Linguistic DNA - Concept Modelling Demonstrator

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
authority_n	church_n	elder_n	pastor_n	2,080	5	9.0862	5	false

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A10620	An animadversion to Mr Richard Clyftons advertisement Who under pretense of answering Chr. Lawnes book, hath published an other mans private letter, with Mr Francis Iohnsons answer therto. Which letter is here justified; the answer therto refuted: and the true causes of the lamentable breach that hath lately fallen out in the English exiled Church at Amsterdam, manifested, by Henry Ainsworth.	Ainsworth, Henry, 1571-1622?	1613 (1613)	STC 209; ESTC S118900	140,504	148

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the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n the_fw-mi may_v be_v reason_n of_o their_o demand_n touch_v the_o christian_a church_n then_o to_o be_v plant_v but_o to_o ask_v such_o a_o thing_n about_o the_o jewish_a church_n i_o see_v little_a reason_n they_o know_v already_o the_o state_n of_o it_o and_o who_o be_v chief_n therein_o second_o christ_n answer_n lead_v we_o hereto_o for_o there_o be_v great_a expectation_n of_o that_o kingdom_n and_o a_o erroneous_a persuasion_n that_o it_o shall_v be_v a_o glorious_a worldly_a state_n christ_n tell_v they_o the_o contrary_a that_o it_o be_v for_o the_o 4._o convert_v and_o humble_a soul_n to_o enter_v into_o that_o many_o scandal_n and_o offence_n shall_v arise_v herein_o both_o from_o 7._o the_o world_n and_o from_o man_n corruption_n 8._o in_o themselves_o and_o from_o etc._n

their_o brethren_n against_o all_o which_o he_o arm_v his_o disciple_n and_o teach_v the_o orderly_a way_n to_o redress_v they_o and_o that_o his_o rule_n shall_v not_o be_v despise_v he_o assure_v they_o that_o their_o censure_n execute_v on_o earth_n shall_v be_v ratify_v 18._o in_o heaven_n the_o ground_n whereof_o be_v his_o 20._o name_n wherein_o they_o shall_v be_v gather_v together_o and_o his_o presence_n in_o the_o mid_n of_o they_o and_o this_o phrase_n of_o christ_n name_n lead_v we_o also_o evident_o unto_o the_o church_n under_o the_o gospel_n for_o it_o mean_v the_o clear_a manifestation_n of_o christ_n with_o the_o power_n and_o profession_n of_o he_o as_o act._n 2_o 38._o &_o 3_o 16_o &_o 4_o 12_o 17._o 2_o tim._n 2_o 19_o in_o respect_n whereof_o christ_n say_v to_o his_o disciple_n hitherto_o have_v you_o ask_v nothing_o in_o my_o name_n joh._n 16_o 24._o these_o rule_v therefore_o do_v most_o proper_o serve_v for_o the_o church_n since_o christ_n come_n &_o 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