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A11927	The three partes of commentaries containing the whole and perfect discourse of the ciuill warres of Fraunce, vnder the raignes of Henry the Second, Frances the Second, and of Charles the Ninth : with an addition of the cruell murther of the Admirall Chastilion, and diuers other nobles, committed the 24 daye of August, anno 1572 / translated out of Latine into English by Thomas Timme minister.; Commentariorum de statu religionis et reipublicae in regno Galliae. English. 1574	Serres, Jean de, 1540?-1598.; Hotman, François, 1524-1590. De furoribus gallicis.; Tymme, Thomas, d. 1620.; Ramus, Petrus, 1515-1572.	1574 (1574)	STC 22241.5; ESTC S4897	661,140	976

long before to talke of the murthering of the Gu●…se and yet it appeareth by his owne sayinge that I neuer spake vnto him or had any knowledge of him before the time that he brought Monsieur Subize his letters vnto me VVhere vppon I may truly conclude that it is neyther true nor like to be true that I should be the author of that thinge which he long before had conceiued and purposed in his mind Moreouer where as Merae was very nere of kinne to M. Rainold whom the Duke had caused to be slaine it was likely that he was enflamed and stirred vp againste the Guise by some priuate quarell and speciall hatred And as I haue declared beefore euen so of a truth the case standes vvhereby me thinke it is euident and plain that they who perswade themselues that I was the author and procurer of this murther besides that they vse very fonde and childishe reasons to proue the same do not know my nature for if so be I had charged him to doo any more then that I haue before declared I would not feare to confesse it with like franknes and boldnes And truly I would gladly aske this question of them whether they im●…gin that there was any other cause why I should cause my other answer to be published then that I desired the matter might be vnderstanded of all men And it there were any thing else why should I dissemble why should I cloake it why should I not confesse it who euer was a more deadly and open enemie vnto mee than the Duke of Guise for what other cause did he besiege Orleans but that he might vtterly destroy and cast awaye mee my wyfe and children and whatsoeuer else I held as deare and precious vnto mee yea there are men of great credite that can and will testifie that he vsed often to bragge and make his vaunts that whensoeuer the Citie were taken he would spare none neyther man woman yong nor old Neyther needeth any man to doubt that amongest all them that were in the battayle at Dreux it was he I sought for and chiefely he with whom I wished to meete And certaine it is that if I myselfe could haue discharged anie shot at him I would ful glad ly haue done it yea truely if I had ben Captain ouer ten thousand gunners I would haue charged them that they should euery one haue leueled and shot at him alone To be short I would haue left no deuise that might stande with the law of armes vntried so that I might by any meanes deliuer my selfe from an enemie so spightfull and deadly against mee and myne all good men And last of all I protest before God and his Aungelles that I commaunded nothing else but that which I haue declared in these my writings If there be any man that desiteth to knowe more let him repaire too mee and I will make him aunswer Whilest these things happened in Fraunce the Popish Prelates sat still at Trent labouring very diligently to prouide and establish the estate of Poperie with a long rable of Decrées the exact rehearsall whereof being at large already set out in a booke for that purpose shall not be néedfull to be brought in here in these oure Commentaries especially for that our onely purpose intent is briefly to shew the estate and condicion of the faithfull in Fraunce and how thei were troubled vexed in the time of Truce and how afterward they were enforced to breake out into open warre The Councell of Trent therefore did very carefully trauell in maintayning and defending the Popes authoritie and dignitie in the kingdome of Fraunce and this matter as a thing of greatest waight and importance was thorowly and most earnestly laboured of all sides And the great and large reuenew that came out of Fraunce whiche thing did chiefely enflame the zeale of those reuerend Fathers and the great daunger and present hazard they were in to loose them if the reformed Religion had preuayled did make them busily to besturre them and to take the matter in hand There was present at the Councell the Cardinall of Lorraine hauing great knowledge and experiēce in the affaires of Fraunce and a subtill and sleighty old coygner of new fetches and besides that the matter for hys owne cause stood him vppon he was also incensed with an outragious hatred and malice against the men of the reformed religion and chiefly against the trueth it self which he both knew and renounced At his request and setting on they began to consult how they might vtterly deface and roote vpp the reformed Religion out of Fraunce the readiest and fittest waye for that matter that they could deuise was that there should be a league made betwixt the King of Spayne and the King of Frāce and that the King of Spayne because it was a thing of great difficultie and could not without much a doe bée brought to passe should helpe the French Kinge at all tymes with such ayde as should be néedfull and that all wayes and meanes should be sought to abolish and disannull the Edict wherin was graunted the libertie and vse of the reformed Religion This league which was made for the rooting out of true religion the holy fathers of the Councell of Trent dyd call the Sacred and holye League The Cardinall of Lorayne doth promise all possible diligence and trauaill in this matter and that hée will perswade the King to finish the league and as for the Quéene being of herselfe prone enclining to their parte and the consents of the Nobles he accounted him selfe sure of them As the Cardinall a most bitter enemie to the reformed Religion did what possible he could for the accomplishement of these matters in the Councell at Trent the enemies of the Gospell were not idell at home in Fraunce in defacing and putting downe the Edicte and the Quéene was not onely euery day more wayward disliking of the reformed religion but was also very furiously incensed against it and dyd by all meanes shée could denise goe about to engraffe and so we hatred and malice in the tender mind of the yong King against religion that then he might proclayme perpetuall and euerlasting warre against al the reformed Churches in Fraunce The Constable Momorencie was also very forward in this matter and was very maliciously bent againste the truth bicause he purchased so great infamy and dishonour in the former warres So that the Edict had in France enemies both many in nomber and greate in power and authoritie About this time the Kinge being of the age of xiiii yeres was declared to be of ful lawfull age by the decrées and iudgemente as the maner was of all the high Courtes of parliament and within few dayes after was according to the custome solemly crowned and all such estates as had to do with the administration of the Realme as vicegerents and protectours and such other were displaced very profitablie fitly both

end that ye might not doubt of this what say ye to that which was don by Pope Paule iij. and also by Pope Iulio iij. Of the which matter I my selfe can be a sufficient witnesse and my testimonie the more worthye to be receyued for that I my selfe for bewraying this coloured deceite was constrained to depart from Trent Who knoweth not that here vpon came this prouerbe The holy Ghost is brought from Rome in a Cheste I my selfe was once a Bishop as ye be and that waye bent that ye are vntill I forsoke the Pope and got me to the Church of Christ. The which I count the greatest benefite that euer I receyued But truely those toyes and deceitfull fleightes are appointed now out of tyme in these dayes soing the cléere light of the Gospel so brightly shineth throughout the whole worlde and séeing the deceites of the Pope are so openly●… knowne Is this your generall Counsell from the which we that are the contrary part and for whose cause y same is assembled are excluded Is this I say the order of your generall Councell that the Pope shall commaund Patriarkes Archbishops Bishops and Abbates to be at the Councell shall exhort Kings and Princes also to sende their Clergye and prelates thither which are our aduersaries and seclude vs which ought to make answere before we be condemned And wheras the Pope woulde séeme greatly to desire that Kings and Princes shoulde either they themselues be presente or else their Legates and Ambassadors what a ieste and ridiculous thing is that seing they haue no definitiue voyce in the Councell but are onely lookers on Therefore in your Councels not wisedome not godlynesse not grauitie giue Councell but your Miters This and muche more he wrote which for breuities sake we omit Thus the Pope went aboute to bring to passe to haue a Councell at Trident. And now at this time the Electors and Princes of Germanie which were protestants met togither at Numburgh that they might deliberate and consulte of the Confession made at Augusta and offered to Charles the fifth in the yeare of our Lord god M. D. XXX and that bycause they heard that they were many wayes misreported of before the Emperor Ferdinando And writing letters to the Emperour they declared that they did hold fast embrace with one cōsent that confession made at Ausburgh that they were ready to giue an account of the same confession out of the word of God. While the Princes were thus occupied there came two Legates from the Pope to intreate the Princes of Germanie to come to the generall Councell The which two declared their message as followeth The one of them began thus saying That the most high bishop so soone as he was called to the most holy reuereud office of gouerning the Churche to the end he might do the dutie of a true pastor he had this care aboue al others to correct and amend whatsoeuer was amisse that the Church mighte be quiet that all nations might be of one consent minde and embrace one doctrine To bring the which thing to passe séeing he saw no better way or remedie than an assembly of a generall Councell by due aduise deliberatiō by his own authoritie also which he hath frō God hath ordained appointed a councel which shal be holdē at the feast of Easter next cōming And that the Princes might be the more fully certified of this matter to the end they ioyning their indeuor with the Popes carefulnesse might be willing diligent to procure the tranquillitie peace of Germanie they said that his holinesse greatly desiring seking the peace quietnesse of the countrey of Germanie had sent his legates to pray exhort all mē to come to y holy assembly in the which it should be lawfull for all men to speake what they would Also they intreated those Princes by name that they woulde not by any meanes hinder that godly zeale and peace of the Church the most holy Father being ready to giue vnto all men a most large Charter of the publique faithe and most solemnly to be bound to performe the same his holynesse exhorting al Princes to send their Ambassadors to that holy counsell with their commissions to the ende the controuersies of the Church in the which there are so many opinions as there are heads and so many Gospels as there are teachers maye by their industry and diligence be spéedily ended and that they also giuing that honor which is due to the Church one Faith may be kepte and one God alone adored and worshipped Thus when the first Legate had very copiously vttered his mind the other also begā in maner forme following saying that he would not repeate those things whereof his fellow before him had spoken séeing that they had all one charge and commission from the holy Father There is no man sayth he that can be ignorant of the most greuous calamities of the Church and into what miserie the same is cast one euill and mischiefe following another occasiō being giuen to the enemies of Christes name to calumniate and speake euill of the same Insomuch that of necessitie so great confusion must be prouided for a remedy sought For the dangers do require these things the oportunitie of the time persuadeth to the same and the clemencie and godly zeale of the holy Father allureth men therevnto so that there could neuer be a better consent and a more fitte occasion offered the Christian common welth being pacifyed Gods grace so plentifully being giuen to y most holy father who is not only very careful for Princes but also for souls helth the peace tranquilitie of the church Thus they both made an end of their Oration to whom this answere was gyuen The moste honorable Electors Princes Ambassadors and Counsellers of the moste sacred Empire of Rome make this answere to the proposition of the Legates namely that they doubt not but that a great sorte of learned godly and wyse men of all ages and conditions haue wished a long tyme that the Churche might be in better state praying that at the length the pure doctrine of the Gospell might be restored and that the wicked errors might be takē away Of the which matter Byshops of Rome ought to haue a speciall care for that they haue of long tyme attributed to themselues the tytles of Pastors of the Church but say they experience hath hytherto declared that they haue bene rather occupyed in establyshing of their Tyranny and in bringing errors into the Church than in amplyfying and setting foorth the glory of God and in curing the diseases of the Church The which truly is most manyfest by too too many sorrowfull effectes as the best friendes that the Pope hath cannot but confesse if there be any shame in them Also they sayd that they did not a little maruel what moued the Pope and what hope he

to be The like words also he hath in his 112. Epistle Also in 37. cha of his second booke against Crescon In like maner S. Cyprian sayth VVe must not haue regarde what this or that man doth before vs but what Christe Iesus hath done who is before all Like vnto this is the rule whiche S. Augustine gaue to Hierome And in an other place also when hée disputeth againste those which woulde vse the Councell of Ariminum Neyther will I saith he alleage the Councell of Nice against you nor shall you alleage the Councell of Ariminum againste me By the authoritie of Scripture lette vs weye matter with matter cause with cause and reason with reason Chrysostome was of the same opynion as may appeare in his 49. Homely vpon Mathew For the Church is founded vpon the foundation of the Prophetes Apostles Therefore to conclude this matter we embrace the holy Scripture for the f●…l and perfect declaration of al things which appertayne to our saluation But as touching that which appertaineth to generall councels and to the bookes of the fathers we meane to vse them and we forbid not you to vse them so farre foorth as that which ye shall bring from them be not disagreeing with the worde of god But for Gods sake bring not in their bare authoritie vntill al thinges are examined by the Scriptures For we saye with S. Augustine in his seconde booke De doctrina Christiana the. 6. chapter If there bee any difficultie in the interpretation of Scriptures the holy Ghoste hath so tempered the Scriptures that what soeuer in one place is obscurely spoken in another place is more playnely and euidently reuealed And thus far concerning that Article the whiche I haue prosecuted the more largely to the end●… all men maye knowe that we are enimies neither to generall Councels nor yet to the auncien●… Fathers There remayne yet to speake of two articles namely concerning the Sacraments and Ecclesiasticall discipline The first truely deserueth a copious and long tractation by reason of the often and great controuersies euen at this day concerning the same but bycause it is not our purpose to dispute but onely to declare the specia●…l pointes of our confession it seemeth enough to me to e●…plicate the summe of our faithe We agree as I thinke in the description of the name of the Sacrament namely that Sacramente●… are visible signes by the meanes and helpe whereof the coniunction which we haue with our Lord Iesus Chryst is not only simply signified or figured but is also truely offered vnto God and is confirmed sealed and as it were grauen by the power of the holy Ghost in their mynds which with a true faith apprehend that which is so signified and offered vnto them I vse this word Signified not to weaken or abolishe the Sacramentes but to the ende I might distinguishe the signe from the thing signified Herevpon we confesse that it is alwayes necessarie in Sacramentes that there be a heauenly and supernaturall change for we say not that the water in Baptisme is simply water but a true Sacrament of our regeneration and of the washing of our soules by the bloude of Christe Neither do we say that the breade in the holy Supper of our Lorde Iesus Christe is simply breade but a Sacramente of the precious body of Christe Iesus whiche was giuen for vs and that the wine is not simply wine but a Sacrament of his precious bloud which he hath shed for vs Neuerthelesse we deny that there is any change made in substance of the signes but in the ende and vse for the which they are instituted We denie also that the same mutation is made by the efficacie of certaine wordes pronounced neyther by the intention of him that pronounceth them but by his wil only which hath ordeined this heauēly and diuine action the institution also wherof ought euidently and playnly to be expounded in the vulgar tongue that all men might vnderstand and receiue the same Thus muche concerning externall signes Nowe to come to that which is shewed and exhibited by those signes We say not that which many do who not well vnderstāding our myndes haue supposed that we haue taught namely that in the Lords supper ther is only a cōmemoration of the death of our Lord Iesus Christe Neither do we say that we are partakers of the frutes of his death passion onely in that thing but do ioyne the ground it self with the frutes whiche do come fro him to vs affirming with S. Paul ▪ The bread which we breake according to the Lords insti●…tion is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that is to say the participatiō of the bodie of Christ which was crucified for vs The cup which we drinke is the participation of his very bloud which was shed for vs yea ●…uē in the verie same substance which he toke in the wombe of the virgin which he caried vp into heauen Behold I pray you can ye fynd any thing in this Sacrament which we séeke find not But me thinks I heare some body make answer For many wold haue vs to confesse the the bread the wine are changed not into the sacraments of the body bloud of our Sauior Iesus Christ but into the very bodie bloud of our lord Other some peraduēture wil not so vrge vs but wil haue vs cōfesse that the body bloud is really corporally in with or vnder the bread wine But here my Lordes I pray you heare me paciently a little for a time suspend your iudgements If either of these opinions shall be proued vnto vs out of the worde of God to be true we are redy to imbrace it and wholly to reteine it But it séemeth vnto vs according to the measure of oure faith that this Transubstantiation cannot be reuoked or brought to the analogie substance of faith and to sounde doctrine bicause it is wholly repugnant to the nature of Sacramentes in which it is necessarie that there remaine substātial signes that they may be true signes of the body blod of Iesu Christ. Furthermore it doth euert and confound the veritie of the humane nature in Christ of his ascentiō And as my opiniō is of Trāsubstantiatiō euē so is it also of Consubstātiatiō which hath no groūd in the words of Christe neither is it necessary to this that we be partakers of the Sacraments But if any man demaund of vs if we make Christ to be absent frō the supper we answer that we do not separate him from the supper But if we haue respect vnto the distāce of places as we must of necessitie whē we speake of his corporal presence of his humanitie distinctly considered wee affirme that his body is so far absent from the bread wine as the heauen is absent from the earth f●…r so much as we the sacraments are in earth but he is so glorified in heauē