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A10699	A Catholicke conference betvveene Syr Tady Mac. Mareall a popish priest of VVaterforde, and Patricke Plaine a young student in Trinity Colledge by Dublin in Ireland VVherein is deliuered the certayne maner of execution that was vsed vpon a popish bishop, and a popish priest, that for seueral matters of treason were executed at Dublin the first of February, now last past. 16ll. Strange to be related, credible to be beleeued, and pleasant to bee perused. By Barnabe Rych, Gent. seruant to the Kinges most excellent Maiestie.	Rich, Barnabe, 1540?-1617.	1612 (1612)	STC 20981; ESTC S115901	41,203	61

blindly leade to your Romish captiuitie Ta. Doe you call them captiues that are drawne to our Catholicke Communitie whom we chearily feede and foster vp with the milke of our holy mother Church Pa. The milke that you feede withall is but Boyne Clubbo it is not the sweete milke that is drawne from the Gospell Ta. Doe you disproue that foode that is aswell approued by the Pope as by all the auncient doctors of the Church Pa. They must bee your owne doctors that must helpe you for I am sure the doctors and fathers of the Primitiue Church had little to doe with your religion Ta. And who be those that you terme to be our own doctors Pa. Who should they be but the pillers of your Church Bonauentura Occam Scotus Thomas Aquinas with an infinite number such other like that be of your popish rable Ta. Our religion is not so much propped vp by them as by the holy scriptures Pa. Prooue but that and I will promise you to goe to Masse three times a weeke Ta. Is it not proofe enough that hath beene confirmed by the Pope himselfe many hundred yeares agoe and all those confuted that haue sought to impugne it Pa. Your Pope confureth more by poysons and by treasons then he doth by arguments or by any other authoritie either of words or writings that are drawne from the holy Scriptures Ta. You may make as many cauels as you list but I say the successor of Peter cannot erre and therefore the church is safest when it is ruled by him for whose faith Christ hath prayed that it might not faile Pa. Are we come to that againe I haue already named you a Pope that hath erred and dyed an hereticke and I tell you yet againe that the diuines of Paris openly confuted the conclusiōs and articles of Iohn the 22. and got the same to bee condemned before Philipe King of France with the sound of Trumpets but in whose name will not he craftely set forth his errours which dare falsely set forth himselfe in the place of the Sonne of God And haue not some other of your Popes both corrupted and falsified Counsels Canons and Decrees and all to vpholde their pride Ta. Shew me but where such a pranke hath beene played and I will giue you the Bucklers Pa. Where it was decreed by the Counsell of Chalcedon that Constantinople should be aduanced in ecclesiasticall matters as farre forth as Rome they shamefully forged that Constantinople should not be aduanced so far forth as Rome a horrible corruption of a Counsell turning an affirmatiue to a negatiue Ta. And what can you make of that but Vitiūscriptoris an ouersight in the writer a matter easely ouerslipt Pa. These be your shamelesse shifts when matters bee apparantly proued against you but what haue your Romanistes left vncorrupted no not the holy Scriptures themselues and howe many bookes haue beene forged and foy sted in seuerall mens names some of them calling their owne dreames and fantazyes the Gospell of Thomas of Barthelmew and of Barnabe and what Epistles Canons and Decretalles haue beene published vnder the names of Clemens Cletus and Anacletus and of diuerse others well proued to be but forgeries And how many Monkes and Fryers seeking to coloure their fayned holinesse with the reuerent titles of auncient Fathers pre fixed the names of Augustine Ambrose Hierome Cyprian Isydore and of many others before diuerse of their owne fantasies and forgeries thereby prouiding to strengthen their kingdome of blindnesse and errour the which if by the wisedome of God had not beene playnely approued and manyfestly founde out wee might haue reuerenced a company of lousie Monkes Fryers vnder the names and titles of auncient and learned fathers Ta. Lette them answere for themselues that haue done these thinges and I beleeue if your owne mynisterie were well sifted we might find amongst them some that in their conuersation of life are not answerable to that semblance that they make when they be in the pulpite Pa. Haue you no better shiftes then these whereby to excuse your impieties let the world then iudge of your religion what it is that is thus propped vp with such counterfeit stuffe lyes fables dreames visions vnwritten verities and impossibilities Popery is a religion that can content it selfe with knowing vntruthes without further search to find out the truth Ta. They are but heretickes and schismytickes that will thus reporte our religion is approued by the Pope and who is fitter to decide of truth then hee that is the supreame heade of the Church Pa. And although that supreame authority were alowed which your Pope coulde yet neuer proue yet it will bee sayde that the right directions vnto the truth must bee discerned by the doctrine and not by the dignitie Ta. Then who shall bee iudge of this truth which you speake of Pa. God is truth and who shall be iudge of God Ta. That God is truth it cannot bee denyed but of matters in controuersie who shall be iudge of truth Pa. Who but he that shall iudge all at the last day and in the meane time he onely is the supreame iudge of truth The Father hath committed all iudgement to the Sonne and my iudgement is true saith Christ. Iohn 5. 8. Ta. But if the scriptures bee mistaken or misinterpreted who shall then giue censure but the Pope Pa. This strife sayeth Saint Augustine requireth a Iudge Iudicet ergo Christus Let Christ be Iudge and Optatus writing of the same matter sayeth There can be no Iudgement we must seeke for a Iudge from heauen but why knocke we at heauen when we haue his will here in the Gospell And we are further taught in the Gospell it selfe They haue Moses and the Prophets let them heare them Ta. You are loath I perceiue that the Pope shoulde bee your iudge yet when he speaketh truth I hope you wil vouchsafe him audience Pa. No doubt but so long as he speaketh truth wee will both heare him and beleeue him and so we would do by Balams Asse Ta. Then you will beleeue nothing for truth but what you finde testified by the scriptures Pa. Nothing else but what the scripture doth approue for your Mongrell Monkes and Fryers haue so corrupted and counterfeyted the auncient fathers that wee dare trust nothing but what is concordant and agreeing with the scriptures Ta. But doe you not finde it testified that there were manie things done by Christ that were not written Pa. And yet a very foolish presumption to impugne thinges that are written vppon supposall of those things that are vnwritten and Basyle giueth vs a caueat in the matter It is a manifest fall from faith and a sinne that argueth infinite pride eyther to leaue that which is written or to admit of that which is not written Ta. This common frequent that is had to the scriptures by euery ignorant man hath opened the gap to all kind of diuision of heresies schismes sects and disorders Pa. By

Church hath thus decreede and a good Catholicke should admit of nothing else nor neuer seeke further Pa. You were best to sticke fast to that ankerholde for if the authoritie of your Pope be not able to countervaile both Peter and Paul yea and to waigh vp Christ himselfe your whole religion is but Idolatry superstition and hypocrisie Ta. I tell you for the approbation of our religion although we had no Scriptures to helpe vs yet we haue such other circum stances whereby to confirme it as I hope the proudest Protestant in all your Colledge will be ashamed to make any doubt in the matter Pa. Our Protestants in the Colledge would be ashamed to make doubt of any thing that is apparantly true Ta. But they must haue scriptures for their confirmation I am sure they doe looke for that Pa. If it be for doubts in religion for matters of faith or for thinges that doe concerne our saluation they will beleeuc nothing but what is testified and to be approued by the Scriptures Ta. Then they stand vppon good securitie and so a man may trust a Dogge with a shoulder of mutton but these are vnbeleeuing Apostles that will not acknowledge Christ to be risen vnlesse with Thomas Dydimus they may feele the print of his woundes with their owne fingers but blessing light on them that haue not seene and yet will beleeue the Reuelations that haue bin sent the Visions that haue beene seene and the Myracles that haue bin wrought to the comfort of Catholickes and the confirmation of their religion let all the Diuines that be in your Colledge that doth so much impugne our Catholicke religion bring foorth but one Myracle that doth make for them and we will drop ten for one against them for the approuing of ours Pa. Indeed we bring no Myracles whereby to fortifie our religion but such as were performed by Christ and his Apostles many hundred yeares sithens Ta. And they be old ande ouer worne but we haue them euerie day spicke and span newe Miracles vppon Myracles one in anothers necke and those most admirable and strange to be reported Pa. And I thinke no lesse incredible to be beleeued Ta. For the certainety of them there is none will doubt but heretickes and now if I should speake but of halfe the Myracles that are expressed in our Catholicke hystories I might easely find matter wherewith to begin but neuer finde time when to make an ende I will therefore ouerpasse our Golden Legend a whole volume of Miracles extant in Folio besides many other that are contained in one holy booke of Conformities where mention is made aswell of birdes as beastes that came flocking together about Saint Francis to heare him preach and howe the Nighting gales and other singing birdes woulde come helpe him to sing Masse but these are of an old date I will therefore come to new matter what Myracles haue beene lately performed by our Lady of Hall set downe by Iustus Lypsius a most learned Iesuite who now but within these very few yeares write two learned Bookes full of Catholicke doctrine in the prayse of two Images the one of them called our Lady of Hall the other by the name of our Lady of Sichem both of them the Images of our blessed Lady the Virgine Mary the which two Images as Lypsius affirmeth haue performed greater myracles then the scriptures do testifie were done by Christ himselfe There is mention made of ten seuerall persons that were deliuered in a great extremitie from the danger of death but by thinking of our Lady of Hall Seuen others that were already dead were restored agayne to life being but layed before her Image now for curing of all maner of diseases as to make the dumbe to speake the deafe to heare the blind to see the lame to goe they are common things matters of small account shee dooth them with ease and great dexterity But amongst a number of other Myracles I will deliuer one for the comfort of Falconers Lypsius confidently reporteth in this foresaide booke that an angry disposed Lord would haue hanged his Falconer for loosing of his hawke and when the rope was about his necke and hee ready to bee executed hee did but call to his mind our Lady of Hall and at the very instant of his thought the hawke came flying and lighted on his shoulders and so saued his life I thinke I might weary the wisest man in Ireland if I shoulde set downe all what Lypsius hath reported of these two Ladies Pa. Doth your Lady of Hall vse to take no money for these cures you speake of doth she all these thinges gratis without any further consideration Ta. What miserable wretch would be so vngratefull as not to bestowe an offering of the mother of mercy Pa. Then I see it is not out of kinde for Ladies to take offerings but doe you call your Lady of Hall the mother of mercy Ta. Patricke be not an enemy to thine owne destruction doe but consider of this that followeth and vse thine owne iudgement This booke thus published by Lypsius of the Myracles that were performed by our Lady of Hall was contradicted by a Protestant minister of the lowe countries whereuppon Clarus Bonarscius a famous and a most learned Iesuite that was abiding in Antiwarpe but within these three or foure yeares which worthie champion of the Church of Rome incountered this deprauing Protestant this lowe countrey minister writing a booke agaynst him which he intituled The great Theater of the Iesuites honour in which booke amongst a great deale of other Catholicke matter in a most eloquent and learned manner he inveyeth and bitterly rageth against Protestants in generall forbearing to disgrace neither prince nor pesant that are not deuoted to the Catholicke Church of Rome and was not ashamed to detect and reprooue some Protestant princes particularly without any respect either to their estate or dignitie hauing thus clarkly rayled and raged against them he spendeth a little time to speake of his friend Lip sius whom when he had highly extolled for his Catholick zeale in writing of those 2. bookes he composeth an excellent poeme in the honour of our Lady of Hall the which he dedicateth to her selfe and to her young sonne In this Poeme amongst other Catholicke matters he confidently affirmeth the milke of our Lady to bee equall in comparison with the bloud of Christ and that our sinnes are cured aswell by her milke as by his bloud That God hath diuided his king dome with our Lady reseruing iustice to himselfe and yeelding mercy to her That a man may appeale from God to our Lady and that sins are sooner forgiuen by her intercession then by the mediation of Iesus Christ. Pa. But is it possible Syr Tady that any such booke shoulde be extant as you report wherein should bee published so horrible blasphemy Ta. Are you not ashamed to vse any such tearmes or to aske any such question I tell you there

is enough they both of them ac knowledge a reall presence to the mouth and teeth but nowe comes Bonauenture he affirmeth flatly that he is no lesse present in the stomacke then he is in the mouth marry whether he goes downe to the belly or noe he stands in doubt because of the diuersitie of opinions that are holden and yet he liketh not That the body of Christ should go into the belly of a mouse or be cast forth by the drought And heere hee sheweth a Catholicke reason why Because the eares of well disposed persons would abhorre that and heretickes and Infidels would iest at it and laugh vs to scorne that would defend it But Alexander de Hales in despight of heretickes and infidels both doth confidently affirme that if a dogg or a hogg should eate the wholl consecrated Host is no cause sayth he but the Lordes body should goe there withall into the belly of that dogg or hogg But now amongst the rest blessed Thomas Aquinas that holy Saint doth sharpely reproue those that thinke contrary Some haue sayd sayth he that as soone as the sacrament is taken of a mouse or a dog straight way the body blood of Christ doth cease to be there but this is a derogation to the truth of this Sacrament Pa. But tell mee truth Syr Tady haue you not wronged those Authors that you haue heere named haue you cited their words no other wise then they themselues haue set them downe Ta. Now God and our blessed Lady defend that I shoulde so iniurie them it were a shame for mee to belie them their owne workes are extant and to bee seene and there are a huge swarme of others a wholl sect of Thomistes that doe vphold all these positions enough to make all the protestants that be in Ireland to blush but that they are past shame But amongst the rest and for the better credit to the cause Antonius Arch-Bishop of Florence and Petrus de ṗludo ioyned both together affirming that the body of Christ may not onely bee eaten of a mouse but also it may be vomited vp by the mouth and purged downe to the draught these bee their owne wordes Therefore the body and bloud of Christ remayne in the belly or stomacke or vomit or in whatsoeuer course of nature so long as the shews of bread and wine remaine if they be vomitted or purged before they be altered as sometimes with those that are troubled with the flux euen there is the body of Christ Pa. O peace Syr Tady no more for the shame of your selfe of all the papistes in the worlde bee these the nuttes you haue to cracke O loathsome stuffe vnfitte to be spoken of mine cares doe glow to heare these grosse and barbarous repetitions is this the reall presence that you so much striue for are these the learned authorities which you so highly extoll call you these Saintes that doe teach such filthy and loathsome diuinitie no maruel though you account traytors for martyrs when your Pope hath such cunning to make Saints of blasphemers Ta. I tell thee true that some of these that I haue named are Saints Canonized by the Church of Rome and for the diuinitie they haue taught and spread if it were not sound religious and holy doe you thinke it could passe as it doth ratified confirmed and approued by the mother Church so many yeares vncorrected or vncontrould But I cannot blame ye though you blush you may well bee ashamed to see our holy Masse that so many heretickes doe seeke to impugne howe it is established vpholden and fortified by no meane nor simple authoritie I warrant yee Pa. I see indeed that those that haue no regard of their cōsciēces before God haue lesse care of their credites before men but it is time to giue ouer reasoning with papistes when they seeke out such nuttes as these be for protestants to cracke and some other busines calling me away I will therefore leaue you Ta. Well Patricke then for a parting blowe let me aduise thee yet a little for thine owne good be not obstinate but be ruld by me it shall be for thy benefit Pa. What is it sir Tady to forsake my religion to turn papist Ta. A papist as you cal it but in truth a true christian a●●●cōciled childe to the Catholicke Church thou shalt thereby shewe thy selfe to be a naturall Hibernian where now thou remainest a steine to thy country what an Irishman a protestant it is Rara auis in terris I will tell thee Patricke and I will tell thee truely thou wert better to be reputed a traitor to the King then to be accounted as thou art thus open mouthed against the Pope the one perhaps may find some fewe enemies to prosecute him but the other shall find euery man readie to persecute him Pa. Syr Tady when I meane to turne traytor to the King I will followe your counsayle I will turne papist Ta. And vntill thou dost show thy selfe to be a professed papist indeede thou shalt find little friendshippe in Ireland And so farewell FINIS

the light which we haue receiued from the scriptures your holy father can neyther merchādize the soules nor emptie the purses of so many men as he was wont to doe Ta. I tell you it is not necessary that the vnlearned and ignorant people should either looke into the Scriptures or vnderstande our prayers Pa. Nor may they not heare them reade when they come to Church Ta. Wherefore should they else come to church but to heare both Matins and Masse Pa. Then these words Beati qui audiunt verbum Dei et custodiunt ipsum is thus to be vnderstoode Blessed are they that heare the word of God and knowes not what it meaneth Ta. Our doctrine is very curious not for all to vnderstand Pa. Pray God it be not as dangerous for any to followe Ta. If there be any danger in the seruice of the Church it must be amongst Protestants where euery blinde minister may goe vp into a pulpite and teach what he list Pa. Indeede the Protestant ministers haue not halfe so manie trickes and turns whips and slips mops and moes as your priest that is at Masse Ta. Euery vnlearned Catholicke doth knowe his time when to stand vp when to kneele downe when to adore when to say Amen when to come and when to goe Pa. Indeede vse doth worke misteries and long practise hath taught them to keepe their Row to kneel when they heare the Sance-bell ring to adore when they see the Hoast ouer the priests head to stand vp when he is walking of his statiōs from the one ende of the Altar to the other but may this knowledge serue thinke you for saluation Ta. Doe you make doubt of that if the people but know this and when to say Amen it is enough Pa. How vnwise was Saint Paul then not to foresee this method for as it should seeme by his Epistle to the Corinthians the people were as good to say Amen when the Sance-bell ringeth as to the priest when he mumbleth vp his Liturgies which neyther himselfe nor they vnderstande Ta. I will not speake of the peoples knowledge but I say hee is but a sory priest that doth not vnderstand asmuch as is contayned in his Portes Pa. It is an easie matter indeede for a priest to say Masse out of his owne booke but to vnderstand what hee readeth it were a goodly matter to finde one amongst tenne that could doe it Ta. To reade well and distinctly is as much as we require wee are not so precise as your puritan Protestants Pa. Yet none more ignorant then your puritan papists as one of your Catholicke priests approued himselfe at the Christening of a childe Ta. I neuer heard of the name before nor I beleeue your selfe did euer know a papist that was a puritan Pa. Ireland is full of them where we may find more precise folly amongst the papistes of that country then is to bee founde in Italy or Spaine Ta. Your country-men I perceiue are little beholding to you but out with your ta●e of the christening of a child wher you say a papist did showe himselfe a puritan Pa. If you will haue it for a tale let it passe for a tale a true tale it is and thus it followeth but yet within the compasse of memorie an honest townsman whose name was Browne had kept his eldest sonne so long to schooll that in the beginning of Queene Maries raygne being growne vp to mans estate for his great learning and clarkeship was thought fitte to be made a massing priest by the aduise of his friendes and his owne assent he tooke orders and where beefore hee was called by the name of Tom Browne by his priestly dignitie he had this adition and was cald by the name of Sir Thomas Tom Browne It was not long but he was inuested with a benefice and a childe was brought to him to be baptized our priest that had neuer christned before betooke himselfe aforehand to looke ouer his booke and reading till he came to Abrenuntias Sathanum et omniaopera at these wordes he began to blesse himselfe and making the signe of the Crosse on his forehead he called to his assistance the Clarke that stood fast by and demanded of him what those wordes might meane the Clarke that was as ignorant as master parson himselfe tould him he vnderstoode no latine and therefore coulde not satisfie him whereuppon Syr Thomas was strucke into a great amazement for he vnderstoode neuer a worde but Sathanum and that he was sure was latine for the deuill And for the diuelles name to be vsed in the christening of a childe hee thought was far vnfit for so godly an exercise thinking therefore the worde to bee mistaken would needes seeke out a better to supply the place scraping out Sathanum he put in Christum And thus where it stood before wilt thou forsake the diuell and all his workes Syr Thomas had in this sort mended the matter Wilt thou forsake Christ and all his workes to the which the gossips in the childes name must answer Abrenuncio I forsake them Ta. I thought your tale would tend to a good purpose but admit that this were true yet here was no puritāisme the worst you can make of it was but a little mistaking and that proceeded from a godly zeale and a religious intent Pa. If you had ioyned ignorance with your zeale you hadde shot something neare the marke but by this you may perceyue how necessarie it is that both priest and people should vnderstād what is reade and taught in the Church Ta. In our prayers we speake to God and not to men there fore I see no reason why euery man should looke to vnderstand what we reade or what we say Pa. But it is the people and not God that needeth the priests voyce in the Church prayer Ta. The priest is the mouth of the Church and therefore hee must speake for the whole congregation Pa If it be needfull for the priest to speake it is as necessary for the people to vnderstand Ta. It is needfull for the priest to speake and to make intercession for the people vnto God but in such a language as is acceptable vnto God Pa. God with whom there is no respect of persons hath lesse respect to tongues Ta. The Hebrue Greeke and Latine were all three sanctified in our Sauiours Crosse and therefore it hath beene long sithens decreede by the holy Church that God should be honored and serued in one of those three learned languages Pa. But who set vppe those learned titles was it Christ or Pylate Ta. What though they were set vp by Pylate those three languages were onely dedicated to the Crosse Pa. Then Pilates impietie that deliuered Christ to bee crucified proclaiming the sonne of God for a traytor and to aspire the Crowne of Iurie in Hebrue Greeke and Latine must prescribe a rule to the Church of God against the Apostle Corin. 14. Ta. It is enough to say that the