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beseech_v you_o how_o he_o account_v of_o we_o that_o mislike_v his_o new_a disciplinarian_a devise_n be_v examine_v whether_o he_o think_v the_o church_n of_o england_n refuse_v the_o presbyterial_a government_n to_o be_v the_o true_a church_n in_o as_o proper_a sense_n 7._o interrog_n 7._o as_o that_o church_n that_o embrace_v the_o same_o m._n cartwright_n according_a to_o his_o old_a tune_n refuse_v to_o answer_v and_o say_v he_o be_v not_o bind_v be_v demand_v 22._o interrog_n 22._o how_o far_o he_o have_v affirm_v that_o without_o breach_n of_o the_o peace_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n as_o it_o be_v now_o govern_v man_n may_v treat_v of_o alteration_n of_o law_n &_o proceed_v to_o practice_v the_o new_a discipline_n he_o make_v a_o sleight_n &_o unsufficient_a answer_n be_v demand_v at_o how_o many_o classical_a or_o synodical_a assembly_n he_o have_v be_v present_a 24._o interrog_n 23._o &_o 24._o and_o what_o be_v treat_v in_o they_o he_o either_o stagger_v or_o 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