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against_o he_o 126._o desence_n of_o exp._n p._n 126._o and_o defy_v his_o enemy_n to_o reproach_v he_o for_o his_o life_n and_o manner_n or_o for_o any_o other_o doctrine_n than_o that_o of_o his_o lordship_n do_v he_o not_o publish_v a_o factum_fw-la of_o his_o case_n all_o to_o the_o same_o purpose_n and_o can_v any_o other_o reason_n be_v give_v why_o it_o be_v not_o confute_v in_o the_o face_n of_o the_o world_n but_o because_o it_o can_v sure_o i_o be_o that_o if_o it_o can_v have_v be_v do_v the_o bishop_n may_v with_o less_o pain_n have_v disprove_v it_o than_o it_o have_v cost_v he_o from_o time_n to_o time_n to_o shuffle_v it_o off_o in_o which_o labour_n he_o have_v so_o visible_o add_v insincerity_n to_o insincerity_n can_v the_o vindicator_n think_v that_o it_o be_v not_o worth_a while_n for_o the_o bishop_n to_o defend_v his_o reputation_n against_o his_o inferior_a as_o mr._n imbert_n indeed_o be_v but_o the_o bishop_n be_v now_o bring_v upon_o the_o stage_n of_o the_o 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