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A90063 Irenicum; or, An essay towards a brotherly peace & union, between those of the congregational and presbyterian way; shewing out of the most learned and renowned divines of the congregational way, that their positions concerning 1. Church matters and members. 2. Church constitution and form. 3. Church state. 4. Church officers and ordination. 5. Church government and censures. 6. Church combinations and synods. 7. Communion with and separation from churches. are sufficient for the establishing a firme and lasting peace between them and the Presbyterians ... In pursuance of the good design begun at the Savoy, where it was agreed, and declared, that such reforming churches as consist of persons sound in the faith, and of conversation becoming the Gospel, ought not to refuse the communion of each other ... Drawn up and published by Discipulus de Tempore Junior. Newcomen, Matthew, 1610?-1669.; D. T. 1659 (1659) Wing N910; Thomason E978_1; ESTC R202985 58,516 89

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be_v prefer_v before_o obedience_n to_o a_o affirmative_a precept_n that_o be_v not_o fundamental_a though_o therefore_o a_o hoof_n of_o truth_n be_v to_o be_v prefer_v before_o the_o liberty_n and_o life_n of_o the_o ten_o thousand_o of_o israel_n yet_o when_o the_o whole_a community_n be_v more_o endanger_v by_o the_o want_n of_o public_a order_n than_o by_o the_o present_v not_o observe_v of_o some_o affirmative_a command_n not_o fundamental_a we_o ought_v to_o have_v more_o regard_n to_o public_a order_n than_o to_o the_o present_a obedience_n of_o such_o a_o command_n 5._o therefore_o the_o particular_a church_n in_o this_o case_n may_v and_o aught_o to_o submit_v itself_o to_o such_o order_n but_o yet_o without_o sin_n mr._n nortons_n answ_n to_o apollonius_n pag._n 118.119_o quest_n 18._o but_o how_o can_v that_o be_v do_v answ_n 1._o the_o truth_n be_v not_o to_o be_v dissemble_v norton_n mr._n norton_n but_o the_o church_n be_v modest_o and_o peaceable_o to_o bear_v witness_n 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act_v 15.7_o 12._o second_o they_o have_v liberty_n to_o join_v with_o the_o apostle_n and_o elder_n in_o determine_v the_o same_o as_o the_o common_a sense_n of_o they_o all_o three_o they_o have_v liberty_n to_o join_v with_o the_o apostle_n and_o elder_n in_o choose_v and_o send_v messenger_n and_o in_o writing_n synodal_n letter_n in_o the_o name_n of_o all_o for_o the_o publish_n of_o the_o sentence_n of_o the_o synod_n act_v 13._o ver_fw-la 22_o 23._o to_o 29._o but_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o decree_n lay_v chief_o if_o not_o only_o in_o the_o apostle_n and_o elder_n as_o appear_v act_v 16.4_o so_o than_o it_o will_v be_v most_o safe_a to_o preserve_v to_o the_o church_n of_o brethren_n their_o due_a liberty_n and_o to_o the_o church_n of_o the_o elder_n their_o due_a authority_n mr._n cotton_n of_o the_o key_n page_n 26._o line_n 1._o quest_n 20._o whether_o may_v a_o person_n or_o person_n wrong_v by_o particular_a church_n appeal_v to_o a_o synod_n or_o not_o for_o 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therefore_o who_o refuse_v to_o associate_v with_o other_o church_n when_o it_o be_v offer_v let_v these_o consider_v whether_o they_o do_v not_o forsake_v their_o own_o mercy_n 3._o even_o the_o strong_a and_o best_a church_n have_v need_n of_o association_n first_o that_o they_o may_v help_v the_o weak_a for_o all_o church_n be_v not_o in_o a_o like_o athletic_a plight_n and_o second_o for_o themselves_o for_o the_o best_a may_v soon_o degenerate_a and_o for_o want_v of_o association_n may_v sink_v and_o fall_v into_o deep_a apostasy_n see_v answ_o to_o quest_n 4._o therefore_o 1._o these_o association_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v elective_a for_o then_o the_o strong_a and_o athletic_a church_n may_v combine_v together_o and_o exclude_v the_o weak_a and_o less_o athletic_a say_v we_o have_v no_o need_n of_o you_o which_o will_v frustrate_v the_o end_n of_o combination_n and_o therefore_o the_o best_a way_n be_v for_o church_n that_o be_v in_o vicinity_n to_o combine_v together_o 2._o if_o the_o strong_a church_n may_v need_v consociation_n to_o prevent_v degeneration_n and_o apostasy_n than_o the_o best_a way_n be_v to_o have_v these_o consociation_n fix_v and_o state_v not_o occasional_a only_o &_o pro_fw-la re_fw-la nata_fw-la sero_fw-la med_a cina_fw-la paratur_fw-la quum_fw-la mala_fw-la per_fw-la long_o as_o inualuêre_fw-la moras_fw-la 4._o combination_n of_o church_n be_v a_o holy_a ordinance_n of_o christ_n see_v answ_o to_o quest_n 6._o therefore_o let_v they_o consider_v how_o they_o will_v answer_v it_o to_o jesus_n christ_n who_o not_o only_o live_v without_o this_o ordinance_n but_o despise_v it_o and_o speak_v evil_a of_o it_o and_o yet_o have_v covenant_v to_o walk_v in_o all_o the_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n and_o will_v be_v think_v so_o to_o do_v 5._o combination_n of_o church_n be_v no_o more_o destructive_a to_o the_o power_n of_o particular_a church_n than_o the_o consociation_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v to_o their_o apostolical_a power_n see_v answer_n to_o quest_n 6._o 6._o as_o the_o apostle_n give_v the_o right_a hand_n of_o fellowship_n one_o to_o another_o strengthen_v their_o hand_n in_o the_o work_n of_o the_o ministry_n so_o the_o elder_n of_o church_n give_v the_o right_a hand_n of_o fellowship_n one_o to_o another_o upon_o any_o fit_a occasion_n can_v but_o strengthen_v the_o heart_n and_o hand_n of_o one_o another_o in_o the_o lord_n work_v see_v answ_o to_o quest_n 7._o therefore_o for_o the_o elder_n of_o congregational_a church_n to_o refuse_v to_o associate_v with_o their_o brethren_n of_o another_o judgement_n and_o to_o refuse_v to_o give_v they_o the_o right_a hand_n of_o fellowship_n what_o do_v it_o declare_v but_o this_o that_o either_o they_o do_v not_o think_v we_o in_o our_o ministry_n work_v the_o work_n of_o the_o lord_n or_o else_o that_o they_o be_v resolve_v to_o weaken_v our_o hand_n and_o hinder_v our_o work_n as_o much_o as_o they_o can_v because_o though_o we_o do_v god_n work_v
give_v in_o wisdom_n and_o compassion_n to_o his_o church_n quest_n 1_o 2._o 3._o therefore_o how_o those_o church_n can_v be_v say_v to_o come_v near_o the_o rule_n and_o walk_v close_a to_o the_o rule_n who_o either_o have_v no_o officer_n at_o all_o as_o the_o church_n of_o h._n and_o the_o church_n of_o n._n or_o else_o content_a themselves_o with_o one_o officer_n a_o pastor_n have_v neither_o teacher_n ruler_n nor_o deacon_n as_o most_o of_o the_o gather_a church_n in_o england_n be_v this_o to_o walk_v according_a to_o rule_v be_v not_o this_o either_o to_o slight_v the_o compassion_n of_o christ_n in_o give_v these_o officer_n or_o to_o contradict_v the_o wisdom_n of_o christ_n and_o proclaim_v those_o office_n needless_a and_o useless_a which_o christ_n judge_v needful_a and_o useful_a and_o therefore_o appoint_v in_o his_o church_n 5._o ordination_n be_v a_o fundamental_a in_o church_n discipline_n and_o give_v the_o officer_n right_a in_o his_o office_n jus_o in_o re_fw-mi 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profession_n and_o confession_n of_o the_o faith_n as_o our_o spiritual_a union_n and_o communion_n with_o christ_n our_o head_n mystical_o see_v qu●st_n 13._o answ_n therefore_o the_o sacrament_n be_v note_n of_o the_o true_a church_n as_o the_o protestant_a writer_n have_v always_o maintain_v against_o the_o papist_n 9_o a_o person_n have_v his_o first_o right_n to_o the_o sacrament_n because_o he_o have_v a_o interest_n in_o the_o covenant_n of_o the_o gospel_n of_o which_o it_o be_v a_o seal_n quest_n 14._o therefore_o the_o church_n covenant_n as_o they_o call_v it_o give_v not_o a_o man_n his_o first_o right_n to_o the_o sacrament_n for_o that_o be_v not_o the_o covenant_n of_o the_o gospel_n nor_o be_v the_o sacrament_n a_o seal_n of_o that_o 10._o for_o the_o receive_n of_o the_o sacrament_n in_o a_o right_a order_n of_o christ_n it_o be_v sufficient_a that_o the_o party_n be_v a_o member_n of_o a_o visible_a congregation_n not_o this_o or_o that_o particular_a quest_n 14._o therefore_o whether_o the_o congregation_n be_v constitute_v after_o this_o or_o that_o form_n by_o express_a covenant_n or_o not_o whether_o it_o be_v a_o independent_a congregation_n or_o a_o classical_a congregation_n it_o be_v all_o one_o if_o a_o man_n be_v a_o member_n of_o a_o visible_a congregation_n he_o come_v in_o a_o right_a order_n of_o christ_n 11._o it_o be_v requisite_a that_o those_o who_o be_v baptize_v and_o receive_v their_o member-ship_n in_o their_o infancy_n shall_v come_v to_o their_o trial_n and_o examination_n before_o they_o be_v admit_v to_o the_o supper_n and_o this_o examination_n may_v be_v make_v by_o the_o elder_n yea_o in_o some_o case_n it_o be_v necessary_a it_o shall_v be_v so_o and_o for_o all_o woman_n it_o be_v most_o warrantable_a and_o most_o without_o exception_n therefore_o such_o examination_n in_o presbyterian_a church_n be_v not_o sinful_a and_o unlawful_a nor_o deserve_v so_o much_o ignominy_n and_o scorn_n as_o some_o have_v cast_v upon_o it_o 12._o the_o sacrament_n be_v seal_n not_o only_o of_o our_o communion_n with_o christ_n and_o with_o the_o member_n of_o our_o own_o church_n but_o with_o all_o the_o church_n of_o the_o saint_n see_v quest_n 16._o therefore_o they_o who_o will_v partake_v with_o none_o but_o the_o member_n of_o their_o own_o church_n or_o a_o church_n of_o the_o like_a constitution_n nor_o suffer_v their_o member_n to_o partake_v in_o none_o but_o their_o own_o church_n be_v guilty_a of_o the_o great_a breach_n of_o christian_a love_n that_o can_v be_v unsaint_v and_o unchurch_v all_o the_o church_n that_o christ_n have_v upon_o the_o earth_n but_o themselves_o and_o with_o a_o kind_n of_o papal_a pride_n judge_v and_o as_o much_o as_o in_o they_o be_v excommunicate_v all_o other_o church_n contrary_a to_o their_o own_o principle_n that_o say_v no_o one_o church_n have_v power_n over_o another_o 13._o the_o wickedness_n of_o a_o minister_n do_v no_o way_n make_v void_a the_o act_n of_o his_o ministry_n nor_o give_v the_o people_n a_o dispensation_n to_o contemn_v it_o see_v quest_n 18._o 14._o the_o roll_a elder_n office_n be_v so_o clear_o and_o full_o ground_v in_o scripture_n as_o none_o can_v controvert_v it_o but_o he_o who_o spirit_n and_o apprehension_n be_v prepossess_v and_o forestall_v with_o prejudice_n quest_n 21.22_o 15._o the_o power_n and_o work_v of_o the_o roll_a elder_n be_v very_o great_a and_o his_o office_n very_o needful_a in_o the_o church_n quest_n 23_o 24._o therefore_o they_o that_o will_v have_v none_o of_o these_o roll_a elder_n over_o they_o but_o leave_v all_o to_o themselves_o and_o their_o liberty_n and_o by_o this_o mean_n be_v not_o only_o single_a member_n or_o officer_n but_o pastor_n and_o teacher_n and_o elder_n and_o all_o this_o generation_n of_o man_n cast_v off_o the_o lord_n government_n be_v son_n of_o korah_n who_o condemnation_n sleep_v not_o etc._n etc._n quest_n 24._o answ_n 1._o quaere_fw-la whether_o some_o other_o 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