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unlawful_a the_o major_n of_o this_o argument_n may_v easy_o be_v prove_v by_o sundry_a place_n of_o scripture_n viz._n 1._o thessaly_n 4.6_o 3._o joh._n 9_o prov._n 22.28_o deut._n 19_o â—4_n gal._n 5.1_o also_o it_o be_v ground_v upon_o the_o definition_n of_o justice_n which_o be_v as_o tully_n offic._n tully_n l._n 3._o offic._n justinian_n 2._o justinian_n instit_fw-la l._n 1._o tit_n 1._o p._n 2._o and_o other_o say_v to_o give_v every_o one_o his_o own_o and_o so_o much_o import_v the_o word_n according_a to_o the_o etymology_n or_o precise_a signification_n of_o it_o both_o in_o greek_a 7._o greek_a 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d arist_n l._n 5._o ethic._n c._n 7._o and_o latin_n 4050._o latin_n in_o à _fw-la jure_fw-la funger_n ety_n tril_v p._n 4050._o the_o minor_a be_v as_o manifest_v 1._o by_o mr._n pagets_n own_o testimony_n in_o pag._n 66._o where_o he_o confess_v that_o they_o have_v conclude_v among_o themselves_o in_o their_o synod_n that_o no_o particular_a congregation_n without_o the_o leave_n and_o consent_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la shall_v proceed_v to_o the_o election_n of_o minister_n excommunication_n of_o offender_n and_o the_o like_a as_o they_o have_v go_v in_o this_o act_n far_o bejond_a their_o call_n for_o as_o mr._n barlow_n 357._o barlow_n ‡_o expos_fw-gr on_o 2._o tim._n 1._o v._n 13._o doct_n 6_o pag._n 357._o say_v no_o man_n under_o the_o degree_n of_o a_o prophet_n or_o a_o apostle_n may_v prescribe_v god_n church_n and_o child_n pattern_n so_o by_o it_o be_v the_o whole_a power_n of_o church_n in_o a_o manner_n take_v quite_o away_o for_o instance_n say_v the_o class_n and_o synod_n will_v not_o permit_v that_o a_o congregation_n shall_v reject_v some_o convict_a heretic_n then_o they_o must_v if_o they_o will_v believe_v mr._n paget_n let_v they_o alone_o in_o their_o communion_n against_o god_n express_a commandment_n and_o so_o obey_v man_n rather_o then_o god_n 3.10_o tit._n 3.10_o again_o put_v case_n some_o 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it_o be_v a_o sin_n to_o do_v it_o the_o proposition_n can_v be_v except_v against_o for_o the_o scripture_n herein_o be_v evident_a deut._n 4.2_o josh_n 1.7_o prov._n 30.6_o gal._n 3.15_o rev._n 22.18.19_o if_o it_o be_v a_o capital_a crime_n to_o adulterate_a the_o king_n coin_n how_o much_o more_o etc._n etc._n and_o of_o this_o judgement_n be_v many_o learned_a man_n viz._n augustine_n faust_n augustine_n l._n 30._o c._n 18._o cont_n faust_n basil_n 14._o basil_n moral_a c._n 14._o chrisostome_n 1_o chrisostome_n in_o agg._n c._n 1_o cyrill_n 9_o cyrill_n in_o levit._n l._n 9_o bede_n 5_o bede_n in_o 1._o pet._n 5_o cope_n 30.6_o cope_n in_o prov._n 30.6_o d._n abbot_n 15._o abbot_n agai_n hill_n pag._n 15._o brentius_n 168._o brentius_n in_o exod._n 35._o p._n 168._o mr._n cartwright_n 30.6_o cartwright_n in_o prov._n 30.6_o melancton_n 381._o melancton_n upon_o col._n 2_o 23._o p._n 381._o elton_n and_o other_o the_o assumption_n can_v for_o shame_n be_v deny_v only_o because_o the_o weight_n of_o the_o
2_o sect_n 4._o excommunication_n precise_o and_o chief_o pertain_v to_o the_o church_n and_o that_o she_o have_v authority_n to_o commit_v the_o execution_n thereof_o to_o some_o special_a person_n for_o that_o purpose_n and_o choose_v for_o that_o end_n to_o the_o same_o effect_n willet_n 2._o willet_n synop_n count_v 4._o qu._n 4_o p._n 2._o and_o tailor_n 712._o tailor_n comm._n on_o tit._n ch_z 3._o v._n 10._o p._n 712._o say_v that_o excommunication_n be_v the_o common_a action_n of_o the_o church_n and_o not_o of_o any_o private_a person_n or_o person_n what_o more_o obvious_a and_o clear_a by_o these_o man_n testimony_n then_o that_o every_o particular_a congregation_n have_v power_n full_o in_o itself_o to_o perform_v all_o god_n ordinance_n but_o have_v not_o mr._n paget_n in_o the_o mean_a time_n just_a cause_n to_o blush_v who_o deny_v to_o the_o church_n of_o god_n that_o due_a power_n which_o the_o learned_a of_o all_o profession_n do_v grant_v unto_o she_o for_o the_o nonconformist_n i_o have_v already_o show_v that_o they_o consent_v full_o with_o we_o 23._o pag._n 23._o notwithstanding_o some_o thing_n more_o i_o will_v here_o speak_v of_o they_o and_o the_o rather_o because_o time_n be_v when_o mr._n paget_n do_v esteem_v they_o to_o be_v a_o multitude_n of_o godly_a and_o learned_a minister_n and_o be_v or_o at_o least_o make_v a_o show_n he_o be_v of_o their_o judgement_n and_o practice_n he_o that_o read_v the_o controversy_n between_o downame_n and_o the_o replyer_n shall_v there_o see_v this_o very_a point_n betwixt_o mr._n paget_n and_o we_o large_o handle_v the_o doctor_n stout_o maintain_v mr._n paget_n position_n viz._n that_o particular_a church_n be_v dependent_a and_o stand_v under_o another_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o the_o other_o say_v otherwise_o and_o often_o affirm_v 104._o affirm_v li._n 2._o par_fw-fr 2._o p._n 104._o that_o the_o administration_n of_o all_o church-matter_n at_o first_o be_v in_o every_o congregation_n the_o right_a in_o the_o church_n the_o execution_n in_o the_o presbytery_n thereof_o for_o this_o purpose_n he_o instance_v cenchrea_n 22.23_o cenchrea_n li._n 1._o part_n 2._o p._n 22.23_o howsoever_o it_o be_v the_o port_n of_o corinth_n and_o not_o far_o from_o it_o as_o radcliffe_n or_o lime_n house_n to_o london_n yet_o it_o be_v a_o distinct_a church_n from_o that_o of_o corinth_n and_o alike_o endue_v with_o full_a power_n note_n power_n note_n of_o ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n mr._n parker_n speak_v down_o right_a in_o this_o thing_n and_o prove_v by_o text_n of_o scripture_n judgement_n of_o ancient_a father_n confession_n of_o protestant_a divine_n and_o many_o unanswereable_a reason_n that_o 6._o that_o pol._n eccl._n l._n 3._o c._n 6._o all_o ecclesiastical_a power_n be_v always_o in_o the_o whole_a congregation_n from_o hence_o it_o flow_v as_o from_o the_o fountain_n and_o to_o the_o same_o it_o return_v as_o to_o the_o sea_n and_o here_o by_o 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officer_n administration_n order_n and_o form_n of_o divine_a worship_n 3._o they_o hold_v that_o christ_n jesus_n have_v not_o subject_v any_o church_n or_o congregation_n of_o he_o this_o note_v this_o to_o any_o other_o superior_a ecclesiastical_a jurisdiction_n then_o unto_o that_o which_o be_v within_o itself_o so_o that_o if_o a_o whole_a church_n or_o congregation_n shall_v err_v in_o any_o matter_n of_o faith_n or_o religion_n no_o other_o church_n or_o spiritual_a church-officer_n have_v by_o any_o warrant_n from_o the_o word_n of_o god_n power_n to_o censure_v punish_v or_o control_v the_o same_o but_o be_v only_o to_o advise_v they_o and_o so_o to_o leave_v their_o soul_n to_o the_o immediate_a judgement_n of_o christ_n and_o their_o body_n to_o the_o sword_n of_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n etc._n etc._n 4._o they_o hold_v that_o every_o establish_a church_n ought_v as_o a_o special_a prerogive_v wherewith_o she_o be_v endue_v by_o christ_n to_o have_v power_n and_o liberty_n to_o choose_v their_o own_o spiritual_a and_o ecclesiastical_a officer_n etc._n etc._n 5._o they_o hold_v that_o if_o in_o this_o choice_n any_o particular_a church_n shall_v err_v that_o none_o upon_o earth_n but_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v power_n to_o control_n or_o correct_v they_o for_o it_o etc._n etc._n 6._o they_o hold_v that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a officer_n and_o minister_n of_o one_o church_n ought_v not_o to_o bear_v any_o ecclesiastical_a office_n in_o another_o but_o aught_o to_o be_v tie_v unto_o that_o congregation_n of_o which_o they_o be_v member_n and_o by_o which_o they_o be_v elect_v into_o office_n etc._n etc._n there_o be_v nothing_o here_o say_v but_o many_o other_o of_o our_o learned_a countryman_n have_v say_v the_o like_a as_o d._n ames_n 29._o ames_n casconsc_n l._n 4._o c._n 29._o mr._n banes_n 4._o banes_n dioces_fw-la trial_o conclus_fw-la 4._o mr._n bates_n 66._o bates_n pag._n 66._o mr._n fenner_n 15.16_o fenner_n against_o bridg_n pag._n 15.16_o mr._n udall_n 24.25_o udall_n demonst._n discipl_n pag._n 24.25_o etc._n etc._n in_o the_o english_a church_n at_o frankford_n in_o queen_n mary_n day_n it_o be_v agree_v upon_o that_o 115._o that_o discourse_v of_o troub_v frank._n pag._n 115._o the_o minister_n and_o seniors_n several_o and_o joint_o shall_v have_v no_o authority_n to_o make_v any_o manner_n of_o decree_n or_o ordinance_n to_o bind_v the_o congregation_n or_o any_o member_n thereof_o but_o shall_v execute_v such_o ordinance_n as_o shall_v be_v make_v by_o the_o congregation_n and_o to_o they_o deliver_v again_o none_o shall_v be_v excommunicate_v until_o the_o matter_n be_v first_o hear_a by_o the_o whole_a church_n that_o the_o minister_n and_o seniors_n and_o every_o of_o they_o be_v subject_a to_o ecclesiastical_a discipline_n as_o other_o private_a member_n of_o the_o church_n be_v neither_o shall_v mr._n hooker_n 11._o hooker_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o mr._n pagets_n 20._o quest_n answ_n 11._o testimony_n be_v unremembered_a who_o affirm_v that_o a_o particular_a congregation_n may_v lawful_o and_o without_o sin_n call_v a_o minister_n without_o or_o against_o the_o approbation_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la and_o he_o give_v this_o reason_n for_o it_o they_o which_o have_v complete_a and_o perfect_a minister_n before_o any_o classis_fw-la have_v power_n full_o to_o call_v they_o but_o a_o particular_a congregation_n have_v perfect_a and_o complete_a minister_n perfect_o and_o complete_o call_v before_o any_o classis_fw-la ergo_fw-la etc._n etc._n thus_o reader_n thou_o may_v perceive_v that_o mr._n paget_n have_v leave_v the_o way_n of_o non-conformitie_n yea_o and_o show_v himself_o to_o it_o a_o great_a adversary_n indeed_o so_o sore_o a_o one_o that_o in_o his_o own_o word_n i_o may_v true_o say_v as_o herod_n to_o kill_v one_o infant_n 73._o pag._n 73._o spare_v not_o to_o kill_v a_o multitude_n of_o other_o infant_n so_o he_o that_o he_o may_v undermine_v we_o and_o blow_v we_o up_o into_o the_o air_n he_o care_v not_o
at_o all_o many_o other_o persuasion_n by_o word_n as_o a_o so_o by_o writing_n be_v deliver_v in_o dutch_a notwithstanding_o for_o all_o this_o they_o will_v not_o revoake_v their_o sentence_n but_o confirm_v it_o a_o new_a be_v israel_n a_o servant_n be_v he_o home_o bear_v why_o be_v he_o spoil_v but_o to_o the_o point_n this_o record_n to_o use_n mr._n pagets_n 49._o pagets_n pag._n 49._o word_n in_o the_o like_a case_n be_v a_o authentic_a witness_n not_o liable_a to_o exception_n for_o what_o i_o have_v here_o say_v be_v record_v in_o the_o act_n of_o our_o consistory_n 1631._o consistory_n octob._n 12._o 1631._o and_o that_o this_o be_v to_o hard_a a_o deal_n with_o we_o i_o prove_v it_o thus_o 1._o there_o ought_v to_o bâ—_n nothing_o as_o beza_n 83._o beza_n epist_n 83._o say_v impose_v on_o a_o people_n against_o their_o will_n now_o imagen_fw-mi that_o our_o own_o eldership_n shall_v decree_v a_o thing_n either_o to_o be_v do_v or_o not_o yet_o can_v they_o not_o enjoin_v 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this_o practice_n be_v contrary_a to_o the_o old_a rule_n general_o receive_v among_o the_o learned_a that_o 3._o that_o amb._n lib._n de_fw-fr dig_v sacerd_v 3._o which_o concern_v all_o aught_o of_o all_o to_o be_v approve_a but_o some_o may_v say_v how_o be_v this_o to_o be_v do_v i_o answer_v in_o the_o word_n of_o d._n fulke_o 86._o fulke_o learned_a discourse_n of_o eccles_n disci_fw-la p._n 86._o that_o the_o elder_n say_v he_o may_v have_v their_o sentence_n to_o be_v the_o sentence_n of_o the_o church_n they_o must_v when_o they_o have_v travail_v in_o examine_v of_o case_n propound_v they_o to_o the_o whole_a multitude_n that_o it_o may_v be_v confirm_v by_o their_o consent_n observe_v here_o how_o according_a to_o this_o man_n opinion_n the_o classis_fw-la shall_v first_o have_v propound_v the_o thing_n to_o our_o congregation_n and_o if_o we_o joint_o have_v approve_a thereof_o then_o may_v they_o have_v conclude_v that_o it_o be_v a_o church_n act_n otherwise_o not_o 5._o 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2.5_o 2._o thess_n 3.14_o the_o assumption_n be_v acknowledge_v by_o sundry_a of_o our_o best_a divine_n that_o first_o gouvernment_n of_o the_o church_n say_v mr._n brightman_n 3._o brightman_n on_o revel_v chap._n 2_o p._n 65_o edit_n 3._o be_v common_a to_o all_o time_n and_o place_n and_o that_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v permit_v to_o be_v at_o the_o arbitrement_n of_o man_n to_o follow_v what_o way_n they_o listen_v but_o that_o always_o in_o reform_v a_o church_n we_o must_v have_v recourse_n unto_o the_o first_o beginning_n to_o the_o which_o as_o our_o only_a rule_n we_o must_v call_v back_o whatsoever_o stray_v from_o it_o and_o that_o they_o be_v not_o to_o be_v turn_v &_o tune_v according_a to_o the_o crookedness_n and_o jar_a sound_n of_o the_o succeed_a church_n mr._n parker_n 300._o parker_n polit._n eccl._n l._n 1._o c._n 23._o pag._n 59_o &_o l._n 3._o p._n 95._o &_o 300._o have_v in_o
effect_n the_o very_a same_o speech_n so_o mr._n cartwright_n 26._o cartwright_n repl._n to_o whitg_n l._n 1._o p._n 25._o 26._o and_o b._n bilson_n 148._o bilson_n perpet_n gouvernm_fw-la pag._n 3._o eccl._n polit._n l._n 4._o p._n 148._o likewise_o hooker_n give_v a_o reason_n for_o it_o namely_o because_o the_o first_o state_n of_o thing_n be_v best_a etc._n etc._n and_o therefore_o it_o must_v needs_o follow_v that_o custom_n law_n and_o ordinance_n deuâ—sed_v since_o be_v not_o so_o good_a for_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n but_o the_o best_a way_n be_v to_o cut_v off_o late_a invention_n and_o to_o reduce_v thing_n unto_o the_o ancient_a state_n wherein_o at_o the_o first_o they_o be_v and_o this_o agree_v with_o tertullians_n 5._o tertullians_n cont._n mar._n l._n 4._o c._n 5._o say_v of_o old_a that_o be_v true_a which_o be_v first_o that_o be_v first_o which_o be_v from_o the_o beginning_n that_o be_v from_o the_o beginning_n which_o be_v from_o the_o apostle_n argument_n ii_o 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which_o he_o see_v in_o the_o mount_n even_o so_o etc._n etc._n argument_n iii_o whatsoever_o be_v command_v to_o the_o 7_o church_n to_o be_v practise_v by_o each_o of_o they_o apart_z in_o and_o for_o themselves_o that_o no_o church_n of_o god_n must_v now_o omit_v but_o ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n be_v command_v to_o the_o 7_o church_n to_o be_v practise_v by_o each_o of_o they_o apart_z in_o and_o for_o themselves_o therefore_o no_o church_n of_o god_n must_v omit_v the_o practice_n of_o ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n apart_o in_o and_o for_o themselves_o the_o proposition_n can_v be_v doubt_v off_o for_o as_o chytraeus_n 54._o chytraeus_n in_o rev._n c._n 1._o p._n 29._o 54._o artopeus_n 11._o artopeus_n in_o cap._n 1._o p._n 11._o bullinger_n 8._o bullinger_n in_o rev._n 2._o hom._n 8._o brightman_n ch_n brightman_n in_o rev._n 1.2_o &_o 3._o ch_n and_o other_o write_v all_o church_n from_o these_o aught_o to_o learn_v what_o gouvernment_n to_o exercise_v what_o doctrine_n to_o teach_v what_o person_n to_o excommunicate_v who_o to_o receive_v and_o to_o comfort_n and_o the_o like_a the_o assumption_n be_v prove_v clear_o in_o chap._n 2._o ver_fw-la 2.14.20_o etc._n etc._n moreover_o mr._n perkins_n 7._o perkins_n expos_fw-la upon_z ch_z 2._o v._n 20._o &_o ch_n 3._o v._n 7._o speak_v of_o those_o church_n say_v god_n give_v to_o every_o of_o they_o power_n and_o authority_n to_o preach_v the_o word_n administer_v the_o sacrament_n repress_v evil_a man_n decern_v false_a prophet_n &_o to_o exclude_v all_o obstinate_a sinner_n from_o all_o spiritual_a privilege_n among_o they_o argument_n iu._n if_o the_o church_n of_o corinth_n have_v power_n and_o authority_n within_o herself_o to_o exercise_v ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n yea_o and_o do_v it_o i_o mean_v the_o ministry_n and_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o church_n there_o then_o ought_v not_o particular_a congregation_n now_o to_o stand_v under_o any_o other_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o but_o the_o first_o be_v true_a therefore_o the_o second_o the_o first_o part_n be_v unquestionable_o certain_a and_o of_o this_o judgement_n be_v d._n willet_n 1._o willet_n cont._n 9_o cent._n 1._o d._n fulke_o 5.4_o fulke_o answ_n to_o the_o rhem._n 1_o cor._n 5.4_o zanehy_n 688_o zanehy_n in_o praecep_v 4._o c._n 19_o p._n 688_o bucer_n 9_o bucer_n de_fw-fr regn._n chr._n l._n 1._o c._n 9_o piscator_fw-la 1._o piscator_fw-la in_o 1._o cor._n 5._o obser_n 1._o d._n andrew_n 42._o andrew_n tort._n tor_z pag._n 42._o pet._n martyr_n 5._o martyr_n 1._o cor._n 5._o polanus_fw-la 19_o polanus_fw-la synt._n theo._n l._n 7._o c._n 19_o d._n feild_n 5._o feild_n of_o the_o church_n l._n 1._o c._n 5._o paraeus_n eccom_n paraeus_n in_o 1._o co_z 5_o de_fw-fr eccom_n zwinglius_fw-la comp_n zwinglius_fw-la epichir_n de_fw-fr can._n missae_fw-la &_o ad_fw-la valent_n comp_n and_o other_o again_o whereas_o the_o papist_n and_o hierarchy_n do_v say_v much_o after_n mr._n pagets_n 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and_o for_o itself_o immediate_o from_o christ_n to_o exercise_v ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n and_o all_o other_o religious_a
controversy_n lean_v upon_o it_o i_o will_v speak_v further_o of_o it_o in_o the_o next_o section_n there_o be_v yet_o other_o reason_n to_o prove_v our_o assertion_n the_o which_o i_o will_v here_o lay_v down_o more_o brief_o 1._o if_o every_o eldership_n have_v alike_o and_o equal_a power_n as_o hierome_n ena_n hierome_n ep._n ad_fw-la ena_n cyprian_n eccles_n cyprian_n l._n the_o unitâ—_n eccles_n bucer_n 15._o bucer_n de_fw-fr bâ—gâ—_n chr._n l._n 1._o c._n 15._o and_o other_o affirm_v then_o may_v not_o the_o officer_n of_o one_o congregation_n seek_v by_o authority_n to_o suppress_v the_o act_n and_o decree_v conclude_v in_o another_o 2._o it_o be_v against_o sense_n that_o a_o minister_n shall_v undertake_v the_o care_n of_o more_o church_n than_o one_o only_o who_o read_v in_o scriptute_fw-la of_o a_o steward_n over_o many_o family_n a_o shepherd_n over_o divers_a flock_n etc._n etc._n nature_n have_v ordain_v say_v aristotle_n 2_o aristotle_n lib._n 1._o c._n 2_o one_o unto_o 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epist_n 3._o it_o be_v not_o fit_a that_o they_o over_o who_o the_o holy_a ghost_n have_v make_v we_o overseer_n shall_v go_v too_o and_o fro_o he_o speak_v of_o carry_v matter_n away_o from_o their_o own_o church_n unto_o other_o 35.36_o other_o see_v pag._n 35.36_o 7._o note_v the_o effect_n if_o it_o shall_v be_v otherwise_o which_o be_v that_o every_o particular_a congregation_n must_v hence_o necessary_o loose_v she_o own_o proper_a right_n in_o gouvernment_n and_o so_o of_o a_o mistress_n become_v a_o servant_n in_o stead_n of_o be_v superior_a wilful_o vassal_n and_o enslave_v herself_o which_o thing_n be_v contrary_a to_o god_n will_v reveal_v in_o his_o word_n 2.25_o word_n gal._n 5.1_o 1._o co._n 7.23_o 2._o ti._n 1.13_o heb._n 4.14_o revel_v 2.25_o 8._o see_v the_o apostle_n wheresoever_o they_o constitute_v any_o church_n with_o doctrine_n immediate_o establish_v in_o it_o ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n 20_o gouvernment_n park_n pol._n eccl_n l._n 1_o 20_o for_o without_o this_o as_o d._n ames_n 214._o ames_n de_fw-fr consc_fw-la l._n 4._o c._n 24._o pag._n 214._o say_v there_o can_v have_v be_v no_o conble_n of_o the_o part_n and_o member_n together_o it_o must_v needs_o follow_v that_o the_o primitive_a church_n be_v independent_a body_n and_o stand_v not_o under_o any_o other_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o now_o how_o mr._n paget_n will_v be_v able_a to_o prove_v a_o change_n of_o this_o gouvernment_n i_o do_v not_o yet_o see_v especial_o consider_v that_o the_o learned_a as_o i_o show_v before_o 72._o before_o pag._n 72._o do_v hold_v that_o there_o be_v but_o one_o certain_a necessary_a and_o perpetual_a form_n and_o manner_n of_o order_v church_n and_o this_o also_o be_v the_o judgement_n of_o calvin_n sad._n calvin_n calv._n ad_fw-la sad._n p._n martyr_n 3.21_o martyr_n in_o rom._n 3.21_o d._n bilson_n etc._n bilson_n perp._n gou._n 338._o etc._n etc._n yea_o the_o confession_n of_o the_o church_n of_o france_n 29_o france_n harm_n conf_n art_n 29_o of_o the_o low_a country_n 30._o country_n harm_n art_n 30._o and_o scotland_n church_n scotland_n treat_v of_o the_o discipl_n of_o that_o church_n in_o a_o word_n to_o this_o the_o papist_n 6._o papist_n saunder_n visib_fw-la mon._n l._n 1._o c._n 6._o ascent_n 9_o by_o the_o title_n give_v to_o all_o particular_a congregation_n it_o appear_v evident_o that_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n be_v or_o at_o least_o ought_v to_o be_v in_o every_o one_o of_o they_o distinct_o whole_o entire_o viz._n a_o kingdom_n 3.2_o kingdom_n mat._n 3.2_o family_n 2.19_o family_n eph._n 2.19_o a_o body_n 12.20_o body_n 1._o cor._n 12.20_o a_o queen_n 45._o queen_n psal_n 45._o etc._n etc._n for_o what_o more_o senseless_a then_o to_o say_v a_o kingdom_n or_o family_n stand_v under_o another_o political_a or_o economical_a gouvernment_n out_o of_o themselves_o a_o body_n have_v all_o part_n and_o member_n and_o yet_o may_v neither_o receive_v in_o nor_o put_v out_o without_o another_o leave_n and_o consent_n many_o such_o absurdity_n 38._o absurdity_n see_v park_n pol._n eccl._n 3._o p._n 23._o &_o 321.322_o jun._n eccl._n l._n 1._o c._n 4._o d._n whitak_n count_v 4._o qu._n 1._o p._n 38._o follow_v mr._n pagets_n lately-devised_n tenet_n 10._o the_o act_n of_o the_o apostolic_a church_n prove_v direct_o our_o assertion_n for_o it_o be_v without_o all_o contradiction_n that_o they_o elect_v their_o own_o minister_n excommunicate_v offender_n send_v messenger_n and_o perform_v all_o other_o church_n matter_n among_o themselves_o last_o let_v it_o be_v observe_v that_o mr._n paget_n in_o this_o accord_v with_o the_o papist_n 5_o papist_n bellar._n de_fw-fr eccl._n l._n 5._o c._n 5_o and_o hierarchy_n other_o hierarchy_n d._n downa_n d._n bridges_n &_o other_o for_o they_o say_v as_o he_o do_v that_o particular_a church_n be_v not_o independent_a body_n but_o stand_v under_o another_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o the_o which_o thing_n our_o writer_n deny_v and_o prove_v the_o contrary_n by_o this_o time_n i_o suppose_v the_o indifferent_a reader_n perceive_v that_o the_o scripture_n be_v every_o way_n for_o we_o and_o against_o mr._n paget_n in_o this_o controversy_n betwixt_o we_o now_o he_o shall_v do_v well_o see_v we_o dispute_v about_o a_o matter_n of_o faith_n appertain_v to_o life_n and_o salvation_n to_o rest_v in_o they_o as_o the_o only_o touch_v for_o trial_n of_o all_o truth_n notwithstanding_o consider_v he_o make_v so_o much_o a_o do_v about_o the_o multitude_n of_o learned_a and_o godly_a minister_n be_v of_o the_o same_o judgement_n and_o practice_n with_o he_o 73._o pag._n 73._o according_a as_o festus_n know_v paul_n to_o have_v appeal_v unto_o caesar_n do_v reasonable_o resolve_v say_v unto_o caesar_n shall_v thou_o go_v so_o i_o be_o well_o content_v to_o hear_v what_o reverend_a and_o judicious_a author_n do_v say_v herein_o and_o if_o mr._n paget_n will_v stand_v unto_o their_o
testimony_n i_o doubt_v not_o but_o to_o make_v it_o manifest_a that_o as_o the_o scripture_n so_o they_o be_v also_o with_o we_o and_o so_o much_o shall_v be_v declare_v in_o the_o next_o section_n section_n viii_o the_o allegation_n of_o the_o learned_a which_o i_o purpose_v here_o to_o set_v down_o shall_v be_v take_v 1._o from_o papist_n 2._o lutheran_n 3._o calvinist_n 4._o english_a conformist_n 5._o the_o nonconformist_n 6._o ancient_a writer_n and_o last_o the_o confession_n of_o reform_a church_n howsoever_o romes-champion_n 5._o romes-champion_n bellarm._n de_fw-fr verb._n dei_fw-la l._n 3._o c._n 5._o rhem._n in_o mat._n 18.17_o &_o 1_o cor._n 5.2_o aegid_a topi._n conc._n in_o ep._n &_o euangel_n p._n 280._o stapl._n de_fw-fr auth_v eccl._n count_v whita_n c._n 1._o c._n 1._o sect._n 5._o will_v have_v none_o now_o to_o meddle_v with_o church-gouvernment_a but_o priest_n bishop_n prelate_n etc._n etc._n yet_o they_o do_v acknowledge_v that_o in_o the_o primitive_a church_n 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be_v fear_v i_o say_v again_o those_o that_o offend_v this_o way_n may_v just_o fear_v god_n punishment_n because_o he_o do_v not_o manifest_v more_o displeasure_n against_o any_o sin_n than_o the_o profanation_n of_o his_o ordinance_n nor_o threaten_v to_o inflict_v soor_a punishment_n upon_o any_o than_o offender_n herein_o 13.10_o herein_o levit._fw-la 10.2.4_o chron._n 13.10_o and_o this_o be_v the_o judgement_n of_o sundry_a of_o our_o best_a divine_n viz._n junius_n 27._o junius_n anal._n expl_n levit._fw-la c._n 10_o p._n 27._o brentius_n 4.6_o brentius_n comment_fw-fr in_o am._n c._n 4._o v._n 4.6_o piscator_fw-la 10._o piscator_fw-la observe_v 3._o in_o levit._n 10._o paraeus_n 2.12_o paraeus_n in_o am._n 2.12_o cartwright_n 102._o cartwright_n catech._n pag._n 102._o and_o other_o section_n vi._n howsoever_o i_o can_v be_v well_o contend_v in_o these_o our_o difference_n to_o deal_v with_o mr._n paget_n by_o the_o scripture_n alone_o as_o the_o book_n of_o all_o truth_n know_v as_o augustine_n 9_o augustine_n de_fw-fr doct._n christ_n l._n 2._o c._n 9_o say_v that_o all_o thing_n concern_v faith_n and_o manner_n be_v contain_v in_o they_o notwithstanding_o in_o regard_n he_o 15._o he_o pag._n 15._o vain_o boast_v to_o be_v carry_v away_o with_o the_o stream_n of_o the_o learned_a who_o concur_v in_o judgement_n with_o he_o etc._n etc._n i_o have_v think_v good_a to_o make_v inquiry_n about_o the_o opinion_n of_o man_n in_o this_o matter_n betwixt_o we_o as_o be_v loath_a he_o shall_v oppress_v the_o truth_n and_o make_v all_o man_n afraid_a of_o it_o by_o make_v they_o believe_v that_o be_v desolate_a and_o forsake_v of_o all_o friend_n begin_v therefore_o with_o our_o writer_n i_o judge_v it_o meet_v and_o convenient_a to_o allege_v in_o the_o foremost_a place_n the_o mature_a sentence_n of_o master_n cartwright_n in_o his_o reply_n to_o d._n whitgift_n 1._o whitgift_n pag._n 172._o l._n 1._o he_o write_v thus_o i_o do_v see_v that_o master_n doctor_n do_v make_v of_o the_o holy_a sacrament_n of_o baptism_n which_o be_v a_o entry_n into_o the_o house_n of_o god_n and_o whereby_o the_o family_n of_o god_n must_v only_o that_o only_o note_v that_o enter_v a_o common_a passage_n whereby_o he_o will_v have_v clean_o and_o unclean_a holy_a and_o profane_a as_o well_o those_o that_o be_v without_o the_o covenant_n as_o those_o that_o be_v within_o to_o pass_v by_o and_o so_o make_v the_o church_n no_o household_n but_o a_o inn_n to_o receive_v whosoever_o come_v paget_n come_v just_o so_o do_v mr._n paget_n i_o will_v answer_v therefore_o all_o most_o in_o as_o many_o word_n as_o the_o question_n be_v ask_v if_o one_o of_o the_o parent_n be_v neither_o drunkard_n nor_o adulterer_n the_o child_n be_v holy_a by_o virtue_n of_o the_o covenant_n for_o one_o of_o the_o parent_n sake_n if_o they_o be_v both_o and_o yet_o not_o obstinate_a in_o their_o sin_n whereby_o the_o church_n have_v not_o proceed_v to_o excommunication_n themselves_o yet_o be_v of_o the_o church_n note_n church_n note_n their_o child_n can_v nor_o ought_v not_o to_o be_v refuse_v again_o a_o few_o line_n after_o speak_v of_o papist_n and_o other_o ungodly_a man_n he_o affirm_v absolute_o that_o their_o child_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v baptize_v in_o the_o next_o place_n we_o will_v consider_v the_o author_n of_o a_o certain_a book_n 111.112_o pag._n 111.112_o entitle_v the_o covenant_n between_o god_n and_o man_n he_o there_o maintain_v this_o point_n which_o we_o here_o profess_v baptism_n say_v he_o be_v to_o be_v administer_v to_o they_o only_o that_o be_v in_o the_o covenant_n and_o that_o the_o reader_n may_v understand_v who_o he_o mean_v to_o be_v in_o the_o covenant_n he_o add_v immediate_o they_o be_v such_o as_o profess_v the_o faith_n join_v themselves_o together_o in_o a_o fellowship_n crave_v to_o have_v their_o name_n enrouled_a and_o register_v in_o the_o church_n and_o so_o partake_v of_o the_o manifold_a grace_n of_o god_n which_o be_v distribute_v therein_o to_o these_o we_o will_v add_v master_n viret_n 230._o viret_n ground_n reli._n p._n 230._o a_o rare_a light_n of_o the_o gospel_n and_o partner_n with_o mr._n farell_n in_o plant_v the_o church_n at_o geneva_n before_o calvin_n come_v there_o none_o say_v he_o be_v to_o be_v baptize_v but_o the_o child_n of_o the_o faithful_a and_o believer_n all_o except_o these_o be_v to_o be_v instruct_v in_o the_o doctrine_n before_o they_o be_v admit_v thereunto_o piscator_fw-la likewise_o be_v as_o plain_a as_o can_v be_v they_o only_o say_v he_o be_v to_o be_v baptize_v which_o belong_v to_o the_o church_n 19_o on_o mat._n ch_z 28._o obse_n in_o v._o 19_o for_o as_o in_o old_a time_n they_o circumcise_v the_o child_n of_o the_o jew_n because_o they_o belong_v to_o the_o church_n and_o covenant_n so_o now_o etc._n etc._n mr._n fenner_n sacra_fw-la fenner_n doct._n of_o the_o sacra_fw-la say_v the_o very_a same_o so_o paraeus_n 3.5_o paraeus_n in_o mat._n 3.5_o erastus_n 18.24_o erastus_n de_fw-fr excom_n p._n 18.24_o melancton_n 383._o melancton_n loc._n com._n pag._n 383._o keckerman_n 453._o keckerman_n system_fw-la theol._n l._n 3._o p._n 453._o speak_v of_o the_o lawfullnes_n of_o the_o baptise_v of_o infant_n give_v this_o as_o the_o reason_n of_o it_o viz._n because_o they_o be_v member_n of_o the_o church_n the_o like_a say_n we_o find_v in_o a_o book_n name_v a_o general_a confession_n of_o christian_a church_n because_o god_n receive_v into_o his_o church_n the_o child_n with_o the_o father_n we_o say_v by_o the_o authority_n of_o christ_n infant_n beget_v of_o faithful_a parent_n aught_o to_o be_v baptize_v also_o beza_n 7.14_o beza_n in_o 1._o cor._n 7.14_o say_v such_o as_o do_v permit_v all_o child_n to_o be_v baptize_v do_v a_o thing_n unheard_a off_o in_o the_o primitive_a church_n neither_o may_v tertullians_n testimony_n be_v omit_v speak_v as_o junius_n interpret_v he_o of_o such_o child_n as_o be_v stranger_n from_o the_o covenant_n of_o god_n let_v they_o come_v when_o they_o be_v grow_v to_o year_n let_v they_o come_v when_o they_o have_v learn_v and_o be_v teach_v wherefore_o they_o come_v let_v they_o then_o be_v make_v christian_n when_o they_o can_v know_v christ_n moreover_o this_o be_v the_o unanimous_a confession_n of_o all_o the_o reform_a church_n to_o wit_n that_o baptism_n appertain_v to_o such_o infant_n as_o be_v in_o the_o church_n and_o bear_v of_o believer_n and_o for_o this_o reason_n they_o say_v they_o administer_v unto_o they_o the_o seal_n of_o the_o covenant_n viz._n because_o with_o their_o parent_n they_o be_v receive_v into_o the_o church_n thus_o write_v the_o church_n of_o saxony_n 18._o saxony_n harm_n conf._n art_n 18._o bohemia_n 12._o bohemia_n chapt._n 12._o france_n 35._o france_n art_n 35._o scotland_n 24._o scotland_n harm_n conf._n p._n 24._o helvetia_n 20.21_o helvetia_n art_n 20.21_o and_o belgcik_n 34._o belgcik_n art_n 34._o object_n 1._o but_o this_o thing_n have_v be_v in_o these_o country_n a_o long_a time_n practise_v and_o therefore_o it_o be_v not_o meet_v that_o so_o ancient_a a_o custom_n shall_v be_v lay_v down_o answ_n 1._o when_o the_o truth_n be_v know_v say_v augustine_n gaudent_fw-la augustine_n l._n 2._o ep._n ad_fw-la gaudent_fw-la let_v custom_n give_v place_n unto_o it_o for_o virg._n for_o ambr._n l._n 4._o virg._n we_o must_v not_o always_o imitate_v whatsoever_o our_o elder_n have_v allow_v but_o try_v by_o the_o scripture_n whither_o the_o thing_n be_v good_a which_o they_o allow_v and_o thus_o do_v these_o church_n church_n church_n a_o general_n confess_v of_o christ._n church_n in_o their_o writing_n profess_v to_o the_o world_n that_o they_o judge_v it_o of_o small_a force_n in_o controversy_n of_o religion_n to_o be_v urge_v with_o the_o bare_a sentenoe_n of_o father_n or_o with_o the_o decree_n of_o council_n much_o less_o with_o receive_a custom_n or_o with_o continuance_n of_o time_n for_o we_o admit_v they_o say_v no_o other_o judge_n in_o matter_n of_o faith_n than_o god_n himself_o pronounce_v in_o his_o word_n 2._o by_o this_o custom_n they_o give_v the_o anabaptist_n great_a advantage_n and_o nihilate_v the_o best_a argument_n which_o our_o divine_n use_v against_o they_o for_o the_o lawfullnes_n of_o baptise_v of_o infant_n and_o that_o this_o be_v so_o let_v it_o be_v observe_v that_o the_o reason_n which_o they_o in_o this_o point_n do_v stick_v most_o too_o be_v this_o namely_o that_o child_n of_o christian_n by_o the_o same_o warrant_n 223._o warrant_n calv._n in_o mat._n 18._o v._n 10._o gerhard_n harm_n euang_n c._n 12._o pag._n 352._o cent._n 1._o l._n 2._o c._n 4._o p._n 355._o d._n willet_n on_o rom._n 6._o p._n 303._o cartwr_n christ_n rel._n c._n 37._o p._n 223._o be_v now_o to_o be_v baptize_v that_o the_o infant_n under_o the_o law_n be_v circumcise_v now_o i_o have_v prove_v before_o
viz._n ministers-must_a be_v choose_v with_o the_o free_a consent_n of_o the_o elder_n and_o the_o whole_a congregation_n by_o the_o like_a authority_n as_o they_o be_v elect_v they_o may_v be_v depose_v but_o nothing_o herein_o must_v be_v attempt_v without_o the_o determination_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n what_o those_o synod_n be_v of_o who_o mr._n paget_n speak_v in_o pag._n 66._o who_o decree_v that_o particular_a congregation_n shall_v not_o practice_v among_o themselves_o all_o god_n ordinance_n i_o do_v not_o yet_o know_v but_o this_o i_o know_v that_o no_o reform_a church_n have_v make_v this_o a_o article_n of_o their_o faith_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v certain_a if_o such_o a_o thing_n be_v it_o be_v only_o the_o invention_n of_o some_o particular_a man_n for_o conclusion_n now_o of_o this_o section_n howsoever_o i_o have_v alleidge_v the_o opinion_n of_o many_o learned_a man_n notwithstanding_o it_o be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n which_o i_o appeal_v unto_o for_o to_o have_v the_o matter_n in_o controversy_n betwixt_o we_o only_o try_v by_o and_o herein_o i_o do_v no_o more_o than_o other_o do_v which_o know_v they_o have_v the_o truth_n on_o their_o side_n namely_o to_o call_v their_o opposite_n unto_o the_o scripture_n and_o to_o require_v of_o they_o to_o stand_v unto_o the_o undeceiveable_a sentence_n and_o judgement_n thereof_o thus_o the_o protestant_n 1._o protestant_n d._n whita_n de_fw-fr cont_n qu._n 3_o c._n 3._o d._n morton_n apolo_n cath._n p._n 2._o l._n 1._o c._n 32._o sutclif_n def_n pont._n rom._n l._n 2._o c._n 9_o p._n 132._o b._n jew._n apo._n par_fw-fr 2._o c._n 5._o d._n 1._o do_v with_o the_o papist_n and_o the_o reformist_n rat_n reformist_n par._n pol._n eccl._n l._n 1._o c._n 24._o c_o dever_n eccl._n refor_o rat_n again_o with_o they_o and_o for_o this_o purpose_n have_v zanchy_a ‡_o a_o worthy_a speech_n in_o his_o writing_n unto_o d._n knoll_v all_o thing_n touch_v worship_n and_o discipline_n aught_o to_o be_v examine_v not_o by_o the_o uncertain_a rule_n of_o human_n judgement_n but_o by_o the_o touchstone_n of_o divine_a scripture_n section_n ix_o that_o those_o who_o have_v read_v mr._n pagets_n book_n may_v not_o think_v that_o i_o have_v purposely_o omit_v any_o thing_n his_o jest_n slander_n and_o unchristian_a term_n except_v which_o carry_v with_o it_o the_o show_n of_o any_o matter_n touch_v the_o main_a point_n in_o question_n i_o have_v think_v good_a in_o this_o section_n to_o set_v down_o some_o brief_a answer_n unto_o certain_a colourable_a or_o rather_o carnal_a pretence_n which_o he_o use_v in_o the_o defence_n of_o himself_o and_o cause_n his_o first_o reason_n be_v this_o if_o particular_a preface_n particular_a preface_n congregation_n shall_v not_o stand_v under_o any_o other_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o manifold_a disorder_n confusion_n and_o dissipation_n of_o church_n will_v follow_v answ_n 1._o when_o god_n have_v establish_v a_o order_n for_o the_o administration_n of_o his_o own_o house_n what_o presumption_n of_o man_n dare_v change_v it_o think_v he_o that_o he_o be_v wise_a than_o the_o almighty_a and_o can_v by_o his_o foolish_a way_n and_o devise_v bring_v more_o peace_n and_o profit_n to_o god_n house_n than_o the_o way_n of_o the_o all_o wise_a god_n but_o what_o will_v not_o dust_n and_o ash_n presume_v to_o do_v against_o his_o maker_n and_o that_o with_o show_n of_o conveniency_n and_o to_o correct_v and_o reform_v that_o which_o they_o conceive_v to_o be_v imperfect_a in_o his_o do_n but_o it_o seem_v in_o the_o mean_a time_n that_o these_o little_a consider_v how_o straight_o the_o lord_n have_v forbid_v such_o practice_n and_o what_o dreadful_a plague_n he_o threaten_v against_o man_n for_o it_o as_o mr._n paget_n therefore_o wish_v other_o to_o take_v heed_n what_o new_a form_n of_o church_n and_o church-gouvernment_a preface_n preface_n they_o frame_v unto_o themselves_o or_o command_v unto_o other_o so_o i_o desire_v that_o he_o himself_o will_v make_v a_o profitable_a use_n of_o his_o own_o counsel_n 2._o be_v it_o well_o consider_v that_o god_n always_o abhor_v all_o good_a intentes_fw-la of_o man_n that_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o good_a pleasure_n of_o his_o will_n reveal_v in_o his_o word_n the_o church_n say_v whitaker_n 16._o whitaker_n de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n count_v 4._o qu._n 1._o p._n 16._o must_v not_o be_v gouvern_v as_o the_o wit_n of_o man_n think_v fit_a but_o as_o christ_n the_o lord_n and_o king_n thereof_o will_v have_v it_o 3._o this_o objection_n take_v here_o up_o by_o mr._n paget_n be_v the_o very_a same_o which_o the_o papist_n and_o those_o that_o way_n affect_v use_v for_o to_o have_v ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n by_o presbyter_n reject_v and_o their_o own_o popish_a hierarchy_n everywhere_o receive_v and_o practise_v viz._n because_o the_o put_n by_o of_o the_o late_a tend_v etc._n tend_v sarav_fw-mi de_fw-mi tripli_v epis_fw-la in_o prologue_n sand._n the_o visibl_n monar_n l._n 5._o c._n 4._o scult_v hier._n anarc_n l._n 10._o c._n 20._o l._n 11.119.137_o etc._n etc._n unto_o all_o mischief_n and_o the_o establish_n of_o the_o former_a 164_o former_a whitg_n tract_n 3._o c._n 4_o div_o 4._o &_o divis_fw-la 8._o pag._n 169._o loe_o compl_a chu_n p._n 164_o cause_v uproar_n in_o the_o church_n dissipate_v it_o and_o overthrow_v all_o good_a order_n therein_o 4._o if_o particular_a congregation_n must_v loose_v their_o right_n and_o power_n because_o of_o the_o offence_n which_o some_o man_n have_v commit_v in_o the_o exercise_n thereof_o then_o sure_o by_o the_o same_o reason_n if_o mr._n pagets_n reason_n be_v worth_a any_o thing_n ought_v class_n and_o synod_n to_o lay_v down_o that_o superior_a authority_n which_o they_o have_v take_v over_o many_o church_n because_o they_o in_o many_o thing_n many_o time_n have_v offend_v in_o and_o about_o the_o execution_n and_o this_o i_o be_o sure_a no_o good_a christian_n will_v deny_v i_o can_v give_v divers_a instance_n for_o it_o but_o it_o need_v not_o only_o it_o be_v not_o amiss_o to_o set_v down_o nazianzen_n proc._n nazianzen_n epist_n 42._o ad_fw-la proc._n word_n who_o be_v a_o elder_a or_o bishop_n i_o be_o mind_v say_v he_o to_o shun_v all_o assembly_n of_o bishop_n because_o i_o never_o see_v any_o good_a event_n in_o any_o council_n that_o do_v not_o rather_o increase_v then_o diminish_v our_o evil_n their_o contention_n and_o ambition_n pass_v my_o speech_n whither_o thing_n be_v better_o carry_v now_o than_o they_o be_v in_o his_o time_n i_o will_v not_o nor_o be_o able_a to_o judge_v 5._o if_o the_o infirmity_n of_o the_o people_n be_v a_o good_a reason_n to_o take_v away_o their_o liberty_n in_o practise_v among_o themselves_o all_o god_n ordinance_n then_o the_o contrary_a virtue_n which_o oftentimes_o have_v be_v find_v in_o they_o as_o instay_v the_o rage_n of_o the_o scribe_n and_o pharisy_n 3.26_o pharisy_n mat._n 21.26_o act._n 3.26_o in_o prefer_v sincere_a christian_n before_o arrian_n 7._o arrian_n zezo_n l._n 7._o c._n 7._o and_o be_v themselves_o sound_a in_o the_o faith_n 7._o faith_n theod_n l._n 2._o cap._n 7._o when_o their_o minister_n have_v be_v heretic_n be_v a_o good_a reason_n to_o maintain_v their_o liberty_n still_o another_o thing_n which_o he_o talk_v much_o off_o 72._o pag._n 72._o be_v that_o the_o power_n which_o the_o classis_fw-la exercise_v be_v ancient_a and_o hence_o name_v it_o the_o old_a beat_a path_n 105._o pag._n 105._o etc._n etc._n answ_n 1._o sundry_a error_n be_v as_o ancient_a as_o the_o apostle_n time_n yea_o begin_v before_o the_o most_o famous_a church_n in_o the_o world_n be_v plant_v therefore_o as_o cyprian_n 63._o cyprian_n epist._n 63._o say_v we_o must_v not_o regard_v what_o any_o other_o do_v before_o we_o or_o think_v fit_a to_o be_v do_v but_o what_o christ_n do_v who_o be_v before_o all_o 2._o howsoever_o mr._n paget_n for_o the_o credit_n of_o his_o cause_n name_v it_o the_o old_a and_o ancient_a discipline_n yet_o sure_o i_o be_o to_o prove_v it_o so_o he_o never_o will_v nor_o can_v there_o be_v many_o and_o i_o think_v he_o know_v it_o which_o do_v affirm_v that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n by_o class_n and_o synod_n be_v a_o weed_n that_o grow_v many_o year_n after_o the_o apostle_n a_o late_a devise_n 387_o devise_n bilson_n perp_v gouver_fw-fr c._n 16._o p._n 387_o and_o that_o in_o all_o antiquity_n there_o do_v not_o appear_v any_o one_o step_v thereof_o 138._o thereof_o sutclif_n discipl_n c._n 8._o p._n 138._o also_o that_o at_o geneva_n subject_v of_o church_n to_o this_o order_n first_o begin_v 94._o begin_v brancroft_n surv_v c._n 22._o p._n 353._o comp._n ch._n p._n 91._o 93._o 94._o and_o before_o calvin_n come_v there_o every_o congregation_n be_v free_a in_o itself_o pref._n itself_o hooke_n ecc._n polit._n pref._n touch_v these_o