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A86003 Male audis or An answer to Mr. Coleman his Malè dicis. Wherein the repugnancy of his Erastian doctrine to the word of God, to the solemne League and Covenant, and to the ordinances of Parliament: also his contradictions, tergiversations, heterodoxies, calumnies, and perverting of testimonies, are made more apparent then formerly. Together with some animadversions upon Master Hussey his Plea for Christian magistracy: shewing, that in divers of the afore mentioned particulars he hath miscarried as much, and in some particulars more then Mr Coleman. / By George Gillespie, minister at Edinbrugh. Published by authority. Gillespie, George, 1613-1648. 1646 (1646) Wing G754; Thomason E317_16; ESTC R200545 44,904 65

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Christ there spoken of is as Mediator and he is given to the Church only which I cleared by the Syriak And him who is over all he gave to be the head to the church But his being over all there spoken of if understood of glory dignity excellency over all so Christ is over all as Mediator yea in regard of the exaltation of his humane nature and this helpeth not Master Coleman who intends to prove from that place That all Government even Civill is given to Christ as Mediator But if understood of a Kingdome and Government over all so he is over all as he is the eternall Sonne of God or second Person of the Trinity and not as Mediator Secondly The Question which the Reverend Brother fals upon concerning the personall inhabitation of the Holy Ghost will never follow from any thing which I said more then Gods giving of his Sonne to us will inferre a personall inhabitation of the Sonne of God in us That which I said was to this intent That both the Sonne of God and the Holy Ghost are given not as God essentially that is in respect of the Godhead it self or as they are one in nature with the Father for so the Father that giveth and the Holy Ghost which is given could not be distinguished but the Sonne is given as the Sonne proceeding from the Father and the Holy Ghost is given as the Holy Ghost proceeding and sent from the Father and the Sonne whether he be given to dwell personally in us or by his gracious operations onely is another question which hath nothing to doe with the present argument and therefore I will not be led out of my way The Eleventh Heterodoxy is this I see an absurdity to hold that every man in authority is either Christs Vicegerent or the Divelo Maledicis pag. 16. Here I make this inference Heathen and Infidell Magistrates either they are not men in authority or 2. They are Christs Vicegerents or 3. They are the Divels Maledicis If he say they are not men in authority he shall contradict the Apostle Paul who cals them Higher Powers Rom. 13. 1. and men in activity 1 Tim. 2. 2. speaking in reference even to the Magistrates of that time which were Infidels If he say they are Christs Vicegerents Then 1. I must say that Christ as Mediator reignes without the Church and is a King to those to whom he is neither Priest nor Prophet 2. He must finde a Commission given by Christ to the Infidell Magistrate 3. Whom in authority will he make to be the Divels Vicegerents if Infidell Magistrates be Christs Vicegerents If he say that they are the Divels Vicegerents then it followes 1. That they who resist the Divels Vicegerent resist the Ordinance of God for they that resist an Infidell Magistrate and doe not submit to his lawfull authority which his Infidelity takes not away is said Rom. 13. v. 2. to resist the Ordinance of God 2. That the Apostle Paul bade pray for the Divels Vicegerent 1 Tim. 2. 1 2. The Reverend Brother doth but more and more winde himselfe into a lab erinth of errors while he endeavours to take away the distinction of the two fold Kingdome and the two fold Vicegerentship of God and of Christ The twelfth Heterodoxy followeth Now it is true that Christ being God as well as man hath of himselfe originally as God whatsoever he hath by vertue of gift as Mediator Maledicis pag. 13. Now subsume Christ hath by vertue of gift as Mediator the Priestly office Ergo By Master Colemans Principles Christ hath of himselfe originally as God the Priestly office And if Christ hath it of himselfe originally as God then the Father and the Holy Ghost hath it also so that by his Doctrine the Father and the Holy Ghost shall be the Priests of the Church as well as Christ for Christ hath nothing of himself originally as God which the Father and the Holy Ghost have not likewise The thirdteenth last errour concerneth the office of Deacons Not onely a Widow but a Deacon is denyed to be a Church-Officer or to have any warrant from Scripture I hold not a Widow a Church-Officer saith he no more doe I a Deacon both having a like foundation in Scripture which truly is none at all Maledicis pag. 9. If this was his opinion formerly why did he not in so maine a point enter his dissent from the Votes of the Assembly concerning Deacons together with his Reasons Well his opinion is so now whereby he runneth contrary not onely to the reformed Churches which it seemes weigh not much in his ballance but to the plaine Scripture which speakes of the Office of a Deacon 1 Tim. 3. 10. and this could be no civill Office but an Ecclesiasticall Office for the Deacons were chosen by the Church were ordained with Prayer and laying on of hands and their charge was to take speciall care of the poore all which is cleare Act. 6. If he had given us the grounds of his Opinion he should have heard more against it CHAP. V. The Prelaticall way and Tenents of Master Coleman and Master Hussey Repugnant also in divers particulars to the Votes and Ordinances of Parliament 1 MAster Coleman in his Re-examination page 14 makes the Parliament to be Church-Governours and Church-Officers to the whole Kingdome It was an Argument used against the Prelates that Ecclesiasticall and civill Government Spirituall and Secular administrations are inconsistent in the same Persons either of which requireth the whole man It was another exception against the Prelate that he assumed the power of Church-Government and Ecclesiasticall Jurisdiction over the whole Diocesse which was much more then he could discharge How will Master Coleman avoid the involving the Parliament into Prelaticall guiltinesse by his Principles which we avoyd by ours 2 The Prelates sought great things for themselves rather then to purge the Church of scandalls What other thing was it when Master Coleman in his third Rule instead of exhorting to the purging the Church called onely for learning and competency and told it out that this will get us an able Ministery and procure us honour enough Master Hussey in his Epistle to my selfe tells me that our attending on reading Exhortation and Doctrine without Government will obtaine the Magistrates love more honour more maintenance something for shame he behooved to adde of the punishing of sinne yet he will not have the Minister called from his Study to be troubled or to take any paines in Discipline but behold the love of the Magistrate more honour and more maintenance are strong ingredients in the Erastian Electuary 3 Master Hussey will have Ministers placed without any regard to the allowance or dis-all●wance of the people Epist. to the Parliament This is Prelaticall or rather more then Prelaticall 4 The Prelates were great enemies to ruling Elders So are Mr. Coleman and Mr. Hussey who acknowledge no warrant from the Word of God for
THE Preface to the Reader AS I did not beginne this present Controversie so I doe not desire to hold up the Ball of contention yet having appeared in it neither alone nor without a calling and opportunity offered I hold it my duty to vindicate the truth of Christ the solemne League and Covenant the Ordinances of Parliament the Church of Scotland and my selfe for this end was I borne and for this end came I into the world that I might beare witnesse to the truth Wherunto I am so much the more encouraged because it appeareth already in this debate that magna est vis veritatis great is the force of truth and so great that my Antagonists though men of parts and such as could doe much for the truth yet while they have gone about to doe somewhat against the truth they have mired themselves in fowle errors yea so farre as in them lieth have most dangerously shaken and endangered the authority of Magistrates who are Gods Vice-gerents and particularly the authority of Parliament and of Parliamentary Ordinances they have stumbled and fallen and shall not be able to rise but by the acknowledgement of the truth In this following Reply I have not touched much of the argumentative part in Master Hussey his plea for Christian Magistracy reserving most of it to an other worke unto which this is a Prodromus howbeit much of what he saith is the same with what I did confute in my Nihil respondes and his Booke comming forth a moneth after takes no notice of that second peece of mine but speaketh onely to the first Meane while let him not believe that his bigge-looking Title can like Gorgons head blockify or stonify rationall men so as they shall not perceive the want or weakenesse of Argument It hath ever beene a trick of Adversaries to calumniate the way of God and his Servants as being against authoritie But I will by Gods assistance make it appeare to any intelligent man that the Reverend Brother hath pleaded very much against Magistracy and so hath fallen himselfe into the ditch which hee hath digged for others whiles I withall escape But now what may be the meaning of Master Colemans Cabbalisticall Title male dicis maledicis Great philologs will tell him that maledico is taken in a good sense as well as in a bad according to the difference of matter and circumstances If any kind of malediction be justifiable it is maledicere maledicis to speake evill to evill speakers for as he loved cursing so let it come unto him as he delighted not in blessing so let it be farre from him But he doth worse and his Title with a transposition of letters will more fitly reflect upon himselfe male dicis de amicis you Sir speake evill of your friends and of those that never wronged you For my part I have not shared with him in evill speaking nor rendred revilings for revilings I am sorry that he is so extreamly ill of hearing as to take reason to be railing and good sayings to be evill sayings He applyeth to himselfe the Apostles words Being reviled we blesse But where to finde these blessings of his those unwritten verities I know not I am sure he had spoken more truly if he had said being not reviled we doe revile For the matter and substance of his Reply there are divers particulars in it which serve rather to be matter of Mirth then of Argument as that a Parliament parasite cannot be called an abuser of the Parliament and that passage How can a clause delivered in a post script concerning my opinion of my way be abusive to the Parliament A great priviledge either of post-scripts or of his opinions that they can not be abusive to the Parliament Many passages are full of acrimony many extravagant and not to the point in hand many void of matter concerning such Lactantius gives me a good rule otiosum est persequi singula It is an idle and improfitable thing to prosecute every particular And much more I have in my eye the Apostles rule let all things be done to edifying I have accordingly endeavoured to avoid vaine jangling and such debates as are unprofitable and unedifying making choice of such purposes as may edifie and not abuse the Reader Peradventure some will think I might have wholly saved my selfe this labour I confesse I doe not looke upon that which I make Reply unto as if it were like to weigh much with knowing men yet the Apostle tells mee that some mens mouths must be stopped and Hierome tells me there is nothing written without skill which will not find a Reader with as little skill to judge and some men grow too wise in their owne eyes when they passe unanswered Besides all this a vindication and clearing of such things as I mentioned in the beginning may by Gods blessing anticipate future and further mistakes Reade therefore and consider and when thou hast done I trust thou shalt not think that I have lost my labour I pray the Lord that all our controversies may end in a more cordiall union for prosecuting the ends expressed in the Covenant and especially the Reformation of Religion according to the word of God and the example of the best reformed Churches and more particularly the practicall part of Reformation that the Ordinances of Jesus Christ may be kept from pollution prophannesse and scandals shamed away and pietie commended and magnified MALÈ AUDIS CHAP. I. That Master Coleman doth still contradict himself in the stating of this present Controversie about Church-government IT was before both denied and yeelded by Mr Coleman that there is a Church-government which is distinct from the Civil and yet not meerly Doctrinal He did professe to subscribe heartily to the Votes of Parliament and yet advised the Parliament to do contrary to their Votes as I proved in Nihil Respondes pag. 3. He answereth now in his Maledicis pag. 4. I deny an Institution I assent to Prudence Where is the self-contradiction now and pag. 5. The advice looks to Jus Divinum The Parliament votes to Prudence Sir you have spoken evil for your self you have made the self-contradiction worse Will you acknowledge you own words in your Sermon pag 25. Lay no more burthen of Government upon the shoulders of Ministers then Christ hath plainly laid upon them have no more hand therein then the holy Ghost clearly gives them The Ministers have other work to do such as will take up the whole man c. I fear an ambitious ensnarement c. and in your Re-examination p. 14. He should have said I advised the Parliament to lay no burthen of Government upon them whom he this Commissioner thinks Church-officers then had he spoken true Now let the Reverend Brother take heed to check-meat and that three several wayes but let him not grow angry as bad players use to do For 1. Eo ipso that he denies the Institution
comparing Scripture with Scripture which is the best way that I know to clear Scripture Why did he not answer my proofes But beside all that I said of Reformation had I not other three Doctrines out of that Text comprehending all that which Master Hussey hinteth as omitted by me and yet intended in the text Dare he say that I did not take in purgation by the Word though I confesse he doth not well prove it from the words which he citeth Is not my word an hammer but it is proved by the words which he citeth not Is not my word like as a fire Did I not expressely say that Christ is to us as a refiners fire and as fullers sope three wayes by reformation by tribulation by mortification Did I not handle the last two as well as the first Oh let no more any such grosse calumnies be found among those who professe to be Brethren Secondly Master Hussey in his Epistle to my self gives it out that I say We have leave from the Civill Magistrate to preach the Gospel which he interprets as if I denied that we preach the Word with Authority from Christ It was de facto not de Jure that I spake it The Magistrate hath power in his hand to hinder both Doctrine and Discipline if he be an adversary though it be the will of Christ that there be both Doctrine and Discipline and the Authority of both is from Christ When the Magistrate assisteth or countenanceth or so much as he doth not hinder the preaching of the Gospel then he gives leave to it Thirdly Master Coleman in his Maledicis pag. 1. saith I am confident the Church of Scotland sent this Commissioner to dispute down our reasons not to revile our persons Maledicis Maledicis pag. 1. Why did he not if he could give instance of some reviling word written by me against his person I have not so learned Christ The Lord rebuke every railing and reviling Spirit I have given him reason against railing he hath given me railing against reason I spake to his doctrine he speakes to my place and relation which is both the Alpha and Omega of his Maledicis Thirdly ibid. Knowledge saith he is onely with Mr. Gillespie others understand neither what they say nor whereof they affirms He will sooner bring water out of flint then prove this consequence out of my Title page Although I confesse himselfe hath affirmed divers things of the Church of Scotland which he doth not understand as I have made plainely to appeare If he take a review of the Title page of his re-examination he gives more ground for this consequence that Mr. Coleman is the onely man that denies himselfe others seeke great things for themselves Or from the Title page of his Maledicis this consequence will be as good that Mr. Coleman is the onely man that blesseth others are revilers Fourthly Thus saith Mr. Coleman O y●e Honourable House of Parliament Take you notice that you manage that great place of yours under Christ and for Christ He is your head and you are his servants And take you notice withall that Mr. Gillespy accounts this your reproach Maledicis Maledicis pag. 17. But O ye Honourable House of Parliament be pleased to take notice of my owne plaine expression of my minde in my Nihil respondes pag. 13. The Christian Magistrate manageth his Office under and for Christ that is so as to be serviceable for the Kingdome and Glory of Christ And now judge whether it be sutable to the sincerity and candor of a Minister of the Gospell to endeavour to make me odious to authority by imputing to me that which not onely I did not say but the contrary whereof I did plainly expresse The thing which I charged his doctrin with was this that by holding all government to be given to Christ as Mediatour and from him as Mediatour derived to the Magistrate as his Vicegerent he shaketh the foundation of Magistracy I am sure that which I hold that all lawfull Magistrates are Powers ordained by God and are to be honoured and obeyed as Gods Vicegerents is a firme and strong foundation for Magistracy But that which Mr. Coleman and Mr. Hussey hold viz. That the Christian Magistrate holdeth his Office of under and for Christ as he is Mediator and doth act vice Christi as Christs Vicegerent gives a most dangerous wound to Christian Magistracy which I can demonstrate in many particulars I shall now give instance onely in these few First They must prove from Scripture that Christ as Mediator hath given a Commission of Vicegerentship to Christian Magistrates and appointed them not onely to be seviceable to him and to doe his worke for that they must serve Christ and be for his Glory is not controverted nay can never enough be commended to them but also to governe vice Christi in Christs stead and that not only as he is God which is not controverted neither but as he is Mediator This I say they must prove which they will never be able to doe or otherwise they doe by their doctrine leade the Magistrate into a snare and leave him in it For how shall he be acknowledged for a Vicegerent who can shew no Commission nor warrant for his Vicegerentship Secondly Their doctrine tendeth to the altering of the surest and best knowne tenure of Magistracy which is from God for they hold that God hath put all Government and all authority civill and all into the hands of Christ as Mediatour if the tenure from Christ faile then by their doctrine the tenure from God shall faile too Thirdly The Vicegerent cannot act in that capacity nor assume that power which his Soveraigne whose Vicegerent he is ought not to assume if he were personally present So that by their principles it will follow that the Christian Magistrate can act no further nor assume any other power of Government then Christ himselfe might have assumed when he was on earth or might now assume and exercise as Mediatour if he were on earth But Christ himselfe when he was on earth neither did exercise nor was sent to exercise civill Judgement Luke 12. 14. and the temporall sword John 18. 36. nor externall observation and State Luk. 17. 20 21. and he declined to be an earthly King John 6. 15. Therefore by their principles the Christian Magistrate ought to forbeare and avoide all these A fifth Calumny is this Mr. Coleman descanting upon the Governments mentioned 1 Cor. 12. 28. chargeth me with a circular argumentation he circularly argues saith he They are civill because God placed them there and God placed them there because they are civill Maledicis Maledicis pag. 9. I neither argued the one nor the other they are both Sir of your owne forging But this is not your first allegation of this kind I sometime admire what oscitancy or supine negligence to judge it no worse this can be to fancy to your selfe that I have said what you