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A31198
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The case of usury further debated, in a letter to the author of usury stated.
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T. P.
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1684
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Wing C1192; ESTC R213538
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as_o warrantable_a in_o point_n of_o conscience_n but_o forbid_v take_v more_o than_o six_o per_fw-la gent._n yea_o the_o very_a act_n of_o the_o 13_o of_o q._n eliz._n concern_v usury_n begin_v thus_o forasmuch_o as_o all_o usury_n forbid_v by_o god_n be_v sin_n and_o detestable_a etc._n etc._n and_o in_o the_o statute_n of_o jac._n 21._o there_o be_v this_o proviso_n which_o you_o make_v reply_n to_o pag._n 109._o provide_v that_o no_o word_n in_o this_o law_n contain_v shall_v be_v construe_v or_o expound_v to_o allow_v the_o practice_n of_o usury_n in_o point_n of_o religion_n or_o conscience_n and_o the_o import_n of_o your_o reply_n to_o it_o i_o conceive_v to_o be_v this_o that_o though_o the_o law_n do_v not_o allow_v the_o practice_n of_o usury_n in_o point_n of_o religion_n or_o conscience_n it_o be_v sufficient_a that_o it_o do_v allow_v it_o in_o civil_a commerce_n and_o that_o it_o appertain_v not_o to_o a_o civil_a court_n as_o the_o parliament_n be_v to_o determine_v whether_o a_o man_n may_v practice_v it_o in_o point_n of_o conscience_n or_o no_o to_o which_o you_o add_v if_o the_o civil_a law_n forbid_v flesh_n in_o lent_n the_o use_n thereof_o at_o that_o time_n in_o point_n of_o conscience_n remain_v lawful_a as_o before_o pray_v consider_v how_o well_o you_o have_v follow_v your_o own_o argument_n and_o whether_o to_o apply_v your_o way_n of_o manage_v it_o to_o the_o case_n in_o hand_n the_o consequence_n of_o it_o must_v not_o be_v this_o that_o although_o the_o law_n allow_v the_o practice_n of_o usury_n in_o civil_a commerce_n the_o thing_n however_o in_o point_n of_o conscience_n be_v the_o same_o as_o it_o be_v before_o notwithstanding_o what_o the_o law_n say_v of_o it_o either_o one_o way_n or_o other_o and_o yet_o you_o seem_v to_o put_v a_o great_a stress_n upon_o the_o law_n in_o this_o matter_n of_o usury_n as_o if_o conscience_n may_v be_v influence_v and_o satisfy_v thereby_o and_o there_o be_v no_o difference_n between_o legitimum_fw-la and_o licitum_fw-la particular_o p._n 105._o let_v it_o be_v consider_v forasmuch_o as_o propriety_n receive_v its_o limitation_n and_o application_n from_o humane_a law_n whether_o any_o man_n have_v not_o the_o same_o right_n to_o six_o per_fw-la cent._n in_o this_o land_n that_o lend_v his_o money_n as_o any_o one_o have_v to_o his_o land_n and_o tenement_n or_o any_o good_n he_o enjoy_v by_o virtue_n of_o the_o law_n you_o may_v be_v please_v to_o remember_v that_o the_o question_n whether_o gain_v covenant_v for_o loan_n be_v lawful_a or_o no_o be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v whether_o it_o be_v lawful_a by_o human_a but_o by_o divine_a law_n and_o you_o say_v with_o reference_n to_o the_o law_n which_o forbid_v flesh_n in_o lent_n that_o the_o use_n thereof_o at_o that_o time_n in_o point_n of_o conscience_n remain_v lawful_a as_o before_o what_o obligation_n human_a law_n have_v on_o the_o conscience_n need_v not_o here_o to_o be_v dispute_v for_o the_o law_n do_v not_o command_v any_o man_n to_o take_v use_n but_o to_o return_v to_o your_o instance_n if_o the_o law_n forbid_v flesh_n in_o lent_n dont_fw-fr alter_v that_o case_n in_o point_n of_o conscience_n how_o come_v it_o to_o pass_v that_o it_o shall_v have_v such_o a_o influence_n here_o in_o point_n of_o conscience_n you_o say_v pag._n 106._o it_o appertain_v to_o these_o law_n to_o state_n and_o appoint_v as_o at_o what_o rate_n gold_n and_o silver_n shall_v be_v valuable_a so_o also_o what_o rate_n money_n lend_v shall_v bear_v i_o will_v grant_v what_o you_o say_v if_o there_o have_v be_v no_o more_o declare_v in_o scripture_n concern_v lend_v of_o money_n than_o there_o be_v at_o what_o rate_n gold_n and_o silver_n shall_v be_v value_v what_o you_o quote_v dr._n hammond_n for_o pag._n 1â—5_n respect_v another_o case_n far_o different_a from_o this_o sc_n that_o christ_n kingdom_n be_v not_o of_o this_o world_n that_o he_o come_v not_o to_o interpose_v in_o secular_a affair_n such_o as_o be_v the_o propriety_n of_o man_n but_o disclaim_v have_v any_o thing_n to_o do_v to_o be_v a_o judge_n or_o divider_n among_o men._n be_v there_o no_o rule_n then_o and_o law_n in_o scripture_n that_o concern_v human_a contract_n do_v god_n word_n no_o where_n interpose_v in_o secular_a affair_n but_o leave_v all_o to_o man_n determination_n our_o saviour_n while_o he_o be_v here_o will_v not_o be_v a_o judge_n but_o keep_v to_o his_o own_o call_v do_v it_o thence_o follow_v that_o the_o law_n of_o god_n do_v not_o interpose_v in_o secular_a affair_n these_o word_n of_o dr._n hammond_n be_v apply_v by_o he_o to_o confute_v those_o who_o do_v find_v all_o propriety_n in_o grace_n so_o as_o to_o justify_v all_o their_o rapin_n and_o invasion_n on_o the_o estate_n of_o those_o who_o they_o do_v look_v upon_o to_o be_v wicked_a deprive_v they_o of_o their_o most_o lawful_a right_n and_o possession_n mere_o upon_o this_o pretence_n because_o they_o be_v unholy_a and_o lay_v claim_n thereto_o themselves_o as_o be_v gracious_a person_n and_o thereby_o privilege_v to_o enter_v upon_o and_o take_v possession_n of_o any_o carnal_a man_n inheritance_n how_o little_a do_v this_o agree_v to_o the_o purpose_n you_o produce_v it_o for_o and_o yet_o this_o same_o argument_n you_o urge_v again_o pag._n 247._o and_o will_v prove_v it_o by_o this_o of_o dr._n hammond_n do_v you_o think_v that_o there_o be_v not_o such_o law_n in_o some_o country_n or_o that_o there_o may_v not_o be_v such_o a_o law_n as_o will_v allow_v of_o unjust_a gain_n i_o mean_v such_o gain_n as_o be_v forbid_v by_o god_n word_n and_o will_v not_o such_o gain_n remain_v sinful_a and_o unwarrantable_a still_o notwithstanding_o any_o human_a law_n concern_v it_o if_o so_o than_o this_o be_v no_o certain_a rule_n that_o a_o man_n may_v safe_o take_v all_o that_o the_o law_n will_v permit_v he_o to_o take_v yea_o dr._n ames_n himself_o who_o hold_v usury_n lawful_a to_o which_o purpose_n you_o have_v quote_v he_o in_o divers_a place_n yet_o among_o his_o caution_n lay_v down_o this_o that_o it_o be_v the_o safe_a course_n for_o he_o that_o put_v out_o his_o money_n not_o to_o require_v all_o that_o he_o may_v by_o law_n but_o to_o keep_v within_o that_o which_o the_o law_n permit_v and_o bp_o taylor_n who_o authority_n you_o have_v make_v use_n of_o as_o a_o favourer_n of_o your_o cause_n in_o his_o ductor_n dubitantium_fw-la lib._n 3._o cap._n 3._o pag._n 571._o on_o quest_n 5._o whether_o be_v to_o be_v obey_v the_o prince_n or_o the_o bishop_n if_o they_o happen_v to_o command_v contrary_a thing_n say_v the_o latter_a be_v to_o be_v obey_v in_o case_n what_o the_o civil_a law_n enact_v be_v only_o a_o permission_n and_o not_o a_o sanction_n and_o command_n as_o where_o the_o ecclesiastical_a law_n forbid_v marriage_n in_o a_o certain_a degree_n and_o the_o civil_a power_n permit_v it_o than_o the_o subject_n may_v more_o safe_o obey_v the_o power_n ecclesiastical_a for_o the_o civil_a power_n do_v not_o command_v to_o marry_v in_o a_o certain_a degree_n so_o it_o be_v in_o such_o thing_n which_o be_v permit_v for_o the_o hardness_n of_o man_n heart_n or_o the_o public_a necessity_n the_o permission_n of_o the_o prince_n be_v no_o absolution_n from_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n suppose_v usury_n to_o be_v unlawful_a as_o it_o be_v certain_a many_o kind_n and_o instance_n of_o it_o be_v high_o criminal_a yet_o the_o civil_a law_n permit_v it_o and_o the_o church_n forbid_v it_o in_o this_o case_n the_o canon_n be_v to_o be_v prefer_v for_o though_o it_o be_v permit_v yet_o by_o the_o law_n no_o man_n be_v compel_v to_o be_v a_o usurer_n and_o therefore_o man_n must_v pay_v that_o reverence_n and_o obedience_n which_o be_v otherwise_o due_a to_o they_o that_o have_v the_o rule_n over_o they_o in_o the_o conduct_n of_o their_o soul_n and_o whereas_o you_o plead_v pag._n 103._o that_o you_o can_v be_v persuade_v that_o man_n may_v take_v so_o much_o upon_o they_o as_o to_o tolerate_v or_o permit_v that_o which_o be_v in_o itself_o unlawful_a since_o it_o will_v be_v a_o virtual_a dispensation_n for_o the_o breach_n of_o a_o divine_a law_n i_o shall_v not_o presume_v to_o offer_v my_o thought_n in_o the_o case_n whether_o they_o do_v well_o or_o no_o in_o tolerate_v it_o be_v not_o that_o which_o i_o take_v to_o be_v the_o question_n we_o be_v principal_o concern_v to_o inquire_v after_o but_o whether_o we_o shall_v do_v well_o in_o practise_v it_o however_o i_o shall_v give_v you_o the_o opinion_n of_o this_o same_o great_a and_o eminent_a casuist_n in_o the_o same_o book_n pag._n 285._o the_o commonwealth_n may_v promise_v not_o to_o punish_v usury_n though_o of_o itself_o it_o be_v uncharitable_a and_o consequent_o
and_o so_o do_v other_o as_o well_o as_o he_o though_o you_o like_v not_o the_o distinction_n certain_o a_o man_n can_v take_v little_a encouragement_n to_o practice_v usury_n from_o any_o thing_n that_o calvin_n have_v write_v yea_o if_o i_o have_v never_o read_v any_o other_o person_n on_o this_o subject_a i_o shall_v resolve_v rather_o to_o have_v nothing_o to_o do_v with_o it_o they_o who_o flee_v or_o be_v banish_v in_o time_n of_o persecution_n carry_v stock_n of_o money_n with_o they_o and_o want_v skill_n to_o employ_v it_o in_o strange_a place_n do_v put_v it_o into_o the_o hand_n of_o other_o to_o trade_n with_o it_o who_o give_v they_o some_o allowance_n for_o the_o use_v of_o their_o money_n this_o be_v a_o case_n somewhat_o extraordinary_a and_o it_o be_v partly_o with_o a_o respect_n to_o those_o man_n that_o some_o eminent_a divine_n write_v so_o favourable_o of_o usury_n qualify_v with_o such_o and_o such_o limitation_n as_o they_o have_v lay_v down_o and_o so_o do_v calvin_n though_o he_o say_v it_o be_v to_o be_v wish_v that_o all_o usury_n yea_o the_o very_a name_n of_o it_o be_v banish_v out_o of_o the_o world_n and_o that_o he_o desire_v nothing_o more_o than_o never_o to_o have_v any_o further_a occasion_n offer_v he_o to_o meddle_v with_o that_o subject_a which_o i_o shall_v give_v you_o in_o his_o own_o word_n optandum_fw-la quidem_fw-la esset_fw-la omnes_fw-la vsuras_fw-la ipsumque_fw-la adeò_fw-la nomen_fw-la è_fw-la mundo_fw-la jampridem_fw-la exulâsse_fw-la ut_fw-la nihil_fw-la magis_fw-la exoptem_fw-la quà m_fw-la ut_fw-la mihi_fw-la necessitas_fw-la non_fw-la sit_fw-la argumentum_fw-la istud_fw-la deinceps_fw-la attingere_fw-la and_o in_o his_o harmony_n upon_o the_o pentateuch_n certè_fw-la minimè_fw-la videtur_fw-la licitum_fw-la filiis_fw-la dei_fw-la quod_fw-la prophaâ—i_fw-la quoque_fw-la homines_fw-la detestati_fw-la siâ—nt_fw-la simus_n ubique_fw-la &_o semper_fw-la exosum_fw-la &_o infame_v fuisse_fw-la faerneratorum_fw-la nomen_fw-la and_o again_o faenus_fw-la quidem_fw-la exercere_fw-la cùm_fw-la inter_fw-la pudendos_fw-la &_o turpes_fw-la quaes4us_fw-la duxerint_fw-la prophani_fw-la scriptores_fw-la multò_fw-la minus_fw-la tolerabile_fw-la est_fw-la inter_fw-la filios_fw-la dei_fw-la and_o after_o he_o have_v speak_v in_o defence_n of_o some_o kind_n of_o usury_n qualify_v according_a to_o his_o rule_n and_o restriction_n he_o add_v these_o word_n noto_n quidem_fw-la meo_fw-la patrocinio_fw-la vsuras_fw-la fovere_fw-la atque_fw-la utinam_fw-la nomen_fw-la ipsum_fw-la abolitum_fw-la esset_fw-la è_fw-la mundo_fw-la and_o in_o another_o place_n after_o he_o have_v discourse_v on_o this_o subject_a he_o conclude_v thus_o sed_fw-la tenendum_fw-la semper_fw-la est_fw-la vix_fw-la fieri_fw-la posse_fw-la ut_fw-la qui_fw-la faenus_fw-la accipit_fw-la non_fw-la gravet_fw-la fratrem_fw-la suum_fw-la &_o ideò_fw-la optandum_fw-la est_fw-la nomen_fw-la ipsum_fw-la tam_fw-la faenoris_fw-la quà m_fw-la usurae_fw-la sepultum_fw-la esse_fw-la &_o deletum_fw-la ex_fw-la hominum_fw-la memoriâ_fw-la dr._n hammond_n you_o have_v frequent_o quote_v and_o particular_o his_o practical_a catechism_n and_o yet_o he_o there_o say_v that_o the_o business_n of_o usury_n be_v not_o so_o clear_o state_v in_o the_o new_a testament_n or_o in_o the_o old_a as_o that_o he_o can_v set_v strict_a and_o certain_a law_n to_o a_o man_n action_n from_o thence_o he_o do_v indeed_o rather_o incline_v to_o think_v it_o lawful_a with_o this_o caution_n among_o other_o that_o he_o who_o lend_v be_v as_o far_o as_o moral_o he_o can_v be_v sure_a that_o he_o who_o pay_v he_o this_o use_n be_v able_a to_o do_v it_o without_o eat_v out_o or_o hurt_v himself_o but_o that_o he_o make_v great_a gain_n of_o it_o himself_o and_o if_o either_o by_o mis-adventure_n or_o by_o his_o own_o neglect_v it_o be_v otherwise_o it_o be_v the_o safe_a course_n to_o forbear_v the_o interest_n and_o that_o in_o matter_n of_o this_o nature_n it_o be_v his_o duty_n to_o take_v the_o safe_a now_o say_v he_o if_o a_o man_n think_v himself_o oblige_v so_o to_o do_v it_o will_v make_v he_o the_o more_o circumspect_a in_o examine_v the_o condition_n of_o the_o person_n of_o who_o he_o adventure_n to_o take_v use_v etc._n etc._n and_o afterward_o in_o all_o this_o say_v he_o you_o must_v not_o think_v that_o i_o be_o so_o positive_a as_o in_o other_o thing_n i_o have_v be_v etc._n etc._n and_o i_o find_v in_o the_o life_n of_o dr._n hammond_n put_v forth_o by_o the_o right_n reverend_a bishop_n of_o oxford_n this_o observe_v concern_v he_o the_o take_n of_o use_n though_o he_o judge_v it_o lawful_a yet_o never_o approve_v by_o practice_n but_o lend_v still_o gratis_o both_o to_o friend_n and_o stranger_n since_o then_o that_o dr._n hammond_n offer_v such_o a_o caution_n and_o not_o he_o only_o but_o calvin_n too_o who_o say_v further_o that_o the_o borrower_n gain_n must_v be_v so_o much_o more_o at_o the_o least_o as_o the_o interest_n he_o pay_v together_o with_o other_o qualification_n lay_v down_o by_o they_o and_o divers_a other_o and_o particular_o that_o of_o zanchy_a and_o and_z bucer_n who_o hold_v that_o the_o lender_n ought_v to_o share_n in_o the_o loss_n of_o the_o principal_a if_o it_o do_v happen_v to_o miscarry_v in_o the_o borrower_n hand_n viz._n that_o this_o must_v be_v their_o private_a purpose_n and_o intent_n though_o it_o be_v not_o express_v and_o that_o forementioned_a one_o of_o ames_n not_o to_o require_v all_o that_o a_o man_n may_v by_o law_n but_o to_o keep_v within_o that_o which_o the_o law_n permit_v let_v it_o be_v consider_v whether_o a_o man_n have_v not_o as_o good_a never_o meddle_v with_o it_o at_o all_o as_o adventure_v upon_o that_o which_o the_o principal_a of_o those_o who_o have_v write_v in_o defence_n of_o it_o prescribe_v not_o only_o these_o abovementioned_a but_o divers_a other_o limitation_n and_o caution_n about_o wherewith_o they_o apprehend_v it_o needful_a to_o qualify_v and_o tempe'_v it_o to_o make_v it_o passable_a and_o it_o may_v not_o be_v amiss_o to_o consider_v further_o whether_o such_o as_o plead_v these_o man_n authority_n do_v observe_v the_o caution_n which_o be_v prescribe_v by_o they_o to_o all_o this_o i_o shall_v add_v these_o word_n of_o bishop_n hall_n in_o his_o practical_a case_n of_o conscience_n all_o usury_n which_o be_v a_o absolute_a contract_n for_o the_o mere_a loan_n of_o money_n be_v unlawful_a both_o by_o law_n natural_a and_o positive_a both_o divine_a and_o humane_a and_o grotius_n himself_o who_o you_o have_v quote_v often_o of_o any_o other_o author_n in_o the_o begin_n of_o his_o discourse_n about_o it_o make_v this_o profession_n hâc_fw-la de_fw-la re_fw-la acturus_fw-la illud_fw-la primùm_fw-la praefabor_fw-la probare_fw-la i_o eorum_fw-la pietatem_fw-la qui_fw-la totum_fw-la hoc_fw-la luerandi_fw-la genus_fw-la sublatum_fw-la vellent_fw-la è_fw-la rebus_fw-la humanis_fw-la quando_fw-la multa_fw-la 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it_o do_v happen_v so_o indeed_o but_o i_o can_v see_v little_a reason_n for_o it_o that_o they_o who_o write_v for_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o usury_n be_v count_v the_o great_a friend_n to_o the_o trade_a part_n of_o the_o nation_n and_o this_o be_v one_o great_a hinge_v you_o lay_v your_o discourse_n upon_o as_o if_o usury_n be_v the_o very_a pillar_n and_o basis_n of_o trade_n without_o which_o it_o will_v fall_v to_o the_o ground_n do_v not_o the_o roman_n flourish_v hundred_o of_o year_n before_o usury_n be_v practise_v among_o they_o as_o one_o observe_v and_o the_o jew_n do_v flourish_v in_o wealth_n none_o more_o without_o any_o toleration_n of_o usury_n tradesman_n have_v be_v so_o far_o concern_v this_o way_n that_o they_o do_v not_o general_o desire_v to_o hear_v any_o thing_n speak_v against_o it_o they_o have_v receive_v considerable_a increase_n by_o this_o way_n of_o deal_v and_o this_o darling_n notion_n of_o the_o necessity_n of_o it_o to_o trade_n be_v that_o they_o be_v willing_a to_o take_v some_o satisfaction_n from_o though_o there_o be_v some_o tradesman_n on_o the_o other_o hand_n have_v better_a