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it_o wherefore_o in_o both_o their_o epistle_n dedicatory_a they_o propound_v it_o and_o blame_v it_o as_o a_o thorn_n in_o their_o eye_n that_o may_v not_o be_v endure_v our_o opponent_n b._n dispute_v against_o this_o at_o large_a but_o according_a as_o i_o have_v do_v before_o so_o will_v i_o do_v now_o his_o long_a and_o tedious_a discourse_n shall_v be_v contract_v into_o a_o narrow_a room_n lest_o the_o reader_n be_v weary_v with_o the_o length_n and_o puzzle_v with_o the_o matter_n yet_o still_o his_o own_o word_n and_o true_a intent_n shall_v be_v follow_v thus_o than_o he_o say_v 1_o in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v some_o good_a 2_o they_o teach_v well_o touch_v the_o trinity_n 3_o the_o dominican_n maintain_v god_n free_a grace_n against_o man_n freewill_n 4_o much_o good_a be_v in_o the_o twelve_o book_n of_o alvarez_n and_o in_o the_o interpretation_n and_o commentary_n of_o maldonat_n lorynus_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o jesuite_n pag_n 90._o 5_o we_o agree_v on_o 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the_o scripture_n and_o of_o christ_n come_v to_o save_v sinner_n by_o the_o voice_n of_o humane_a faith_n though_o it_o be_v in_o word_n never_o so_o plain_a and_o express_v yet_o it_o give_v not_o be_v to_o the_o church_n for_o the_o church_n subsi_v in_o itself_o and_o differ_v from_o all_o other_o society_n by_o supernatural_a not_o by_o natural_a or_o humane_a endowment_n and_o this_o i_o take_v as_o grant_v in_o the_o second_o sense_n the_o proposition_n be_v true_a namely_o the_o profession_n even_o in_o so_o many_o word_n of_o these_o fundamental_a truth_n there_o be_v scripture_n christ_n come_v to_o save_v sinner_n by_o the_o voice_n of_o divine_a faith_n be_v the_o very_a soul_n of_o the_o church_n and_o so_o essential_a thereto_o that_o without_o it_o there_o can_v be_v no_o christian_a church_n and_o where_o that_o be_v the_o church_n be_v also_o because_o it_o be_v so_o operative_a wheresoever_o it_o do_v incline_v that_o all_o other_o thing_n requisite_a to_o a_o 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