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A33929 A compendious discourse about some of the greatest matters of Christian faith propounded and explained between a minister and an enquiring Christian ... : and also may serve for an answer to two books, one called The practical discourse of the sovereignty of God, the other called The death of death, by the death of Christ, written by J.O. : whereunto is annexed a very brief appendix / written by T. Collier. Collier, Thomas, fl. 1691. 1682 (1682) Wing C5274; ESTC R20632 146,911 256

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to be Wiser in our own Conceit than our Lord and Law-giver 4. Whoever fixeth the sin and damnation of the World on the eternal Decree of God and not on mans chosen and willful wickedness as the first just and deserving cause thereof but fathers both the sin and Judgment on the eternal Decree of God as the first cause of both denyeth the Scripture belieth the Lord and believeth a lie Ezek. 33. 11. Joh. 3. 16 19. 1 Tim. 2. 4. Rev. 22. 17. 5. Whoever denyeth the Love God to the world in the gift of his Son affirming that he loved but a few of the Elect only denieth the Scripture and believeth a lye Luk. 2. 10. Joh. 3. 16. 6. Whoever denieth that Jesus Christ gave himself for the life of the World a ransom for all a Propitiation for the sins of the World affirming that he died but for a few the Elect only denieth the Scripture and believeth a lye Joh. 6. 51. 1 Tim. 2. 6. 1 Joh. 2. 2. 7. Whoever affirmeth that men are no more capable to believe and obey the Gospel unto life than Bruit Beasts or Stones or a dead Corps and yet that God will damn them for not believing thereof it being both unscriptural irrational and dishonourable unto God denieth the Scripture and doth open wrong both to God and men and believeth a lye Ro 3. 3 4 5. 8. Whoever believeth and teacheth Salvation by an inconditional Covenant and Justification by faith without works denieth the Scripture and believeth a lye Mar. 16. 15 16. Rev. 22. 14. Jam. 2. 20. Christ Ro. 4 5. Is much made use of to prove Justification by faith without works But to him that worketh not but believeth on him that Justifieth the ungodly his faith is counted for righteousness Min. 1. If we hold Justification without works a● must then hold Salvation without works because every Justified person is in a saved state Ro. 8. 30. and so bid a due to works both as to Justification and Salvation 2. So to understand the Apostle in this or any other Scripture is to set him in direct opposition to Christ and all the Apostles which we may in no case do 1. Contrary to Christ Mat. 7. 21 24. and contrary to his Commission for Gospel Preaching and Salvation Mat. 16. 15 16. 2. Contrary to the rest of the Apostles Heb. 5. 9. 10. 36. 12. 14. Contrary to James ch 2. 24. Ye see then how that by works a man is Justified and not by faith only ch 1. 22. 25. Contrary to Peter 2 Pet. 1. 5. to 12. and Contrary to John 1 Joh. 2. 3 4 5 6. v. 17. he that doth the will of God abideth for ever 3. So to understand Paul in that Scripture not only sets Paul against Christ and all the Apostles but against himself and that in the same Epistle who Commonly states Salvation upon Obedience to the Gospel tho not as the deserving cause but as the Terms without which is no Obtaining thereof ch 2. 7 8 9 10. and we may not suppose the Apostle to be so inconsiderate as to contradict himself and that in the same Epistle 4. It 's most Aparent the Apostle intends not Gospel works in that place but the works of the Law as such compared with ch 3. 20 21. By the deeds of the Law there shall no Flesh be Justified v. 28. Therefore we conclude that a man is Justified by faith without the deeds of the Law but not without the deeds of the Gospel that contradicts the whole Gospel and the design of the Apostle as is most apparent 9. Whoever denieth the danger of believers falling from grace now in this imperfect state and holdeth and teacheth the impossibility thereof doth wrong to me● denieth the Scripture and believeth a lie Rom. 8 13 11. 20. Heb. 3. 12 4. 11. 2 Pet. 3. 17. 1 Tim. 1. 19 20. 10. Whoever denieth the restitution of all things the world to come and the eternal Kingdom and Glory of Christ and his Church therein denyeth the Scripture and believeth a lie Act. 3. 21. 2 Pet. 3. 13. Rev. 11. 15 22. 5. Mar. 10. 30. 11. Whoever believeth and teacheth that when Christ the Lord and Judge doth come again from Heaven to judge the world in righteousness Act. 17. 31. that he will ●urn up the world and not make it new and carrry away the saints with him to heaven and send all the world eternally to hell in their sense viz. that none of them shall have any advantage at all by the womans seed denieth the truth and glory of Christs undertaking for the world and a great part if not the whole of his kingdom and glory in the world to come and so denieth the Scripture and believeth a lie the truth of this see cleared in the next chapter 12. Whoever demeth the free operations of the Gospel Spirit in the word and work of Grace or in the ministerial gifts in prophesie and preaching as sufficient thereunto limiting Gospel ministerial gifts and offices in the Church of Christ to human acquired abilities denieth the sufficiency of the Gospel Spirit in the Gospel work introducing the human spirit instead thereof and is in the depth of the Apostacy 1 Cor. 2. 12 12. 4. 7. 13. Whoever setteth up the common light that is in all men instead of Christ and the Spirit of the Gospel is in the Apostacy and believeth a lye Christ Some sa● that some of these things Especially the 4 5 6 7 8 9 particuars are the great Bulwarks against popery and that to assert such things as these tends to weaken the protestants and to strengthen the hands of the Papists Min. I hope these are not the best Bulwarks and strength of Protestants against Papists if it were it would surely fail in the time of need 2. If these things has been the strength of Protestants against Popery it 's no marvel so little is done for advantage to the Protestant interest and conviction of Papists if we lay the foundation in falshood and build thereupon it 's no marvel we are not blest of God and Popery gain upon us 3. Let Protestants fall in with the truth of the Gospel as it is in Jesus both in principle and practice Especially in these great and fundamental parts thereof and they will have enough to bear up with great authority from Scripture against Popery in all its parts 1. Hold firm to this both in principle and practice that the Scripture is in it self the alone sufficient ground and rule in all matters of Christian faith and Religion and needs not the Churches Authority for it's warrant nor the inventions traditions or additions of men which as it's a Christian so it 's a Protestant principle 2. Let the Express letter plain reason and scope of Scripture united in and with it self without the harsh and contradictory interpretations of men or consequences drawn contrary to and against the express light language and
of our Nature thereby whatever it be without act or consent to sin shall bring under the guilt and punishment of the second Death the contrary being unscriptural and irrational to be imagined CHAP. VII Of the Apostasie spoken of in Scripture Christ I Desire to enquire into the Apostasie spoken of in Scripture what you understand it is and wherein it does consist Min. That there is an Apostasie from the Faith prophetically foretold in Scripture I think is that which few do doubt or question but what it is and wherein it does consist I fear but few do rightly enquire into but all are willing to excuse themselves and put it upon others as Adam upon the Woman and the Woman upon the Serpent so it is put all upon the Pope and upon the Devil far enough from our selves neither Papist nor Protestant will have any share therein but put it upon each other thou art the Man and not I. Christ The case being so on what particular Sort or Sect of People by Name may it be fixed Min. I shall not fix it only on any particular Sort or Sect of People by name but give some account what it is and wherein it consists and where the Marks thereof are found there it 's likely to be tho I cannot leave out the Turkish Alkoran and Mahometan Religion nor the Papal profession as chief and head in this Apostasie the one professing to own Christ but only as a great Prophet but Mahomet to be greater the other to own Christ really in word but the Pope ●● be his Vicar great High Priest and head of the Church and so truly and really in act and deed to be above him as is manifest by all his doings but in as much as it has spread it self so universally and containeth such variety of parts I shall only endeavour its discrimmation leaving the application to all concerned therein 1. Then I conclude that the Apostasie spoken of in Scripture consists in departing from the truth of the Gospel both in matters of Faith and practice but chiefly in matters of Faith because Faith includes practice and practice followeth Faith and that it 's stated in these and the like Scriptures 2 Thes 3. to 12. Let no man deceive you by any means for that day shall not come except there be a falling away first c. Which falling away as it 's explained to relate to the Man of sin so it is to believe lies vers 3 11. 1 Tim. 4. 1 2 3. Now the Spirit speaketh expresly that in the latter times some shall depart from the Faith 2 Tim. 3. 1 to 9. This know also that in the latter days perillous times shall come and vers 8. They are reprobate or of no judgment concerning the Faith ch 4. 4. They shall turn away their Ears from the truth and be turned unto Fables Now our search must be to find out where these things really are and there the apostasie is where ever lies are believed in stead of truth and the truth thereby denyed such are in the apostasie that consisting in believing lies 1. Whosoever denieth Jesus Christ crucified for our sins raised and ascended to be the Son of God and the Son of David truly God and man and as so to be the alone foundation of Gospel faith grace and glory denyeth the gospel and the faith thereof and is in the Apostasie 1 Cor. 3. 11. 2. 2. 15. 3. 4. Luk. 2. 32. 2. Who ever denyeth in word or deed Jesus Christ crucified raised and ascended to be the alone head Lord and Lawgiver of and to his Church and that subjection in all things does not of right belong to him is deeply in the apostasie Eph. 5. 23 24. Col. 1. 18. Act. 3. 22. Luk. 19. 14. 27. Christ But few profest Christians will in word deny these things but all profess to own him as the Foundation Head and Lord of his Church Min. Notwithstanding persons may in word confess him so to be yet whoever layeth any other foundation of faith and life than Jesus Christ crucified or chooseth to themselves or submitteth to any other Lord or Law giver in things truly divine and Spiritual viz in matters of Gospel saith and Worship besides Christ the Lord whether Papal or others do really and indeed deny Christ to be the foundation of Christian faith or to be the Head and Lord of his Church and whoever accepteth such a headship Executing thereof usurpeth his Authority of whom the papal Head has been chief and leader in this matter the exercise of human coercive power in things properly belonging to Jesus Christ viz. all matters of faith and worship wherein conscience toward God and our Lord Jesus Christ alone is concerned being that which does really out and end his Lordship and rule in this matter and in this the Scripture seems to place the head of the apostasie at which door most of the errours both in faith and Worship has been ushered in 2 Thes 2. 4. gives us a full discription of this Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God or that is Worshipped so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God shewing himself that he is God viz he setteth himself and sitteth where God alone should rule viz in and over the conscience in divine things which is proper only to Jesus Christ giving Laws to men on this account which must be submited to whatever Jesus Christ the Lord has said to the contrary and wherever and as long as this Spirit liveth and worketh the Pope nor Apostasie will not die 3. Who ever denyeth the Holy Scriptures to be the alone ground and rule of Christian faith in all matters of Gospel faith and Worship and that it is not sufficient in it self to wise and instruct us therein without mens inventions additions and harsh interpretations is deeply in the Apostasie The reasons there of are 1. Because it being the divine Revelation of the will of God it 's sufficient in it self for our instruction To make us Wise unto Salvation Isa 8. 20. Ps 119. 98 99. 2 Tim. 3. 15 16 17. 2. Because otherwise our faith and obedience must depend on human Authority and not on the divine word and will of God and so must be a human faith and Worship and not divine and how far this is from the Popish faith to believe as the Church believeth and Worship as the Church requireth is easie to be understood by a weak capacity 3. Because without the divine Revelation of the will of God in these matters we must have been as other Gentile Nations that are without it and never heard thereof and therefore in reason we ought to submit thereto in all things according to our knowledge therein having no other rule to submit unto that is divine in things of Gospel concern so that if we turn away from this we turn away from Christianity it self in the truth thereof thereby declaring our selves
cause Joh. 6 78. and 12. ●7 did free in love lay down his life a sacrifice for the World a ●● som for●all Joh. 10. 17 18. and 6. 51. 1 Tim. 2. Heb. 2. 9. 1 Joh. 2. 27 and was raised again from dea● by his Father's and his own power Act. 2. 24 32. J●● 10. 17 18. no more to return to corruption Act. 1● 3 Rom. 6. 9. and is ascended into heaven to the right h● of the Majesty on high in performance of his mediatory Office for men Mar. 16. 19. Heb. 1. 3. 1 Tim. 2. 5. made Head Lord and Law-giver to and of his Body the Church Eph. 5. 23 24. Col. 1. 18. and Head over all things to and for the Church Eph. 1. 22. 7. That after his resurrection and before his ascention having received all power from the Father he sent forth the Gospel by commission in the authority of the Father Son and holy Spirit in unity to be published to the World without respect of persons that whoover do believe and obey him therein may be saved and whoever do neglect or reject it shall be damned Matth. 28. 18 19. Mark 16. 15 16. Luk. 24. 47. 2 Tim. 2. 10. and that the promise of life is to Gospel-Faith and Works as the terms thereof and not to Faith alone without Works Works Matth. 7. 21 24. Jam. 2. 20. to 24. and that whoso do thus believe are the Elect and chosen of God 1 Thess 1. 4. to 8. 2. Thess 2. 13. Rom. 9. 29 24. and shall be saved Act. 16. 31. 8. That he hath and doth impower all by the Gospel where it comes in the light and truth thereof to believe and obey him therein this being so great and fundamental a truth that has not only the reason light and whose scope of Scripture for it but the contrary draws a black cloud and line over the Gospel of the free Grace of God to men nulling and ending thereof as all would easily understand and conclude were it tendred to Brutes on the terms it is to men and renders the righteous God to be unrighteous in the Judgment to sentence men for what they could not do through weakness and debility tho' God is at liberty in the degrees of his operations to conversion while he doth enough for all Matth. 25. 14 15. the promise of the Spirit being to believers after believing Joh. 7. 38 39. Act 2. 38. and 5. 32. Ephes 1. 13. and to be obtained by promise in the way of Faith and Prayer Luk. 11. 13. And likewise that believers while in this mortal sinful and imperfect estate are in danger through temptation to fail of and fall from the Grace of God Heb. 3. 12. and 12. 15. and 4. 11. the knowledge of which tends much for their safety in keeping up their watch and war Luk. 21. 36. Rom. 11. 20. and the contrary is a dangerous way to usher in carnal security presumption and apostasie from the Faith Rom 11. 20. 1 Cor. 10. 12 and that the certain way of security and preservation to the glory promised is by constancy in the faith and obedience of the Gospel in doing and suffering the will of God 1 Pet. 1. 5. and 4. 19. 2 Pet. 1. 10. Matth. 10. 22. Heb. 10. 36. and for our assistance in this way we have the promise of Christ if we diligently seek it Matth. 7. 7 8 11. Luk. 11. 13. 9. That Jesus Christ raised and ascended shall come again from Heaven at the time appointed in power and great glory Matth. 24. 30. to raise and judge both the qui●k and dead at his appearing and kingdom Joh. 5. 28. 2 Tim. 4. 1. which Judgment shall be universal Zeph. 3. 8. Matth. 25. 32. R●v 3. 13. just and righteous Act. 17. 31. Rom. 3. 5 6. Rev. 22. 12. very great terrible and eternal J●el 2. 3● Rev 6. 15 16 17. Heb. 6. 2. yet mixed with mercy 2 Tim. 1. 18. Act. 3. 19. Jude v. 21. 10. That then and after this glorious appearing resurrection and Judgment he will effect the restitution of all things Act. 3. 21. bring in the new and restored World wherein shall dwell righteousness 2 Pet. 3. 13. called in Scripture the world to come Ephes 1. 21. Heb. 2. 5. in and over which shall be his Eternal Kingdom and Glory with his Church Dan. 7. 14. Rev. 11. 15. and 22. 5. Under which Kingdom and Government the generality of Mankind shall after the Judgment enjoy son●e blessing and favour and acknowledge worship and serve the Lamb the Lord Jesus for ever by whom they have been redeemed to this new life and world Gen. 22. 18 Psal 22. 27. Zeph. 3. 9. Phil. 2. 9 10. Rev. 5. 13. And the whole Creation that was brought under curse and vanity by the sin of man shall with man be restored and have their shar● sutable to their then capacities in the glorious restitution new World and liberty of the sons of God Act. 3. 21. Rom. 8. 21. this being the glorious issue designed of God by Christ in the Gospel the sum and substance of all the Scriptures spoken of by all the holy Prophets since the World began Act. 3 21. and will be the ●●●shing thereof as declared by the Prophets and Apostles of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ Rev. 10. 7. with 11. 15. O therefore let us believe it and not spurn against it lest we miss of the Faith of the Gospel to which the life thereof is promised Mark ●6 15 16. there is no Gospel without it in the Doctrine it 's glad or good tydings to all the Creation and this must be our faith which brings us under the promise of life and faithful is he that promised and will not deceive us if we deceive not our selves with a false faith Heb. 10. 23. 2 Pet. 3. 13. Therefore I say let us believe it rejoyce in it and pray for it as the holy Prophet as one overcome in the deep contemplation of this very glory the whole Psalm does demonstrate unto us and with whose Words I shall at present conclude this Discourse Psal 72. 18 19. Blessed be the Lord God the God of Israel who only doth wondrou● th●ngs and blessed he his glorious Name for ever and let the whole Earth be filled with his glory Amen Amen THE Appendix WHerein is presented 1. Certain Queries of weighty concern relative to the foregoing Discourse 2. The general and special or particular expressions as stated in the Scripture about the general and special Grace of God to Men. Querie 1. Whether to believe that God reprobated any of Mankind by an Eternal Decree to sin and be damned is not contrary to the whole Scripture Name and Nature of God in which it's expresly said that he made all Good Gen. 1. 31. And that it was sin brought in and will bring in the condemnation as the deserving cause thereof and whether we have not grounds to believe it to be impossible for so Wise Holy
scope of Scripture be adhered to especially in the greatest matters of faith and practice otherwise our faith and practice must be built on mens Interpretations and not on Scripture Revelation and further admit we of mens Interpretations of plain and express Scriptures or of the more dark so as to contradict that which is plain as it 's the ready way to make an end of the truth of Scripture so in reason one mans Interpretation is as good to himself as anothers is to himself and so in Infinitum which fill us with divisions meerly from Interpretations of men and not from any obs●urity or contradiction in the Scripture 4. And so as an effect hereof maintain Christian Scripture and Protestant liberty in Religion in opposition to the Popish Scriptureless Principle and protested against by Protestants as exercised by Papists viz. by human power to compel to believe as the Church believeth which perverteth the Scripture denyeth the headship of Christ and the Scripture and Christian liberty of Christians and establisheth the Pope in his Persecutions to the great blame and shame of Protestants 5. That Jesus Christ as he was the alone Sacrifice for the sins of the World so he is the alone foundation of Christian Faith and the alone Mediator between God and Man that he shall come again from Heaven to raise and judg the quick and the dead at his coming and Kingdom and to perfect the Adoption and Redemption the Restitution of all things the great ends of his undertaking 6. That whoever do believe and obey the Gospel shall be saved and that Gospel-Faith and Works are so united by the Lord in order to both Justification and Salvation as without which it cannot be obtained tho not as the cause but as the Holy terms thereof 7. These things being th●s fixed to by Protestants and pleaded out both by word and deed would root up Popery Root and Branch all the rest of their Scriptureless and Fabulous inventions and devices as Transubstantiation Image-worship multiplicity of Mediators Sacrifices of the Mass and Eucharist for quick and dead Pardons Pilgrimages and Purgatory with all the rest of their human inventions would fall to the ground if these forementioned Christian and Scripture Principles were soundly pleaded out and lived to by Protestants Christ I perceive that the Apostasie has been very great and more universal than has been imagined and likewise that the danger thereof is very great Min. I take it to be a matter of highest concern to all to lay these things to heart in time and not to make light thereof it being the great things of the Gospel and of weighty concern it is to come right herein and I doubt not but that oy a due and true enquiry we may come to know better where we are and what to do in the great matters of God and the Gospel wherein his name and honour the honour of Christ the Gospel the good of all Men and our own safety is so much concerned Christ Your self have been sometimes differingly minded about some of these things do you think you are wholly gotten out and free from the Apostasie Min. I do not so think much less so say but repent of my former ignorance and mistake in any of these things taken up by Tradition blessing God for any of his teachings waiting on him for further light and leading in the right understanding of his mind and will in his word and that what I understand I may be Faithful to him therein in which way I may expect his further teachings Hos 6. 3. Joh. 7. 17. My real desire being to attain unto the Faith that was once delivered to the Saints Jude vers 3. Which is the great concern of all that make mention of and call upon the name of the Lord Jesus and in a humble and self-denying way of seeking and waiting they may and shall obtain Ps 25. 4 5 9 14. The sum of all I desire is to come right in the Faith Love and Life of the Gospel which is the great concern of all that do expect to Glorfie God here and to be Glorified with him hereafter CHAP. VIII Sheweth that there shall be not only a special but a general Salvation effected by Christ in the Restitution and World to come in and over which shall be his Eternal Kingdom Christ IN chap. 3. You shewed the general Love of God to the World in the gift of his Son and the general Love of Christ in dying for the World with the varieties of the ends thereof all certainly to be effected in the times appointed I desire you in this to speak something further of the great mystery of the Restitution and Salvation in the World to come and of the Eternal Kingdom of Christ therein Min. What is it in particular you desire to enquire into Christ That you clear from the Scripture the truth concerning the World to come and what it is Min. This I have largely spoken to in my answer to Mr. Coxe ch 7. Yet I shall at present say something briefly further to it for your present satisfaction 1. That there is a World to come is so plainly stated in the Scripture as that I think none dare deny it Mat. 12. 32. Mar. 10. 50. Eph. 1. 21. Heb. 2. 5. 2. What this world to come is or shall be 1. Negatively what it is not 1. It is not heaven above which is Gods throne as some vainly think and teach The reasons are 1. Because that is already and probably has been from Eternity Psa 11. 4. and 93. 2. but this is not but is a world that is yet to come and shall be in the times appointed 2. Because heaven is in Scripture no where called the world to come nor indeed could be so called because it has been and is in being but the World to come is not yet in being otherwise than in purpose and promise nor is heaven above which is called Gods throne at all called world or any part of the created world 3. Christ when he came into the world is not said to come out of or down from the world to come but that he came out from God and down from heaven Joh. 6. 38. 16. 30 17. 8. 4. When he ascended he is not said to ascend up into the World to come but that he ascended into heaven and up where he was before Mar. 16. 19. Joh. 6. 62. 2. It is not this present world as others do as vainly imagin that it is the Gospel day of Grace now in this world that this is not it the reasons are 1. This world was in being long before the world to come was spoken of and promised but that is a world that is not yet in being but is to come 2. Because that where the world to come is spoken of it's clearly in way of distinction from this world viz. this world and that which is to come clearly distinguishing them into two worlds