there bounds there were three principall Bishops or Patriarkes of the Christian Churche namely the Bishop of Rome Alexandria and Antioche After which time Constantinople before named Bizantium made greate by Constantine and being the seate of the Emperors the Bishops of this See not onely obtayned to haue the dignitie of a Patriarche amonge the rest but in the second generall Counâ—â—ll holden at Constantinople was preferred before bothe the other of Alexandria and Antioche and sett in degree of honor next vnto the Bishop of Rome Hitherto See D. Feild l. 4. c. 5. pag. 202. clearely allowtâ—e Popes sentence to be greatest next to a generall Councell It is cited in the next chapter D. Feild by which discourse of his there is euident demonstration made that the priuiledge of the Bishop of Rome was not giuen him by generall Councells but hee had it before the first Nicene Councell the first generall Secondly that it was the moste principall that was in the Christian Church for of the twoe moste principall Churches â—atine and Greeke to vse his words the Latine the moste principall was vnder him thirdly hee was from the begynninge preferred before the Patriarches of Alexandria and Antioche and Constantinople in so much that for Constantinople claymeing after to be cheefe hee calleth it a pretended Title Feild sup pag 62. and false and further his words of the Bishops of Constantinople be these The mognificence and glorie of his citie dayly encreaseinge hee challenged to be superior and would be namâ—d vniuersall B. not challengeing to himself to be B. alone but enchroacheinge vppon the Right of all other and thereby declareinge Himself greater and more honorable then any of the rest and the cheife Bishop of the whole worlde Hitherto his words of the encreacheing and vsurpation of that Bishop Then by his sentence the Pope of Rome still was cheife and obtayned by right the primacie in the whole Christian Church And this cheefnes and primacie as D. Couell hath told before must needs be supreamacie for no other could haue it and D. Downame alsoe hath acknowledged Down l. 1. Ant. pag. 36. that both the Emperor and generall Councell attributed to the Pope of Rome in the primatiue Church to be heade of the Churche the greatest stile in his Iudgment and it must needs be if as it is amonge all members of the bodie the heade is cheife supreame and most excellent Lett vs add to this twoe sentences of D. Feild the one concerninge the authoritie of Traditions in these words There is no reason why traditions or vnwritten verities should not be made equall Feild pag. 238. with the words precepts and doctrines of Christ the Apostles and Pastors of the Church left vnto vs in writeinge if they could proue any such vnwritten verities for it is not the writeinge that giueth things their authoritie But the worthe and creditt of him that deliuereth them though by word and lyuely voyce onely And after delyuering three Rules Feild pag. 242. how to knowe certaynely these so authorized traditions and vnwritten verities hee speaketh in this maner The third Rule is the constant testimonie of the Pastors of an Apostolicall Churche succeedeingly deliuered To which some add the present Testimonye of any Apostolicall Churche whose declynings when they began wee cannot precisely tell Hitherto the words of this Protestant Doctor of the authoritie of traditions equall to scriptures being proued by this his Rule Then if the opinion of these some his Protestants by his maner of argueinge teacheing that the present testimonie of an Apostolicke Church is sufficient Rule to proue true traditions of so high authoritie not onely this Catholique doctrine of the Popes supreamacie and commaunding power but all other doctrines taught against these Protestants of necessitie must needs be true by this Rule for they all being the doctrines of the present Church of Rome the first and principall Apostolicke Church must needs be iustified by the Testimonie of an Apostolicke Church at this present when they ar taught by it And this is sufficient for my purpose for so that some Protestants be of this opinion it is as much as I request and doe not desire or expect D. Feilds voyce or an harmony of Protestants neuer yett agreeing well in any thinge to be all of one mynde in this matter But to vrdge this particular question in hand of the Popes supreamacie by that Rule of traditions which hee alloweth which is The constant testimonie of the Pastors of an Apostolicke Churche succeedingly deliuered It is proued by these Protestants before that the Pastors of that greatest Apostolicke Church euen from the Apostle S. Peter haue succeedingly claymed taught decreed exercised and executed that highest power of supreamacie in all parts of the knowne worlde And yett for further proofe of my Minor proposition Mr. Powell writeth of these holy primatiue Powell l. 1. Antichrist pag. 230. 231. Popes followeing in this maner Calixtus Pope defined that all Bishops thoughe gathered in a generall Councell shall fullfill the will of the Churche of Rome They which doe not this ar pronownced of Pope Pelagius to keepe a Conciliable and not a Councell And againe in these wordes Powell sap pag. 240. Pope Damasus wrote that it is not lawfull for the Bishopps to doe any thinge against the decrees of the Bishops of Rome Therefore by these Protestants The Pope of Rome of right is and of all ought to be acknowledged and admitted for the supreame heade and Ruler of the Church of Christ And this being thus vnuincibly proued by these English Protestants themselues our mortall enemyes and persecutors I conclude with their owne words graunted before vppon such triall and conuiction That the Pope and the Offer of Conference pag. 16. Church of Rome and in them God and Christ Iesus himself haue had greate wronge and Indignitie offered vnto them in that they ar reiected and that all the Protestant Churches arre scismaticastin forsakeinge vnitie and communion with them Which D. Feild must alsoe Iustifie affirminge as Feild l. 4. c. 5. pag. 202. shall be cited at lardge in the next chapter that the Iudgment of the Pope of Rome or Church of Rome is one of the greatest in this world and as greate disobedience to resist or deny it which is euident alsoe before but more of it hereafter Now lett vs come to the New Protestants historie it self maliciously by their Bishops published against the Church of Rome First entreateing of the conuersion of this kingedome to the faith of Christ they sett downe this marginall supposition in these Theater of the Empire of greate Britanie pag. 203. cap. 9. n. 5. wordes Saint Peter the Apostle supposed to haue preached in Britaine And further write as followeth To which vncontrolable testimonie some others haue added that Saint Peter the Apostle preached the worde of life in this Iland as to other gentils hee did for whome God had
thinke be plurall That whosoeuer by their Interpretations should allowe such absurdities cannot haue the true interpretation of scriptures Now the Minor is easely proued by him also for all men are bownde to obey lawfull superioritie and authoritie such as hee saith a generall Councell hath ouer all Christians in these cases his wordes before cited be these They that haue supreame Feild l. 4. â— 16. pag. 228. power that is the Bishops assembled in a generall Councell may interpret the scripture and by their authoritie suppresse all them that shall gaynesay such Interpretations and subiect euery man that shall disobey such determination as they consent vppon to excommunication and Censures of like nature Wherefore seing generall Councells haue this bindeing and commaundeing power ouer all men by these Protestants and yet by their Article before may erre and haue Art 21. sup erred euen in things pertayning vnto God the whole Christian worlde with so many absurdities may be in this damnable error the Church might cease not be Catholicke Christ Feild pag. 203. should be without a Church which D. Feild before esteemeth greate absurdities Againe thus I argue They which straungely peruert bely depraue abuse and falsefye holy scriptures cannot be thought to be true interpreters of them But M. Parkes so testifieth of our Parkes ag lymbom def of the 1. 2. 3. testim English Protestants Therefore they cannot be thought to be true Interpreters of them Notheing remaineth in this Argument to be proued Further I argue thus No Interpreters or expositors of scripture whose Interpretations be partiall vntrue seditious sauoureing of Treason poysen the Ghospell c. are to be Iudged true and Iuridicall But the English Protestants hy their owne testimonyes be such Therefore not to be iudged true and iuridicall interpreters The Maior is true and euident And the Minor thus proued first by the Protestant Confer at Hampt pag. 47. conference in these wordes The notes annexed to the Geneua translation some are very partiall vntrue seditious and sauoureing toâ— much of daungerous and trayterous conceits Yet these were allowed and published as publicke and approued interpretations An other Protestant writeth in this maner The Bishops Aduerment An. 1604. notes betray our Lord and Redeemer and befoole the rocke of saluation they are the verie poyson to all the Ghospell M. Ormerod writeth thus of his fellowe Ormer pict purit q. 4. Protestants They fill the margents of their bookes full of places of scripture in a wronge sense that by this meanes they might more easely deceaue the simple people They neither care for Maior Minor nor Conclusion so they may say some thinge They point their margents with shamefull abuseing of scripture To these I might add more arguments as that by their owne testimonies they are Hereticks Scismaticks haue no ttue Churche no true Religion and the like as amonge other reasons from themselues why Catholiks may not communicate with them in spirituall and religeous affayres is proued in a late treatise against them I will therefore passe them ouer as allready proued CHAPTER VII WHEREIN BY THESE PROtestants is proued that vnwritten traditions lawfully proued are the word of God equally as the holy scriptures That many such are and all confirme the doctrine of the Church of Rome and condemne Protestants Religion AFTER this entreateinge of holy scriptures the written worde of God lett vs come to that parte of his sacred worde delyuered by traditions and vnwritten verities preserued and proposed to faithfull Christians by the holy spouse and Church of Christ whose Iudgment Rule and direction is so dignified aboue all Inferiour Iudgments by these Protestants before Concerninge the validitie and authoritie of truely proued traditions I argue thus All Rules Groundes and Authorities in matters of Religion that are equall with holy scriptures in the Iudgment of Protestants the highest Rule in such causes are â—eghely to be reuerenced and obeyed of all Christians But the holy traditions and vnwritten verities deliuered by Christ and Apostles being lawfully proued are of this nature Therefore to be reuerenced embraced and receaued The Maior proposition is euidently true for where there is absolute equalitie there is not inferioritie but paritie as is manifest in all equalities The Minor is thus proued in this maner first M. Wotton speakeing of such hath these Wotton def of Perk. pag. 405. pag. 436. supr words out of all question wee are bounde to keepe them and telleth vs that M. Perkins was of the same opinion D. Feild speaketh thus concerninge traditions In this question by tradition wee vnderstand such partes of Christian doctrine or Feild pag. 238. l. 4. cap. 20. discipline as were not written by them by whomâ— they were first deliuered For thus our Aduersaries vnderstand traditions which they diuide into diuers kindes First in respect of the authors so makeing them of three sortes Diuine Apostolicall and Ecclesiasticall Secondly in respect of the matter they concerne in which respect they make them to be of two sortes for either they concerne matters of faiâ—he or matters of manners and these later againe either temporall or perpetuall vniuersall or particular All these in their seuerall kindes they make equall with the words precepts and doctrines of Christ the Apostles and pastors of the Church left vnto vs in writeinge Neither is there any reason why they should not so doe if they could proue any such vnwritten verities For it is not the writeing that giueth things their authoritie but the worthe and credit of him that deliuereth them though by worde and lyuely voyce onely Thus the authoritie of Traditions is iustified by Protestants to be equall with the scriptures if they can be proued Now because Protestants mayntayneinge the sufficiencie of scripture for matters of faith deny traditions of that nature I argue in this maner All Articles and matters of faith are in Protestants Iudgment proued and deliuered to vs by tradition Therefore some articles and matters of faith are in their Iudgment or so must be graunted to be deliuered by tradition The consequence is euident for euery generall proposition includeth the particular The Antecedent is thus proued by them Whosoeuer doe graunte those things which by them conteyne all matters and Articles of faith to be delyuered by tradition must needs allowe traditions in matters of faith But these Protestants doe so Therefore they must allowe such traditions The Maior is euident for whatsoeuer conteineth all excludeth none and so comprehending all comprehendeth also some and the parts of that all The Minor is likewise proued in this maner supposeing the Common opinion of these Protestants set downe in the sixt Article of their Religion Articl of Relig. art 6. in these wordes Holy scripture conteyneth all things necessarie to saluation so that whatsoeuer iâ— not reade thâ—rein nor may be proued thereby is not to be required of any man that it should be beleeued as an Article of the
rash and inconsiderate holdenes and presumption in condemninge the vniuersall Church of Christ hee was iustely condemned For the practise of the Churche at that time was not euill in any of these things neither doe wee concurre with Aerius in the reprehension of that primatiue and auncient Churche What was this practise of the primatiue Church concerning the deade for deniall whereof Aerius was condemned as D. Feild hath told vs I will recite from other Protestants M. Middleton assureth vs thus Middleton papistom pag. 64. 45. 46. 51. 47. 48. 49. S. Chrisostome taught it to be the Apostles ordinance to pray for the deade it was a tradition in the primatiue Church receaued from the fathers to pray for the deade and begg mercie of God for them The deade were prayed for in the publicke liturgies of Hull Rom. pole pag. 86 Morton Apol. part 1. pag. 273. Basile Chrisostome and Epiphanius The Churche in Epipbanius time vsed to craue mercye for the deade M. Hull saith Leo 15 Leo the pope appointed Masses for the deade D. Morton citeth from Caluine this ipsi veteres preces fundebant pro defunctis The auncient fathers prayer for the deade And to giue finall content to D Feild the sentence of his true Greeke Church is Gennad Schol. def 5. cap. 3. this The doctrine of purgatorie prayer and sacrifice for the deade was a Tradition of the Apostles That which the Latines call Purgatorie they of the Greeke Church name Catharteâ—ion They were onely Scismaticorum sectatores followers of Scismaticks which denied it The seing Protestants doe ordinarily teach that prayer for the deade is not conteyned either expressely or deducebly in scriptures it must needs be by tradition for denyall of which tradition Aerius was condemned of Heresie and the vniuersall Church at that time by D. Feild taught prayer for the deade for hee telleth vs that Aerius in his opinion contemned the vniuersall Church of Christ and so must D. Feild confesse of himself and his fellowe Protestants if they deny this to be a Tradition as they haue denyed the Bookes of Machabees where this veritie is taught to be caconicall scriptures to gaynesay this primatiue and Catholick doctrine And from hence thus I argue againe by the Rule of S. Augustine allowed by D. Feild whatsoeuer the whole Church holdeth not Feild l. 4. c. 21. pag. 242. being decreed by the authoritie of Councells but hauing beene euer holden may rightly be thought to haue proceeded from Apostolicke authoritie But the Catholicke doctrine of prayer and sacrifice for the deade is such by the testimonie of these Protestants Therefore a tradition from the Apostles by these Protestants The Maior consisteth of the verie wordes of S. Augustine as they be translated and allowed by D. Feild in this maner Feild pag. 241. Hauing sett downe the kindes and sortes of traditions it remayneth to examine by what meanes wee may come to discern and by what rules wee may Iudge which are true and Indubitate traditions The first rule is deliuered by S. Augustine Quod vniuersa Aug. l. 4. cont Donatist cap. 23. tenet ecclesia nec concilijs institutum sed semper retentum est non nisi authoritate apostolica traditum rectissimè creditur Englished by D. Feild as in the Maior proposition where rectissimè creditur is moste rightly beleeued hee hath translated may rightly be thought The Minor proposition is proued before by these Protestants in teacheing this doctrine to haue beene the doctrine of the vniuersall Church resisted by Aerius and also that it was an Apostolicke tradition which all Protestants of England must needs graunt vnto by S. Augustines and D. Feilds first Rule before for by their proceedings they are so far from graunteing that this doctrine is defined by Councells and by that title to be embraced That they playnely teach in the Articles of their Religion the definition of a generall Councell in matters of faith not taken out of scriptures as they teach this is not is nothing worthe The Articl of Relig. art 21. wordes of their Article be these Things ordeined by generall Councells as necessarie to saluation haue neither strength nor authoritie vnlesse it may be declared that they be taken out of holy scripture Hitherto their subscribed article And that this is a thinge necessarie to saluation must needs also be yeelded vnto by these Protestants telling vs before both that Aerius was condemned of Heresie for denying it as also that Heresie is arror in some fundamentall point Couâ—ll sup which must needs be necessarie to saluation My next Argument shall be taken from the next Rule of D. Feild to knowe true traditions and my Maior proposition shall be his verie wordes thus next followeing The second Rule is whatsoeuer all or the Feild supr pag. 242. moste famous and renowned in all ages or at the leaste in diuers ages haue constantly deliuered as receaued from them that went before them no man contradicting or doubting of it may be thought to be an Apostolicall Tradition But the Catholicke doctrine of prayer for the deade praying to Saincts single life of the cleargie especially in the Latine Church and others in their proper place to be proued such by these Protestants are in this state Therefore by Protestants they be Apostolicke traditions The Maior is the very sayinge and sentence of D. Feild before and the Minor concerning prayer for the deade also before allowed by these Protestants the others are to be proued in their order this now sufficeth The first proposition for my next Argument shall be D. Feilds third and laste Rule to knowe true and indubitate traditions and is deliuered by him in these wordes The third Rule is the constant testimonie Feild supr l. 4. c. 21. pag. 242. of the pastors of an Apostolicke Church successiuely delyuered But prayer for the deade c. is so proued by such testimonie therefore an Apostolicke tradition The maior is D. Feild sentence And the Minor is before proued by these Protestants for if the vniuersall Church as before by them consented is this veritie not onely one Apostolicke Church sufficient for his Rule but all did consent vnto it otherwise it could not be said the doctrine of the vniuersall Church And of all Churches Apostolicke there can be no question with Protestants bur the Church of Rome euer taught thus and D. Field hath told vs before that Feild l. 4. c. 5. pag. 202. amongst Apostolicke Churches the Church of Rome is more specially to be obeyed reuerenced and respected Further thus I argue whatsoeuer thinges are either approued by these Protestants themselues for true and indubitate traditions or allowed by them that the primatiue Church and fathers receaued for such are to haue that allowance But the signe of the crosse mixture of water with wine in the Eucharist reuerence of holy Imadges and Relicks sacrifice and prayer for the deade vowes of chastitie and single life of
Whitsontide was generally receaued as a Tradition deliuered by the Apostles then the times themselues not being either commaunded or directly exemplified in scripture must also be allowed by tradition And yet the Sabboth day in the old lawe which was abrogated by this tradition of the Sonday the Lords day as hee nameth it was so expressely commaunded by scripture that in order it is the third of the ten cheife commaundements and one of the first table belongeing to the worshipp of God Therefore a Tradition so powerable as to giue a ceaseinge to the expresse writteÌ„ worde lawe and commaundement of God must needs be of equall power And the Christians feaste of Easter likewise crosseing with and euacuateing the Pascha of the lawe written and without scripture onely by the prerogatiue of Tradition cannot be inferior especially seeing as before the Quartadecâ—mans denyers thereof were condemned as Hereticks by the primatiue Church for that cause And the like reason is of the feast of Whitesontide in the Church of Christ receaued by the same Rule of Easter onely by vnwritten tradition yet clearely abolisheinge and takeinge away the written lawe and word of God in that behalf Further I argue thus whatsoeuer is not a perfect and compleate Rule and Square in matters and questions of Religion without the help and dyrection of vnwritten traditions cannot be termed an absolute Rule in this kinde But the scripture and written worde of God by these Protestants is such Therefore by them no absolute and perfect Rule in matters of faithe The Maior is euidently true in the light of nature otherwise one and the same thinge in the same respect might be absolute and not absolute perfect and not perfect and two Contradictories might be true which is vnpossible The Minor proposition is thus proued by D. Feilde who speakeing of traditions Feild l. 4. cap. 20. pag. 239. vnwritten and yet allowed by him hath these wordes The third kinde of tradition is that forme of Christian doctrine and explication of the seuerall partes thereof which the first Christians receauing of the same Apostles that deliuered to them the scriptures commended to posterities This may rightly be named a tradition for that wee neede a playne and distinct explication of many things which are somewhat obscurely conteyned in the scripture Which is sufficient proofe that tradition vnwritten is the cause why many things are beleeued by faith grownded vppon tradition not written which the scriptures could neuer warrant vs to beleeue For things obscurely handled and not playnely and distinctly explicated which as hee saith is by tradition cannot be the formall obiect of faith by any possibilitie for seeing true certayne and vndoubted Reuelation from God euen by Protestants is the formall cause of beleeueinge things obscurely conteyned or taught cannot haue this priuiledge And yet by D. Feilds wordes many thinges be in this state without the assistance of tradition and yet firmely to be beleeued Therefore not the obscuritie in scripture but to vse his wordes a playne and distinet explication of many thinges by tradition receaued by the first Christians from the Apostles commended to posterities is the formall cause and reason of beleeueinge such verities Now to drawe to an end in this question of traditions D. Feild to his fowre before acknowledged kindes of traditions The holy scriptures the Creede of the Apostles the forme Feild pag. 238. l. 4. of Christian doctrine and explication of the seuerall parts thereof which the first Christians receaueinge of the same Apostles that deliuered to them the scriptures commended to posterities and the continued Feild pag. 239. practise of such thinges as neither are conteyned in the scripture expressely nor the example of such practise expressely there deliuered thoughe the growndes reasons and causes of the necessitie of such practise be there conteyned and the benefitt or good that followeth of it hee addeth the fift kinde in these wordes The fift kinde of traditions comprehendeth Feild supr pag. 239. such obseruations as in particulare are not commaunded in scripture nor the necessitie of them from thence concluded though in generall without limitation of times and other circumstances such things be there commaunded Of this sorte many thinke the obseruation of the lent faste to be the faste of the fourthe and the sixt dayes of the weeke and some other This supposed as also the Feild pag. 242. same Protestant Doctors Rules before to know true traditions the consent and doctrine of the Churche the moste renowned for learninge the constant Testimonie of the pastors of an Apostolicke Church amonge which next to generall Feild pag. 202. Councells bynding and commaunding all the Church of Rome is especially to be obeyed reuerenced and respected as moste priuiledged from error yt must needs be euident by these Protestants that Traditions whether deliuered in scripture to be deduced from them or to be receaued without scripture are to be adiudged for the Romane Churche for that before is proued by them to be the true Church of Christ the Pope of Rome to be the supreame commaunding Ruler in it that the scriptures receaued by it are Canonicall and the vndowbted worde of God and all true and Iuridicall expositions and deductions from them are onely for the doctrine of the same Churche of Rome And so their other grounted Rules of generall Councells and Learned Fathers to be handled in the next chapters doe also teach vnto vs the same doctrines by these Protestants for by their Iudgment they may not nor can proceede in such bâ—sines but by the holy scriptures and true expositions and deductions from them allreadie proued by these Protestants for the present Roman Church Therefore I conclude this question with this Arguments following Whatsoeuer doctrines in Religion generall Councells the highest binding and commaunding Rule and authoritie ouer all Christians in the Iudgment of Protestants haue defined by the Bishops and Fathers assembled in them in matters of Religion by traditions written or vnwritten are to be receaued and embraced of all But all or the cheefest Articles in question betweene Catholicks and Protestants are directly concluded by the grounte of these Protestants by the Councells and Bishops in them assembled at Nyce the seconde the greate Laterane Florence and Constance Basile cited and allowed for generall Councells by the Protestant Bishop of Winchester D. Bilson D. Willet D. Couell M. Bils Middlet papist â—9 119. 120. 124. 125. Willet synop cont 1. q. 7. Liniban ap Parkes and others in such maner as the present Church of Rome now teacheth Therefore they ought so to be receaued and embraced of all Christians bothe propositions are graunted before by these Protestants or in these citations Therefore nothinge remayneth to be proued in this Argument And because these Protestants Parkes pag. 137. 180. Couell def of Hook pag. 21. Parkes ag lymb pag. 176. Willet Antil pag. 178. c. Abbot ag Hill pag 38. 48. 49. 51.
teach that those doctrines are not conteyned in or to be proued by scriptures consequently they defined them by vnwritten traditions of equall authoritie with scripture by D. Feild before being so adiudged allowed and approued by that highest commaunding sentence in the Churche of Christ But of generall Councells I am to entreate in the next chapter In the meane time I vrdge onely this one particular of the highest authoritie and gouermnent in the Church by tradition as these Protestants assure vs and I argue thus Whosoeuer defend and teach that which they thinke to be the highest authoritie and function spirituall in the Church without which the word of God cannot be truelâ— preached nor Sacraments duely ministred the essentiall things of the true Church by the Protestants Religion to be an vnwritten Tradition needs must allowe of vnwritten traditions necessarie to saluation But these English Protestants case is such Therefore they must allowe vnwritten traditions necessary to saluation The Maior proposition is euidently true and the Minor thus proued by them The Protestant Author of the offer of conference Offer of confer pag. 12. writeth thus The Bishop of Rochester with the consent and by the direction no doubt of some of the cheefest Prelates hath published his sermon preached before the Kinge at Hampton Court the mayne drift whereof is to proue that the offiâ—e and câ—lling of Bishops is a diuine and Apostolicall ordinance And againe in these words vnwritten ordinances Pag. 34. sup aswell as written or dyuine and Apostoliâ—ke in the constitution of the cheefest office and ministery of the Church D. Couell hath testified the same for himself before and their Bishop Barlowe Barlowe Ser. Sept. 21. 1606. before the Kinge his words before the Kinge and with publicke applause are these of this matter First posuit actu hee acted it by the hands of the Apostles and so the Episcopall function is an ordinance Apostolicall hee hath enacted it for succeeding posteritie and so it is a canon or constitution of the whole Trinitie It is Geographia agraphos vnwritâ—en Housbandrie whereof there is no written precept or Rule from Christ Irenaeus calleth it an Apostolicall tradition manifest to all the worlde To these lett vs add some Protestant testimonies how from the first creation of the world all Articles of Religion for many hundreds of yeares and afterward many cheife and necessarie points thereof were taught and deliuered by tradition without scripture And I will onely cite their late worke Historye of the world much commended Histor of the world lib. 1. pag. 180. and approued amonge them Of the practice and deliuery of Religion thus they write That the Rule in generall was paternall it is most euident for Adam being Lord. Ouer his owne children instructed them in the seruice of God his Creator as wee reade Cayne and Abel brought oblations before God as they had beene taught by their parent the Father of mankinde Their sixt treatise or Paragrah in that first booke is Lib. 1 §. 6. pag. 78. thus intituled of the Patriarkes deliueringe their knowledge by tradition And write in these wordes if wee consider the curiositie and polecie of elder ages wee shall finde that knowledg was the greatest treasure that men sought for and which they also couered and hid from the vulgare sort as Iewells of inestimable price feareing the irreuerent construction of the Ignorant and irreligeous so as whatsoeuer was attayned vnto concerning God and his workeinge in nature the same was not left to publicke dispute but deliuered ouer by hart and tradition from wise men to posteritie equally zelous ex animo in animum sine literis medio intercedente Dion Areop verbo from minde to minde without letters by way of Tradition or worde of mouthe And it was thought by Esdras Origen and Hilarius as Mirandula conceiueth that Moses did not onely vppon the mount receaue the lawe from God but withall secretiorem veram legis enarrationem a more secrett and true explanation of the lawe which saith hee out of the same Authors hee deliuered by mouth to Iosuah and Iosuah to the Elders for to teach these misteries which hee called secretiora to the rude multitude were no other quam dare sanctum canibus to cast pearls before swyne In succeeding times this vnderstandinge and wisedome began to be written in Cyphers and Characters and letters bearing the forme of beasts birds and other creatures and to be taught onely to such as serued in their temples and to their Kings and preists Of the first the Cabala of the Iewes was Pag. 79. an imitation This Cabala importeth a lawe receaued by Tradition and vnwritten Cabala in Hebrue is Receptio in Latine and a receauing in English If then such as would seeme wisest in the vse of reason will not acknowledge that the story of the creation or begynning of all things was written by Inspiration the holy Ghost guiding the hand of Moses yet it is manifest that thâ— knowledge thereof might by tradition then vsed be deliuered vnto him by a more certaine presumption then any or all the testimonies which prophane antiquitie had preserued and left to their successors For leauing to remember that Adam instructed Seth and Seth his children and Successors which cannot be doubted of it is manifest that Mathusalem liued together with Adam himself 243 yeares and Noah with Mathusalem no lesse then 500 yeares and before Noah died Abraham was 58. yeares old from whence this knowledge by an easy and ordinary way might come to Israel and so to Moses And to cleare all doubts and obiections these Protestants proue vnto vs. That the very binding and obligatory precepts of God themselues were thus deliuered and obserued onely by vnwritten traditions They intitle the 8. § of their second booke Histor sup libr. 2. cap. 4. §. 4. in this maner Of the vnwritten lawe of God giuen to the Patriarkes by tradition And thus they add The Patriarkes of the first age receaued many precepts from God himself and whatsoeuer was first imposed by Adam the same was obserued by Seth who instructed Enos from whom it succeeded to Noah Sem Abraham Isaac Iacob Ioseph and Moses Yea many particular commaundements afterward written were formerly imposed and diliuered ouer by tradition which kinde of teacheinge the Iewes afterward called Cabala precept receaued from the mouth of their preists and Elders to which the Iewes after the lawe written added the Interpretation of secret misteryes reserued in the bosomes of their preists and vnlawfull to be vttered to the people But the true Cabala was not to be concealed from any as being in deed the diuine lawe reuealed to the Patriarkes and from them diliuered to posteritie when as yet it was vnwritten And entreating how after letters and writing was inuented and many reuealed misteries so recorded yet men must still maintayne traditions vnwritten and instruction from them they exemplifie in this order out of S.
and the Hebrue Greeke Apostles also as Athenians But now sixe yeares triall hath taught that it is one thinge to dreame of tongues an other to knowe them And now they are said to be at a stand And would willingly giue ouer but that the Kings authoritie requireth an end But that your most learned Maiestie may se what is to be hoped for from them least the Churches be forced to buy bables for the word of God I will in few words deleuer that it may appeace that such pore students are not to be suffered to lest with the Kinge and the flocke Hitherto this greate linguists oration his exceptions are to tedious to be recited Onely because these men haue so magnified the Hebrue text of the old testament in respect of the septuaginta and vulgare Latine now this greate searcher of Hebrue monuments can heare onely for hee neuer se either of them of two perfect Hebrue copies of the old testament in all the world and both they be in the Iewes custodye one in Hierusalem and the other at Nehardegh in Mosopotamia Veteris testamenti duo exemplaria tam accurata atque mens humana prouidere potuit seruantur à Iudaeis Hierosolymis alterum alterum Nehardeghae in Mesopotamia Then if wee haue no better comfort from these Hebritians for a true Hebrue text then that England neither hath had or can procure any and none is to be had but from our Enemyes the Iewes and yet if they could procure a true copie which they haue not done there is not any one in England by their owne Iudgments able truely to translate it and these last translators were weary of their entreprise and would haue giuen it ouer after sixe yeares experience of their disabilitie but that the Kings Maiesties pleasure was to haue one end or other wee may not easely admitt such translations for holy scriptures nor Religion deduced from them for a true Religion And â—his the rather because since the birth of this new translation it is condemned by their owne approued writeings I will omitt others and onely cite one place out of their late commended history of the world in these Histor of the world l. 1. cap. ◠§. 14. Chron 2. cap. 21. v. 16. The Protest new transl sup words The ill translation of Ethiopia for Chus is amonge other places made moste apparant in the second of Chronicles in these words So the Lord styrred vpp against Iehoram the spiritt of the Philistines and the Arabians which confine the Ethiopians The Geneua translation hath it which were besides the Ethiopians the new English readeth thus more ouer the lord stirred vpp against Iohoram the spiritt of the Philistines and of the Arabians that were neare the Ethiopians Now how farre it is betweene the Philistines and the Negros or Ethiopians euery man that looketh in a mapp may Iudge For hee Philistines and Arabians doe mixt and ioyne with the land of the Chusites and are distant from Ethiopia about two and thirtie or three and thirtie degrees and therefore not their next neighbours but all Egipt and the deserts of Sur and Pharan are betweene them And to aggrauate this matter the more these new Protestant translators takeing vppon them to translate the old testament out of the Hebrue and new out of the Greeke and onely alloweing those texts in words are so farre from performing it in deeds that in the old testament they haue forsaken the Hebrue text diuers thowsands of times as may be proued by their owne merginall obseruations of that matter my leasure was not to recompt them all but in Genesis the first booke they haue thus behaued themselues aboue two hundred tymes and after the same rate in all the rest As in the 5. 20. and 25. chapter of the booke of Iudges fourtye times Fyfteene tymes in Sam. l. 1. cap. 18. in the 2. Booke of Samuel in cap. 22. thirteene times in cap. 1. 7. 18 20. in fower chapters aboue fyfty times in the third booke of Kings And so they deale with the Greeke in the new testament and in the old testament where the scripture is written in the Chaldy and Hebrue mixed as in the time of captiuitie so they vse the Chaldy tongue as in Esra cap. 4. they forsake the Hebrue thrise and the Chaldye eleuen or twelue times in the second chapter of Daniel they leaue it thirteene times in the third chapter twelue times in the 5. chapter neyne times c. and in these and other places where they refuse the originall tonge as for example the Hebrue they doe it not many times to preferre either the vulgare Latine Septuaginâ—a or Syriacke but their owne conceipt and Imagination Yet in places where they forsake the originall to preferre any of the other it is euidently against their owne profession and Religion and in places of their former translations censured by Mr. Gregory Martyne or other English Catholicks they often times neither regard their owne or ours but giue vs new scriptures and reuelations of their owne thoughe not many times in greate matters and so in this multiplication and chaunge of scriptures they haue also multiplied and chaunged Religion deduced from them and for that one Article of their auntient creed I beleeue in the holy ghost may now say by such proceedings wee beleeue in the foure and fourtie English Protestant holy Ghosts For whosoeuer reiect all texts of scripture as their owne marginall obseruations tell vs they doe though as before often not in great things yet sometimes otherwise and deny vnwritten traditions of this kinde must needs be in such estate CHAPTER VI. PROVETH BY THESE PROtestants that the true and Iuridicall exposition of scriptures is against them and for the doctrine of the Romane Church AFTER these I am to entreate of the true lawfull and Iuridicall Exposition of holy scriptures And that it belongeth to the Church of Rome haueing both the true scriptures the true translation of them and it self haueing power and authoritie being the true Church of Christ to propose it to all Christians and not to these Protestants for no companie or congregation of men wanting and denying diuers bookes of scriptures in which diuers Articles of Religion as prayer to Angels their patronadge prayer and sacrifice for the Deade meritt of good workes c. are directly proued not so apparently taught in other scriptures besides followeing and alloweing erroneous and corrupt translations can haue the true and Iuridicall exposition of scriptures especially hauing no Iurisdiction ouer others by their owne graunt But the English Protestants are in this state Therefore they haue not this true lawfull and Iuridicall exposition of scriptures Bothe propositions are graunted before and so nothinge remaineth to be proued in this argument Further I argue thus No priuate Interpretation of scriptures by conference of places and such Rules as Protestants assigne for Interpreteinge scripture is bindeing or iuridicall But all Protestant Expositions in respect of true byndeing
preists parsonall absolution from syn after confession Baptisme by priuate parsons in time of necessitie Confirmation profession of our faith to beleeue in the Father the Sonne holy Ghost ordination of Archbishops in their prouinces and Bishops in their dioces the Article of Christ discent to Hell the Apostles creede Baptisme of Infants the perpetuall virginitie of our blessed Ladie the celebrateing of our Lords day called Sonday for the sabbath in the old lawe the feastes of Pentecoste and Easter and their time when to be celebrated not answeareing to the Iewes and for denyall of which the quartadeciman Heresie was condemned and others are thus allowed by these Protestants to be true traditions or so esteemed in the primatiue Church by their testimonie Therefore they ought to haue allowance for true and indubitate Traditions The Maior is euident for against Protestants no better testimonie can be then from themselues and they haue graunted before that the primatiue Church is a true Rule in Religion and to be followed of vs. Now to proue the Minor I must ciâ—e these Protestants and if any of them in the Iudgment of some others in their Religion speake not allwaies to their likeinge or vnproperly as they thinke lett them try this combate with themselues it belongeth not to mee in this treatise First D. Couell and others teache That the signe of the crosse is Couell ag Burg. pag. 139. 124. 125. confer an apostolickall constitution and tradition And the Protestants against Puritans do not defend it by scripture The same D. Couell from the Couell ag Burg. pag. 122. auntient Fathers tell vs That the mixture of water with wine is an apostolicall tradition And as a generall Councell is of highest Iudgment by these men before so D. Willet writeth Willet Antilog pag. 169. thus the Greekes in a generall Councell held at Nyce confirmed and allowed the adoration of Imadges and it taught that Reuerence of Imadges is an Apostolicall tradition M. Middleton hath Concil Nyc 2. Middleton pap pag. 64. 45. 46. 51. thus testified S. Chrisostome taught it to be the Apostles ordinance to pray for the deade and confesseth it was a tradition in the primatiue Church receaued from the Fathers to pray for the deade and begg mercie of God for them The deade were prayed for in the publicke liturgies or Masses of Basile Chrisostome and â—piphanius The Greeke Gennad Schol. def 5. c. 3. Church so allowed by Protestants as before testifieth thus The doctrine of Purgatorie prayer and sacrifice for the deade was a Tradition of the Apostles M. Perkins Ormerod and others assure vs Perk. probl pag. 93. Ormer pict pag. â—7 Morton Apol. part 1. pag. 227. 228. Middleton pap pag. 134. Willet Antilog pag. 13. the auntient Fathers taught prayer to Saincts and D. Morton alledgeth how all antiquitie taught Inuocation of Saincts Then seing Protestants will not allowe it by scripture they must graunte it by Tradition M. Middleton telleth vs that the auntient Fathers so receaueinge it from them that went before them taught that vowes of chastitie and single life in Preists is to be obserued by tradition D. Willet graunteth that Vigiluntius was condemned for an Hereticke for deniall of reuerence to Relicks Then by tradition in the Iudgment of Protestants for they teache that it is not conteyned in scripture His Maiestie and the Protestant conference tell vs with Confer pag. 13. the Fathers and Apostolicke Churches that the particular and pâ—rsonall absolution from synne after confession is apostolicall and a verie godly ordinance And yet other Protestants there affirme that neither that nor others followeing are conteyned in scriptures D. Bilson Protestant Bishop of Winchester with consent Confer pag. 18. of Antiquitie teacheth That baptisme to be ministred by priuate persons in time of necessitie is an holy tradition His Maiestie and the saide Conference teach that Bishops be diuine ordinations Confer pag 35. 36. and confirmation is an apostolicall tradition How it ought by these men to be receaued Pag. 10. 11. for a sacrament shall be proued amonge other Sacraments hereafter M. Wotton writeth Wotton def of Perk. pag 465. 4â—6 that S. Basile did holde that the verie profession of our faith by which wee beleeue in the Father the Sonne and the holy Ghost is a tradition D. Couell wittnesseth thus that it was an Couell ag the plea. of the Innoc. pag. 104. Barlowe Ser. Sept. 21. An. 1607. part 3. cap. 2. apostolicall tradition or ordination to ordayne Archibishopâ— in their prouinces as Bishops also in their diocesse to rule the Church And yet many English Protestants to be cited hereafter deny such things either directly or consequently to be conteyned in scriptures and yet as before doe make true discipline and Regiment so essentiall a thinge in Religion that in their doctrine it is a note of the true Churche The Protestant Puritans vtterly deny alsoe that Christs discent into Hell can be proued out of scripture yet their Protestant Bishop of Winchester D. Bilson Bilson suru pag. 664. affirmeth That the Article of Christâ— discent to hell and the Creede wherein it is conteyned is an Apostolicall tradition deliuered to the Church by the direction and agreement of the Apostles To which D. Feild hath also giuen testimonie before Feild pag. 238. 239. And affirmeth the same of other particulars remembred in the Minor proposition amonge which that doctrine of baptizing infants is denyed by many of his English Protestant Church either to be conteyned or to be proued by scripture yet D. Feild Feild pag. 239. writeth thus Baptisme of Infants is named a tradition because it is not expressely deliuered in scripture that the Apostles did Baptize Infants nor any expresse precept there founde that they should so doe Then if wee should graunte more authoritie and giue greater credit to this Doctor that in his Iudgment against his fellowe Protestants before hee coulde probably deduce this doctrine from scripture which they deny yet it is but his priuate deduction and Interpretation and perhaps some few others which as before by his graunte bindeth vs not to receaue it as the doctrine of baptizing infants doth Of the perpetuall virginitie of our blessed Ladie to be a tradition I haue entreated before And Doctor Feild addeth thus The fift kinde of traditions Feild supr 239. comprehendeth such obseruations as in particulare are not commaunded in scripture nor the necessitie of them from thence concludeth Of this forte many thinke the obseruation of the Lent fast to be the fast of the fourth and the sixt dayes of the weeke and some other The custome of standeing at prayer on the Lords day and betweene Easter and Whitsontide was generally receaued as deliuered by Apostolicke tradition and when some began to breake it it was confirmed by the Councell of Nyce And if Concil Nic. can 20. to stand at prayers at such times of the Lords daye Easter and
means they could to come to vnitie amonge themselues as in the true Church it must bee Crammer and others vsed all deuises and Caluyne wrote vnto him sayeing That might his labours stand the Church insteed ne decem quideÌ„ Maria it would not greeue him to sayle ouer ten seas to such a purpose But this proued a worke of much difficultie if not altogether vnpossible in mans eyes Where they well might haue left out their addition if not and haue playnely sayd without any exception as it hath playnely proued that it was altogether vnpossible in mans eyes especially in the common order of proceedings amonge them which by their owne Relation was this That euery kingedome and free state or principalitie which had abandoned the Religion of Rome should diuulge a breife of that Religion which amonge them was taught and beleeued Wherevppon as this men tell came forthe the seuerall Protestant confessions or Religions of the seuerall Protestant Congregations of Wittemberge Ausburge Bohem Sueue Scotland Heluetia Fraunce Belgia Basile Saxonie England in their 39. Articles c. amonge whome euen those of England it selfe what contradiction there is euen in matters by their owne doctrine fundamentall and essentiall in Religion demonstration is lately made by this same maner and methode by their owne authorities and will be also manifest in this worke And yett The Answ of Orford â—â— the 1000. pet Articul 19. 21. this men which say they ar the learnest ministerye in the worlde and definitiuely condemne all Churches as Ierusalem Alexandria Antioch and Rome and generall Councells themselues of error and may not pleade Ignorance for themselues to excuse them from error Neither can they with the least pretence of truth affirme their acknowledged lyeing and erroneous Churche to be the true Church of God except they will also moste blasphemously teach and mayntayne that prima veritas and eternall truthe is eternall August lib. de mendas falsehood or with the damned Priscillianists that God in his Reuelations to his Church and in the holy scriptures hath deliuered lyes and errours commaundinge vs to beleeue them For they haue before assured vs that the true Church of God warily keepeth all doctrine committed to her chaungeth diminiâ—heth addeth loseth vsurpeth nothinge Therefore this chaungeing diminishinge loseinge and vsurpinge Church of Protestants cannot be this true Church of Christ by their owne doctrine And as materiall essentiall and fundamentall it is in Religion concerninge the true grounde and fowndation of faith and as greate a falsehood to say in the meanest or least point of faith that truth is error God a lyar or his Church a seducer as so to affirme in the greatest and moste concerninge mystery of Religion The true groundes and fowndation of true beleeueinge equally weakened or ouerthrowne in the one as the other And the first proposition which our Catholick Preists and brethren prisoners at Wisbych offered to the vice-chaunceller of Cambridge and that vniuersitie that is Ecclesia protestantium non est vera Christi Ecclesia The Protestant Churche is not the true Church of Christ is here sufficiently questioned and by themsels not longe since more then sufficiently demonstrated to bâ— Pulâ—â—â—a propositio really Demonstrat of Recuse dem 2. 3. 4. c. and sincerely a true proposition and not scoffingly as hee pleaseth to parenthesize And so will be defended or proued by those propownders of it As also their second proposition for of the third in his proper place dâ—tur externus Iudex in rebus fidei there is an externall Iudge in matters of faith will bee maynâ—ayned not onely in such sense as the Vniuersiâ—ie of Cambridge accordinge to the nature of their Church and Religion graunteth that is fallible and deceatfull But as our Brethren accordinge to the nature of true Faithe Religion and the true Church infallible intended it and still offer to make it good for the Romane Church euer synce the time of Christ and so hereafter When our English Protestant vniuersitie for their so lately as they terme Vicech of Camb D. Carey his letter Aug. 7. it reformed Church and light of the Ghospell ar driuen to this Answeare in these words Your second question is affirmatiue auerring an externall Iudge in maâ—ters of faith If you vnderstand a Iugde infallible in his sentence wee deny what you affirme otherwise wee gaynesay not your assertion Which in their owne meaninge aboue remembred is pulchra propositio for their Illuminated Church which will haue no Iudge or Iudgment in matters of faith aboue all things most infallible and certainely true except wee will allowe it for an Article of faithe or an infallible truthe that the Iudge and Iudgment must be fallible and deceatefull And the Religion and faith so adiudged and propownded to bee followed and with diuine faith to be beleeued against the nature thereof to be false erroneoes fallible or deceatefull for such as the Iudge is the Iudgment and difficultie adiudged must needs be And yett further one scruple more there is in this busines which because Cambridge is now busyed enough against pore prisoners without bookes I wish that Oxford could resolue how it can stand with the Integritie and sownd doctrine of a Reformed Church and spoken consequenter like a learned vniuersitie to graunt as they haue done and must doe by their Religion to this day that there be and must be so many Supreame and Independant Iudges and heaps in their Churche as I haue before remembred from themselues Religions Churches seuerall and different Confessions or Professions of Faithe euery one absolute of it self and without dependance of any other and to vse their owne wordes Without any meanes to take vp their controuersies no Prince with any preeminence of Iurisdiction aboue the rest no Patriarke to haue a common superintendence or care of their Churches Their lett sup Aug. 7. And yett now the vniuersitie of Cambridge haueing as they write warrant from our Kinge to accept our Preists challendge God graunt they performe their warrant Ioyneth with them in this position datur externus Iudex there â—â— an externall or one externall Iudge in matters of faith If there is but one externall Iudge for Iudex externâ—â— and externall Iudge in the singular number is but one then those Churches or Church of theirs which from their begynning haue had so many supreame Iudges and Iudgments cannot be the true Church of Christ which as now the graunt hath but one And if their former both doctrine and practise of many such Iudges is true then their present doctrine and graunt of onely one is false and inferreth a false Church But I leaue them to our Preists at Wisbych Onely here I will adde because they haue now allowed one externall Iudge in matters of faith in the true Church to whose Iudgment all must be obedient otherwise hee is not to be named a Iudge they must also against their owne limitation allowe that his Iudgment
godlines and deuotion and whosoeuer hath obtayned these things cannot doubt of heauen which is onely prepared for people endued with such graces to which if wee add his excellent order of gouerment no propertie of the true Church is wantinge And yett the scruple of this Protestant Relator for those fyue things also shall be fully satisfied euen by himselfe and his fellowe Protestants that in them also as in the rest the Church of Rome mayntayneth the truthe and Protestants See part 2. cap. 9. 10. 11. 12. 13. be in error as will appeare in the seconde parte of this worke in the chapters here cited Thirdly I argue thus No Church wantinge the supreame and byndeing authoritie ouer all others which their Bishop D. Bilson D. Feild D. Morton D. Sutcliffe c. affirme to be a generall cowncell can be the true Church of Christ and consequenly because there is of necessitie one true Church that which enioyeth it is the true Church of Christ But neither any Protestant or other Church besides the Church of Rome hath or can haue this supreame byndinge authoritie Therefore that onely is the true Churche of Christ The Maior proposition for the supreame bynding authoritie to be in the true Church is euidently true otherwise no controuersie could be decided nothinge in Religion warranted for truthe nothinge condemned for Heresie For where there is no such bindeinge and commaundeinge authoritie to be obeyed or resisted there can be no truth beleeued by authoritie nor any obstinate resistance vnto it which as D. Couell Mr. Ormerod and other Protestants Couell exam pag. 202. Ormer dial 2. c. Feild pag. 228. tell vs is required to heresie Now that this supreame bindinge authoritie is onely in a generall cowncell by these Protestants is testified by D. Feild in these words The supreame and binding authoritie is onely in Bishops in a Generall Cowncell So the Protestant Bishop of Winchester D. Bilson so D. Morton D. Bilson Suruey pag. 85. Mort. part 2. apolog pag. 340. Sutcliffe against D. Kell pag. 41. 4. 102. Protest Demonstrat cap. 2. c. Sutcliffe with others The seconde proposition is euidently of late demonstrated in the booke Intituled Protestants Demonstrations where manifest proofe is made by these Protestants themselues that they ar so farr from euer haueing a Generall Cowncell of Bishops that their English Protestants neither haue nor can haue true and lawfull Bishop Preist or Minister amonge them of their creation And if by impossibilitie they could haue Bishops yett that they cannot haue any such Cowncell is wittnessed by their Relator in these words which I haue also Relation c. 47. cited before The Protestants ar seuered bandes or rather scattered troopes eache draweinge dyvers way without any meanes to pacifie their quarrells to take vp their controuersies No Prince with any preeminence of Iurisdiction aboue the rest no Patriarcke one or more to haue a common superintendance or care of their Churches for correspondencie and vnitie no ordinary way to assemble a Generall Cowncell of their parte the onely hope remayninge to asswage their contentions And in their publick glosse vppon their booke of Articles they Rog. vppon the â—ooke of Articl in praefat acknowledge this thinge so vnpossible in their Religion that they could neuer with all meanes they made bringe to passe to haue any meeting of Protestants to come to vnitie amonge themselues but euery Protestant State and Contry hath a seuerall Confession or Profession in Religion As also those seuerall Confessions witnes Where wee see that it is a thinge so vnpossible for these meÌ„ to assemble a Generall Cowncell which they teach is to consist of all Professions that they cannot doe it for their owne poorte as the words ar nor haue any other meanes amonge them of Iurisdiction to decide controuersies when contrary wise of the Romane Churche hee speaketh Relat. sup cap. 47. in this maner in the same place The other haue the Pope as a common Father Aduiser and Conduâ—â—â—â— to them all to reconcile their Iarrs to appease their displeasures to decide their difference aboue all things to drawe their Religion by consent of Cowncells to vnitie Neither can any Protestant say that this is spoken of this Relator consideringe the present states of those Churches and is onely so in that meaneinge Obiect and not absolutely and generally true for it is both absolutely and generally true Answ and euen by the nature and doctrine it self of those Religions for the Romane Church mayntayneth for the Pope and hee for himself claimeth as Successor to S. Peter Superioritie and Commaundeinge Authoritie in the whole Christian Worlde in spirituall causes which no Prince Parlament Presbitery or other Regent amonge Protestants doth out of their owne temporall confines and Gouernment as is playnely sett downe in the Relators sentence and freely acknowledged by all Protestant writers My next Argument is this That which is a congregation of faithfull men in the which the pure worde of God is preached and the Sacraments duely ministred in all thinges requisite is the true Church of Christ But the Romane Churche is such Therefore it is the true Churche of Christ The Maior proposition consisteth of the Englishe Protestants definition of true Churche sett downe in the Articles of their Religion in these words The visible Articles of Relig. art 19. Churche of Christ is a Congregation of faithfull men in the which the pure worde of God is preached and the Sacraments be duely ministred accordeinge to Christs ordinance in all those things that of necessitie ar requisite to the same The seconde proposition supposeing their former doctrine onely requireing in the true Church points of essentiall fundamentall and necessary doctrines which is also expressed in this Article Relation of Relig. cap. 48. Couell def of Hock pag. 68 is proued before and further by these Protestants Their Relator writeth in these words The Romane Church still keepeth inuiolable the fowndation of Religion D. Couell writeth thus toucheinge the mayne points of Christian truthe they of the Church of Rome constantly persist in them Their Bishop D. Doue supposeing their Religion for true which Doue persuas pag. 11. they do or should holde writeth in this maner In fundamentall points of doctrine the greatest papists in the worlde agree with vs. Concerninge Sacraments hee alloweth that accordeinge to our definition which is more limited and saict then that of Protestants There be as many as wee teache which be seuen and this shall not breede any such I arre betweene vs Doue sup pag. 27. 28. that therefore wee shoulde refuse to communicate together Which no man in conscience can say if hee supposeth vs to be in error For his owne words be these This proposition is vndoubtedly true no Heretiks nor Schismaticks ar to be communicated with all And to giue all contentment euen to those Protestants which doe not allowe their owne Articles in this doctrine of the
notes of the Church but to speake in D. Couells words adde discipline the thirde note and of as much necessitie although Couell against the plâ—a of the Innocent pag. 21. 56. for his owne opinion hee affirmeth with their recited Article in this maner There be but two essentiall notes of the Churche the true preacheing of the word and the right administration of the Sacraments The Relator hath told Relat. 6. 48. Protestants before that this Note is in the Romane Churche Wherein to vse his words Protestants Ioyneing with it shall finde excellent order of gouernment singular helpes for encrease of godlines for the conquering of sinne for the profiteinge of in vertue And their B. Doue persuas pag. 29. Doue speakeinge of the late Cowncell of Trent hath these words In that Cowncell of Trent they sett forth such holsome Canons concerninge Discipline as were fitt for a reformed Church Therefore by these Protestants nothinge is wanteing in the Church of Rome that belongeth to the true Church of Christ neither any thinge superfluous vsed in these things Further I argue thus Whatsoeuer Church is not Hereticall or Scismaticall is true and Orthodoxe But the Churche of Rome is neither Hereticall nor Scismaticall Therefore Orthodoxe and the true Churche of Christ The Maior proposition is euidently true for as the true Church of God was euer called Orthodoxe and Catholicke so the Impugners obstinately eyther in vnderstandeinge denyeing the defined doctrine thereof or in will resisteing the Superioritie and true Authoritie were Hereticks and Scismaticks The seconde proposition is proued by their before cited Protestant Bishop Daue offereinge Doue sup pers Catholicks to communicate with Protestants without any chaunge of opinion in Religion And yett that neyther Hereticks nor Scismaticks ar to be communicated withall hee hath before wittnessed in these words This proposition is vndoubtedly true no Doue sup pag. 5. Hereticks nor Scismaticks ar to be communicated withall And hee giueth vs securitie That by no possibilitie accordeinge to the Argument of Generall Cowncells before The Church of Rome can be at any time adiudged Hereticall his words be these No Church can be condemned and adiudged Hereticall Douâ— sup pag. 14. by any priuate Censure but it must be publicke a Generall Cowncell as hee there expowndeth himself which Protestants neuer had nor possibly can hereafter haue as they haue graunted My next Argument is this All that allowe the present Greeke Church to be the true Church of Christ and yett further acknowledg that the Church of Rome consenteth with the same Greeke Churche except in some fewe things in which they also holde that the Romane Church teacheth the truth and the Greekes be in Error must needs acknowledge the Church of Rome to be the true Church of Christ But these Protestant writers of England doe Thus Therefore they must allowe that the Church of Rome is the true Church of Christ The Maior proposition is euidently true for the comparatiue degree in all things includeth the positiue and addeth an encrease vnto it as better or more good more white more vertuous more true c. do include goodnes whitenes vertue truth c. and increaseth them Therefore that Church which is more true then that which is affirmed to be true must needs be graunted to be the true Church of Christ The seconde proposition is proued by these Protestants first their present Protestant D. George Abbat against D. Kill pag. 63. Feild l. 3. cap. 5. c. Archbishop of Conterbury and D. Feild allowe the Churche of Greece for true The Title of D. Feilds chapter hath thus freed it from the contrary in these words It no way appeareth that the Churches of Greece ar Hereticall or in damnable Scisme And againe all these holdeinge the Rule of faith and beleeueing all those things that ar on the perill of eternall damnation to be particularly and expressely knowne and beleeued wee accompt them in the number of the Churches of God and doubt not but innumerable liuinge and dyeing in them are and haue beene saued Now if wee consider the differences betweene these two Churches of Rome and Greece wee shall finde the cheefest to bee about the procession of the holy Ghost whether from the Father alone as the Grecians contend or from the Father and the Sonne as the Church of Rome teacheth and whether in the Sacrament of the Altare leuened or vnleuened breade as the Romane Churche teacheth is to be consecrated And in bothe these the Protestants of England consent with the Church of Rome as appeateth by those words of the Creede Who prooceedeth from the Father and the Sonne allowed and vsed by them in the one and their practice in the other If Protestants will add contention for supreamacie moste of them confesse that it neuer belonged to Constantionple in Greece whose name was not when Rome enioyed it And the present Gretians themselues acknowledge the highest dignitie in Rome And in the next chapter I am to proue the supreamacie of the Pope of Rome ouer all the world for this place it sufficeth that the recited D. Feild telleth vs absolutely it was Feild l. 3. of the Church c. 1. but intruded and vsurped by the Citie of Constantinople to be accompted superior greater more honorable then any of the rest and the cheife Bishop of the whole Worlde because his Cittie was the cheife Citie of the Worlde Which as hee saith hee challenged because hee was prouâ—e and Insolent Now how these Churches agree in other questions that be betweene Protestants and vs will appeare in diuers chapters of this treatise and is conteyned in the censure of the Gretians against Protestants Hieremias Patriarch Constant in censura c. Relation of Relig. c. 53. or 54. and as in playne words confessed by the Protestant Relator who speaketh of them in the Greeke Churche in this maner With Rome they concurre in the opinion of Transsubstantiation and generally in the seruice and whole bodie of the Masse in prayinge to Saincts in auriculare confession in offering of sacrifice and prayer for the deade and in these without any or with no materiall difference They holde Purgatorij Cap. 55. also and worshipping of pictures For the forme and ceremonies of the Masse they much resemble the Latines Their liturgies he the same that in the olde Cap. 53. or 54. time namely S. Basils S. Chrisostomes and S. Gregories translated without any bendeinge of them to that chaunge of languadge which their tonge hath suffered In summe all those opinions which grewe into the Church before that seperation betweene the Greckes and Latines and all those ceremonies which were common vnto bothe they still retayne as their Crosseings and Thapers with others Therefore yf this Church of Greece is not to be condemned as these Protestants teache much lesse can the Romane Church be condemned by them but must needs remayne the true Church of Christ Thus I
authoritie though wicked sed etiam discolis And to say as you must doe otherwise you demonstrate against your English Protestant Church whose mouthe you so often vndertake to be and for the Pope of Rome that Magistrates falling into deadly synne cease to be Magistrates one of your brother Witkliffe his Heresies condemned by highest authoritie For otherwise if the present Pope Paulus the fift a Sainct in all Indifferent Iudgments as all his predecessors from Leo the tenth and the reuolt of Luther in respect of any Protestant succession might be thought worthie to be esteemed such or as your wordes prescribe in your Protestant Censure Yett except it were his due without that your adiudged sanctitie neither our Kinge of England nor all the Protestant Princes and Regiments in the world could by your Religion make the Pope or any other to be primate and haue the charge or â—uersight of the whole Church For by your owne doctrine of Princes or Presbyteries supreamacie none extendeth further then their owne temporall dominions much lesse ouer the whole Church or any greate part thereof And by Lord Cookâ— prot assert Iacob Reas your owne Rule of authoritie iustified both by the Lord Cheefe Iustice of England and your Ministers Nemo potest plus Iuris in alium transferre quam ipse habet No man can transfer or bestowe more Right vppon an other then hee himself hath Therefore by our sentence from our Kings Mouthe as you assuer vs all Popes euer were and this is supreame Heade and Ruler of Christs whole Church in England and all other partes of the worldes 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of the whole Church as your Greeke graunt with S. Gregory Nazianzen is And all that desire to be accompted the chosen and true sheepe and members of this greate flocke folde and Church of Christ ought to submitt themselues to this high sheephard primate and Ouerseer of the whole Christian worlde and to be Iudged by him and not to be Iudges ouer him And to this also D. Morton himself Morton App. lib. 4. cap. 7. must subscribe though hee will be singular aboue his fellowes as often times hee is For first hee alloweth this sentence of their so named Archbishop Whiteguist against Cartwright Victor in the yeare of Christ 198 was a godly Bishop and Martyr and the Church at that time was in greate puritie as not beinge longe after the Apostles And his Maiestie telleth him that this Church of Rome was then a Rule to all Yet D. Morton assureth vs that this godly Bishop and Martyr and Ruler of that Church which was a Rule to all did exercise the highest Act of Iurisdiction and power ouer all Churches in the world that did not yeeld vnto him in the Easter obseruation inflicting excommunication the greatest act of Iurisdiction by Protestants against them his wordes be these Morton App. l. 1. cap. 9. Pope Victor excommunicated all Churches both Greeke and Latine which differed from his Church in the obseruation of Easter This clayme and exercise of this supreame Iurisdiction was when the Church of Rome was a Rule to all in the Iudgment of these Protestants and a matter of so greate moment that the doeing of it if vniustly had beene moste damnable and yett hee liued and dyed an holy Saint Therefore I vrge D. Morton with these his Morton app pag. 298. owne wordes in the case of S. Ciprian This wee thinke might worke in our Aduersaries at least blush except they would intend to proue concerninge Sainct Victor that the same man of God and holy Martyr of Christ was neither Sainct nor Martyr But vndoubtedly a damnable scismaticke When D. Morton wittnesseth the quite contrary sayeinge they were condemned for Hereticks whoe after the Councell of Nice conformed not themselues herein to the Romane Order But D. Morton insisteth Mort. supr pag 76. further in these words S. Ciprian directly ordeyned in a Councell that euery mans cause should be hard there where it was comitted and Mort. sup pag. 296. therefore commaunded those men to returne home againe vnto Carthadge whoe had aduentured to appeale vnto Rome And yet Bellarmine vrgeth appealeinge vnto the Bishop of Rome from all the coastes of the world as a speciall Argument of the Popes absolute primacie D. Morton is answeared by himselfe before proueinge that the Bishop of Rome exercised this supreame power ouer all Churches both Greeke and Latine Then ouer Africke and Carthadge And in this very obiection againe confoundeth himself for hee telleth vs that in S. Ciprian his time they appealed to Mort. supr Rome and proueth by S. Ciprian whome hee would haue an enemy to such Appeales and supreamacy of the Church of Rome that such appeales were then vsed longe before any generall Councell or Christian Emperor to graunt such priuiledges to that Church And that the Popes and Bishops of Rome that claymed receaued and admitted such appeales namely S. Cornelius and others ware Holy Saincts and Martyrs Therefore if that had beene true which D. Morton writeth in these wordes Morton pag 296. Saint Ciprian directly ordeyned in a Councell that euery mans cause should behard there where it waâ— committed and therefore commaunded those men to returne home againe vnto Carthadge who had aduentured to appeale vnto Rome not alloweinge that any other Bishops should retract things done by them in Africke vnlesse saith Ciprian a few leude and desperate parsons thinke the Bishops of Africke to haue lesse authoritie by whome they haue beene allready Iudged and condemned If this allegation of D. Morton were true and certayne Yet it nothing preiudicateth the Authoritie and supreamacie of the Pope of Rome not to be censured and Iudged by Inferior Bishops such as those of Africke were vnto Rome by Protestants doctrine And D. Morton himself besides all that is said before is wittnes sufficient in this Matter for writeing of Pope Iulius in those allowed times hee hath these words Two points Morton pag. 286. would be obserued in this claime of Pope Iulius The first is what it was that hee challenged the second is by what right Bothe these ar recorded by Socrates His challenge was that hee ought to be called vnto the Councell and that without his sentence no decrees should be concluded The right hereof hee pretendeth to stand vppon the authoritie of an Ecclesiastical canon The wordes of Socrates his Author Socrat. histor ccclesiast circa An. 346. histor tripart lib. 4. cap. 9. because D. Morton is a knowne myncer of authorities ar these Regula Ecclesiastica iubeat non oportere praeter sententiam Romani Pontificis concilia celebrari The Ecclesiasticall Rule commaundeth that Councells he not celebrated without the sâ—â—tence of the Bishop of Rome And againe Canonibus iubentibus praeter Romanum nibil decerni Socrat. sup histor trip lib. 4. cap. 19. Pontificem The canons commaundeinge that nothinge be decreed without the Pope of Rome And yet D. Morton
of our Lord himself The laste is to be an Interpreter and in that followeing the safest Rule to make an vndiuided vnitie of the truthe vncapable of contradiction to be a moste faithfull Couell sup pag. 34. expositor of his owne meaneinge And hee concludeth thus Wâ—e say that wee are taught to receaue the worde of God from the authoritie of the Churche wee see her iudgment wee heare her voice and in hâ—militie subscribe vnto all this Therefore beinge so proued before by these Protestants that the Church of Rome is the Church of Christ endowed with these priuiledges concerninge scriptures that the sentence of it by D. Feild before is more Feild l 4. c. 5. pag. 202. to be regarded then any they haue or can pretend and hath proposed all bookes for scripture which Catholicks receaue wee must obey it and the rather agreeing with the Greeke Church of which D. Feild writeth Feild pag. 71. l. 3. c. 5. thus wee accompt them in the number of the Churches of God Which that Church cannot be which proposeth adulterate and false scriptures for true and the vndoubted word of God The Minor proposition is also euidently true That all bookes which the Church of Rome receaueth for Holy scriptures as so proposed published and proued vnto vs by the true Church and that sentence which in this time is highest and to be obeyed as these Protestants haue written And so all things in this Argument ar euidently confessed for true by our Aduersaries Before my next argument I will cite the opinion of D. Doue Protestant Bishoppe of Peterboroughe in this matter that wee may playnely see where vppon Protestants denyeing so many bookes for canonicall scriptures which Catholicks receaue is grownded his wordes be these Catholicks Doue persuas pag. 15. proue them to be canonicall out of S. Augustine wee that they be Apochrypha out of S. Hierome both which Doctors are of no small authoritie with the Church of Rome And therefore in this wee differ no more from them then S. Hierome did from S. Augustine This supposed I argue thus from these Protestants Whatsoeuer doctrine was taught in the time of the primatiue Churche by a Bishoppe Sainct and Doctor of the Church in the Iudgment of Protestants farre the moste Learned Doctor that euer was or shall be in all likelyhood excepting the Apostles and this so constantly that this so worthie a man taught it to be the Common doctrine of the Churche of Christ in all probabilitie is more like to be true then that which doubtefully taught by an other Doctor of the same time who bothe as the same Protestants write delt vnchristianely and his authoritie in some other questions was not much worthe and in this also recalled his opinion or renownced it to be his meanening But the doctrine which Catholicks hold concerning canonicall scriptures is by the testimonie of Protetestants thus much more likely to be true and worthie to be beleeued then the contrary opinion of Protestants Therefore by Protestants it is more probable credible and worthie to be beleeued The Maior proposition in the proceedings of these Protestants by whome I dispute in this place is euidently true For amonge men learned in professions the Common maxime and reason is wee must beleeue euery one moste cunninge in his art and amonge men learned hee that is moste or more learned is to be credited before him that is supposed to be his inferior in learning And doctrine constantly taught not onely to be the doctrine of such a more or moste learned Father and Doctor and Sainct but further to be doctrine generally of Christs true Churche is of more creditt and more worthie to be beleeued then that which by a man supposed not so learned is either doubtfully or singularly taught or vncertaine whether it was so taught or if it were yet was recanted disclaymed or retracted by himselfe The second proposition concerning these two greate Doctors and their opinions in this point is thus proued by these Protestants D. Couâ—ll writeth of S. Augustine in Couell against Burges pag. 3. these termes Hee was farre the moste learned Doctor that euer was or shall be in all likelyhood except the Apostles And giueing the highest commendation hee could to S. Thomas Aquinâ—s our holy and learned schole-man hee Couell ag Burg. writeth thus By a Common prouerbe it was spoken that the soule of S. Augustine dwelt in Aquinas Concerning S. Hiâ—â—ome vppon whose Imagined opinion in this point they would hazard their whole Religion in their Iudgments alloweing onely the scriptures to be Iudges and grownds in other poynts they vse him in these termes Mr. Wottons Wotton def of perk 495. 500. 519. 520. words be Hieromes authoritie in the case of single life is not much worthe Hierome condemninge Iouinian delt vnchristianely with him The authoritie of Hierome concludeinge a worke of perfection from those words of Christ goe and sell all c. is not to be admitted Now let vs heare from these Protestants in what maner these two Doctors taught as this Protestants tell vs these two diuers doctrines one for Catholicks and the other for Protestants D. Feild writeinge of bookes which Catholicks admitt for canonicall and the Protestants refuse telleth vs that S. Augustine and the third Councell Feild pag. 248. l. 4. c. 23. pag. 246. of Carthage confirmed in the sixt generall Councell wherein Augustine was present and Innocentius Pope lyueing in that time seeme to add them to the Canon Then it seemeth by this Protestant testimonie that S. Augustines opinion approued in so greate a prouinciall Councell confirmed in a generall Councell the highest commaundeinge Iudgement by them before and by the Pope of the greatest Apostolicke See the seconde Iudge in the Christian world before in D. Feilds allowance especially in that best time when his Maiestie saith it was a Rule to all and constantly taught as the doctrine of the Church by this the greatest doctor that euer was or is like to be by these men is worthie to be credited and beleeued and by their doctrine before All men that will not be disobedient bothe in the seconde and first degree also ar bownde to embrace and followe it Now let vs heare what these Protestants will testifie of S. Hierome for their opinion in this Question of these bookes The Protestant Conference at Hampton court before Conference pag. 60. the Kinge entreateing of Protestants exceptions against these scriptures vseth these words Moste of the obiections made against those bookes were the olde Cauills of the Iewes renewed by S. Hiâ—rome in his time who was the first that gaue them that name of Apochrypha which opinion vppon Ruffinus his challendge hee after a sorte disclaymed the rather because a generall offence was taken at his speaches in that Kinde Hitherto the censure at that publicke Protestant Conference by which the Protestants grownde for deniall of those bookes of scripture and tearminge
argue thus all those Bookes which Protestants in their authorised communion booke and bookes of Honolyes allowed by their conuocation and parlament and our Kinge doe prescribe to be vsed as canonicall scriptures as well as others and are so cited and practized ought to be receaued and allowed for canonicall But those Bookes which they denie and Catholicks receaue for canonicall are suche Therefore they ought to admitt them into the Canon of Holy scriptures The Maior proposition is euident for bookes Rules lawes and directions proposed by true authoritie as those be supposed of Protestants ar to be obeyed and followed The Minor proposition is likewise l. 1. homel l. 2. homel Artic. 25. Communion B. Tabl. direct of seruice Suruey of the Booke of comm prayer pag. 27. 28. 29. 30. 31. Petit of 22. Preach exc ag hom and except 4. ag comm Booke Articl of Relig. Articul 6. moste certaine for their bookes of Homelyes receaued in the 25. Article of their Religion doe ordinarily so cite them and their Communion booke so termeth and vseth them too often to be alleadged in this place Whereuppon to be breife the Protestant Author of the Suruey of the booke of Common prayer affirmeth playnelye and often vrdgeth it That the Protestants of England must approue with the Romane Churche these bookes for canonicall So likewise doe the 22. preachers of London in their petition If any man shall Answeare that the Articles of their Religion exclude them from the canon of the scripture and so they cannot be saide to receaue them I answeare him againe that this is so farre from freeinge them in this point that it both excludeth them defineing and embraceing so contradictorie doctrines in so important busines from all hope of truthe and further proueth that these men buildeing all vppon scriptures haue either no scriptures at all or els such doubtfull vncertaine and vnresolued scriptures that true Religion which must be moste assured and infallible cannot be grownded or mayntayned by them For proofe whereof I will first recite their subscribed Article in this question and then frame my Argument Their Article is sett downe in these Articl of Rel. articul 6. definitiue wordes Holy scripture conteineth all thinges necessarie to saluation so that whatsoeuer is not read therein nor may be proued thereby is not to be required of any man that it should be beleeued as an Article of the faithe or be thought requisite or necessarie to saluation In the name of holy scripture wee doe vnderstand those canonicall Bookes of the old and new testament of whose authoritie was neuer any doubt in the Churche Of the first part of this Article I am to entreate in my chapter of Traditions hereafter Of the later part I will speake in this place onely first admonisheing my Readers in what ample maner D. Feild and others of that Religion Feild l. 3. c. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. pag. 60. 62. 63. 64. c. Feild l. 3. Titul c. 1. 2. take this worde the Churche for breuiate whereof the Titles of the first and seconde chapters of his third booke be these Of the diuision of the Christian worlde into the Greeke Latine Armenian Aethiopian and Nestorian Churches c. 1. of the harshe and vnaduised Censure of the Romanists condemninge all these Churches as Scismaticall and Hereticall cap. 2. Now this supposed I argue thus No bookes whose authoritie haue at any time beene doubted of in the Churche are by this Protestant Article to be allowed for Canonicall scriptures But all bookes that either Protestants or Catholicks receaue for canonicall haue in the Iudgment of these Protestants beene doubted of in the Church Therefore by these Protestants there be no canonicall scriptures at all The Maior proposition is euidently proued by their recited article defineing those bookes canonicall of whose authoritie was neuer any doubt in the Churche The Minor proposition is directly proued by D. Willet who writeth Willet Synop quaest 1. of scripture pag. 2. 3. edit An. 1594. and after published againe directly and at large how euery booke both of the old and new testament haue not onely beene doubted of but also denyed in this their Churche I suppose the laste edition of his booke was since the commeing in of his Maiestie my prescribed time otherwise it is so directly there proued by him that no Protestant can deny it And to shew the pitifull case of this their Protestant Article and Religion their Protestant Bishop of Wincester D. Bilson suru pag. 664. Bilson within my limitation writeth thus The scriptures themselues were not fully receaued in all places no not in Eusebius time Hee saith the Epistle of Iames of Iude the second of Peter the seconde and third of Iohn ar contradicted The Epistle to the Hebrues was contradicted the Churches of Syria did not receaue the seconde epistle of Peter nor the seconde and third of Iohn nor the Epistle of Iude nor the Apocalipse the like might be saide for the Churches of Arabia Will you hence conclude that these partes of scripture were not Apostolicke or that wee neede not receaue them now because they were formely doubted of Therefore the Protestants of England haue no certayne and vndoubted scripture if they will stand to their suscribed Articles and their owne subscription Which this Protestant Bishop before seeing the absurditie thereof hath refused to doe Therefore they may not as they doe denie those other bookes which Catholicks admitt vppon so greate and highest warrants before in Protestants Iudgment because in former tymes they haue beene doubted of as those laste recited by the testimonie of their Bishop and all the rest as D. Willet hath wittnessed haue beene To these I might add more Arguments from these Protestants true Greeke Churche and the generall Councell of Florence both allowed by some of these writers and yet alloweing and warranting for canonicall all bookes receaued by Catholicks And other Arguments by them but these ar sufficient for this matter at this time And as demonstration is made that these Protestants either haue no true scriptures at all or not the true Canon of holy scriptures So it is as euident that their Religion cannot be proued true and infallible as true Religion is by euidences that in their proceedings ar doubtfull fallible or no holy canonicall scriptures but by them excluded from that number and sacred Canon CHAPTER V. OF THE INTEGRITIE AND excellencie of the Latine vulgare translation of scriptures vsed in the Romane Church and Protestants false corrupt and erroneous Translations in their owne Iudgment and Censure NOW lett vs entreate of the vulgare Latine translation of holy scriptures handled in the next Chapter for whose allowance by these Protestants I argue by them in this maner That Latine Translation of scriptures which is to be vsed in scholes and pulpits and for antiquitie to be preferred before all others was vsed in the Church thirteene hundred yeares agoe by S. Augustine preferred
authoritie in such cases is priuate Therefore no Protestant Interpretation is binding or Iuridicall The Maior proposition is thus proued by D. Feild Feild l. 4. c. 19. pag. 235. in these wordes Wee confesse that neither conference of places nor consideration of the antecedeÌ„tia and consequentia nor lookinge into the originalls are of any force vnlesse wee fynde the thingâ— which wee conceaue to be vnderstoode and ment in the places interpreted to be consonant to the Rule of faithe And hee writeth thus againe priuate Interpretation Feild pag. 226. is not so proposed and vrged as if they would binde all others to receaue it The Minor proposition That all Protestant expositions in respect of a bindeing and Iuridicall power are priuate is thus proued by this Protestant Argument No Interpretation or Interpreters wanteing Iurisdiction and authoritie to commaunde their Interpretations and expositions in matters of faith to be beleued as suche is to be accompted byndeing and Iuridicall But all English Protestant Interpretations expositions and definitions by their owne Iudgment want this bindeing and commaundeing authoritie in matters of faithe Therefore they are not Iuridicall and byndeinge to be beleeued The Maior is euidently true for where there is not power and authoritie in things those things cannot be rightly and iuridically commaunded or bindeing men to doe or beleeue them The Minor proposition is proued by D. Feild in these wordes As before wee made Feild pag. 228. three kinds of Iudgment the one of discretion Common to all the other of direction Common to the Pastors of the Churche and a third of Iurisdiction proper to them that haue supreame power in the Church So likewise wee make three kindes of Interpretation the first priuate the seconde of publickâ— direction and so the Pastors of the Church may publickly propose what they conceaue of it And the third of Iurisdiction and so they that haue supreame power that is in the Bishops assembled in a generall Councell may interpreate the scripture and by their authoritie suppresse all them that shall gaynesay such Interpretations and subiect euery man that shall disobey such determinations as they consent vppon to excommunication and Censures of the like nature Hitherto D. Feilds wordes playnely declareing that in his Iudgment the Protestants neither haue nor can haue this Iuridicall and commaundeing Iudgment or Interpretation because as is proued by themselues before they neither haue had nor can haue any generall Councell in which alone he placeth this Iurisdiction and bindeing power For proposeing without authoritie which hee giueth there to Bishops is not Iuridicall and coactiue If hee shall answeare that in the first three hundred yeares there was no generall Councell and yet matters of Religion were decided and embraced hee condemneth himself and all Protestants in this busines for either hee must leaue that primatiue Church absolutely without Iurisdictâ—on and power which is moste absurde or leaue it to them that both truely claymed and vsed it the Popes of Rome as these Protestants haue before acknowledged And aboue all men D. Feild must be of that opinion for hee Feild pag. 202. hath written and allowed in this maner Wee must reuerence the authoritie of all Catholiâ—ke Doctors whose doctrine and writeings the Church alloweth wee must more regarde the authoritie of Catholicke Bishops more then these the authoritie of the Apostolicke Churches amongst them more especially the Church of Rome of a generall Councell more then all these Therefore by this Protestant Doctor in tyme when generall Councells cannot be the highest deciding and Iuridicall sentence and power is in the Church and Pope of Rome And by this hee is also preuented from sayinge that Protestants may commaunde such Interpretations and definitions within their owne temporall Territories for so they should not moste reuerence and respect next to a generall Councell the Church of Rome the next Iudge as hee hath written but quite the contrary their owne stubborne and disobedient wills which in such causes is Hereâ—icall or Scâ—maticall vsurpation and yet D. Feild in his diuision of Interpretations before assigneth no Iurisdiction at all to inferior Bishops to commaunde either in the whole Church or in Prouinciall in such cases Further I argue thus No opinions or Articles not grownded vppon the worde of God are to be beleeued or commaunded as matters of faith But all Protestants deductions and Interpretations in these controuersies are such not grownded vppon the word of God therefore not to be beleeued or commaunded as Articles of faith The Maior is the Common doctrine of Protestants The Minor is proued both before when Protestants haue depriued themselues of Councells Popes and all true proposers of the word of God tying themselues to their owne doctrines and deductions and is thus further confirmed by D. Couell in these wordes Couell def of Hook pag. 85. Doctrines deriued exhortations deducted Interpretations agreable are not the word of God Therefore the whole Religion of Protestants against Catholicks beinge thus fownded vppon so deceatefull a grounde as humanee deduction is cannot truely and Iuridically be commaunder Yet it is so manifest to all that their Religion consisteth wholly on their Imagined Interpretations and deductions that Mr. Wotton and Wottoâ— def of Perk. pag. 467. c. others are enforced absurdely to say that deduction from scripture maketh a matter of Faithe otherwiâ—e hee â—annot make any articlâ— of faith to be in their doctrine against vs. And D. Feild himself so resolute before against these priuate Interpretations and expositions seemeth to be of the same minde to defend their Religion in makeing such deductions to be matters of faith by euery priuate deduction his wordes be these Wee Feild pag 226. say that men not neglâ—cting that light of direction which the Churche yeeldeth noâ— other helps and meanes may be assured out of the nature of the things themselues the Conference of places the knowledg of tongues and the sutable correspondence that one parte of dyuine truth hath with an other that they haue sownde out the true meaneinge of it And by this assurednes hee seemeth to vnderstand assurednes of faith makeing their priuate deductions and Interpretations the worde of God as M. Wotton before cited doth in Wotton def of Perk. pag. 467. these wordes Wee acknowledge both and holde all matters concludeth Logically out of the scriptures to be the word of God as well as if they were expressely sett downe in it worde for worde Therefore I may lâ—wfully take it is a Common Protestant doctryne both Doctor Feild and M. Wotton speakeinge for their Protestants in the plurall number wee say wee acknowledge c. so that by their Religion M. Feilds or M. Wottons Logicke vaine and vncertayne deduction is of higher authoritie and more to be beleeued then any generall Councell or Articl of Relig. art 21. other externall Rule of Religion for all these by them as is presently to be proued may erre euen in
Iude his Epistle Iosephus Pag. 79. 80. Origen Tertullian S. Augustine Beda Procopius Gazaeus and others that Enoch did write diâ—ine things And thus they add it is probable that Noah had seene and might preserue this booke For it is not likely that so exquisite knowledge as these men had was sodenly inuented and fownd out And entreating how the booke of the battailes Pag. 306. cap. 5. §. 7. with others of holy scriptures had beene lost thus they write it seemeth probable that such a booke as this there was and that the same should now be wantinge it is not straunge seeing so many other volumes filled with diuine discourse haue perished in the longe race of time or haue beene destroyed by the ignorant and malitious heathen Magistrate For the bookes of Henoch howsoeuer they haue beene in later ages corrupted and therefore now suspected are remembred in an Epistle of Thaddaeus and cited by Origen and by Tertullian That worke also of the Patriarke Abraham of formation which others bestowe on Rabbi Achiba is no where fownde The bookes remembred by Iosua c. 10. v. 13. and in the second of Samuel c. 1. v. 18. called the booke of Iasher or Iustorum is also loste The booke of Chozai concerninge Manasse remembred in the second of Chron. 33. v. 18. and 19. of this booke also lost Hierome conceyues that the Prophet Isay was the author The same mischaunce came aswell to the story of Salomon written by Ahia Silonites as to the bookes of Nathan the Prophet and to those of Ieedo the Seer remembred in the second of Chron. c. 9. v. 29. with these haue the bookes of Shemaiah and of Iddo remembred in the second of Chron. c. 12. v. 15. perished and that of Iohn the sonne of Hanain cited in the second of Chron. c. 20. v. 34. also that of Salomons which the Hebrues write Hiscirim of 5000 verses of which that part called Canticum Canticorum onely remaineth 1. Kings 4. 32. and with this diuers other of Salomons workes haue perished as his booke of the natures of trees plants beasts fishes c. 1. Kings 4. 33. with the rest remembred by Origen Iosephus Hierome Cedrenus Ciccus Aesculanus Picus Mirandula and others Of Pag. 307. these and other bookes many were consumed with the same fyer wherewith Nebuchadnessar burnt the temple of Hierusalem Hitherto this Protestant discourse of the necessitie of vnwritten traditions not onely before the scriptures were written but after so many bookes of holy scriptures dictated by the holy Ghost hauing vtterly perished Except wee will say which God forbid that God reuealed and published in holy scriptures so many needles and fruitelesse things or els so many necessary and diuine Reuelations haue alltogether beene loste and concealed from those that should beleeue and keepe them CHAPTER VIII WHERE THE HIGHEST supreame Iudiciall definitiue authoritie of generall Councells is both proued to be such by these Protestants To binde all Christians in matters of Religion to approue the doctrine of the Church of Rome and condemne protestancie THE next Question is concerninge generall Councells of what authoritie and commaunde they are in controuersies of Religion and whether the Doctrine of the present Churche of Rome or that of English Protestants is proued and confirmed by them in the sentence of these Protestants themselues Toucheinge their power and commaunding authoritie in these causes I argue thus Whatsoeuer in controuersies of Religion is the highest Iudge the onely remedie to redresse errors hath soueraigne authoritie is aboue others to be appealed vnto hath authoritie to interprete scriptures and to supresse all them that gaynesay such interpretation and subiect euery man disobeyeing suche determinations to excommunication and Censures of like Nature and aboue all other Iudgments is moste to be reuerenced and respected in the opinion of Protestants must also by them be allowed for the supreame highest and laste not to be appealed from Iudgment in this world in such questions But by the testimonie of these Englishe Protestants a generall Councell is of these preeminences in these matters Therefore by them the supreame moste bynding vncontroleable and Iudgment not to be appealed from or denyed by any The Maior proposition is euidently true for that which is supreame and highest cannot be Inferior vnto any neither that which hath commaunde and authoritie ouer all can possibly be vnder the controlement and correction of any none being left to be superior vnto it The Minor is proued by these Bilson Suru pag. 82. Morton part 2. Apol. pag. 340. l. 4. cap. 18. Relat. cap. 47. Protestants following The Protestant Bishop of Winchester D. Bilson hath these words The authoritie of generall Councells is moste holsome in the Church and hee citeth S. Augustine to that purpose D. Morton writeth thus Concilium publicum est summus Iudex a generall Councell is highest Iudge The Protestant Relator of Religion nameth it the onely remedie in such times of controuersies D. Sutcliffe hath Sutcliffe subu pag. 119. Sutcl ag D. Kell pag. 41. 42. 102. these wordes generall Councells haue soueraigne authoritie in externall gouernment And thus againe False it is that wee will admitt no Iudge but scriptures for wee appeale still to a lawfull genenerall Councell Wee holde all the Christian faith explaned in the sixe generall Councells D. Feild hath written thus Bishops assembled in a generall Feild pag. 228. Councell haue authoritie to Interprete scriptures and by their authoritie to suppresse all them that gaynesay such Interpretation and subiect euery man that shall disobey such determinations as they consent vppon to excommunication and censures of like nature And Feild l. 4. cap. 5. pag. 202. as before is cited alloweth this sentence Wee must reuerence and respect the authoritie of all Catholicke Doctors whose doctrine and writings the Church alloweth wee must more regarde the authoritie of Catholicke Bishops more then these the authoritie of the Apostolicke Churches amongst them more especially the Church of Rome of a generall Councell more then all these Now to proue that generall Councells thus allowed by these Protestants for the highest and irreuocable Iudgment cannot by their owne doctrine proue their Religion to be true and so consequently no Inferior authoritie Iustifie their cause I argue in this maner whosoeuer by publicke decree and constitution doe condemne generall Councelle of error and to be a fallible and deceatefull Rule in Matters of Religion and haue no other meanes to finde the truth cannot pretend their Religion to be infallibly true as matters of faith and reuealed of God are by such testimonies But the English Protestants are in this condition concerninge generall Councells Therefore their Religion neither is nor can by their owne proceedings be warranted and proued by them to be true The Maior proposition is euident for no Iudgment erroneous and fallible can possibly make any matter or question free from error and infallible otherwise a thinge might be effected and
caused without a cause The Minor proposition is manifestly proued by these Protestants in this order for they haue before condemned all other Rules which they haue of error as their parlement Kings Censure and all priuate Interpretations and made them subiect and controleable by generall Councells as hauing authoritie ouer all parsons D. Feilds wordes of allowance after hee had with others graunted generall Councells to be supreame bynding and commaunding all be these Wee must obey without scrupulous questioninge with all modestie of Feild pag. 202. minde and reuerence of bodye with all good allowance acceptation and repose in the wordes of them that teach vs vnlesse they teach vs any thinge which the authoritie of the higher and superior controlleth Immediately before hee had allowed the supreame and highest Iudgment to generall Councells and the next to the Pope and Church of Rome Then Protestants teacheing contrarie to superior and higher authoritie in the Pope are to be condemned by him But notwithstanding all this to make their cause desolate and demonstrate that their Religion hath no warrant of truth and Infallibilitie at all Thus they write of this highest Rule of generall Councells euen in their publick Articles of Religion Articles of Relig. art 21. generall Councells may erre and sometime haue erred euen in things pertayninge vnto God Wherefore things ordeyned by them as necessarie to saluation haue neither strength nor authoritie vnlesse it may be declared that they be taken out of holy scripture Therefore how truely or certainely soeuer generall Councells make decrees and definitions in matters of faith they giue no validitie to Protestant Religion if in themselues they should approue it for by their cited Article their ordination hath neither strength nor authoritie as it is the decree of the generall Councells but as it may be declared by a priuate Protestant writer Prince Parlament or Conuocation in their conceipt to be taken out of scripture and yet before they haue tolde vs a generall Councell commaundeth all all must submitt themselues vnto it and all other their Rules be erroneous and deceatefull Therefore by these Protestants neither generall Councell nor any other Rule assigned by them can by any possibilitie proue their Religion true Further I argue thus No societie people or professors of Religion which by their owne confession neither haue nor by their proceedings can hereafter haue or haue heretofore had any generall Councell or meanes to assemble and call it can in reason pretend it for their cause But the state of Protestants by their owne confession is such Therefore generall Councells cannot be pretended for them The Maior proposition is euidently true for esse and beinge must needs in all things goe before operari and workeinge by them For as by nature nothinge can be made of nothinge so that which wanteth being and is not can produce nothinge The Minor proposition is likewise manifestly true for neuer any Protestant nor altogether so much as clayme authoritie or Iurisdiction in this matter none amonge them pretending it further then their owne particular temporall dominions which all vnited together neuer like to be are farre to shorte and vnequall to make a Councell generall which they say excludeth none especially of the greate patriarkes of Rome Constantinople Alexandria and Antioche not one of them being for them but all with their whole precincts limitts subiects and ditions against them by their owne confession To this I add the Censure of their owne Protestant Relator in these wordes The Protestants Relation of Religion cap. 47. are seuered bandes or rather scattered troopes each drawing diuers way without any meanes to pacific their quarrells to take vpp their controuersies No Prince with any preeminence of Iurisdiction aboue the rest no Patriarke one or more to haue a Common superintendance of care of their Churches for correspondencie and vnitie no ordinary way to assemble a generall Councell of their part the onely hope remayninge euer to assuage their contentions And yet if they could haue meanes for such a meeteing of Protestants so few in number and weake in Iurisdiction by their owne graunte in regard of Catholicks and other Christian Kingdomes and prouinces different to them in Religion this would be farre from the leaste shewe and name of an vniuersall and generall Councell such as they allowe to Iudge and sentence in this busines Neither can these men now deny the necessitie of generall Councells hauing so much allowed them for supreame sentencer before and appealed to a generall Councell to be assembled Neither may they compare their so desolate estate with the primatiue Church of the first three hundred yeares for themselues haue graunted before that a supreame and commaunding binding power ouer all was not onely claymed but lawfully and iuridically exercised and executed by the Popes of Rome in those times in all partes of the Christian world and both power and authoritie to approue and reproue Councells was belongeing vnto them by publickly receaued Canon in those dayes And herevppon I argue in this maner that generall Councells are for the doctrine of the Church of Rome Whatsoeuer Church in the primatiue time of Christianitie was endowed with such priuiledges that euery thinge was voide that was done without the consent of the Bishop and Ruler of it and no Councell could be called without his allowance and at this present hath by the graunte of Protestants a common Father aduiser and conductor to end Iarrs displeasures differences to keepe Religion in vnitie by Councells when no other Church enioyeth these immunities must needs in all reason be sayde to be warranted and defended by generall Councells But the Church of Rome is by the graunte of Protestants in this Condition Therefore warranted and defended by generall Councells The first proposition is euidently true for hee that from the begynning had these prerogatiues to approue or disproue Confirme or inualidate Councells cannot be conceaued to haue ratified or confirmed any thinge against the immunities and Common receaued doctrine of that Church so exalted dignified and priuiledged aboue all others of the whole Christian worlde and against his owne supreame and eminent Authoritie The Minor proposition is thus proued first D. Couell sheweth that an hundred yeares before the Nycene Councell in the yeare of our Lorde 2â—5 when there was no Emperour Christian to call Councells as Protestants would pâ—rsuade the world they did and should the Pope of Rome had this prerogatiue to call Councells Therefore from the begynninge by preeminence of his See seing there had not beene either generall Councell or Emperour to giue it vnto him His wordes be these The synode of Rome called Couell ag the plea of the Innoc. pag. 110. by Cornelius Pope of Rome against Nonatus consisted of threescore Bishops and many others of the cleargie Where wee see Heresie condemned and â—â— that scarcetie of Bishops in those first dayes of Christianitie so greate in Councell assembled by the Popes authoritie
venerable Imadges commaunding the making and vse of them In the last Canon they giue diligent and longe directions Can. 102. vnto preists how to behaue themselues in aduising and absoluing penitents in the Sacramen◠of penance Therefore I may conclude that Protestants Religion is vtterly condemned by generall Councells both of the primatiue Church and latter ages And consequently by all other Iudgments in the Church of Christ Because these men haue told vs that all Bishops Doctors and Professors of Religion are bownde to followe the definitions of generall Councells CHAPTER IX WHEREIN IS PROVED BY these Protestants That the authoritie of the primatiue Fathers is to be receaued and followed in matters of Religion And how it wholly proueth the present doctrine of the Church of Rome vtterly condemninge all Protestant Religion THE authoritie and value of the Testimonie of the auncient Fathers and that they taught and approued the doctrine of the present Churche of Rome euen by the graunt of these Protestants is euident in the laste Chapter for being of that opinion in generall Councells and publicke assemblies and sentences to which by their owne consent and subscription they submitted and bownde themselues as to their lawfull and commaunding Rule they could not and might not teache and write otherwise in priuate then in publicke themselues and others had authoritatiuely concluded Yet for a full satisfaction to Protestants in all things I will breefely entreate of these also as they wer◠priuate writers And first of their authoritie I argue thus Whoso euer allowe in shewe and wordes amonge the Ignorant Readers or hearers of their writings and sermons the authoritie of the auncient and primatiue Fathers to procure people to beleeue that their Religion and doctrine agreeth with them as men teaching and writing the truthe and to that purpose doe yeeld vnto them greate respect and reuerence ought truely and syncerely to beleeue and embrace their Religion But these English Protestant writers be such Therefore they ought and are bownde to followe and embrace their doctrine The Maior proposition is euidently true for as dissimulation craftie and double dealeinges to delude and deceaue others in all thinges is a vile and abominable synne against truthe charitie and Iustice so in matters of Religion wherein not the least equiuocation of to saue a mans life may be vsed it must needs be an offence moste damnable and deuelishe The Minor proposition is thus proued by these Protestants Their Protestant Bishop D. Bilson writeth thus The Bilson suru pag. 85. auncient consent of godly Fathers is with greate care to be searched and fallowed of vs cheifely in the Rule of faith And agayne Wee rest vppon the Pag. 82. sup scriptures of God vppon the authoritie of the auncient Doctors and Councells And maketh the same reason with Vincentius Lirinensis in these Pag. 83. sup words Leaste euery man should wrest the scriptures to his fansye and sucke thence not the truthe but the patronage of his error And hee addeth that S. Augustine gaue this respect not onely to generall Councells but to the testimonies of particular Fathers Irenaeus Ciprian Hilarius Ambrose Gregory c. Chrisestome Basil and others D. Sutcliffe writeth thus Wee Sutcl subuers pag. 87. acknowledge the faith of the Fathers of the fourth fift and sixt ages and adioyne our selues to that Church And to credite his cause and make his readers beleeue hee consenteth with those Fathers hee speaketh in this maner The Fathers in all points of faith are for vs Protestants Sutel ag D. Kell pag. 17. and not for the Pope D. Willer knowing of what little credit his bare worde is euen by his Protestants as appeareth hereafter would procure creditt to his protestancye by damnable periury in these wordes I take God to wittnesse before Willet Antilog pag. 263. whome I must render accompt c. That the same faithe and Religion which I defend is taught and confirmed in the more substantiall points by these Historians Councells Fathers that liued within syne or sixe hundred yeares after Christ And further Pag. 264. sup thus It is moste notoriously euident that for the grossest points of Popery as Transsabstantiation sacrifice of Masse worshipping of Imadges Iustification by workes the supreamacie of the Pope prohibition of Mariage and such other they of the Romane Churche haue no shewe at all of any euidence from the Fathers within syue hundred yeares of Christ In all which questions amonge others I am to proue the contrary be these Protestants themselues hereafter in their place And in an other page of the same treatise hee writeth thus The auntient Fathers that liued within sixe hundred yeares of Christ are Willet Antil pag. 271. K. speache in parl An. 1603 conference at Hampt pag. 73. against them His Maiesties speach in parlament it this I will euer yeeld all reuerence to antiquitie And in their conference For my parte I knowe not howe to answeare the obiection of papists when they charge vs with nouelties but to tell them their abuses are new And hee approueth the dayes of Constantine for a Rule in Religion saying Constantine is not to be appeached of superstition but thinges then vsed may still be continued Confer pag. 69. But now it shall appeare that these Protestant Doctors and Ministers are so far from iustifying these their oathes protestations and assertions they be enforced to acknowledge those primatiue Fathers doe allowe teache and approue the doctrine of the present Romane Churche which these men impugne and persecute and for that cause doe not onely deny the authorities of those primatiue learned and holy Fathers but call and censure them with vnciuill barbarous contemptuous and Irreligeous names and phrases For proofe whereof I argue thus Whatsoeuer Sect Religion or People being vrged by such testimonies as Protestants haue giuen for allowance of the Fathers authorities before to followe them accept of their doctrine and stand to their Iudgment in these controuersies of Religion doe vtterly refuse and disallowe it though his Maiestie should approue it but say they are vnfit Iudges in controuersies of diuinitie that their Iudgment is little to be respected their testimonie is not worthe answearing there is no probabilitie in their opiniōs they are not to be beleeued deserue not credit are not credible to be admitted are not fitt Iudges were to partiall are to bee forsaken contemned and dispised such men cannot with any apparance of truthe affirme those primatiue Fathers and Doctors to allowe their Religion and proceedings or defend their cause by their Authorities But these Protestants Doctors and Ministers of England be such Therefore those Fathers are not for their Religion The Maior proposition is to manifestly true and the Minor is proued also by these Protestants themselues in this maner M. Wotton expressely controlleth the Kings sentence before concerninge Wotton def of Perk. pag. 15. 16. the time of Constantine and antiquitie his wordes be these the
triall of Doctrine is not to be fetched from the opinions and examples of men And agayne It may not seeme straunge if superstition were crept into the Church before Constantines time M. Ormerod scoffeth Ormerod pict pag. 78. at the authoritie and testimonie of S. Anacletus Pope of Rome that liued in the Apostles time and was a glorious Martyr for Christ because hee proueth the supreamacie Middleton papistem pag. 200. of the See of Rome from the graunt of our Sauiour M. Middleton doth the like by Papias lyueing with the Apostles for the same doctrine M. Hull condemneth for like causes allmoste all the blessed Popes Hull Rom. pol. and Martyrs Bishops of Rome from S. Peter the Apostle with in the first foure hundred yeares as shall be cited hereafter D. Couell before hath stiled S. Augustine with Part. 2. cap. Ceremonies Wotton def of perk pag. 8. pag. 17. 9. 88. the greatest commendation of learninge yet M. Wotton writeth Wee neede not feare S. Augustine though against vs. Eusebius is to be reprehended There was want of modestie and truthe also in the treatise of Hierome against Vigilantius The auntieÌ„t Fathers spake more like philosophers then dyuines It is more then I knowe that Gregory is a Sainct The Author of the Epistle to the Philippians attributed to S. Ignatius is an vnfitt Iudge in Wotton sup pag. 118. 224. 422. 440. 462. controuersies of diuinitie Tertullians wittnesse is of small authoritie Damascen is not greately to be respected Oâ—igen is generally condemned Ignatius epistle to the Romanes approued by S. Hierome and Protestants also is a counterfaite Ignatius for Pag. 340 Pag. 387. Pag. 467. Pag. 494. Pag. 495. teaching meritt of good workes Ciprian is toe farre caryed away since hee ascribeth to almes daes the purgeing of sinne Irenaus Iudgement is little to be respected Tertullians testimonie is not worthe answeareinge Tertullian and Origen may be ioyned together Chrisostoms Rhetoricke is better then his Pag. 499. Logicke Hieroms authoritie in case of single life is not murch worth Those Christian Fathers which condemned Pag. 500. Iouinian as S. Augustine Ambrose Hierome c. delt vnchristianly with him The Pag. 519. Pag. 520. authoritie of the auntient writers Athanasius Augustine Hierome concludeinge a worke of perfection from those wordes of Christ goe sell all c. is Pag. 543. not to be admitted The authoritie of Clement of Alexandria and Augustine with the schoole Doctors is inferior to the Iewes Origen and Theodoret whome before hee preferreth before S. Pag. 545. 546. 584. 594. Augustine ouerthrowe their owne distinction Lactantius though hee were an auntient Christian yett in his verses of worshipping the Crosse hee sheweth himself liker a light Poet then a graue writer And as hee hath vsed all the learned Fathers of the primatiue Churche for teacheing the doctrine of the present Church of Rome so he exclameth as barbarously and vndutifully against all Christian Kings of this and other nations for the same cause his wordes be these The Wotton def of perk pag. 53. Ormer pict pag. 44. Kings of England and Scottland c. were Sathanes Souldiers when they were of the Popes Religion M. Ormerod disalloweth S. Leo because hee taught that God assisted the See of Rome in decres For the like reason D. Downame reiected the authoritie of many holy Popes and Martyrs of that Church in her best dayes when it was a Rule to all accordinge to his Maiesties Censure Down lib. 1. Antichr cap. 3. pag. 35. 36. because to vse his wordes Diuers Bishops of Rome before the time of Socrates the Historian contented to haue the primacie ouer all other Churches and that is the cheife scope of many of their epistles decretall Yet this was as our Kinge Conference at Hampt pag. 75. Perk. problem pag. 4. hath told vs when it was a Rule to all and when no man might seperate himself from the doctrine of that Churche M. Perkins hath written thus The Fathers haue spoken many things incommodiously of holy thinges The auncient Fathers did Pag. 93. 94. Pag. 105. Pag. 184. synne in the Inuocation of Saincts yea were guiltie of sacriledge such were Paulinus Fortunatus S. Leo S. Ephrem S. Fulgentius Petrus Damianus Prosper The auncient Fathers sometimes speake inconueniently of the Article of Iustification Some of the auntient Fathers as Tertullian and Cyprian are Montanists or at the leaste doe erre filthely for making Confirmation a Sacrament D. Sutcliffe Sutel subu pag. 5. Pag. 8. Pag. 9. Whoe before made so much shewe of reuerence to the Fathers writeth thus Metaphrastes is a lyeinge pedant writeinge more lyes then leaues Bede reporteth to many thinges by heareasy Ado is a fabulous writer The Historie of Kinge Lucius his conuersion testified by so many authorities Pag. 19. May well be parogoned with the tales of Kinge Arthure Sir Tristram and Lancelot Duâ—acke The Brittaynes haue cause to detest the memorie of Augustine That holy Sainct syrnamed the Apostle of our nation for conuertinge iâ— M. Ormerod is not onely at defiance with Ormer paganop pag. 44. all Fathers for teaching that Christ descended to comforte the Patriarkes and Fathers deade before him but compareth the Article and beleefe of Christs descending into Hell for such purpose to the fable of Hercules fayned to goe thither and fetche from thence Theseus Peâ—ithous and Cerberus the greate dogge of Hell with three heades as the poets Imagine M. Middleton Middleton papistom pag. 40. writeth thus The credit of men is but a sandy foundatiâ—n to builde vpon Meaninge the holy primatiue Fathers of the Church and scoffingly telling that greate Sainct and Pag. 27. Doctor S. Epiphanius that hee loste the booke of Pag. 45. the Apostles Constitutions out of his bosome which hee cited Haeres 45. hee addeth of him thus I must craue leaue to say of Epiphanius many assertions hee counted for Heresies which were not Heresies many assertions hee counted not Heresies which are Heresies And all this because hee condemneth diuers Protestant opinions of Heresie and iustifieth the doctrine of the Church of Rome against them Against S. Middleton sup pag. 49. Dionysius the Areopagite for teaching prayer for the deade hee scoffeth in this maner Denys his aunsweare is shortheeld readie to fall backe When S. Ambrose approueth Christs reall presence in the blessed Sacrament and Transsubstantiation hee writeth of him thus Pag. 61. Pag. 64. hee is gultie of presumptuous and desperate blasphemye At S. Chrisostome hee scoffeth and teacheth him how hee should speake because hee teacheth the doctrine of prayer for the deade And vseth this mocke against him callinge Pag. 66. sup it an apostolicall Tradition well might Chrysostome say the Apostles knew what profite redownded to the deade by prayer for them for himself knew not And thus in generall The Fathers sometime went beyonde the boundes of sobrietie in the doctrine Middlet sup Pag.
how farre the compasse precincts and bownds of their Regiments should extend whome to whome should be obedient and subiect who Gouernor and Superior I trust no man will be soe obstinately willfull as to resist the holy Ordinance of God his holy spouse our Mother Churche the sacred primatiue Pastors thereof renowned Saincts and Martyrs and the sentence of our Kinge himself before cited as to call these Religeous Ceremonies now after soe many hundreds of yeares into question Especially to vse and conclude with D. Couell his words in this Couell exâ—m pag. 65. poynt The primatyue Councells haue condemned them as Hereticks onely for being stiffely opposite in this kinde And againe of such English Protestants They haue done nothing els but vntile the Pag. 61. howse that the Rafters beames and the mayne timber might with the violence of tempests more speedely perish And thus much of this Question CHAPTER XII Of Indulgences AFTER these by the Relators direction I am to entreate of indulgences and laste of straunge languadge in deuotions bothe which being by his estimation of those things which in Religion are dispensable and not essentiall to be beleeued I might passe ouer as entreated of and allowed before by these Protestants in the laste chapter amonge so many other holy Ceremonies and accidentall practizes and customes in the Church of Christ Yet to satisfie all desires I will speake in particular also of these Questions And first of Indulgences in which I argue thus Whosoeuer graunt that the Church hath authoritie and power both to forgiue syns and to remitt the seueritie or punishment due for syn must needs graunt the Catholicke doctrine of Indulgence being nothing els but such Relaxation But the English Protestants doe or by their writing must graunt this forgiuenes of synne and release of paine due for synne Therefore they doe or ought to allowe the Catholicke doctrine of Indulgence The first proposition is euidently Caiâ—â—an tract 15. c. 5. Sot dist 21. q. 1. ar 3. Abul q. 90. in 16. Matth. Ledes p. Sot alij Feild l. 1. c. 17. true by the common acceptance and definition of Indulgence both with Catholicks and Protestants which is a Release of payne for synne enioyned or to be enioyned The Minor proposition is proued from D. Feild in these words The true Churche admitteth and receaueth all that with sorrowfull repentance returne and seeke reconciliation how greate soeuer their offences haue beene not forgetting to vse due seueritie which yet shee sometime remitteth And reciting the causes of such remission hee addeth thus The due and iust consideration mouing the Church to remitt some thinge of her wonted seueritie is either priuate or publicke perill And for proofe of this doctrine hee citeth 1. Corinth 2. v. 8. 9. 10. that place of S. Paule to the Corinthians of graunting Indulgence or relaxation of payne to the incestuous parson Whereby manifestly appeareth that in this Protestant Doctors Iudgment authoritie and power ought to be allowed to the Church to release and remitt seueritie and punishment due for synne which is the same which is termed Indulgence Neither can hee finde any euasion by distinguisheing between penances enioyned and not enioyned For that power facultie and authoritie which can enioyne penance and after it is enioyned rebeace it againe cannot be interpreted but at leaste in that supreame Pastor to whome the highest prerogatiue of binding loosing and releacinge is committed to haue habilitie to pardon remitt or releace it before it be enioyned Secondly thus I argue That doctrine and practize which the auncient primatiue Bishops of Christs Churche held and vsed is true and to be continued But the doctrine and practice of Indulgences is such Therefore true and to be continued The Maior proposition is euidently true often graunted before by these Protestants and the Minor thus proued by D. Feild in these wordes The auncient Bishops Feild sup l. 1 c. 17. pag. 33. were wont to cutt of greate partes of enioyned penance which remission and relaxation was called an Indulgence And that is to noe purpose which hee addeth immediatly in these termes Out of the not vnderstanding whereof grewe the popish pardons and Indulgences For first how more probable it is that the Bishops of the Romane Church immediately and successiuely succeeding these auncient Bishops practizeing the true doctrine and vse of Indulgences should continually preserue it and vnderstand it then those which by interposition of a thowsand and more yeares come after them and without any order episcopall or preistly but by vsurpation and intrusion as is proued by these Protestants themselues in this treatice teach and of their owne heads propose the contrary secondly his exceptiue addition destroyeth his entent for which it is alleadged and Protestants opinion in this poynt for the substance of Catholicke doctrine concerninge Indulgences to make it a releace of payne due for synne is the same with the practice of those auncient Bishops by him allowed as is proued before and in all congruitie hee that both can inflict and take away punishment can much rather take it away without infliction for hee that can doe twoe things can muche more and with greater facilitie doe one of them because this one is conteyned in those twoe and power of doeing the one of necessitie must needs be graunted to him that hath power to doe bothe especially the highest Ruler and Gouernor in such things Thirdly thus I argue Whatsoeuer doctrine or practize these English Protestants teache or exercise in their publicke and iudiciall courts and Consistories that they may not denye to be lawfull But in such authoritatiue places and Iudgments they allowe and approue the Catholicke doctrine concerninge Indulgences Therefore they may not deny it The Maior proposition is manifestly true otherwise two contradictories might be true and in Religion which is vnpossible The Minor also is as euidently certayne by their ordinary and vsuall release and relaxation of payne and seueritie due for synne against the auncient primatyue Canons allowed by them and by no pretext iustifiable but by way of Indulgence as appeareth playnely in their proceedings And this euen in cases and causes scandalous moste requiring satisfaction and penance in their owne doctrine If they thinke their Relaxation or Indulgence therein to be frustrate their dealings therein be impious and they deceauers if they allow them for iust they also allowe Indulgences being nothinge els but a release of such penance and seueritie as before If they will not blushe to say that the money or bribes giuen by the penitents to them their wyues or Seruants doth satisfie this is friuolous and in the grownds of Protestants denying good deeds if these were such to be satisfactory and meretoreous more then foolish and ridiculous to be affirmed And against D. Feild his two Feild sup l. 1. cap. 17. considerations mouing the Church to such Indulgence or release which hee telleth vs be priuate or publiâ—ke perill insinuating that
in his Iudgment the Indulgence or release as the nature thereof requireth must be free and liberall and not a commutation or chaunge for guifts or money which in Protestants denying the enioyninge of penance must needs be wicked and Symoniacall Fourthly thus I argue Whosoeuer graunt and allowe Authoritie to absolute penitents in confession both a paena culpa from the punishment and guilt of synne must mayntaine the doctrine of Indulgences But these English Protestants graunt authoritie to absolue both from the guilt and punishment of synne therefore they must mayntayne the doctrine of Indulgences The Maior proposition is often proued and allowed before The Minor is thus demonstratiuely confirmed out of the communion Booke receaued in the Kings Canons where in the Com. Booke Tit. visitat of the sicke treatise of the visitation of the sicke their Rule and direction is sett downe in these wordes Here shall the sicke parson make a speciall confession if hee feele his conscience troubled with any weightie Matter After which confession the preist shall absolue him after this sorte Our Lord IESVS CHRIST whoe hath left power in this Church to absolue all sinners which truely repent and beleeue in him of his greate mercie forgiue thee thine offences and by his authoritie committed to mee I absolue thee from all thy sins in the name of the Father and of the Sonne and of the holy Ghost Amen Where wee see not onely a Iuridicall and authoritatiue absolution from all sins giuen by Protestants diuinitie by the Preists as there they call their Ministers expressed in these Iudiciall and iuridicall words the Preist shall absolue him Christ hath left power in his Church to absolue all sinners by his authoritie committed to mee I absolue thee from all thy sins c. But also as full and powerable authoritie arrogated and vsurped of them to giue plenatie pardons and Indulgences of the seueritie due for sin before by their owne confession and that in more lardge illimited and ample order then the Pope himself teacheth or practizeth For first they generally hold that notwithstanding any punishment or seueritie that such a parson had deserued for his sinnes yett after their such absolution and authoritatiue Indulgence without any penance to bee performed either in this life or in Purgatorie which they deny presently after the separation of his soule from the bodie hee is in heauen and euer dureing happines Secondly their Rubricke and Religion is to giue these plenarie pardons to all requesting them Thirdly euery priuate minister is allowed to giue these plenaries which neither Preists nor Bishops themselues with vs can ordinarily doe Fourthly they giue these there plenary Indulgences without any iust cause or any cause of pietie at all which the Pope himself neuer doth concerning Bull. Martini Extrau vnigenitus such punishments for sins as are payed in purgatorie or the like as is euident not onely by the writings of all moderne Catholicks of this time but by these lawes Clementâ—â— 6. Bonau d. 20. 1. p. q. vlt. Ric. ibidem q. 1. ma. q. 2. Gabr. lect 57. in can Missa GersoÌ„ q. de hacre Aug. de Ancon in summa q. 30. ar 4. 5. Adr. Ca. Sot Cord. Ledesm q. 20. c. Canons and former Catholicke Doctors here cited and others Lastely thus I argue whosoeuer teach the distinction of mortall and veniall sins depriuinge not depriuing of grace allowe seueritie punishmeÌ„t for sinne both coÌ„mitted and remitted denying purgatorie say all the elect presently after death are in heauen must needs teach the doctrine of Indulgences and in more ample maner then catholicks doe But the English Protestants before and commonely soe teache Therfore they must so allowe of Indulgences Bothe propositions are euidently true and confessed by Protestants and neede no probation Therefore the catholick doctrine of Indulgences may not bee denied by English ProtestaÌ„ts They theÌ„selues though in words denying yett in practice exercisinge it in an higher measure then is vsed by the Pope himself as I haue proued before And may further add from their communion booke where it is registred in these wordes In the Com. Booke tit commination § Brethren primatiue Church there was a godly discipline that at the begynninge of Lent such parsons as were notorious synners were putt to open penance and punished in this world that their soules might be saued in the day of the Lord and that other admonished by their example might be the more afraide to offend That the said discipline may be restored is a thinge much to be wished Where they graunt not onely a punishment for example of others to take heed to offend and to satisfie their congregation but to satisfy God for their syns committed against him by their words to be putt to penance and punished in this worlde that their soules might be saued in the day of the Lorde For as their frend M. Higgons publickly preached and with priuiledge printed As Theoph. Higg ser 3. Mart. An. 1610. there is a death in syn and a death to syn so there is a double resurrection the first à culpa from syn the second à paena from the punishment which followeth therevppon Therefore these men graunting such temporall punishments due for syn euen when and where the culpa syn or guilt is forgiuen and yett not exercising any such discipline or punishment for syn must needs in their owne proceedings allowe of Indulgences in a farre more large ample or rather prodigall and presumpteous maner then is or at any time was vsed in the Church of Rome CHAPTER XIII Of the publicke Seruice of the churche in Latine or greeke and not in the vulgare Tonges NOW lett vs speake of the Relators laste scruple a straunge Tonge in deâ—â—tions as hee termeth our latine church seruice which allthough it bee both in it self and his Iudgment a matter ceremoniall in Religion and soe entreated of and proued before yett I will breefely iustifie it by these Protestants themselues in particular and argue thus That which was the practice of the churche of Christ from the first conuersion of nations vnto him vntill this age of Protestants is still to bee obserued or lawfully may But the publicke church seruice to bee in the latine tonge in this part of the worlde wherein wee liue was euer soe vsed and practized Therefore still it ought or may bee soe lawfully continued The first proposition is euidently true and before often graunted by these Protestants The seconde is thus proued by D. Doue Protestant Bishop of Doue persuasion Pag. 23. 24. cap. of prayer Peterboroughe his words bee these Vntill of late sc these dayes of protestancie throughout the west part of the worlde publicke prayers were in Latine in the east part in Greeke euen amonge those nations to whome these languadges were no mother tonges And this the confesseth to haue beene the custome from the first conuersion of nations For these two
further prophesieth of other calamities to the Land after his death Queene Elfrida this greate patronesse of those wicked Marriadges and Murderesse of that blessed Kinge Martyr acknowledged her error and did perpetual penance for those Impieties their owne words thereof bee these Elfrida the second wise of Kinge Edgar procured the Theat pag. 372. n. 17. murder of Kinge Edward her sonne in lawe that her owne sonne Ethelred might come to the crowne and afterwards to purifie his and her husbands ghost and to stopp the peoples speaches of so wicked a fact shee founded the Abbeis of Amsbury and Whorwell in the Pag. 374. n. 10. counties of Wiltshire and South-hampton in which later shee liued with greate repentance and penance vntill the day of her death But both the life and death of them that repented not was by these mens relation odious and execrable I will onely exemplify in two Kings Ethelred before related and Kinge Edwyne before him both maintayners of Preists marriadge of Kinge Edwyne they write in these words Theat pag. 366. n. 7. 8. Pag. 369. n. 2. 3. Kinge Edwyne the day of his coronation before his nobles sittinge in counsell at that age not aboue thirteene yeares old with shamelesse and vnprincely lust abused a lady of greate estate and his neare kinsewoman Hee was a greate enemy vnto the Monkish orders whom from the monastery of Malmesbury Glastenbury and others hee expelled placing married Preists in their Romes Dunstan likewise the Abbot Saint of Glostenbury hee banished the Realme for his ouerbold reprehensions c. His subiects deny him obedience And sett vpp Prince Edgar his brother in Mercia and Northumberland not fully fourteene yeares old Edwyne then raigninge in a still decaying state was held of such is subiects in no better esteeme then was Iehoram of Iudah who is said to haue liued without beeing desired for very greefe whereof after foure yeares of his Raigne hee ended his life His wife thought to bee to Neare in the blood royall to bee matched with him in spousall bedd the subiects dislikinge of the vnlawfull marriadge the cause of Dunstans banishment failed by degrees to performe their duties to their Kinge and her they likewise forced to a seperation in the third yeare of his regardlesse gouernment The miseryes and punishments of Kinge Ethelred and this Kingedome for his syns they recompt in this maner Ethelred not able Theat pag. 376. 377. to resist the Danes his subiects not loueing him payeth vnto them 10000. pounds to depart An other peace hee purchaseth with 16000. pownds The next composition 20000. pownds Then 24000. pownds Then 30000. pownds and lastely 40000. pownds vntill the land was emptied of all the coyne the Kingdome of her glorye the nobles of courage commons of content and the Soueraigne of his wonted respect and obseruaunce The miseryes of this land for the syns of the patrons of such marriadges as now be defended and honoured in England which then it felt are to many and lamentable to be remembred at this time And a man may iustly call it a straunge Example that amonge other straunge punishments of Kinge Henry the eight that greate patron of Cranmer that marryed bishop that mared Religion and supreame head of such a Church that in his life time so iumbled tumbled and tumbled the world together should haue no better commendation of these Protestants now but to be ranked by them as the cheifest amonge wicked and iustly punished English Kings in their late published history of the worlde in these words Now for Kinge Henry the eight if History of the world in pref all the pictures and patterns of a mercilesse prince were loste in the worlde they might all agayne be paynted to the life out of the story of this Kinge And because Protestants memoryes serue them not to call to mynde the holynes sanctitie and Saints that haue beene in our English Catholicke Cleargie but like filthy swyne desyre to tumble moyle and roote in dyrt lett them cast ouer their accompts throughe out the historyes of this kingedome begynning with their owne Marriadges and tyme and so ascendinge to the first conuersion of this land to Christ and it will be no difficult Auditt to make that they themselues and those which were marryed as these be were the moste disordered prophane and irreligeous that were in our English Cleargie lett them make the calculation I may not now intend it my methode will not allowe it Being fittest for such as be partakers of such impieties Onely to begyn their reckoninge I must putt them in mynde out of their Theater and other their owne historyes penned by Protestants That as this Kingedome of our English or saxon Christians hath beene but twyse conquered and ouerrunne once by the Danes then by the Normans the greatest miseries and punishments it hath endured So the same their Theater other histories and Protestant writings neuer obiect vnto vs more Married and disordered Preists and cleargie men then at those tymes God of his mercy graunt that their third state of married ministers presage vs better bydeings and bring vs greater comforts Of vowes and profession of perpetuall chastitie and other workes of perfection it is further entreated in the proper question of such holy and religious life and conuersation CHAPTER XVIII OF PVRGATORIE AND PRAYER for the deade AFTER this lett vs entreate of prayer for the deade and Purgatorie And because these Protestāts before haue giuen so greate allowance to the Greeke Church especially D. Feild Intituling the 5. chapter of his third Feild l. 3. c. 5. in titul booke Of the nature of scisme and kindes of yt and that it no way appeareth that the Churches of Greece c. Are hereticall or in damnable schisme And it is their common assertion that the doctrine of purgatorie is onely taught by the Romane and not Greeke Church I will first thus argue from the authority thereof That doctrine which is taught by that Church which is neither hereticall nor damnably scismaticall cannot bee hereticall nor damnable but orthodoxe and Catholicke But the doctrine of Purgatorie is taught by this so Iustified Church the Greeke Church Therefore not hereticall nor damnable But orthodoxe and Catholicke The first proposition is euidently true for it is the doctrine and practice of any companie or priuate parson that giueth vnto it the denomination Hereticall Schismaticall Orthodoxe c. The second proposition is proued by these Protestant Testimonies following First the Protestant Relator writing of this Greeke Church speaketh thus With Rome Relation of Relig. c. 53. or c. 54. they concurre in the opinion of transsubstantiation and generally in the seruice and whole bodie of the Masse in praying to Saincts in auriculare confession in offeringe of sacrifice and prayer for the deade and these without any or with no materiall difference They hold Purgatorie also and worshipping of pictures Therefore these doctrines of purgatorie the rest must needs
Minor proued out of their publickly allowed and reconfirmed Communion Booke Where in the Buriall of the deade their Ministers are appointed to pray for the partie deceased in these words That wee with this our Brother and all other departed Comm. Booke Tit. Buriall of the dead◠neare the end §. allmightie God in the true faith of thy holy name may haue our perfect consummation and blisse both in body and soule in the eternall and euerlasting glorie Amen If this prayer that people deceased may come to heauen bodie and soule man hath no other part to be prayed for is not to pray for the dead nothing can be called praying for the deade and for their saluation And so I end this Question with this sentence of M. Higgons in his publick sermon Theophil Higg serm 3. Mart. 1610. at S. Paules Crosse giuing a reason of this doctrine in these words As there is a death in syn and a deathe to syn soe there is a double resurrection The first a culpa from syn the second a paena from the punishment which followeth thervppon Which must needs be the temporall punishment of syn the grownde of Purgatorie and satisfaction after death being oftentimes not satisfyed answeared or to vse his owne phrase not risen from in this life For the eternall punishment of hell due for greate syns is euer remitted and risen from in his resurrection a culpa from syn Otherwise a man now intituled heire of the kingedome of heauen and saluation should also be guiltie of hell and damnation saued and damned in heauen and hell together And vppon this and other such holy grownds these Protestants in their late Theater recompt vnto vs so many hundreds Theat of greate Brit. c. of Religeous howses fownded by holy Kings princes and others in England to pray for the soules of themselues their Auncesters posteritie and other Frends CHAPTER XIX TEACHEING HOW THERE be 7. Sacramentes in number by these Protestants accordinge to the doctrine of the Romane Church HAVEING ended all other Questions to the full satisfaction and accordinge to the requests and demaunds of Protestants desiringe to be satisfied therein and performing this from themselues and owne writings I will proceede in the same maner in the Articles of the holy Sacramentes and first of their number thus sett downe in the Councell of Trent There be seuen Sacraments Concil Trid. decret de Sacrament of the new lawe instituted by IESVS CHRIST our Lorde neither more nor fewer Baptisme Confirmation Eucharist Penaunce Extreame Vnction Orders Matrimonie For defence and proofe of which doctrine by these Protestants themselues thus I argue Whatsoeuer doctrine a confessed true generall Councell hauing authoritie to bynde all by these Protestants before hath determined in this question is to be receaued and followed But the Catholicke doctrine of the Romane Churche concerning seuen Sacraments is thus determined by such generall Councell and bynding authoritie Therefore to be receaued and followed The first proposition is graunted before and must needs be thought so equall to all Protestants that how soeuer they thinke of the infallible sentence of such assemblies in matters of faith yet none of them may be soe partiall but to preferre a generall Councell to any Protestant assemblie censure sentence or decree The second is euidently proued supposeing what is written before euen by Protestants of the generall Councell of Florence and for such with the doctrine thereof not onely acknowledged by D. Willet and M. Parkes but Willet Limbom Parkes pag. 137. 180. Gennadius in defens concil Flor. Concil Florent de Sacramentis nouae legis by the Patriarke of Greece himself in his defence thereof Where it is thus decreed both with assent of Grecians Armenians Nouae legis septem sunt Sacramenta scilicet Baptismus Confirmatio Eucharistia Poenitentia Extrema Vnctio Ordo Matrimonium c. There are seuen Sacraments of the new lawe that is Baptisme Confirmation Eucharist Penance Extreame Vnction Orders and Matrimonie Which doe muche differ from the Sacraments of the olde lawe for they did not cause grace but did onely figure that it was to be giuen by the passion of Christ But these of ours bothe conteyne grace and giue it vnto them that worthely receaue them Hitherto the decree of that holy generall Councell receaued by all Christendome Latines Armenians Iacobynes Grecians From whence I further argue in this maner Whatsoeuer doctrine essentiall in Religion such as Sacraments be is taught by the true Church that is neither hereticall nor Scismaticall is to be embraced But the doctrine of seuen Sacraments as the Romane Church teacheth is such being likewise taught by the Protestants true Greeke Churche therefore to be embraced The Maior is also proued in the laste Argument and further confirmed in the Censure of the Greeke Church vppon Protestants in these words There is an holy Hierém in censur cap. 7. Catholicke and Apostolicke Churche of all true Christian men In this Catholicke and true beleeuing Church there be seuen diuine Sacraments Baptisme the Vnction of holy Oyntment holy Communion Orders Matrimonie Penance and the oyle of Extreame Vnction And they further prosecute as also the cited generall Councell of Florence doth the institution forme matter effect and other things belonging to these seuen holy Sacraments according to the present doctrine of the Romane Churche Againe I suppose that Catholickes in their definition of the Sacraments of the new lawe requiring a conteyning and giueing of grace by these holy Sacraments besides their signification thereof being onely signes Seales c. as the common Protestant opinion is to be farre more restricted and limited then that of Protestants because many more thinges be and may be signes of any thinge then bothe signes and causes as appeareth to be true in all genericall and specificall differences For example vnder animal a lyuing creature are conteyned more then vnder animal rational◠a lyueing creature with reason onely limited to man who otherwise abstractinge from his rationalitie is with all other lyueing creatures comprehended Vnder the Genus Animal a lyueing Creature So a Signe of grace as well agreeth to the Sacraments of the old lawe as to those of the Ghospell but not to conteyne and giue grace Onely proper to those of the new Testament as is recited before from the generall Councell of Florence and is at Concil Trident. decret d◠Sacramentis ecclesiae c. lardge sett downe against Protestants in the Councell of Trent This supposed which no man can deny I argue thus All things that agree with the definition of a Sacrament be Sacraments But according to Protestants all those seuen before remembred Baptisme Confirmation Eucharist Penance Extreame-Vnction Orders and Matrimonie agree with and haue the definition of a Sacrament Therefore they are Sacraments The Maior is euident because in Logicke the thinge defined and definition are conuertibles as this man and a reasonable creature Whoesoeuer is the one
of hande is Diuinae ordinationis and de iure diuino The ordinance of God and by his diuine lawe From which doctrine graunted by them in so publicke assemblie one of their owne fellowes in Religion inferreth this conclusion in these termes If the English Protestants opinion bee maintained Certaine coÌ„s pag. 46. that Bishops Iurisdiction is de iure diuino his Maiestie and all the Nobilitie ought to bee subiect to excommunication Neither do I vrdge these Protestants Authorities The Authors inteÌ„t and meaning by prouing seuen SacrameÌ„ts by Protestants how to bee vnderstood either for this or the other Sacraments that I seeme to graunt vnto Protestants that number of seuen Sacraments to bee among them to whome as to other Hereticks of any other now want a true and lawfull succession in orders as they do I can onely allow two Sacraments Baptisme and Marriage whereof the first for the necessitie thereof may bee in such cases of extremitie as this Inundation of heresie is not onely bee administred by Hereticks but Infidells themselues retayning the true matter forme and Intention due in that holy Sacrament And the other of Matrimony not requiring as of the essence thereof the operation of the Preist Yett do I not graunt the grace of this Sacrament to any Protestant or other out of vnitie of the Catholicke Church out of which as there is no saluation so no grace to bee hoped for bringing men to eternall beatitude But seeing this number of seuen Sacraments hath beene so much Impugned by Protestants and denied by them to bee in the true Catholicke Church which before I haue proued the present Church of Rome to bee I haue now made demostration by them selues that by their owne proceedings they ought to allow this number vnto the Church of Rome And now I proceede in like maner to Matrimonie and Extreame vnction and in the first I argue thus That which hath an externall or visible Matrimonie a Sacrament by English ProtestaÌ„ts signe or Ceremonie instituted of God signifying or giuing grace and sanctification is an holy estate honorable representing the grace of vnion betweene Christ and his Church is a Sacrament But Matrimonie is such therefore a Sacrament The Maior consisteth of the Protestant definition of a Sacrament wholly conteyning it and more them Protestants require vnto it and so cannot by them bee denied The Minor is proued by their owne publike directorie where in the treatise intituled The forme of solemnization of Comm. Booke tit Matrim §. dearely c. Matrimonie it is called in these termes Holy Matrimonie an honorable estate instituted of God signifying vnto vs the mysticall vnion which is betweene Christ and his Church which holy estate Christ adorned and bewtified with his presence and first miracle And in an other place it is named holy wedlocke §. For asmuch c. To which purpose tendeth also that their prayer ouer those that bee married in these words God the father God the sonne God the Sup. §. God c. holy Ghost blesse preserue and keepe you the Lord mercifully with his fauour looke vppon you and so fill you with all spirituall benediction and grace Againe thus I argue That externall visible ceremonie or signe that is consecrated of God to such an excellent misterie as to signifie the spirituall Marriadge betwixt Christ and his Church and by the grace and bonde whereof men are bound to loue their wyues as their owne bodies to leaue Father and Mother to whome by nature wee are so much bownde and to bee but one fleesh with his wiffe c. must needs bee a Sacrament But Matrimonie is such by Protestants of England Therefore by them to bee esteemed a Sacrament The Maior is manifestly true in it self And the Minor in those §. ô God §. all yee which words and more expressely to proue it a Sacrament sett downe in that their publicke directorie in the places here cited And had not the licentious wantonnes of these men soe much for their ownc lasciuiousnes mayntayninge Marriadge and accomptinge it an holy state in those of the cleargie in whom the holy Fathers before name it incest sacriledge and matter of excommunication disliked of the inseperabilitie betweene man and wife which beeing graunted for a Sacrament it bringeth with it they would neuer haue denyed vnto it that dignitie and denomination To which soe often and many pluralities of wiues in their ministry it self and some Protestant Bishops amonge them vntill a little restraint was ordayned by his Maiestie in parlament are more then The Sacrament of Extreame vnction Iacob 5. v. 14. 15. sufficient testimonie in this case That Extreame-Vnction is a Sacrament by their Articles and S. Iames his doctryne in his epistle â—eceaued by them for canonicall is more then manifest And soe manifest that except credible Protestant Testimonies deceaue mee greater Protestant Authoritie hath soe graunted then these their Doctors may contradict In which I will bee silent and onely add in this place that their Communion Booke it self and their common doctrine conteyned in their Catechisme there set downe to bee beleeued of all sufficiently insinuate that either there be seuen Sacraments as Catholicks beleeue or at the leaste more then two accordinge to their Article doctrine before For in proceedinge dialoguewise by question and answeare their words be these Question How CommunioÌ„ Booke Tit. Catechisme many Sacraments hath Christ ordeyned in his Church Answeare two onely as generally necessary to saluation that is to say Baptisme and the supper of the Lorde Where the words generally and necessary to saluation do emply that there be others not generally to be receaued of all as Matrimony is peculiar to the marryed Orders to cleargie men c. neyther are these absolute necessary to saluation otherwise the vnmaryed and virgyns could not bee saued all women which are vncapable of preisthood should be damned and none but cleargie men saued c. And these Protestants doe not holde that those words generally necessary to saluation are essentiall to the definition of a Sacrament which they define in the next words followeinge in this maner By this word Sacrament I meane an Catechis supr outward and visible signe of an Inward and spirituall grace giuen vnto vs ordeyned by Christ himself as a meanes whereby wee receaue the same and a pledge to assure vs thereof Which aswell proueth the Catholick doctryne that Sacraments giue grace of which hereafter as also that which I haue vrged in this place CHAPTER XX. PROVING BY THESE PROtestants the Catholicke doctrine of an Indeleble Character in the Sacraments of Baptisme Confirmation and Orders CONCERNING the Catholicke doctrine of the Church of Rome teaching a spirituall Character to bee impressed in some of these Sacraments and hitherto denyed by Protestants The Councell of Trent hath thus defined In three Sacraments Baptisme Confirmation CoÌ„cil TrideÌ„t Sess 7. cap. 4. and Orders a Character is