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B06553 A sober reply to Mr Robert Steed's epistle concerning singing. Wherein all his objections against that way he calls the common and popular way of singing psalms, &c. are impartially examined, and in the spirit of meekness, fully answered. Recommended to the consideration of all the saints and churches of Christ, by divers elders and ministers of baptized congregations. Who desire their brethren who are against such singing, without prejudice to read these lines, and consider them. Whinnell, Thomas, fl. 1699. 1691 (1691) Wing W1667; ESTC R186465 46,288 68

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and_o steal_v into_o the_o church_n you_o tell_v we_o you_o shall_v be_v the_o more_o large_a in_o speak_v to_o they_o reply_n it_o be_v your_o mistake_n the_o chief_a scripture_n we_o allege_v for_o the_o church_n to_o sing_v together_o be_v those_o in_o eph._n 5._o col._n 3._o which_o enjoin_v sing_v they_o be_v clear_a precept_n these_o be_v it_o be_v true_a the_o chief_a that_o be_v allege_v for_o sing_v after_o the_o lord_n supper_n also_o sing_v be_v no_o otherwise_o usher_v into_o the_o church_n than_o believer_n baptism_n be_v nor_o do_v it_o steal_v in_o but_o come_v in_o lawful_o by_o the_o authority_n both_o of_o precept_n and_o example_n however_o we_o will_v examine_v your_o answer_n to_o these_o text_n first_o it_o be_v to_o be_v consider_v say_v you_o that_o several_a learned_a expositor_n do_v assert_v that_o this_o hymn_n do_v belong_v to_o the_o passeover_n and_o not_o to_o the_o supper_n the_o lord_n supper_n be_v institute_v before_o the_o whole_a solemnity_n of_o the_o passeover_n be_v finish_v with_o the_o bread_n and_o wine_n that_o be_v appoint_v for_o it_o which_o be_v finish_v they_o conclude_v with_o a_o hymn_n as_o the_o jew_n be_v wont_a to_o do_v at_o such_o season_n if_o it_o then_o do_v appertain_v to_o the_o passeover_n it_o be_v do_v away_o with_o it_o p._n 9_o reply_n why_o do_v you_o not_o recite_v those_o learned_a expositor_n you_o mention_n for_o tho'_o we_o know_v and_o grant_v some_o learned_a expositor_n do_v affirm_v that_o the_o jew_n end_v their_o passover_n by_o sing_v a_o psalm_n yet_o they_o can_v prove_v what_o they_o say_v also_o we_o know_v none_o who_o say_v this_o hymn_n which_o our_o saviour_n and_o his_o disciple_n sing_v do_v appertain_v to_o the_o passeover_n nor_o do_v any_o learned_a expositor_n assert_v one_o single_a person_n alone_o ever_o sing_v after_o the_o lord_n supper_n 2._o here_o first_o of_o all_o you_o seem_v to_o confound_v the_o passeover_n and_o the_o sacred_a ordinance_n of_o the_o lord_n supper_n together_o intimate_v the_o passeover_n be_v not_o finish_v till_o after_o the_o supper_n be_v celebrate_v which_o be_v enough_o to_o cause_v some_o weak_a christian_n to_o question_v whether_o there_o be_v such_o a_o entire_a gospel_n ordinance_n as_o 〈◊〉_d lord_n supper_n or_o no_o or_o if_o there_o be_v whether_o we_o ought_v not_o before_o to_o eat_v a_o lamb_n or_o leg_n of_o mutton_n ●s_v some_o do_v 3._o but_o do_v not_o mistake_v yourself_o it_o be_v positive_o say_v ●hat_n after_o christ_n take_v the_o bread_n and_o give_v thanks_o etc._n etc._n and_o ●ave_n it_o to_o his_o disciple_n and_o say_v eat_v this_o be_v my_o body_n and_o take_v ●he_n cup_n and_o give_v thanks_o and_o say_v drink_v you_o all_o of_o it_o for_o ●his_n be_v my_o blood_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n etc._n etc._n they_o sing_v ●n_a hymn_n the_o sing_n of_o this_o hymn_n be_v the_o ve●y_n last_o thing_n they_o do_v before_o they_o go_v out_o into_o the_o mount_n of_o olive_n mat._n 26.26_o 27_o 28_o 29_o 30._o your_o ●●rst_a answer_n be_v but_o to_o blot_v paper_n or_o rather_o to_o cloud_n ●he_v matter_n for_o do_v this_o hymn_n appertain_v to_o the_o passover_o then_o here_o be_v no_o mention_n make_v of_o christ_n praise_v god_n any_o way_n at_o all_o after_o the_o celebration_n of_o the_o ordinance_n of_o the_o supper_n second_o but_o suppose_v say_v you_o it_o do_v belong_v to_o the_o lord_n supper_n yet_o that_o expression_n they_o sing_v etc._n etc._n do_v not_o prove_v that_o they_o lift_v up_o their_o voice_n together_o but_o ●ather_o that_o there_o be_v such_o a_o consent_n or_o harmony_n in_o their_o heart_n that_o it_o be_v as_o much_o the_o action_n of_o they_o all_o as_o if_o they_o have_v speak_v together_o so_o we_o read_v act_n 4.24_o it_o be_v express_v that_o they_o lift_v up_o their_o voice_n together_o with_o one_o accord_n and_o say_v etc._n etc._n do_v any_o person_n understand_v that_o they_o speak_v those_o word_n every_o one_o of_o they_o with_o a_o 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