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A87881 The observator observed, or, Animadversions upon observations on the history of King Charles wherein that history is vindicated, partly illustrated, and severall other things tending to the rectification of some publique mistakes, are inserted : to which is added, at the latter end, the observators rejoinder. L'Estrange, Hamon, 1605-1660. 1656 (1656) Wing L1188A; ESTC R179464 41,478 51

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