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no_o spiritual_a external_a government_n at_o all_o &_o so_o be_v lawless_n person_n &_o inordinate_a walker_n etc._n etc._n this_o because_o it_o sound_v as_o a_o dangerous_a &_o deep_a charge_n ensue_v upon_o that_o former_a defence_n which_o be_v make_v that_o good_a minister_n be_v no_o branch_n of_o the_o prelacy_n nor_o necessary_o dependent_a on_o they_o as_o spiritual_a officer_n i_o think_v it_o needful_a to_o give_v answer_n unto_o it_o my_o answer_n therefore_o do_v consist_v in_o these_o 3_o branch_n 1._o that_o there_o be_v no_o such_o want_n of_o spiritual_a government_n in_o the_o minister_n which_o govern_v themselves_o well_o as_o can_v be_v a_o just_a barrt_n against_o all_o communion_n with_o they_o see_v private_a man_n live_v in_o the_o same_o want_n may_v well_o be_v communicate_v with_o 2_o that_o they_o be_v subject_a unto_o some_o spiritual_a government_n and_o 3._o that_o for_o that_o want_n of_o government_n which_o they_o be_v in_o they_o be_v no_o more_o lawless_a walker_n or_o inordinate_a walker_n then_o mr._n r._n himself_o be_v who_o be_v not_o subject_a to_o any_o other_o spiritual_a government_n than_o they_o be_v except_o he_o will_v say_v that_o the_o people_n govern_v he_o which_o he_o count_v to_o be_v a_o reproach_n now_o let_v we_o hear_v what_o reply_n he_o make_v 1._o he_o plead_v that_o he_o do_v not_o infer_v this_o exception_n upon_o the_o former_a ground_n but_o let_v that_o passage_n of_o his_o book_n be_v weigh_v p._n 29.30_o and_o it_o will_v be_v find_v that_o against_o his_o allegation_n of_o the_o parochial_a minister_n be_v a_o branch_n of_o the_o prelacy_n this_o be_v one_o defence_n that_o they_o be_v not_o subject_a to_o their_o government_n whereupon_o this_o inference_n follow_v that_o then_o they_o be_v inordinate_a walker_n &_o lawless_n person_n which_o be_v the_o very_a same_o order_n of_o inference_n that_o i_o observe_v 2._o he_o say_v it_o be_v not_o allege_v to_o prove_v communion_n unlawful_a with_o they_o but_o as_o a_o reproof_n etc._n etc._n but_o see_v the_o main_a reason_n be_v for_o unlawfulnesse_n of_o communion_n because_o of_o their_o branch_a out_o of_o prelacy_n and_o the_o allegation_n nothing_o but_o a_o establish_n of_o that_o reason_n by_o removal_n of_o one_o principal_a defence_n suppose_v to_o be_v bring_v for_o it_o it_o must_v of_o necessity_n tend_v unto_o the_o same_o end_n of_o bar_v from_o all_o communion_n and_o in_o deed_n if_o it_o be_v not_o a_o slander_n it_o be_v none_o of_o the_o weak_a argument_n which_o he_o have_v allege_v 3._o he_o affirm_v the_o 1._o and_o 2._o answer_v to_o be_v beside_o the_o purpose_n because_o they_o speak_v only_o of_o personal_a or_o civil_a or_o else_o a_o more_o general_a kind_n of_o government_n than_o he_o intend_v who_n speak_v only_o of_o outward_a guidance_n and_o