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A56149 The altar dispute, or, A discovrse concerning the severall innovations of the altar wherein is discussed severall of the chiefe grounds and foundations whereon our altar champions have erected their buildings / by H. P. Parker, Henry, 1604-1652. 1642 (1642) Wing P393; ESTC R21276 49,491 88

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beside_o among_o the_o jew_n the_o altar_n and_o the_o altar_n instrument_n be_v of_o the_o same_o metal_n in_o the_o same_o manner_n beautify_v and_o with_o the_o same_o solemnity_n consecrate_v and_o therefore_o why_o our_o chalice_n and_o patin_n shall_v not_o much_o rather_o be_v of_o the_o same_o honour_n and_o sanctity_n as_o the_o table_n i_o can_v discern_v for_o it_o be_v most_o certain_a that_o our_o table_n be_v more_o proper_o a_o relative_a instrument_n in_o our_o sacrament_n from_o whence_o it_o receive_v all_o its_o honour_n than_o the_o jewish_a altar_n be_v which_o lend_v honour_n to_o mosaical_a sacrifice_n rather_o than_o borrow_v borrow_v d_o any_o but_o say_v doctor_n laurence_n we_o find_v a_o kind_n of_o worship_n in_o cyrill_n a_o direct_a worship_n in_o eusebius_n emissenus_fw-la theodoret_n augustine_n and_o chrysostome_n we_o have_v {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o {non-roman}_o in_fw-la ignatius_n and_o adgeniculation_n in_o 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