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A85845 The case of ministers maintenance by tithes, (as in England,) plainly discussed in conscience and prudence. Humbly propounded to the consideration of those gentlemen of the committee, who are in consultation about it. / By John Gauden, D.D. Gauden, John, 1605-1662. 1653 (1653) Wing G344; Thomason E220_1; ESTC R3663 45,053 49

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