of the same shall not bee taken awaie but onely chaunged and disguised Tobie Nay it will be worse for it wil not onely bee chaunged and disguised but more inforced Theo. How can that be Tobie Thou knowest that what power so euer the Pope and his haue ouer the church in their estate yet can thei not doe what thei list except thei do otherwise then thei ought to doe For first thei caÌ„ put no man to death but must deliuer vp to y e secular power suche as thei iudge worthy of corporal punishmeÌ„t either for heresie or coÌ„mittyng of any other crime against the faithe and religion But if the whole power of the church be in the magistrates handes thei maie bind and loose as thei list Thei nede not to borrowe the sword of an other whiche thei enioye theimselues Furthermore notwithstandyng the greate abuse in the Romishe Churche yet were the Councels Sinodes and auncient cannons alwaies of some aucthoritie with theÌ„ There is neither Pope Cardinall nor Bishop that dare vndertake to admit any into y e Ministerie of the Churche except he haue passed the order which he must passe and without some forme of electioÌ„ If any be deposed out of the ministerie he shal not be deposed without beyng heard as appertaineth to hym that is to said without forme of Ecclesiasticall iudgement But if the whole power be in the Magistrates hand thei may place or displace the Ministers as thei list without any Ecclesiasticall order be it right or wrong Thei maie vse theÌ„ as seruauntes that wheÌ„ thei are wearie of them thei maie put them awaie or put theÌ„ to death as thei list I meane if the Magistrates bee tyrantes and haue none that dare gainsaie theÌ„ without the like daunger And so Wolues shal be thrust into the Churche of God and the true shepheardes shal be driuen out For tyrantes will neuer abide to heare the troth as it ought to be told theÌ„ and if thei be no tyrantes thei will be content with the charge whiche the lorde hath giuen theÌ„ and will beware how thei attribute to their particular that whiche is common to all the Churche or which is specially ioyned to the Ministers of the same Theo. I perceiue thou speakest reason for though the Pope and his abuse and haue of long tyme abused bothe Councelles and auncient Cannons and that thei vse no part of the auncient discipline of the churche but onely the names and titles yet dare thei not so openly give themselves over to 〈…〉 thei would if that bridle were not Tobie Therevpon I conclude that if this bridle could not so kepe theÌ„ within their bouÌ„des but that thei haue ouerpassed them verie muche as you saie it will be worse wheÌ„ the power of the churche is in the haÌ„des of those whiche are armed with the temporall sword whiche haue none other Lawes to restraine them and keepe them in their boundes but suche as thei themselues will take and those at their pleasure And besides that how ofteÌ„ chaunceth it that thâ—â—e of this estate haue neither learning nor knowledge and are the least exercised in matters belongyng to the Churche And yet these shal be thei that shal commauÌ„de Ministers and Preachers what thei liste on paine of their sworde and shall appoinct theÌ„ lawes touchyng their estate ministerie and likewise to the whole church Theo. I confesse y e al these incoÌ„ueniences might come of suche tyrannie And therfore the true ministers of y e Gospell perceiuyng the subtiltie of satan in suche case forseing his pretence preuent suche thynges betime Wherfore thei crie no lesse against suche tiranny abuse wheÌ„ thei perceiue it then thei haue heretofore cried against the tyraÌ„ny and abuse of the Pope and the Popishe churche Tobie There are very fewe that doe so for I know the greatest part to belly gods flatterers hirelinges who haue the good will of the Magistrates and higher powers speake as pleaseth them whom thei seeke to please and confirme their tyrannie In steede of reprouyng them and fightyng in the quarrell of the libertie of the Churche Wherefore if thei haue good occasion to call our Priestes and MoÌ„kes belly gods and false Shepherdes your preachers are not voide of the same fault thei can plaie that parte well inough Theo. I would I could in all pointes disproue thee herein But I praie thee consider wheÌ„ce those belly gods are come to vs come not the moste parte of them froÌ„ those whom thou mentionedst euen now Thinkest thou that all those priestes and monkes that now hold on our side are now wholy vnpriested vnmonked Thinkest thou not that the deuil hath sent theÌ„ emongst vs to â—â—asider the Gospel hauing inough to 〈◊〉 his turne beside Wherefore it is no meruaile if he goe about to sow those â—ermine vnder other habite and â—â—ler where suche Apostates will 〈◊〉 receiued in their 〈◊〉 habit For he is contented that thei vncloth y e outward habit so thei vncloche not their priesthood or monkehood But tho there be suche yet thanked bee God there are other whiche are ready conteÌ„ted not onely to be driuen awaie and banished in maintainyng the libertie of y e true discipline of the Churche in despite of tyrantes but also to giue their livesin so good a quaâ—â—ell Tobie If there be any suche thei 〈◊〉 thicke soweÌ„ but come thin vp and besides that thei shall finde very fewe either of their 〈◊〉 or of the Magistrates or commeÌ„s that wil sticke to theÌ„ in the maintenaunce therof but almost all sortes of men crie out against theÌ„ and against rebelles sedicious persons that trouble the whole churche Now what better hope of reformation is there too be loked for at your hanÌ„des then at ours but onely that it is like 〈…〉 ouerthrowen with you then euer it was 〈…〉 nere by the Popes 〈…〉 I dare saie that I se already 〈…〉 that vnder title of reformatioÌ„ by the Gospell some christian Princes haue in 〈…〉 vsurped more tyranny ouer the Churches in their dominion their 〈…〉 and his adherentes in sixe hundred yeres Theo. Thou talkest at pleasure of affectioÌ„ that thou bearest against vs and our religioÌ„ But in this meane while thou coÌ„siderest not the goodnesse of those that feare God aswell Ministers Magistrates as common people For as there are good Shepherdes whiche faithfully execute their office vsurpyng nothing ouer the Churche or Magistrates but honoryng theÌ„ as thei ought according to the worde of God So likewise are there many true christiaÌ„ Magistrates which let helping hande bothe to the churche and ministers of thesame not to oppresse theÌ„ but to helpe and further theÌ„ in their charge asmuch as either of their offices requireth And when this agremeÌ„t is betwene the Magistrates and the ministers the people whiche are committed to their charge do willingly frams themselues to yeld to God and their pastors 〈◊〉 his seruantes the honor obedience whiche thei oweâ—vnto
all the ruine that was in the Churche of God was a good Kyng and very zealous of the glorie of God Wherefore rightly Hely answered him it is thou thy fathers householde that troublest Israell And here doeth Achab shewe hymself like these Deuilles which complained of Iesus Christ And yet all these Kynges of whom I haue spoken would not be holden for Infidelles no more then those whiche in these daies will be holden for Christiā Princes magistrates yea reformed accordyng to the Gospell and neuerthelesse thei will receiue the Gospel but according to their own pleasure And if that in al tymes there hath been suche contradiction of Princes and magistrates against the seruauntes of God and if thei refused to submit themselues to the worde of God the rebellion was not lesse amōg y e people whiche commonly followe the maner of their Princes and Lordes rather of those that rebell against God and his seruauntes thē of those that shewe their duetie as thei ought to God warde And sithe it is so what reason is it to condēne as wel the true seruauntes of God the good Magistrates and other good men which do well discharge their office as their aduersaries which from tyme to tyme haue troubled the Churche Eust I graunt that wer no reason but this is nothyng to my talke Theo. It is al one For it semeth that thou wouldest haue so perfect a Churche y t there should be no dissention or discord but it is in vaine to looke for any such here as our Sauiour Christ hymself hath well declared vnto vs by the parables and similitudes which he vsed For there will alwaies bee ill fishe among the good in the net of the Gospel and the Lordes fielde will neuer bee so cleane in this worlde but that there will bee alwaies darness mingled with the good seede which wil be so like in growing y ◠it cā not be knowen frō the other till it shewe it self farther Eust What is the cause thereof Theo. Among others there are twoo most worthie to be noted Eust Whiche be thei Theo. The first is that the Deuill doth alwaies mingle his seed with the Lords seed vntill the Lorde doe cleane separate them Eust And what is the second Theo. The second is that the very childrē and seruaunts of God are neuer so perfectly regenerated in the worlde neither can not so well mortifie their olde Adam sinful flesh but that there alwaies remaineth many carnall affections in them yea euen in the perfectest whiche is the cause thei can not be so perfect as thei ought to be Wherefore the most iust are greatly greeued that thei can not become so obedient to the will of God as thei desire and as God in his law requireth euē as S. Paule witnesseth of hymself But I wil leaue to talke any more hereof at this tyme because I wil come to y e point y t Tobie talked of touching the new temporal Pope Tobie Truely I would gladly heare thy mynde therein Theo. I doubt not but the Deuill would be glad to doe as muche as you haue spoken touchyng this matter in those places where the spiritual Pope is beaten doune He hath heaued vp his spirituall Pope vnder y e title of Minister of the Churche and hath taken occasion to giue vnto hymself many goodly titles and suche authoritie as the spirite of God giueth to y e true Ministers of his word and their Ministerie But if the Deuill and his false Prophetes and pastors haue abused the name of this holy ministerie and the true ministers of the Lorde to vsurpe tyrannie ouer the Churche of Iesus Christ vnder this colour it followeth not therefore that the authoritie of the true Ministerie of the church and the true ministers of the Lord which is giuen them of God and not of men ought to bee diminished For whosoeuer vseth suche meane to correct the fault that the Pope and his haue committed in this behalfe doth not reforme the Church but deforme it more thē it was before And therefore when the true Ministers of the Gospell preached in the beginnying against the Pope and other false Sheepeheardes whiche haue abused the ministerie of the Church and wholy ouerthrowen it and whē thei haue admonished Princes and Magistrates to set to hande that the abuse whiche was in the Church might bee corrected and reformed accordyng to y e word of God thei preached not that the Magistrates should take any tyrannie ouer y e Church whiche thei condemned and that thei should tread the ministerie therof vnder their feete but that thei ought to bestow their whole power in restoryng of it to such perfectnesse as it ought to be according to Gods word And to the ende that the Magistrates should not sticke at it and think that it belonged not to them thei shewed them what was their duetie and how muche God had honoured them in callyng them thereto Thei likewise declared vnto them the honour that the spirite of God sheweth to that holy state in y e sacred Scriptures and what dishonour and iniury the Pope and his prophetes haue doen vnto it Wherein thei did not amisse but faithfully executed their charge If there be any that haue passed their boundes therein I will not excuse their fault And likewise if there be any Magistrates that stretch that farther thē thei ought whiche hath been preached vnto them by the true ministers of the Lorde touchyng the authoritie and power that y e Lord hath giuen them the fault is not in the true ministers but in those which abuse their doctrine which is the doctrine of God For ther is no more reason to blame them in such case then to blame the Prophetes and Apostles because thei writ of the excellencie as wel of the ministerie of the Gospell as of the state of Magistrates For thei wrote not y t which thei haue written to giue the Deuill false prophetes and tyrauntes occasion therby to vsurp tyrannie ouer the Church but because the troth is so and that it is needfull that the faithfull should so vnderstande it for whom thei haue both written and preached and not for tyrauntes or enemies of the Churche If there be thē any Magistrates in these daies whiche vnder title of authoritie and power that God hath giuen them will take more authoritie and power ouer the Churche then God willeth them and will make the Ministerie of the same subiect vnto them as the Pope hath made thē subiect to hym and his and hath also made subiect the power and authoritie of Princes Magistrates thesame doe verely sett vp a newe Pope chaungyng only his coate and maske And by this meanes Sathan shall establishe a newe Popedome vnder another colour but al wil come to one ende though thei take an other waie And so the tyrannie that he tofore tyme hath vsed ouer the Churche and ministerie
Iesus Christ For I dare saie that thei haue abolished as many or more as theirs whiche haue better ground and are muche more agreable to the rule and Discipline of the Primitiue Churche Tobie I confesse for my part that there is greate abuse growne in the aunciente discipline of the Churche But me thinkes thei should be contented to correct thē and keepe that which is good and accordyng to the first ordenaunce of Iesus Christ not abolish al. Eusta Thou saiest truthe But thei maie not be tolde of their faultes whiche be verie greate For if thei be tolde of them then thei crie out why doe you trouble vs Are not all thynges in good order And if we goe about to shewe theim their disorder by the worde of God and wherein their Traditions are different from the same thei answere that thei will dispute no more and that thei bee alreadie resolued what thei ought to beleeue and followe And yet when we made the like answere to them and those that holde the same religion thei mocked vs and said we answered so because we durst not stand to the trial and that wee haue suche mistrust in our weapon that we be afraied to enter into combat Tobie Surely now I perceiue that thou art at them in good earnest me thinkes thou handlest theim as thei ought to bee handled For thou beatest them with their owne rod and condemnes theim with their owne sentēce But I praie thee how art thou become so greate a doctor in diuinitie How couldest thou perceiue all this that thou hast spoken Eusta How could I not perceiue y t which is manifest to all menne For since our firste conuersation together might I not wel perceiue that whiche I sawe and heard daiely I reporte mee to Ierome and Theophrastus thē selues whether this be true or not For although we be of Religion and opinion differēt yet I take thē to be so honest that thei will not lye against their owne conscience Theo. Tobie and you haue made a verie long discourse wherein ye haue very nere touched vs and likewise all these that dooe bragge at this daie of the reformation of the Gospell wherin ye haue neither spared Magistrate Minister nor people Eusta Yet we haue spared you more then you haue spared vs or our Prelates pastors or Magistrates But when wee saie trothe what neede we to speake Theo. I cōfesse that whiche you haue spoken is not so false as I would it wer but me seemeth you doe vs wrong in that you make no difference betweene those that abuse the Gospell as you saie those that liue accordyng to thesame but condemne all as well the good as the euill without iudgyng the cause wherin me thinkes ye shewe your selues as if ye would condemne Iesus Christ as well as the deuills whiche complained of hym because thei are one against an other at difference if we condēne all those that are at strife we must aswell condēne God as the deuill for thei were alwaies at strife shall neuer be otherwise nor cā not Now if God and the deuill bee at strife we maie not saie that those which take Gods part in aniwise agree with those that take the deuills parte And to take bothe parts is impossible seyng then that it is so it can not bee but that those whiche serue the deuill and will not become obediēt to God will alwaies burthen y e true seruantes of God with thesaid complaintes that the deuils laied to Iesus Christe For if the deuil durst do it to the maister it is not to be doubted but y t he wil giue boldnesse to his to do the like to y e seruantes of Iesus Christ seyng he durst doe it to Christ hymself Eusta I agree to all that But you that glorie so muche in the reformation of your Gospell bragge to bee all faithfull all good men to followe the pure worde of God to be all led and guided by the holy ghost and condemne all others that are not of your secte Theo. That notwithstādyng it followeth not that all thei that bragge of suche things be suche as thei would bee estemed For the churche of God will neuer be without hypocrites and false brethren mingled emongest the children of God whiche bryng more dangerous and offensiue warre to the churche of God thē any other enemies whatsoeuer thei be And therfore there will alwaies be suche Deuilles and suche possessed inough in the churche as thou speakest of that will cry out on Christ and his seruantes and complaine on them but yet thei are not of the Churche For there is great differēce betwene beyng of the Churche and beeyng in the Churche But where cā the deuill assaile Christ nerer and more subtilly then in his church What sort of men can he better vse to serue his purpose then those whiche onely will be holden for the true mēbers of the churche but suche as shal be in greatest credite and aucthoritie in thesame If thou wilt talke of Ministers I would aske of thee when was the churche euer without false Prophetes dombe doggs flatterers and Hirelynges whiche haue alwaies warred against the true Prophetes Apostles and against the true Ministers of the lorde And haue not these been moste promoted and beste estemed emongest men If ye talke of Kynges Princes Lordes and Magistrates consider how many haue there been found that haue yelden suche obediēce to the worde of God whiche hath been declared vnto theim by the Prophetes and other ministers of the Lorde and haue shewed thē suche honour and reuerence as thei ought For one that hath been founde to yeld suche duetie to their Minister as behoued there haue been twentie found that haue doen the contrary which haue not been contented not onely to despise the doctrine of the true seruauntes of God but haue also driuen them out and persecuted them themselues And when I speake this I speake not of suche Princes and Magistrates whiche haue had dominion ouer suche people and Nations as wer esteemed Infidels but I speak of those that reigned ouer the people whiche were esteemed of God and of his Church But how many haue been founde among this people whiche would haue disposed the religion after their owne fantasies to make it serue to their affections and commodities whiche haue vsurped the offices in the church which belonged not to them Ieroboam Ahaz and Ozias whiche were Kynges ouer Iuda and Israell do sufficiently witnesse vnto vs. And when all these wer reproued by y e Prophets how were thei receiued After that Achab with his Iesabel had peruerted all the diuine seruice by the meanes of his false Prophets what said he to Hely Was it not laied to his charge that it was he y e troubled all Israell Hely whiche onely went about to set vp the true seruice of God accordyng to his lawe troubled all and Achab whiche was cause of
Deuilles in the possessed Matth. 8. Luks 8. The errours of the Papists touchyng Mary Magdaline Luke 7. Ihon. 12. Luke 7. 8. The number of mortall sinnes The differeÌ„ce betweene mortall and veniall sinnes The seuen Deuils which were in Mary Magdaline The differeÌ„ce betwixt the possessed and those that the Deuill dwelleth in by sin In what sence the wicked maie be holden for possessed Of the garde and ministery of Angelles Psalm 91. Hebru 1. Math. 4. 18. Psalm 34. Daniel 10. 2. Kyng 5. Wakefulnesse against snares assaults of Sathan 1. Peter 5. To teÌ„pt God Dan. 6. Math. 4. Luke 4. Psal 95. Heb. 4. 4. 1. Cor. 10. The Deuilles diligent to hurter Iob. 1. 2. Math. 12. The power that the Deuill hath to torment men Math 8. Marke 5. Luke 8. The abidyng â—f the possesâ—ed in graues â—nd desertes â—uke 8. Torment of the body and mynde Fonde imaginations of franticke men Nider in formicar Lib. 5. cap. 12. The feare of death The torment of those that are giuen ouer to Satan Matth. 26. The iudgement of God on the wicked Prouer. 16. The Image of the hell of the wicked Esaie 48. Thei that hate and are wearie of all men Math 8. Mark 5. The Deuille power brideled Iude. 15. 16. Tyrauntes possessed The crowneâ— and hornes of the redd Dragon Apoc. 12. Psal 32. Dan. 7. Blacke Deuils The Prince of darknesse his liuerie Math. 28. Mark 16. Luk. 24. Ihon. 20. Actes 1. 10. Ihon. 12. 15. 2. Cor. 3. Luke 22. Ephe. 2. White Deuils 2. Cor. 11. Auncient blacke Diuels and white Deuilles A Deuil both white and blacke Iulians deuill conuerted into a white deuill Tripart hist lib. 6. Alluringes of Iulian to deceiue Christians Christians in Iulians Court Another subtilty of Iulian to make men haue the better deuotion to the heathen religion The offence of the euill life of Pastors Hypocrisie in stead of holy life A reformatioÌ„ of Iulian in the heathens Priestes Tripart hist lib. 6. cap. 28. Popish reformation The Philosophicall life of Iulian. Tripart hist lib. 6. Iulians court Tripart hist lib. 6. The Monkish bringyng vp of Iulian. The dissimulation of Iulian The continence of Iulian The foundation of Hospitalles by Iulian. The charitie of the auncient Christians Ihon. 1. 7. Christians called Galileans The example of Iulian to the shame of Christians Charitie required in those that brag of the Gospell Marke 5. Luke 8. Matth. 8. The Deuilles worshippyng and coÌ„fessing Iesus Christ Ihon. 6. Matth. 8. Marke 1. Luke 8. Ihon. 17. Actes 16. The Soothsayer of Philip The confessioÌ„ and constrained praiers of Deuilles The coÌ„plaint of Deuilles Math. 8. Mark 5. Luk. 8. Marke 5. Luke 8. The Deuilles desire attonement Good Deuils when thei could do no more harme The Gospell manifesteth Deuilles The wicked accusing of the Gospell Luke 23. Actes 27. The coÌ„plaint of the newe possessed The maner of gettyng of goodes by Priestes and Monkes To whom the goodes of the Churche belong The cloake wherewith the Prophetes of Antichrist couer them The colour that the Deuilles complaint hath against Iesus Christ What is first to be considered in all controuersie 1. Cor. 14. Phil. 4. Ihon. 8. The coÌ„plainâ— of those that doe wrong against those that receiue wrong The cause why the wicked complain of the Gospel Thei whiche abuse the Gospell makyng it serue to their owne gaine and affection Thei that can not suffer to be reproued by the Ministers of the Gospell Hirelinges good sheepeheardes A slaunder on the good Ministers of the Gospell touchyng the administration of the Churche goodes Flatteryng Ministers The enemies af the discipline of the Churche Lack of good Ministers of the Gospell The coÌ„tempt of the Ministers of the Gospell Thei that are content with outwarde shewe of religion onely Chaunge of Popedome Temporall Pope The diuision among those that brag of the reformation of the Gospell Magistrates which vsurpe authoritie ouer the Churche Mans traditions chaunged into other as ill Condemnation without iudgyng the cause Perpetuall strife betwene God and the Deuill and his seruaunts The euill and the good mingled together in the Churche The Churche persecuted by her owne â—eroboam Ahaz Ozia Achab. Iesabell Hely 2. Kyng 18. Achabs reproche to Hely The rebellion of the Magistrates and people against the Ministers of the Lorde â—ypocrites aâ—ong the â—â—ithfull in 〈◊〉 Churche Math. 13. Marke 4. Matth. 13. Rom. 6. 7. 8. Imperfections in the perfectest Roma 7. The foundation of the spiritual Pope Euill reforming of the Churche The declaration of the Ministers to the Magistrates Magistrates abusing the Gospell aud their office Popedome chaunged not abolished A Popedome more daungerous then the first Good Ministers preuent the newe Popedome Priestes and Monkes transformed True reformation of the Churche The ignoraÌ„ce of many Ignoraunce worthie of blame Fault in the Ministers False detractours to hinder the discipline of the Churche â—ow the true Ministers of â—he Lorde are â—â—dges of the â—icked â—zech 22. â—â—on 16. The wicked will neuer finde tyme to heare the condemnation The reasons of those thaâ— are conuinced by the word of God 〈◊〉 with 〈◊〉 profite is â—â—ungerous Dogges and swine turne against the seruauntes of God Matth. 7. The punishment of God for too long bearyng with abuse The reproche of the Papists for pollutyng the sacrameÌ„ts in reformed Churches Math. 7. Thei that wil deferre the tyme with God The hypocrisie of those whiche seeke excuses Psalm 2. The obedieÌ„ce whiche we owe to God Desire to doe mischiefe The Genezarianâ— The true meane to driue awaie the Deuill Esa 11. 2â— Luke 8. Feare of the power of god without taste of the goodnesse thereof Matth. 8. Marke 5. Luke 8. Diuers knowledge of the Gospell Feare of God without any loue towards hym The cause that letteth many from followyng the Gospell Suche swinâ— as bothe reiect Christ themselues and cause oâ—ther to doe the like â—ath 2. MeÌ„ troub at the bâ— of Iesus Christ Luke â— â—e vaine â—re that tyâ—â—nts haue 〈◊〉 the Goâ—â—ll should â—â—der their â—â—gdome â—â—th 18. 〈◊〉 6. 18. Worldly quietnesse preferred before the quietnesse oâ— the conscieÌ„câ— â—â—ei that reâ—â—â— the disciâ—â—ne of the â—â—urche to â—â—oyd trouâ—â—â— â—he yoke of â—hrist and â—â—e yoke of â—athan â—ath 11. Iesus Christ is schoolemaister to the humble and not to the proude Math. 11. Isaiah 66. 〈…〉 1. Pet. 5. Rom. 12. Philip. 2. S. Aug. in his 3. Booke 5. Chap. of Confess The confession of S. Aug. as concerning the pride whiche hindred him froÌ„ profiting in thâ— holy scriptures There are manye that will counterfeit S. Augustines pride but they will not follow his humilitie Libertine Atheists Libertine Balaamites Libertine Courtiers Libertine newters 1. Cor. 1. What it is to conteÌ„ne prayer Psal 19. 119. 2. Pet. 1. Iohn 16. Psal 16. 1 Psal 50. Mat. 7. 18. The iudgment of God against the contempt and hating of his word Deut. 13. A preseruatiue against errors Of Lunatique deaf dumb and blind Demoniacques Mat.