and_o labour_n that_o be_v in_o all_o the_o canonical_a authority_n of_o holy_a scripture_n authoritatibus_fw-la scripture_n aug._n de_fw-fr vnit._n eccle._n c._n 88_o ecclesiam_fw-la svam_fw-la demonstrant_fw-la si_fw-la possunt_fw-la non_fw-la iâ—_n sermonibus_fw-la &_o rumoribus_fw-la afrorum_fw-la non_fw-la in_o concilijs_fw-la episcoporum_fw-la suorum_fw-la non_fw-la in_o literis_fw-la 〈◊〉_d libet_fw-la disputatorum_fw-la non_fw-la in_o signis_fw-la &_o prodigijs_fw-la 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of_o scripture_n as_o the_o devil_n use_v they_o in_o his_o allegation_n against_o our_o saviour_n or_o pope_n in_o their_o 〈◊〉_d corrupt_o and_o 〈◊〉_d and_o not_o according_a to_o the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o true_a meaning_n of_o the_o text_n yet_o that_o scripture_n be_v the_o only_a sufficient_a rule_n be_v so_o general_o a_o receive_a truth_n that_o never_o any_o heretic_n deny_v the_o same_o for_o although_o many_o of_o they_o deny_v some_o scripture_n yet_o they_o confess_v those_o which_o they_o acknowledge_v divine_a to_o be_v deliver_v to_o the_o church_n to_o reveal_v god_n will_n and_o to_o determine_v all_o doctrine_n in_o the_o church_n and_o controversy_n of_o faith_n by_o and_o whereas_o this_o wise_a of_o his_o brethren_n will_v persuade_v that_o we_o to_o cloak_n our_o error_n with_o a_o show_n of_o piety_n will_v not_o be_v subject_a to_o the_o sentence_n of_o any_o judge_n whatsoever_o but_o the_o sacred_a scripture_n 32_o reply_v pag._n 32_o the_o jesuite_n be_v here_o 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confess_v l._n 13._o c._n 23._o non_fw-la enim_fw-la oportet_fw-la de_fw-la tam_fw-la sublimi_fw-la autoritate_fw-la judicaâ—_n neque_fw-la enim_fw-la de_fw-la ipso_fw-la libro_fw-la tuo_fw-la etiamsi_fw-la quod_fw-la ibi_fw-la non_fw-la lucet_fw-la quoniam_fw-la submittimus_fw-la ci_fw-fr nostrum_fw-la intellectum_fw-la certumque_fw-la habemus_fw-la etiam_fw-la quod_fw-la clausium_fw-la est_fw-la aspectiâ—â—â—_n nostris_fw-la rectè_fw-la veraciterque_fw-la dictum_fw-la esse_fw-la siceâ—â—â—_n homo_fw-la licet_fw-la jam_fw-la spiritualis_fw-la &_o renouâ—â—â—â—_n in_o 〈◊〉_d dei_fw-la secundùm_fw-la imaginem_fw-la ejus_fw-la qui_fw-la creavit_fw-la eum_fw-la factor_n tamen_fw-la legis_fw-la debet_fw-la esse_fw-la non_fw-la judex_fw-la de_fw-fr he_o enim_fw-la judicare_fw-la nunc_fw-la dicitur_fw-la in_fw-la quibus_fw-la et_fw-la corrigendi_fw-la potestaâ—â—m_fw-la habet_fw-la clemens_n alexandrinus_n storm_n l._n 7_o non_fw-la enim_fw-la absolutè_fw-la eâ—â—â—ciantibus_fw-la 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philippi_n 3._o etc._n etc._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d multa_fw-la sunt_fw-la hujusmodi_fw-la quae_fw-la reâ—â—agantibus_fw-la aut_fw-la circâ—ca_fw-la 〈◊〉_d doctor_n 〈◊〉_d sunt_fw-la à _fw-la pontificibus_fw-la nec_fw-la enim_fw-la parvum_fw-la doctorum_fw-la aggerem_fw-la sed_fw-la dei_fw-la sapientiam_fw-la et_fw-la spiritum_fw-la pro_fw-la regula_fw-la etrectore_fw-la veritatis_fw-la habet_fw-la â—â—â—cta_fw-la haec_fw-la 〈◊〉_d quae_fw-la falli_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la mater_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la that_o which_o god_n have_v leave_v his_o church_n be_v the_o bless_a spirit_n in_o his_o wordâ—_n â—_z which_o christ_n have_v promise_v shall_v direct_v his_o own_o in_o all_o at_o least_o fundamental_a truth_n and_o what_o if_o some_o desperate_a man_n follow_v deceitful_a guide_n must_v this_o of_o necessity_n make_v the_o true_a guide_n of_o his_o spirit_n contemptible_a or_o must_v the_o scripture_n be_v uncertain_a in_o their_o direction_n because_o we_o have_v man_n that_o will_v not_o see_v 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〈◊〉_d by_o 〈◊〉_d â—all_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n and_o the_o council_n of_o 〈◊〉_d canone_o 〈…〉_o these_o book_n be_v omit_v â—â—â—â—_o part_n of_o the_o 〈◊〉_d scripture_n three_o the_o repute_a 47._o canon_n of_o the_o three_o council_n of_o carthage_n which_o be_v their_o chief_a testimony_n by_o the_o judgement_n of_o their_o own_o be_v never_o determinâ—â—â—â—_n that_o synod_n convocaâ—â—m_fw-la â—arclaij_fw-la paraenesis_n l._n 1._o c._n â—1_n refertur_fw-la â—ic_fw-la canoâ—_n council_n 3._o carthaginensi_fw-la cvi_fw-la augustinus_n interâ—â—it_fw-la sed_fw-la ex_fw-la 〈◊〉_d constat_fw-la posterioris_fw-la concilij_fw-la esse_fw-la quod_fw-la paulo_fw-la post_fw-la sub_fw-la boni_fw-la â—â—cio_fw-la convocaâ—â—m_fw-la four_o in_o after_o age_n they_o be_v by_o many_o reject_v a_o never_o get_v authority_n till_o the_o trent_n decree_n beside_o these_o book_n will_v by_o their_o own_o light_n declare_v of_o what_o authority_n they_o be_v the_o 〈◊〉_d i_o hope_v will_v grant_v that_o god_n be_v as_o true_a in_o his_o word_n as_o the_o pope_n infallible_a in_o his_o decree_n &_o if_o upon_o this_o ground_n these_o book_n deserve_v credit_n let_v the_o reader_n conclude_v first_o for_o judeth_n whether_o it_o be_v â—squam_fw-la or_o ullâ—bi_fw-la we_o can_v tell_v neither_o i_o think_v the_o jesuite_n himself_o again_o she_o honour_v that_o fact_n of_o siâ—â—on_n 2_o siâ—â—on_n caâ—â—s_n loco_fw-la â—â—pra_fw-la citat_fw-la constat_fw-la auâ—em_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d doctisâ—imoâ—_n in_o contrariam_fw-la sententiam_fw-la 〈◊〉_d qui_fw-la tamen_fw-la semper_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la catholica_fw-la sunt_fw-la habiti_fw-la nich._n lyâ—an_n super_fw-la 〈◊〉_d â—_o 1._o &_o super_fw-la tobiâ—â—_n abuleâ—â—â—s_fw-la super_fw-la math._n c._n 1._o d._n aâ—â—on_n 3._o p._n â—_o 1â—_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d loâ—â—_n tum_fw-la maxim_n in_o fine_a 〈◊〉_d super_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etiam_fw-la sex_n â—â—cros_fw-la esse_fw-la 〈◊〉_d gelaâ—â—â—â—_n pâ—pa_fw-la rejecit_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d macha_n diâ—â—â—_n autem_fw-la gregorius_n l._n moral_a â—â—_o rejjoâ—â—_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d de_fw-fr tâ—â—â—poribus_fw-la &_o rich_a l._n 2._o exceptioâ—â—â—_n c._n 9_o &_o ocham_n â—â—_o diâ—â—_n 〈◊〉_d 1._o l._n 3._o 〈◊〉_d ac_fw-la d._n aug_n docet_fw-la aâ—_n ecclesia_fw-la esse_fw-la quid_fw-la they_o receptos_fw-la seâ—â—â—â—_n certa_fw-la side_n 〈◊〉_d 9_o 2_o and_o levy_n which_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n abhor_v as_o appear_v by_o moses_n 5._o moses_n gen._n 49._o 5._o and_o we_o may_v see_v that_o judeth_n fit_v herself_o for_o lie_n and_o deceit_n 10_o deceit_n 〈◊〉_d 9_o 10_o desire_v god_n to_o give_v a_o blessing_n thereunto_o 13._o thereunto_o ver._n 13._o which_o action_n as_o it_o condemn_v the_o person_n that_o do_v the_o same_o so_o do_v it_o disgrace_v this_o book_n which_o speak_v â—â—_o direct_o opposite_a to_o the_o apostolical_a rule_n 25._o rule_n eph._n 4._o 25._o and_o as_o judeth_n do_v detect_v herself_o so_o do_v tobit_n also_o by_o his_o vain_a story_n of_o the_o rival_n devil_n 14._o devil_n tob_z 6._o 14._o &_o the_o drive_v away_o of_o a_o devil_n or_o a_o evil_a spirit_n which_o shall_v trouble_v any_o with_o the_o smoke_n of_o the_o heart_n and_o the_o liver_n of_o a_o fish_n 7_o fish_n tâ—â—_n 6._o 7_o contrary_a to_o christ_n doctrine_n that_o there_o be_v some_o devil_n which_o will_v not_o be_v cast_v out_o but_o by_o fast_v and_o prayer_n 21._o prayer_n mat._n 17._o 21._o and_o wherefore_o shall_v the_o apostle_n eph_n 6._o 13._o have_v leave_v this_o out_o of_o his_o armoury_n if_o it_o have_v be_v of_o such_o forâ—â—_n &_o efficacy_n as_o be_v here_o express_v further_o we_o have_v a_o angel_n lye_v chap._n 5._o verse_n â—â—_o and_o a_o fish_n travail_v on_o land_n chap._n 6._o verse_n 2._o the_o macchabee_n contain_v many_o thing_n which_o declaâ—â—_n the_o author_n of_o they_o not_o to_o write_v with_o confidence_n of_o godâ—_n spirit_n asi_v he_o as_o first_o that_o he_o be_v a_o 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